Van Hollen in El Salvador

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Anonymous wrote:Let's just cut through all the bullshit about whether or not he was illegal (he wasn't, and was under an order of protection).

Not illegal? He is not a citizen. He is not a permanent legal resident. What visa did he have that let him stay in the US?
The order of protection did not make him legal.

A person can have no legal status in the US and still have legal rights to due process of the law. This isn't that difficult of a concept for people to understand.

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This whole thing is about due process. He was sent to a prison in El Salvador without being given due process. He needs to return here so that he can go through the due process. The Supreme Court voted 9-0 that he needs to be returned for God's sake. Do you think that the SCOTUS does not understand the laws of this country? Every single one of them voted the same way. Let that sink in.

People can make all kinds of conjectures about his gang membership or whatever, but the fact remains that he was ILLEGALLY sent to El Salvador. He was not "deported". He was merely sent there based on no evidence. This is ILLEGAL. It is FAR more important to hold our government to account than any details of this case. If we let our government do this, we are looking at a government that can do whatever it wants with people. No day in court folks. You are just sent into a black hole somewhere.


Ok. Then they should correct the paperwork errors that made this illegal and send his no good, violent, ugly, gangster self back to the country where he is an actual citizen.


Have you ever stopped to think about *why* Trump is refusing to bring him back to follow proper procedure/fix the paperwork??
snafu.

Yes. I am aware it is because the sovereign government of El Salvador said no. What do you want, Trump to invade them and kidnap Kilmar?


And so the next time Trump ignores the Supreme court, that will be ok? And when a future Dem leader does, that will be ok?

(note that MAGAs were up in arms over Biden possibly ignoring the Supreme court on student loans but he did adapt approach within existing law so do not even try and say Biden did, as he did not)


Explain to me how you propose that Trump get Kilmar back from a sovereign nation who is refusing to comply, given that he's a citizen. We cant even get US citizens back from Hamas or Russia.

Spitball some solutions. Should we trade Justin Bieber for him? Pay for his release? And to what end? To reprocess his deportation?


I think someone from the administration should make a call to someone in the El Salvador government and say “we made a mistake can we have him back.” Bring him back, then process his deportation properly dotting all the i’s and crossing all the t’s, then send him packing. That is what a rule of law abiding administration would do. Everybody wins that say. We follow the rules and also rid ourselves of a wife beating gang member.
Sure. But right now there is a bigger fight going on of the executive branch is protecting its powers, against encroachment by the judiciary. Courts should not be dictating foreign policy to the President.

This is about following the Supreme Court decision (the highest law in the land is the SC, not the president btw) in regard to judicial due process for an individual. It has zero to do with "foreign policy".

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Anonymous wrote:Let's just cut through all the bullshit about whether or not he was illegal (he wasn't, and was under an order of protection). Anyone in this country is afforded due process. Period.

That is what this is all about. If the Trump administration has proof that he is a member of MS-13 or any other gang, let them produce that evidence in a court of law. They won't do that though, because at this point they know they have nothing that would stand up in court and they'd have egg all over their faces. Bringing him back and putting him through his legally guaranteed day in court would undermine their increasingly shrill narrative.

It was already presented and determined in immigration court. The judge determined he is verified MS 13

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Anonymous wrote:Let's just cut through all the bullshit about whether or not he was illegal (he wasn't, and was under an order of protection). Anyone in this country is afforded due process. Period.

That is what this is all about. If the Trump administration has proof that he is a member of MS-13 or any other gang, let them produce that evidence in a court of law. They won't do that though, because at this point they know they have nothing that would stand up in court and they'd have egg all over their faces. Bringing him back and putting him through his legally guaranteed day in court would undermine their increasingly shrill narrative.

It was already presented and determined in immigration court. The judge determined he is verified MS 13

Great. Then they can introduce the same evidence if and when Abrega Garcia gets his day in court.

