Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

[jsteele]

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Anonymous wrote:How many loops will you go through to sidestep that Kirk was killed by a left wing gay dude? Do you plan on keeping up this comical defense when speking with your colleagues? Family?

Do you think you will keep your job. I'm 100% sincere in theese questions. You are just bald face lying at this point.

If you are talking to me, I can assure you that I will keep my job. I have not told one lie. You, on the other hand, claimed that the shooter is a member of the trans community. He is not.

I am not sure that any of us can comment on his sexual orientation. He is romantically involved with someone who apparently identifies as a woman. To my knowledge, there has been no authoritative publicly-released information about his sexual orientation.

The Governor of Utah said that the shooter was influenced by left wing ideology. So, you can hang your hat on the fact that a CIS White male influenced by leftist ideology killed Kirk. Then you can continue your attempts to suppress the speech of folks like me. Does that satisfy you?

I'd continue to discuss this if you weren't so disengenuos, dishonest and defensive. You know the shooter was a gay lefty. I know that. Everyone knows that. You know we all know that.

It's like you're hiding from the truth. We see that. Since you own this joint, I'd like to see you have the integrity to come back and apologize for being wrong when even the left wing media concedes the shooter was a gay left wing freak. It's coming and you know it. Because that's what it was. It's just a matter of a few days.

Mixing incorrect information with insults is not going to strengthen your argument. To the contrary, if you must resort to ad hominems, it suggests that you are out of facts.

I agreed that the Governor said that the shooter is influenced by leftist ideology. Anything beyond that is speculation. Anything about his sexual orientation is speculation.

You want me to apologize for being wrong but you refuse to acknowledge, let alone apologize, that you wrongly described the shooter as trans.

Jeff, with all due respect, I am not sure the Governor understands the difference between "leftist ideology" and the likes of Fuentes and Loomer. There are mainstream republicans, like a PP in this thread, who just assumes anyone who is gay or trans are also lefties. And that simply isn't the case. It will really take a search through his internet consumption and posting history to really get at the root of who he is and what made him tick. And frankly, i don't trust anything coming out of the FBI right now.

I would add that the governor is still probably misinterpreting the scrawlings on the bullets. He is interpreting the fascist thing literally instead of accepting these are gamer memes that may truly point to this guy having completely non-political motivations.

The inscriptions are probably meant ironically or to be misleading. The one used to kill Kirk was about noticing a bulge and another about being gay. Both wool theoretically apply to Robinson. I don't think we can divine anything from the inscriptions at this point.

Hahahahaha… If the inscriptions were about MAGA you’d take them as gospel. Look at the twists and turns on this thread alone as the killer went from Left to Right to Left. Now that he’s left, it’s back to "wait for all of the facts"

Does it sound normal to you that a male who is involved with another male who is transitioning would make jokes about trans and gay people? Try to stick to the content of my post this time instead of replying to the voices in your head.

It does if the inscriptions were meant to be intentionally misleading.

Right, which is why I said that we probably can't trust the inscription and the other poster freaked out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many loops will you go through to sidestep that Kirk was killed by a left wing gay dude? Do you plan on keeping up this comical defense when speking with your colleagues? Family?

Do you think you will keep your job. I'm 100% sincere in theese questions. You are just bald face lying at this point.

If you are talking to me, I can assure you that I will keep my job. I have not told one lie. You, on the other hand, claimed that the shooter is a member of the trans community. He is not.

I am not sure that any of us can comment on his sexual orientation. He is romantically involved with someone who apparently identifies as a woman. To my knowledge, there has been no authoritative publicly-released information about his sexual orientation.

The Governor of Utah said that the shooter was influenced by left wing ideology. So, you can hang your hat on the fact that a CIS White male influenced by leftist ideology killed Kirk. Then you can continue your attempts to suppress the speech of folks like me. Does that satisfy you?

I'd continue to discuss this if you weren't so disengenuos, dishonest and defensive. You know the shooter was a gay lefty. I know that. Everyone knows that. You know we all know that.

It's like you're hiding from the truth. We see that. Since you own this joint, I'd like to see you have the integrity to come back and apologize for being wrong when even the left wing media concedes the shooter was a gay left wing freak. It's coming and you know it. Because that's what it was. It's just a matter of a few days.

