Why do staunch republicans hate electric vehicles?

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This is how you market EVs to conservatives:

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Agree with above post. If nothing else EVs should come equipped with quality gun safes so law abiding citizens have a secure place for their weapons when they need to run into one of those sensitive places where guns are not allowed.

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EV are mostly American made cars using American made electricity.

I always point this out since so many U.S. cars are made in Mexico and Canada and run on Saudi sweet crude rather processed American oil.

I also remember in 80’s and 90’s when Republicans loved solar panels. Because it meant you could be totally independent and even live off-grid. Even former MD Congressman Bartlett had huge solar setups proudly for this reason.

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Anonymous wrote:My aversion to EVs is I think we should be focused on using cars less and making our world friendly to pedestrian traffic and better public transit. EVs just feel like we're kicking the can down the road instead of solving the actual problem. It feels like everyone forgets the first part of reduce, reuse, recycle is to reduce. Less car usage should be the goal.

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Anonymous wrote:
Interestingly the price of EV batteries has fallen by 30% this year and is projecting to fall another 40% next year. After 2026 they are projecting an 11% reduction each year to 2035. This is a result of mass manufacturing, improving technology, increase in energy density and reduction of raw material costs.

These same gains are increasing the standard range of EVs to 325-350 miles per charge for most of the 2025’s. The higher end models are pushing 400-450 per charge and some projecting 725 by 2026-27.

The reduction in the price of batteries means EVs without subsidies will be priced the same as gas powered cars by next year.

US car makers have really only pushed high end EVs. With the drop in battery prices they are gearing up to enter the low to mid market with EVs. Look for EV selling at $22-35k soon.



In theory this will allow smaller, lighter, cheaper electric cars. But they will still be missing one key thing, and that is replaceable batteries. If a user can't replace a battery for a reasonable cost at the 15ish year mark, then EVs may never net out environmentally. Automakers of course will fight any attempt to make standardized or replaceable batteries, just as they fight "right to repair."

Tesla is working on producing the cells for batteries as we speak. They are in a joint venture with Panasonic. Tesla is also engineering a car that will be cheaper than the Model 3 (which is currently their lowest priced car). So things are happening to improve the EV cars.

[Anonymous]

Tesla makes billions of dollars by selling carbon credits to other car companies. Look it up. This is because of regulations that require the car companies to reduce carbon from their cars. So when you buy an ICE car, chances are that some of what you pay is going to Elon Musk's company. Just to let you know. This will not be as much going forward if those companies start selling more EV cars. Tesla has made around 9 billion from selling these carbon credits. Tesla also sells powertrain systems and components to other car companies. Those companies are also paying to be able to use the Tesla supercharger system (and charger technology). So you may be paying Elon when you think you are not.

Just saying.

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It’s a relatively new concept, and conservatives don’t like new concepts or change. That’s one of the reasons they are called conservatives. Conservative means cautious, unchanging, traditional, orthodox, square etc. It’s a form of stupidity in a way, a mindset based in fear. Facts and reality do not help, so that creates a need for an alternate reality. That’s where things like Fox News come in.

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Anonymous wrote:
Tesla makes billions of dollars by selling carbon credits to other car companies. Look it up. This is because of regulations that require the car companies to reduce carbon from their cars. So when you buy an ICE car, chances are that some of what you pay is going to Elon Musk's company. Just to let you know. This will not be as much going forward if those companies start selling more EV cars. Tesla has made around 9 billion from selling these carbon credits. Tesla also sells powertrain systems and components to other car companies. Those companies are also paying to be able to use the Tesla supercharger system (and charger technology). So you may be paying Elon when you think you are not.

Just saying.

A gallon of gas would be $14 without subsidies from the US government. Just saying.

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Not a bad start:https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-would-consider-ending-7500-electric-vehicle-credit-2024-08-19/

One of the knocks on the credit is that automakers just target higher price points. For some reason we're subsidizing $100,000 EVs with "ludicrous speed" modes, instead small, cheap and practical EVs.