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Anonymous wrote:As a former Marylander, Van Hollen is way off base here. MS-13 is inside the schools, girls are being kidnapped and trafficked, rival teens are being lured into the woods and stabbed to death. A poor kid was murdered at Lake Forest mall for the crime of wearing a shirt the wrong color. This gang has gutted the once thriving communities of Montgomery Village, Germantown, and much of Gaithersburg. Who exactly is Van Hollen appealing to or protecting? The vast majority of the victims of MS-13 are Hispanic teens. This isn't a white vs POC thing. This is a criminal vs peaceful person thing. He needs to get a clue and talk to Maryland parents who've had pieces of their children returned to them in bags.

A girl's body was found along the C&O Canal in the vicinity of Chain Bridge a few years ago. She was Hispanic. Her body had been cut up into pieces. A young man was also found murdered and dismembered along the C&O Canal a few years ago. Law enforcement found MS-13 insignia in the woods close to where this young man's body was found. Any reasonable person with their head screwed on straight understands the animals who committed these crimes do not belong in our communities.

MS-13 is a murderous gang known for drug dealing and human trafficking. The manner in which the two above young people were murdered indicates at the very least extreme psychopathy. They are a public menace.

I am not happy with a lot of Trump's actions, but deporting brutal gang members should not disturb anyone.

Person dominating thread with a hundred silly arguments is likely an MS-13 member tasked with defending this man.

DP. For the 100th time (excuse the shouting), NO ONE IS AGAINST DEPORTING ACTUAL GANG MEMBERS!

Uhh, yes I'm 100% against deporting actual gang members without due process to a country that will imprison them in cruel and unusual conditions for life, also without any due process.

If you're not I don't want to share a country with you.

To clarify, do you mean deporting illegal alien gang members whose membership and criminal activities in such gangs would make them ineligible to stay in the U.S.?

It's called common sense. Of course criminal gang members who don't have legal status in the US should be deported but there has to be a legal due process followed so that we don't wind up deporting people in a swift manner and then days later saying "oops, that was a clerical error". No American is against deporting people on our soil with no legal status who have committed crimes. Common sense.

This doesn’t pass the common sense test. You are suggesting that if 100,000 military age males from Russia flew from Ukraine to Cuba and then individually crossed into the USA at the same time then each and every single one of them must be given Due Process (which can take years, if the feds choose to diligently pursue it, if at all) to make sure not one single Russian is improperly removed. If that is your position, and the prevailing position of the law, don’t be surprised if support for Due Process is eroding.

The reality is that we have 20 million people in this country without legal status. Those individuals have changed communities, labor markets, congressional apportionment, and allocation of government resources. While the country has benefited from their presence in many ways, their presence has been to the detriment of many Americans. The idea that 20 million people who disregarded our national sovereignty and clearly overwhelm the government's ability to process them now are entitled to remain until a cumbersome legal process runs its course also doesn’t pass the common sense test (even if that’s what the law requires).

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Anonymous wrote:Let's just cut through all the bullshit about whether or not he was illegal (he wasn't, and was under an order of protection).

Not illegal? He is not a citizen. He is not a permanent legal resident. What visa did he have that let him stay in the US?
The order of protection did not make him legal.

A person can have no legal status in the US and still have legal rights to due process of the law. This isn't that difficult of a concept for people to understand.

They DGAF about the law unless it applies to people they approve of

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The only people who are not legally required to have due process are foreign soldiers fighting a war on US soil. We are not at war. He is not a foreign soldier.

Hope the next President imprisons MAGA for domestic terrorism.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's just cut through all the bullshit about whether or not he was illegal (he wasn't, and was under an order of protection).

Not illegal? He is not a citizen. He is not a permanent legal resident. What visa did he have that let him stay in the US?
The order of protection did not make him legal.

A person can have no legal status in the US and still have legal rights to due process of the law. This isn't that difficult of a concept for people to understand.

The person said he was not illegal. He was and is.
And he got due process.

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Anonymous wrote:Zoom in on that picture of him standing with Van Hollen. Is that a MS13 tattooed on his fingers?

A clearer picture shows Marijuana Smile cross and skull.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's just cut through all the bullshit about whether or not he was illegal (he wasn't, and was under an order of protection). Anyone in this country is afforded due process. Period.

