Why do staunch republicans hate electric vehicles?

[Anonymous]

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We're probably talking past each other here, but one of my points is that EVs as a commuter vehicle basically shows the failure of this generation of EVs. That's simply because those EVs are doing ICE like duty cycles without ICE like longevity. This is how you get something like a 2017 Leaf with 34,000 miles on it that is practically cooked. EVs are far too resource intensive to make sense as low mileage commuters. They need to be ridden hard in something like a fleet or taxi service before their battery degrades somewhere in years 5-10.

That or we just need to admit that people like to use Ludicrous mode to dart into parking lanes and pass people at lights. We can then stop pretending EVs are green and just view them as muscle cars for dorks.


Wow you just continue with this lie. EV last 15-20 years and that includes the battery. That is longer vs ICE. So your whole arguments is bullsh#t.

You cannot compare Tesla EVs to a Leaf (especially a 2017 Leaf). The Leaf does not have air cooling for its batteries and that is why the batteries don't last. Tesla batteries are air cooled. They don't "cook".

[Anonymous]

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We're probably talking past each other here, but one of my points is that EVs as a commuter vehicle basically shows the failure of this generation of EVs. That's simply because those EVs are doing ICE like duty cycles without ICE like longevity. This is how you get something like a 2017 Leaf with 34,000 miles on it that is practically cooked. EVs are far too resource intensive to make sense as low mileage commuters. They need to be ridden hard in something like a fleet or taxi service before their battery degrades somewhere in years 5-10.

That or we just need to admit that people like to use Ludicrous mode to dart into parking lanes and pass people at lights. We can then stop pretending EVs are green and just view them as muscle cars for dorks.


Wow you just continue with this lie. EV last 15-20 years and that includes the battery. That is longer vs ICE. So your whole arguments is bullsh#t.

You cannot compare Tesla EVs to a Leaf (especially a 2017 Leaf). The Leaf does not have air cooling for its batteries and that is why the batteries don't last. Tesla batteries are air cooled. They don't "cook".

this is an example of how more manufacturing, bigger volume and more companies in the biz will make a better car. and while teslas' have issues—the owner among them—there are tesla models that accelerate faster and more violently than a ferrari. that's a better car and we should have them. if conservatives dont' want to say they're interested in EVs because they don't beleive in climate change, that's fine, but it's not political to say that gas is only getting more expensive and electric cars, when well built, can be as much or more enjoyable and useful as an ICE car.

I've never been interested in buying an EV to show my support for Democrats, it's been because I'm looking to stop wasting my money at the gas station and to drive a better car.

[Anonymous]

I will repeat my point from earlier again. Owing an EV is a lifestyle. EVs fail as rentals because very few individuals want to adopt a new lifestyle for a short time, especially when the car is supposed to be nothing more than transportation. That said, I would not be surprised if a current EV owner would love to get a great rental deal on an EV at DCA. There are chargers everywhere around here.

But, I disagree with your point that the cars can't be ICE replacements. My family recently travelled on a round trip of over 1600 miles. The car was great. Because we planned ahead, we had no problem finding chargers. The time spend charging was acceptable.

Another matter to consider is that battery longevity is dependent on care of the battery. Owners, like me, are careful about charging and follow practices aimed at extending the battery's life. Renters probably have no idea how to care for a battery and probably don't care because it's not their problem. Where EVs are working well is in car share situation. Just about anytime I stop at a public charger, there are car share drivers there. Unfortunately, they are also charging to 100% which means they hog a charger forever.

This. Being an EV owner and having taking several long distance trips in the EV, I would not be afraid to rent an EV. Why? Because I understand how to be an EV owner and am not afraid of spending 20 minutes charging while I get a coffee and go to the bathroom. I know how to plan for this. There are plenty of superchargers in most urban areas and more are coming out every day.

[Anonymous]

Thank you to the previous poster who mentioned that EV rental is so much cheaper!! I now am considering a trip where I rent an EV and save money.

[Anonymous]

Too bad most people refuse to rent an EV, even for cheap.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Too bad most people refuse to rent an EV, even for cheap.

Who cares? Just about everyone here agrees that's a logical decision and has nothing to do with the current viability of EVs.

[Anonymous]

Now that Trump likes EVs and even owns one, how will Rs react? Trump has been cozy with Elon lately as well.

Elon said he's not worried about the federal tax credit being revoked because it will be the other companies that will lose out. Tesla already makes a profit on its cars. The other manufacturers (Ford and GM) actually lose money on every EV they sell and will lose even more without the federal tax subsidy.

[Anonymous]

Nuclear power to support electricity for homes and businesses. Hydrogen powered vehicles that use batteries for cars, trucks, ships, trains and planes.

That is the future of energy for the US. Will be phased in over the next 30 to 40 years until then oil and gas will be what drives the US and the world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nuclear power to support electricity for homes and businesses. Hydrogen powered vehicles that use batteries for cars, trucks, ships, trains and planes.

That is the future of energy for the US. Will be phased in over the next 30 to 40 years until then oil and gas will be what drives the US and the world.

I share your enthusiasm but, literally speaking, nuclear is not the future. The NRC has no nuclear projects in the pipeline to be approved in the near or medium term…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nuclear power to support electricity for homes and businesses. Hydrogen powered vehicles that use batteries for cars, trucks, ships, trains and planes.

