Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:How many loops will you go through to sidestep that Kirk was killed by a left wing gay dude? Do you plan on keeping up this comical defense when speking with your colleagues? Family?

Do you think you will keep your job. I'm 100% sincere in theese questions. You are just bald face lying at this point.

If you are talking to me, I can assure you that I will keep my job. I have not told one lie. You, on the other hand, claimed that the shooter is a member of the trans community. He is not.

I am not sure that any of us can comment on his sexual orientation. He is romantically involved with someone who apparently identifies as a woman. To my knowledge, there has been no authoritative publicly-released information about his sexual orientation.

The Governor of Utah said that the shooter was influenced by left wing ideology. So, you can hang your hat on the fact that a CIS White male influenced by leftist ideology killed Kirk. Then you can continue your attempts to suppress the speech of folks like me. Does that satisfy you?

I'd continue to discuss this if you weren't so disengenuos, dishonest and defensive. You know the shooter was a gay lefty. I know that. Everyone knows that. You know we all know that.

It's like you're hiding from the truth. We see that. Since you own this joint, I'd like to see you have the integrity to come back and apologize for being wrong when even the left wing media concedes the shooter was a gay left wing freak. It's coming and you know it. Because that's what it was. It's just a matter of a few days.

Mixing incorrect information with insults is not going to strengthen your argument. To the contrary, if you must resort to ad hominems, it suggests that you are out of facts.

I agreed that the Governor said that the shooter is influenced by leftist ideology. Anything beyond that is speculation. Anything about his sexual orientation is speculation.

You want me to apologize for being wrong but you refuse to acknowledge, let alone apologize, that you wrongly described the shooter as trans.

Jeff, with all due respect, I am not sure the Governor understands the difference between "leftist ideology" and the likes of Fuentes and Loomer. There are mainstream republicans, like a PP in this thread, who just assumes anyone who is gay or trans are also lefties. And that simply isn't the case. It will really take a search through his internet consumption and posting history to really get at the root of who he is and what made him tick. And frankly, i don't trust anything coming out of the FBI right now.

I would add that the governor is still probably misinterpreting the scrawlings on the bullets. He is interpreting the fascist thing literally instead of accepting these are gamer memes that may truly point to this guy having completely non-political motivations.

The inscriptions are probably meant ironically or to be misleading. The one used to kill Kirk was about noticing a bulge and another about being gay. Both wool theoretically apply to Robinson. I don't think we can divine anything from the inscriptions at this point.

Hahahahaha… If the inscriptions were about MAGA you’d take them as gospel. Look at the twists and turns on this thread alone as the killer went from Left to Right to Left. Now that he’s left, it’s back to "wait for all of the facts"

Does it sound normal to you that a male who is involved with another male who is transitioning would make jokes about trans and gay people? Try to stick to the content of my post this time instead of replying to the voices in your head.

The gay reference on his bullet is a frequent gamer meme.

I am still betting we will find (or have already found) that he had affection for if not direct involvement with Antifa and the Trans community!

I thought Antifa stormed the US Capitol on January 6 and were later pardoned by Trump.

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He was killed on camera. No one's family deserves to have to witness that. It's unthinkably cruel that people would then go on the internet and use their platform to say about an innocent man that "I don't care that he's dead." "He's not a hero." "He's a scumbag." "He shouldn't be celebrated."
I'm talking about George Floyd. You thought I was talking about Charlie Kirk? No, those are actual quotes BY Charlie Kirk about George Floyd. Outrageous that anyone would say that of the dead, right?

THANK YOU.

The hypocrisy from the right in never ending.

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When the Governor of Utah says the suspect is not cooperating, I think that means tbe suspect is not going along with the government's preconceiived storyline.

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Anonymous wrote:People, mentally “well” young men are being radicalized online. They don’t have to be clinically depressed or anxious or bipolar. This boy was raised in a gun filled household, but no child is safe from these influences online.

Pay attention. Several of us have shared links and informative posts. Stop arguing and read them. YOUR boys are at risk too.

Learn about Gamer Gate.
Learn about Nick Fuentes.
Understand Pepe the Frog memes.
Learn about the other hate groups.
Educate your boys to stay away from this garbage.