That is what this is all about. If the Trump administration has proof that he is a member of MS-13 or any other gang, let them produce that evidence in a court of law. They won't do that though, because at this point they know they have nothing that would stand up in court and they'd have egg all over their faces. Bringing him back and putting him through his legally guaranteed day in court would undermine their increasingly shrill narrative.

It was already presented and determined in immigration court. The judge determined he is verified MS 13

Great. Then they can introduce the same evidence if and when Abrega Garcia gets his day in court.

That was court

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Anonymous wrote:Let's just cut through all the bullshit about whether or not he was illegal (he wasn't, and was under an order of protection).

Not illegal? He is not a citizen. He is not a permanent legal resident. What visa did he have that let him stay in the US?
The order of protection did not make him legal.

A person can have no legal status in the US and still have legal rights to due process of the law. This isn't that difficult of a concept for people to understand.

The person said he was not illegal. He was and is.
And he got due process.

Oh, did the due process happen before or after the "clerical" error that caused him to be deported?

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Anonymous wrote:Let's just cut through all the bullshit about whether or not he was illegal (he wasn't, and was under an order of protection).

Not illegal? He is not a citizen. He is not a permanent legal resident. What visa did he have that let him stay in the US?
The order of protection did not make him legal.

A person can have no legal status in the US and still have legal rights to due process of the law. This isn't that difficult of a concept for people to understand.

The person said he was not illegal. He was and is.
And he got due process.

Oh, did the due process happen before or after the "clerical" error that caused him to be deported?

Before.

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Anonymous wrote:As a former Marylander, Van Hollen is way off base here. MS-13 is inside the schools, girls are being kidnapped and trafficked, rival teens are being lured into the woods and stabbed to death. A poor kid was murdered at Lake Forest mall for the crime of wearing a shirt the wrong color. This gang has gutted the once thriving communities of Montgomery Village, Germantown, and much of Gaithersburg. Who exactly is Van Hollen appealing to or protecting? The vast majority of the victims of MS-13 are Hispanic teens. This isn't a white vs POC thing. This is a criminal vs peaceful person thing. He needs to get a clue and talk to Maryland parents who've had pieces of their children returned to them in bags.

A girl's body was found along the C&O Canal in the vicinity of Chain Bridge a few years ago. She was Hispanic. Her body had been cut up into pieces. A young man was also found murdered and dismembered along the C&O Canal a few years ago. Law enforcement found MS-13 insignia in the woods close to where this young man's body was found. Any reasonable person with their head screwed on straight understands the animals who committed these crimes do not belong in our communities.

MS-13 is a murderous gang known for drug dealing and human trafficking. The manner in which the two above young people were murdered indicates at the very least extreme psychopathy. They are a public menace.

I am not happy with a lot of Trump's actions, but deporting brutal gang members should not disturb anyone.

Person dominating thread with a hundred silly arguments is likely an MS-13 member tasked with defending this man.

DP. For the 100th time (excuse the shouting), NO ONE IS AGAINST DEPORTING ACTUAL GANG MEMBERS!

Uhh, yes I'm 100% against deporting actual gang members without due process to a country that will imprison them in cruel and unusual conditions for life, also without any due process.

If you're not I don't want to share a country with you.

To clarify, do you mean deporting illegal alien gang members whose membership and criminal activities in such gangs would make them ineligible to stay in the U.S.?

It's called common sense. Of course criminal gang members who don't have legal status in the US should be deported but there has to be a legal due process followed so that we don't wind up deporting people in a swift manner and then days later saying "oops, that was a clerical error". No American is against deporting people on our soil with no legal status who have committed crimes. Common sense.

This doesn’t pass the common sense test. You are suggesting that if 100,000 military age males from Russia flew from Ukraine to Cuba and then individually crossed into the USA at the same time then each and every single one of them must be given Due Process (which can take years, if the feds choose to diligently pursue it, if at all) to make sure not one single Russian is improperly removed. If that is your position, and the prevailing position of the law, don’t be surprised if support for Due Process is eroding.