That is the future of energy for the US. Will be phased in over the next 30 to 40 years until then oil and gas will be what drives the US and the world.

Hydrogen is not the answer. In 20 year the grid is projected to be 100% green. That will mostly translate to 80% by 2044. Renewables specifically solar and wind are growing at exponential rates. Even now coal makes up 16% of the generation with natural making up 40%. Using the grid to power you car is some much less pollution vs gas powered.

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Anonymous wrote:It's literally big oil propaganda, pumped into bumpkin's heads by right wing radio, TV, podcast, social, and print media -- as well as right wing social media influencers (prostitutes for sale).

I just looked at rentals out of DCA(Hertz for the lol) for today, and the two cheapest options were EVs. You have to pay 50% more for the cheapest gas car. Why would electric rentals be so cheap at the closest airport to the city with the best educated, most EV loving population in the country? I can think of no reason but having to deal with charging.

Are you really this thick? Why would business travelers and vacationers want the headache of searching for public chargers? EVs are for people who own homes and can charge while they sleep. If you have to rely on public chargers, or you're on vacation or traveling for work, not worth the annoyance at all.

That was entirely the point. EVs are such headaches to use, that even in an area they should thrive, they are struggling. EVs should be rental fleet darlings, as they seem purpose built for high-mileage use for 1-2 years in an urban area. The fact that they fail here, and are primarily being used as commuter vehicles shows the larger problem.

That being, that in an urban area, you don't need an EV to do a "green" commute. You can walk, bike, ride the bus/train. The 5,000 pound EV ends up being used a lot like a Vespa would be except without the longevity. That's not good for the environment locally or globally.

New poster. I think you missed PP’s point - I don’t think EV’s are great rental options because people renting a car an at airport most likely aren’t familiar with the surrounding area. I love my EV, but I wouldn’t choose to rent one now in an unfamiliar location - having to research where chargers are when I just want to get from the airport to my final destination is not worth the hassle. But for my daily commute, with a charger at home, it’s perfect!

That said, I don’t care what anyone else does - so I feel like it’s weird that folks get all charged up (ha, ha) over other people owning EVs.

We're probably talking past each other here, but one of my points is that EVs as a commuter vehicle basically shows the failure of this generation of EVs. That's simply because those EVs are doing ICE like duty cycles without ICE like longevity. This is how you get something like a 2017 Leaf with 34,000 miles on it that is practically cooked. EVs are far too resource intensive to make sense as low mileage commuters. They need to be ridden hard in something like a fleet or taxi service before their battery degrades somewhere in years 5-10.

That or we just need to admit that people like to use Ludicrous mode to dart into parking lanes and pass people at lights. We can then stop pretending EVs are green and just view them as muscle cars for dorks.

Wow you just continue with this lie. EV last 15-20 years and that includes the battery. That is longer vs ICE. So your whole arguments is bullsh#t.

someone ignoring the many 10 year old vehicle without working battery, but car look very good.

replacement of individual cells very pricy, very price to replace entire battey.

[Anonymous]

Ford is losing $100,000 per EV.


"Losses double

If you merely glance at Ford's first-quarter results, you'll see just how much of a drag its EV unit, Ford Model e, was on results. Earnings before interest and taxes (EBIT) for Ford Model e in the first quarter checked in with a $1.32 billion loss. A source told Bloomberg recently that Ford's losses per EV topped a staggering $100,000 during the first quarter, which was reportedly more than double the loss per EV last year. One issue is simply the high costs -- including batteries, which remain one of the largest costs of EVs. Ford will need to scale its EV production to help lower costs. "

See the entire article: https://www.fool.com/investing/2024/06/18/heres-the-staggering-amount-of-money-ford-loses-on/#:~:text=A%20report%20says%20Ford%20is,Model%20e%20division%20in%202024.

[Anonymous]

Not necessarily hate electric vehicles but want to address their problems: they are very heavy and will put extra weight on infrastructure particularly bridges. Difficult to extinguish fires from either lithium battery malfunctions or accidents, increased demand for electricity which will also worsen as climate changes cause higher temperatures.

[Anonymous]

85% of the battery and electronics built into EVs are produced in China.

Detroit labor is worried that 40% of the remaining auto manufacturing jobs in Detroit will go away.

Washington DC is mandating auto manufacturers build more and more EVs vs. gasoline engines despite lackluster sales and offsite lots from auto dealers are filling up with EVs that aren't selling, even with buying incentives and subsidies.

(Source: House Representative Mike Rogers (R-MI)


And now this.....


China's MG Motor Is Conquering Europe. Now It Wants To Build A Factory In Mexico

MG Motor plans to build a manufacturing base and research and development center in Mexico.

https://insideevs.com/news/729524/mg-motor-conquering-europe-mexico-china/

[Anonymous]

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Now that Trump likes EVs and even owns one, how will Rs react? Trump has been cozy with Elon lately as well.

Elon said he's not worried about the federal tax credit being revoked because it will be the other companies that will lose out. Tesla already makes a profit on its cars. The other manufacturers (Ford and GM) actually lose money on every EV they sell and will lose even more without the federal tax subsidy.

Is Tesla making a profit minus government mandates? Every car Audi and BMW sells sends money to Tesla.