Boys are being radicalized and desensitized. They are becoming racist, misogynistic, and violent even if you think you raised them differently. Talk to them about what they see online .

https://gnet-research.org/2022/10/24/extreme-right-radicalisation-of-children-via-online-gaming-platforms/

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-15/alt-right-groups-video-games-radicalising-young-men-extremism/101212494


https://www.theguardian.com/games/2025/mar/24/video-games-cant-escape-their-role-in-the-radicalisation-of-young-men

It’s so scary. Back in the day, we saw Muslim youth being radicalized in this way. Middle class kids with seemingly stable home lives would up and join Isis. You would see those stories and wonder what the heck happened. These were not your typical suicide bombers with nothing left to lose. They had bright future ahead of them. And now we are seeing this same type of radicalization across races. The ideology is irrelevant. The isolation, the hate, the cycling into despair- those are the common themes. Apparently our young men are susceptible.

It has a lot to do with feeling othered or having others guilt or resentment pushed on to you. I think some white men feel othered or out of place in the dominant society due to messages of demonization or white privilege/straight white males being colonizers or evil/the patriarchy. Muslim males also have a similar issue where they certainly are othered and demonized. Same with black men. Even with trans.

When you’re thought to be “the problem”, you tend to internalize that and act out.

Women/girls are not demonized the way men are

Interesting, I don’t know if you remember prior to the internet and social media, we had ‘others’ who actually didn’t all turn into psychopathic killers. They just went along with life being the ‘other’. People were more apt to converse with them because the internet wasn’t telling the rest of us how to be and what type of person to engage with. We were free.

You can directly link the rise of white male violence/mass shootings to the election of Pres Obama. That’s when the mass shootings started to spike in this country.. it was like instead of 9/11 we got lots of random mass shootings instead. Maybe it’s related to the rise of tech and not just Obama but it all started then. The perceived “loss of control” or becoming the “minority/marginalized” group doesn’t have to be real to be believed. There are apparently men that believed it.

Lately, during the Trump admin, we have seen the rise of a few apparently trans shooters. That’s no accident either. They feel they are losing control.

Obama and/or more likely the internet.

This is false. There was no surge in mass shootings when Obama got elected. However what did happen is that there was more coverage of mass shootings, which created a perception of a surge, along with a lot of rhetoric that Obama was going to confiscate everyones guns. Skip forward to the present and the reality is that Obama confiscated 0 guns and it was all hyperbolic nonsense from the right wing. As usual.

I don’t remember any mass shootings from the Bush years with the exception of Virginia Tech and the dc sniper

Mass shootings really intensified with Columbine which was mid 90s. The internet was in its infancy. Prior to Columbine they were really few and decades between.

Mass shootings and school shootings were not a thing until our politicians let the assault weapons ban expire instead of renewing it. We reap what they sowed.

The shooting of Charlie Kirk was not a mass shooting. I guess technically it was a school shooting because it occurred on a college campus. It was a political assassination like those that occurred in the 60s.

Equating JFK, RFK and MLK with Charlie Kirk, a podcaster, is quite the stretch.

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He was killed on camera. No one's family deserves to have to witness that. It's unthinkably cruel that people would then go on the internet and use their platform to say about an innocent man that "I don't care that he's dead." "He's not a hero." "He's a scumbag." "He shouldn't be celebrated."
I'm talking about George Floyd. You thought I was talking about Charlie Kirk? No, those are actual quotes BY Charlie Kirk about George Floyd. Outrageous that anyone would say that of the dead, right?

If you don’t see the difference in the life lived by George Floyd and the life lived by Charlie Kirk, you are beyond hope to reason with.

If you can't embrace the basic parallels the PP was trying to make, then you are beyond hope to reason with.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think that guy was the real shooter. That shot was too clean to come from some nobody. He’s the patsy

I agree 100000%

Charlie was killed? with hopes of dividing us further. The right wants to push the stepford wife, Mrs. Degree schtick, all abortion is death but we will never do anything to stop schools from being shot up. While trying to blame anyone and everything other than themselves for these issues. We’re now supposed to believe that a Utah Mormon trans queer furry gay whatever is responsible for Charlie’s death. Something stinks here.

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He was killed on camera. No one's family deserves to have to witness that. It's unthinkably cruel that people would then go on the internet and use their platform to say about an innocent man that "I don't care that he's dead." "He's not a hero." "He's a scumbag." "He shouldn't be celebrated."
I'm talking about George Floyd. You thought I was talking about Charlie Kirk? No, those are actual quotes BY Charlie Kirk about George Floyd. Outrageous that anyone would say that of the dead, right?

He believed in public executions. He believed 12-year-olds should watch public executions.