The reality is that we have 20 million people in this country without legal status. Those individuals have changed communities, labor markets, congressional apportionment, and allocation of government resources. While the country has benefited from their presence in many ways, their presence has been to the detriment of many Americans. The idea that 20 million people who disregarded our national sovereignty and clearly overwhelm the government's ability to process them now are entitled to remain until a cumbersome legal process runs its course also doesn’t pass the common sense test (even if that’s what the law requires).

you are interrupting the circle jerk going on here. stop it. most of DCUM are entitled elites. They are upset their gravy train of desperate cheap landscapers are being depleted. how will they ever get their grass cut?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's just cut through all the bullshit about whether or not he was illegal (he wasn't, and was under an order of protection).

Not illegal? He is not a citizen. He is not a permanent legal resident. What visa did he have that let him stay in the US?
The order of protection did not make him legal.

A person can have no legal status in the US and still have legal rights to due process of the law. This isn't that difficult of a concept for people to understand.

In other words, enter illegally and quickly. Get lost in the systrm. In some cases, give birth to kids. Sometimes commit crimes while in this country. Then the slow due process begins. We get it.

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Anonymous wrote:As a former Marylander, Van Hollen is way off base here. MS-13 is inside the schools, girls are being kidnapped and trafficked, rival teens are being lured into the woods and stabbed to death. A poor kid was murdered at Lake Forest mall for the crime of wearing a shirt the wrong color. This gang has gutted the once thriving communities of Montgomery Village, Germantown, and much of Gaithersburg. Who exactly is Van Hollen appealing to or protecting? The vast majority of the victims of MS-13 are Hispanic teens. This isn't a white vs POC thing. This is a criminal vs peaceful person thing. He needs to get a clue and talk to Maryland parents who've had pieces of their children returned to them in bags.

A girl's body was found along the C&O Canal in the vicinity of Chain Bridge a few years ago. She was Hispanic. Her body had been cut up into pieces. A young man was also found murdered and dismembered along the C&O Canal a few years ago. Law enforcement found MS-13 insignia in the woods close to where this young man's body was found. Any reasonable person with their head screwed on straight understands the animals who committed these crimes do not belong in our communities.

MS-13 is a murderous gang known for drug dealing and human trafficking. The manner in which the two above young people were murdered indicates at the very least extreme psychopathy. They are a public menace.

I am not happy with a lot of Trump's actions, but deporting brutal gang members should not disturb anyone.

Person dominating thread with a hundred silly arguments is likely an MS-13 member tasked with defending this man.

DP. For the 100th time (excuse the shouting), NO ONE IS AGAINST DEPORTING ACTUAL GANG MEMBERS!

Uhh, yes I'm 100% against deporting actual gang members without due process to a country that will imprison them in cruel and unusual conditions for life, also without any due process.

If you're not I don't want to share a country with you.

To clarify, do you mean deporting illegal alien gang members whose membership and criminal activities in such gangs would make them ineligible to stay in the U.S.?

It's called common sense. Of course criminal gang members who don't have legal status in the US should be deported but there has to be a legal due process followed so that we don't wind up deporting people in a swift manner and then days later saying "oops, that was a clerical error". No American is against deporting people on our soil with no legal status who have committed crimes. Common sense.

This doesn’t pass the common sense test. You are suggesting that if 100,000 military age males from Russia flew from Ukraine to Cuba and then individually crossed into the USA at the same time then each and every single one of them must be given Due Process (which can take years, if the feds choose to diligently pursue it, if at all) to make sure not one single Russian is improperly removed. If that is your position, and the prevailing position of the law, don’t be surprised if support for Due Process is eroding.

The reality is that we have 20 million people in this country without legal status. Those individuals have changed communities, labor markets, congressional apportionment, and allocation of government resources. While the country has benefited from their presence in many ways, their presence has been to the detriment of many Americans. The idea that 20 million people who disregarded our national sovereignty and clearly overwhelm the government's ability to process them now are entitled to remain until a cumbersome legal process runs its course also doesn’t pass the common sense test (even if that’s what the law requires).

you are interrupting the circle jerk going on here. stop it. most of DCUM are entitled elites. They are upset their gravy train of desperate cheap landscapers are being depleted. how will they ever get their grass cut?

You guys are crazy the Reagan judge literally said that this is dangerous because without due process there is no assurance that US citizens won’t be deported.