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US companies (outside of Tesla) are not able to make a profit on EVs. Not yet anyway. They can't scale up the way Tesla has.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/21/business/economy/ford-ev-plant-delay.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Ek4.6HTN.gs3zLNzJ02aE&smid=url-share

Trump wants to let Chinese companies come in. No thanks. Let's keep helping our own companies so we can compete worldwide.

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Anonymous wrote:
US companies (outside of Tesla) are not able to make a profit on EVs. Not yet anyway. They can't scale up the way Tesla has.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/21/business/economy/ford-ev-plant-delay.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Ek4.6HTN.gs3zLNzJ02aE&smid=url-share

Trump wants to let Chinese companies come in. No thanks. Let's keep helping our own companies so we can compete worldwide.

Cuba, Ethiopia and many other countries are going EV. The cost of importing gas is just so expensive and the Chinese EVs are cheap. At this point if a car manufacturer or country are not fully in on EVs they will be left behind. As posted before the next generation(2025-2027) of EVs will be the same sticker price or cheaper vs gas powered car without the subsidies but with a range of 600-700 miles on one charge. That’s about $30 per charge and they are much cheaper to run.

EVs are the only growing market segment in the car industry.

[Anonymous]

Betting against technological progress seems to be in vogue now. That’s been a terrible bet since The Industrial Revolution.

But when it comes to electric vehicles, the pessimism seems unending. Batteries will never get more energy-dense, the proliferation of electric motors will cause a permanent shortage of copper and rare earth minerals, and the planet will run out of lithium before your EV’s third lease payment.

How many papers and opinion columns have you read like that?

If you tune into the technology that’s available even right now, though, you’ll realize those columns are total bullshit. Batteries are about to take a big step, power electronics are striding ahead already, and electric motors are positively rocketing into the future.

In the case of the latter two, we’re talking about components and drive units already in cars, not some YouTube thumbnail pipe-dream. In the case of battery cells, too, the technology already exists. It’s simply on its way to being industrialized

https://www.motor1.com/features/730273/the-future-of-evs-is-already-here/

The future is now.

[Anonymous]

These solid-state cells offer far lower internal resistance than their liquid-electrolyte counterparts, which means lower heating under load. Reduced cooling requirements will simplify pack construction considerably, lowering costs. For reference, the Hummer EV’s roughly 3,000-lb battery pack is an absolute monster, but only around 1,730 pounds of it is actually the battery cells. The rest is cooling passages, electronics, and structural components.

At right around 212 kilowatt-hours, it contains a ton of energy, but if it was full of SSBs, it would be an entirely different beast. Multiple solid-state manufacturers report energy densities in the range of 390 watt-hours per kilogram. Replace the conventional lithium-ion cells in the Hummer, and you would get a 306-kWh pack. An increase in energy of nearly one-third, just by swapping cells.
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If none of the latter two technological advances are enough, electric motors themselves are simultaneously becoming lighter, smaller, and more powerful. Axial flux motors are already in low-volume production cars from McLaren, Ferrari, Koenigsegg, Mercedes-Benz, Lamborghini, and more. These are real motors capable of providing a passenger car with adequate power despite hilariously low mass. A 300-horsepower car in the near future could be powered by an electric motor that weighs less than your average watermelon. These are motors being developed right now by the industry leader, YASA.
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Once you learn just a little bit about this stuff, once you get a passing familiarity with MOSFETs, or battery cells, or electric motors, you begin to understand just how amazing the next few years will be. Our current era of EVs will look stone-aged in hindsight. When we’re all commuting in fully electric or hybrid cars featuring these amazing advancements, we’ll have learned once again, never to bet against progress.

https://www.motor1.com/features/730273/the-future-of-evs-is-already-here/

[Anonymous]

Haha, solid state batteries. Welcome to 2010.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:EV are mostly American made cars using American made electricity.

I always point this out since so many U.S. cars are made in Mexico and Canada and run on Saudi sweet crude rather processed American oil.

I also remember in 80’s and 90’s when Republicans loved solar panels. Because it meant you could be totally independent and even live off-grid. Even former MD Congressman Bartlett had huge solar setups proudly for this reason.

Didn't Reagan have solar panels removed from the White House?