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Most probably won't. just like when Trump got the Covid vaccine, and many conservatives did not. Conservatives don't generally do things just because a politician does it. They think for themselves. |
You could do a ton for the environment by shutting down EV production and starting up Honda Fit production instead. |
lol talk about clueless.
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Interestingly the price of EV batteries has fallen by 30% this year and is projecting to fall another 40% next year. After 2026 they are projecting an 11% reduction each year to 2035. This is a result of mass manufacturing, improving technology, increase in energy density and reduction of raw material costs.
These same gains are increasing the standard range of EVs to 325-350 miles per charge for most of the 2025’s. The higher end models are pushing 400-450 per charge and some projecting 725 by 2026-27. The reduction in the price of batteries means EVs without subsidies will be priced the same as gas powered cars by next year. US car makers have really only pushed high end EVs. With the drop in battery prices they are gearing up to enter the low to mid market with EVs. Look for EV selling at $22-35k soon. |
*Snort* As if most of them just independently reach the same conclusions about religion as their parents happen to have. Totally independent thinkers! |
In theory this will allow smaller, lighter, cheaper electric cars. But they will still be missing one key thing, and that is replaceable batteries. If a user can't replace a battery for a reasonable cost at the 15ish year mark, then EVs may never net out environmentally. Automakers of course will fight any attempt to make standardized or replaceable batteries, just as they fight "right to repair." |
There have been NO comparable technology advances in internal combustion engines in the last 50 years. |
Democrats passed various Right to Repair laws in New York, Colorado, Minnesota and Biden directed FTC to pursue Right to Repair but as always it's Republicans funded by industry lobbyists who stand in the way. https://www.newsweek.com/life-liberty-right-repair-1820914 |
| The electric vehicle market is increasing each quarter. Tesla sales are declining because Elon Musk is a real a-hole. Imagine running a car company that sells cars mostly purchased by liberals (electric vehicles) and then acting like he does. Folks I know that were interested in a Tesla as their next car a couple years ago (including me) have already changed their plans and are buying a new electric from another company. |
| My aversion to EVs is I think we should be focused on using cars less and making our world friendly to pedestrian traffic and better public transit. EVs just feel like we're kicking the can down the road instead of solving the actual problem. It feels like everyone forgets the first part of reduce, reuse, recycle is to reduce. Less car usage should be the goal. |
This! EVs are mostly an attempt to perpetuate a broken model, rather than embrace solutions that are actually good for people, the environment and cities in general. |
Again EV batteries last 14-20 years and have 8-10 year warranty. Gas power cars have a 5 year warranty and have an expected lifetime of 12-14 years. Replacing a gas engine is very expensive and usually totals a car over 10 years old. You are more likely to have to replace your engine vs EV battery. Gas powered car are more expensive to own because they require more maintenance, replacement parts and fuel cost. As for “netting out environmental” EVs already do. You just ignore the facts. Each step in the life cycle of EVs from raw materials extraction, refining materials, manufacturing and using the electric grid vs gasoline is significantly better for the environment vs gas powered cars. Those are facts unlike your uninformed opinion. Instead of getting your “facts” from Twitter or TikTok comment sections try something like this and remember EV batteries have fallen in price by 45% and increased in energy density since this report- ie making EV ownership even more inexpensive vs gas power. https://transportationenergy.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/FI_Report_Lifecycle_FINAL.pdf Figure 82 on Page 62. The figure shows cost of 10 year ownership between ICE, Hybrida, EVs with and without battery replacement costs. 10 year total cost of ownership: ICE - $81,581 HEV - $74,618 BEV - $70,457 BEV with replacement battery pack - $75,157 So even with a replacement battery this study found electric cars cheaper to own than ICE cars by $6,424 over a ten year period. Oh and old EV batteries are actually worth about $42 per kilowatt hour because they are easily recyclable. Though that number may come down because raw material prices have fallen so much. As the EV industry gears up to the level of ICE you will see costs fall dramatically. It is no longer just Tesla. |
B.S. We are EV owners and only the most expensive 2025 models get this range. The most popular sellers get in the 240-300 range, which isn't real world. Real world is only 80% of that at best. |
They were wearing sanitary napkins on their ears and depends because dear leader did. |
I think I see the problem here, you have a report about obscure European luxury cars and you think this is representative of the US. I doubt anyone reading this is interested in the TCO of the BMW I3 vs the Renault Megane. This Press Release masquerading as a "report" also has a ton of issues. First its assuming that EVs end up with the same lifetime mileage (KMs) as ICE vehicles. We know that's absolutely not true in the US, and any perusal of used car listings will show that. Further it vastly overstates the residual values of EVs. We know that in the US, EVs values drop like a rock. Once again, peruse used car listings if you doubt this. Don't make me post mid-90's Chevys again! Then this report restricts the whole study to 10 years, despite the fact that ICE vehicles can go another 5-20 years depending on the model. They probably had to do that because EVs drop dead after that point. They also assume a battery can be replaced for $5, which is completely bogus. Actual BMW I3 owners report costs of $30,000+ https://www.carscoops.com/2024/02/bmw-i3-owners-asked-to-pay-over-30k-for-battery-replacement-and-one-gets-quoted-71k/ This guy got quoted $71,000:
A 10 year old Model S (not in the study) will run you $13,000-$20,000, and that's about the cheapest you'll find in the US. |