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Anonymous wrote:Mass shootings and school shootings were not a thing until our politicians let the assault weapons ban expire instead of renewing it. We reap what they sowed.

Columbine happened in 1999, in the middle of the assault weapon ban. It literally became the school shooter playbook that spawned countless copycats.

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Why does Erika Kirk’s speech seem off? Is it just me? What is going in with the optics there? It’s fuzzy and hologram appearing.

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He was killed on camera. No one's family deserves to have to witness that. It's unthinkably cruel that people would then go on the internet and use their platform to say about an innocent man that "I don't care that he's dead." "He's not a hero." "He's a scumbag." "He shouldn't be celebrated."
I'm talking about George Floyd. You thought I was talking about Charlie Kirk? No, those are actual quotes BY Charlie Kirk about George Floyd. Outrageous that anyone would say that of the dead, right?

If you don’t see the difference in the life lived by George Floyd and the life lived by Charlie Kirk, you are beyond hope to reason with.

If you don’t see the charlatan that Charlie Kirk was and you don’t know all the awful things he said and persuaded others to believe. You are beyond hope to reason with.

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He was killed on camera. No one's family deserves to have to witness that. It's unthinkably cruel that people would then go on the internet and use their platform to say about an innocent man that "I don't care that he's dead." "He's not a hero." "He's a scumbag." "He shouldn't be celebrated."
I'm talking about George Floyd. You thought I was talking about Charlie Kirk? No, those are actual quotes BY Charlie Kirk about George Floyd. Outrageous that anyone would say that of the dead, right?

If you don’t see the difference in the life lived by George Floyd and the life lived by Charlie Kirk, you are beyond hope to reason with.

If you don’t see the charlatan that Charlie Kirk was and you don’t know all the awful things he said and persuaded others to believe. You are beyond hope to reason with.

Is he even dead?! The more I watch wis wife’s recent vids the more I am questioning all of this.

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He was killed on camera. No one's family deserves to have to witness that. It's unthinkably cruel that people would then go on the internet and use their platform to say about an innocent man that "I don't care that he's dead." "He's not a hero." "He's a scumbag." "He shouldn't be celebrated."
I'm talking about George Floyd. You thought I was talking about Charlie Kirk? No, those are actual quotes BY Charlie Kirk about George Floyd. Outrageous that anyone would say that of the dead, right?

If you don’t see the difference in the life lived by George Floyd and the life lived by Charlie Kirk, you are beyond hope to reason with.

The former was murdered by agents of the state. The latter was murdered by …

Everything else is opinion-based, and rest assured that neither of these two individuals escapes tough scrutiny without a “three strikes, you’re out” call.

The main difference is that nobody on the left tried to take George Floyd’s imperfect life and canonize him, while the almost everyone on the right has been ugly crying and edging themselves to false memories of St. Charlie’s acts of kindness for four solid days now.

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He was killed on camera. No one's family deserves to have to witness that. It's unthinkably cruel that people would then go on the internet and use their platform to say about an innocent man that "I don't care that he's dead." "He's not a hero." "He's a scumbag." "He shouldn't be celebrated."
I'm talking about George Floyd. You thought I was talking about Charlie Kirk? No, those are actual quotes BY Charlie Kirk about George Floyd. Outrageous that anyone would say that of the dead, right?

If you don’t see the difference in the life lived by George Floyd and the life lived by Charlie Kirk, you are beyond hope to reason with.

You are such a sick individual to even suggest that one life is better than the other. Who the hell do you think you are? I personally would never give someone like Charlie Kirk one ounce of my time. He was repulsive to me. How you like them apples. A-hole.

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He was killed on camera. No one's family deserves to have to witness that. It's unthinkably cruel that people would then go on the internet and use their platform to say about an innocent man that "I don't care that he's dead." "He's not a hero." "He's a scumbag." "He shouldn't be celebrated."
I'm talking about George Floyd. You thought I was talking about Charlie Kirk? No, those are actual quotes BY Charlie Kirk about George Floyd. Outrageous that anyone would say that of the dead, right?

If you don’t see the difference in the life lived by George Floyd and the life lived by Charlie Kirk, you are beyond hope to reason with.

Kirk was a grifter. He peddled lies and hate for profit. Why do you idolize that?

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Anonymous wrote:When the Governor of Utah says the suspect is not cooperating, I think that means tbe suspect is not going along with the government's preconceiived storyline.

Exactly.