US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:So now we have one essay topic for all the URMs.

Harship from the racism LMFAO

AOs will get sick and tired of reading about it LMAO

It’s really sad. Kids shouldn’t have to expose their pain in an essay.

That is what the essay is for. To help the AOs get to "know" your kid and what they can bring to the school.....HOLISTIC!!

But not exposing pain. Just one sentence in one essay is enough "The reason I made a A- in that one class is because my parents let me be a well rounded kid and allowed me to play team sports, hang out some weekends, go to movies, etc... instead of studying all the time under extreme academic pressure like my Asian friends (who told me what their parents say about people of my race)."

LOL. There's nothing wrong with wanting your children to be well-rounded, but you can't have it all. Don't train them to take it easy on weekends while also giving them the expectation of getting into top universities because there's lots of kids out there working hard 24/7. There's a reason top startups and finance firms hire from top schools: the hours are grueling and not everyone can handle it. There are plenty of good schools and jobs for kids who don't want to be "on" all the time, but don't think "Why can't my child get into Harvard or Duke because I let them have a life."

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Anonymous wrote:I would like to see a focus on outcomes from schools - I mean without race now and these same stupid schools find SAT scores racist and some are even implying grades are racist and chatgpt is writing all the essays now - what exactly are schools evaluating on? Might as well put everyone’s name in the powerball popper and admit that way. Or we could take Europes approach of exam scores to determine merit and readiness (gasp! The horror!) and leave all the social engineering out of it. This ruling came too late for my kid but I’m glad it came nonetheless.

Ah, yes, the vast superiority of all these European universities that are fueling such economic innovation and growth.

Well that is why I’d like to see outcomes since the social engineering wave at these “elite”’schools - frankly I think the quality of their results are down. And yes there are quite a few elite European schools and it’s pretty hard to argue that grades and test scores are not the most important factor to being able to do the work. Ask MIT - or perhaps you are smarter than them as well.

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Anonymous wrote:On a serious note, can we do fingerprinting for the SAT and all standardized tests? Can we work more on improving the validity of grades?

What does the SAT prove exactly? That a child can take a test, many times prepping for it. Do prepped SAT scores prove anything?

Probably need a separate thread but I think the SAT is valuable assessment of fundamental logic and reasoning skills.

Oh does it?

According to MIT

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Anonymous wrote:On a serious note, can we do fingerprinting for the SAT and all standardized tests? Can we work more on improving the validity of grades?

What does the SAT prove exactly? That a child can take a test, many times prepping for it. Do prepped SAT scores prove anything?

My question was about the cheating that goes on.

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Asian Americans are not "them", they are "us", they are Americans just like white and black Americans. race-conscious politics in US are tearing us apart. Everyone becomes so race sensitive that it becomes our first identity. It doesn't have to be. And it's insulting to assume that universities will be predominantly Asians and whites if they don't use race as a factor.

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Essays will become the adversity Olympics.

The suburban well off kids will start play acting as to how harmed they are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have such complicated feelings about this, on one hand I am an Asian (Indian) and in 4-5 years my kids will be entering the ringer of college admissions and sure, we want to get to the best place they can get to according to their abilities. However, being an Asian I am aware that they face greater odds compared to others and that makes me somewhat anxious.

OTOH, Blacks have suffered tremendous trauma in this country, generations of blacks have been exploited and their psychology has been deeply affected by constantly treating them as less than. They do need a leg up, some sort of support to give them a shot at a prosperous life, a way to get into upper ranks of society. We all have our struggles but it is extremely hard to overcome trauma that is left by society treating you as not equal.

I still hope that colleges find a way to accommodate bright black kids from underprivileged backgrounds. I do not support prioritizing black kids from affluent backgrounds.

The fact is that a substantial proportion of the Black students admitted at elite universities are the children of wealthy, well-educated African immigrants--the kids of Ghanaian and Nigerian engineers and doctors. They have not suffered generations of racism in America. If AA is intended to address the legacy of slavery in the US, then the policy should explicitly and exclusively target the descendants of enslaved people in the US.

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The QWEEN has spoken.

From Vice President of the United States, Kamala Harris:

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The QWEEN has spoken.

From Vice President of the United States, Kamala Harris:

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would like to see a focus on outcomes from schools - I mean without race now and these same stupid schools find SAT scores racist and some are even implying grades are racist and chatgpt is writing all the essays now - what exactly are schools evaluating on? Might as well put everyone’s name in the powerball popper and admit that way. Or we could take Europes approach of exam scores to determine merit and readiness (gasp! The horror!) and leave all the social engineering out of it. This ruling came too late for my kid but I’m glad it came nonetheless.

Ah, yes, the vast superiority of all these European universities that are fueling such economic innovation and growth.

Well that is why I’d like to see outcomes since the social engineering wave at these “elite”’schools - frankly I think the quality of their results are down. And yes there are quite a few elite European schools and it’s pretty hard to argue that grades and test scores are not the most important factor to being able to do the work. Ask MIT - or perhaps you are smarter than them as well.

I went to MIT. If all colleges and universities were like MIT, it would be a little sad. MIT is a specialized institution. Many people there are talented but also one dimensional.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On a serious note, can we do fingerprinting for the SAT and all standardized tests? Can we work more on improving the validity of grades?

What does the SAT prove exactly? That a child can take a test, many times prepping for it. Do prepped SAT scores prove anything?

My question was about the cheating that goes on.

Agree, the cheating needs to stop obviously, perhaps have facial recognition. I don’t think that any test which is designed to assesses raw critical thinking skills or analysis should have prep courses or tutors. It’s not a true assessment then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So now we have one essay topic for all the URMs.

Harship from the racism LMFAO

AOs will get sick and tired of reading about it LMAO

It’s really sad. Kids shouldn’t have to expose their pain in an essay.

That is what the essay is for. To help the AOs get to "know" your kid and what they can bring to the school.....HOLISTIC!!

But not exposing pain. Just one sentence in one essay is enough "The reason I made a A- in that one class is because my parents let me be a well rounded kid and allowed me to play team sports, hang out some weekends, go to movies, etc... instead of studying all the time under extreme academic pressure like my Asian friends (who told me what their parents say about people of my race)."

LOL. There's nothing wrong with wanting your children to be well-rounded, but you can't have it all. Don't train them to take it easy on weekends while also giving them the expectation of getting into top universities because there's lots of kids out there working hard 24/7. There's a reason top startups and finance firms hire from top schools: the hours are grueling and not everyone can handle it. There are plenty of good schools and jobs for kids who don't want to be "on" all the time, but don't think "Why can't my child get into Harvard or Duke because I let them have a life."

+1 well said

[Anonymous]

UNC has spoken:

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have such complicated feelings about this, on one hand I am an Asian (Indian) and in 4-5 years my kids will be entering the ringer of college admissions and sure, we want to get to the best place they can get to according to their abilities. However, being an Asian I am aware that they face greater odds compared to others and that makes me somewhat anxious.

OTOH, Blacks have suffered tremendous trauma in this country, generations of blacks have been exploited and their psychology has been deeply affected by constantly treating them as less than. They do need a leg up, some sort of support to give them a shot at a prosperous life, a way to get into upper ranks of society. We all have our struggles but it is extremely hard to overcome trauma that is left by society treating you as not equal.

I still hope that colleges find a way to accommodate bright black kids from underprivileged backgrounds. I do not support prioritizing black kids from affluent backgrounds.

The fact is that a substantial proportion of the Black students admitted at elite universities are the children of wealthy, well-educated African immigrants--the kids of Ghanaian and Nigerian engineers and doctors. They have not suffered generations of racism in America. If AA is intended to address the legacy of slavery in the US, then the policy should explicitly and exclusively target the descendants of enslaved people in the US.

DP. Diversity and affirmative action may have a lot of overlap, but they are not the same goal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Essays will become the adversity Olympics.

The suburban well off kids will start play acting as to how harmed they are.

Yup - white AND Asian.