Mixing incorrect information with insults is not going to strengthen your argument. To the contrary, if you must resort to ad hominems, it suggests that you are out of facts.

I agreed that the Governor said that the shooter is influenced by leftist ideology. Anything beyond that is speculation. Anything about his sexual orientation is speculation.

You want me to apologize for being wrong but you refuse to acknowledge, let alone apologize, that you wrongly described the shooter as trans.

Jeff, with all due respect, I am not sure the Governor understands the difference between "leftist ideology" and the likes of Fuentes and Loomer. There are mainstream republicans, like a PP in this thread, who just assumes anyone who is gay or trans are also lefties. And that simply isn't the case. It will really take a search through his internet consumption and posting history to really get at the root of who he is and what made him tick. And frankly, i don't trust anything coming out of the FBI right now.

I would add that the governor is still probably misinterpreting the scrawlings on the bullets. He is interpreting the fascist thing literally instead of accepting these are gamer memes that may truly point to this guy having completely non-political motivations.

The governor seems like an older conservative who is at least 3 decades out of touch with current memes and themes and basically just concludes "well since it's not anything I recognize it must be leftist." It's not a valid conclusion to just leap to "it's not my ideology therefore it must be leftist." I'm seeing a lot of this going on, particularly from older and more rural people who are politically naive.

He's 50. White GenX. The biggest MAGA voters.

[Anonymous]

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I don't blame her for not being. She knows he's BSing. I don't like being lied to, either.

Why wouldn't the left ideology be blamed? It's the left that is celebrating his death.

Who. Name them.

Again, there may some random people here and there, but there are no elected leaders on the left who are cheering other than perhaps Ilian Omar, who had been doxxed and abused by these people for years (not excusing, it just saying)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many loops will you go through to sidestep that Kirk was killed by a left wing gay dude? Do you plan on keeping up this comical defense when speking with your colleagues? Family?

Do you think you will keep your job. I'm 100% sincere in theese questions. You are just bald face lying at this point.

If you are talking to me, I can assure you that I will keep my job. I have not told one lie. You, on the other hand, claimed that the shooter is a member of the trans community. He is not.

I am not sure that any of us can comment on his sexual orientation. He is romantically involved with someone who apparently identifies as a woman. To my knowledge, there has been no authoritative publicly-released information about his sexual orientation.

The Governor of Utah said that the shooter was influenced by left wing ideology. So, you can hang your hat on the fact that a CIS White male influenced by leftist ideology killed Kirk. Then you can continue your attempts to suppress the speech of folks like me. Does that satisfy you?

I'd continue to discuss this if you weren't so disengenuos, dishonest and defensive. You know the shooter was a gay lefty. I know that. Everyone knows that. You know we all know that.

It's like you're hiding from the truth. We see that. Since you own this joint, I'd like to see you have the integrity to come back and apologize for being wrong when even the left wing media concedes the shooter was a gay left wing freak. It's coming and you know it. Because that's what it was. It's just a matter of a few days.

Mixing incorrect information with insults is not going to strengthen your argument. To the contrary, if you must resort to ad hominems, it suggests that you are out of facts.

I agreed that the Governor said that the shooter is influenced by leftist ideology. Anything beyond that is speculation. Anything about his sexual orientation is speculation.

You want me to apologize for being wrong but you refuse to acknowledge, let alone apologize, that you wrongly described the shooter as trans.

Jeff, with all due respect, I am not sure the Governor understands the difference between "leftist ideology" and the likes of Fuentes and Loomer. There are mainstream republicans, like a PP in this thread, who just assumes anyone who is gay or trans are also lefties. And that simply isn't the case. It will really take a search through his internet consumption and posting history to really get at the root of who he is and what made him tick. And frankly, i don't trust anything coming out of the FBI right now.

I would add that the governor is still probably misinterpreting the scrawlings on the bullets. He is interpreting the fascist thing literally instead of accepting these are gamer memes that may truly point to this guy having completely non-political motivations.

I don’t think the governor is interpreting anything. He is passing on the info and interpretation the FBI gives him. Pretty sure the FBI is looking into the gaming world

“The gaming world”. You sound so out of touch.

Okay Groypers for NPC you seem very in touch. Very in touch with touching yourself.

Wow you got me, I’m an NPC. I did take an arrow to the knee after all. Do you know what that’s from without googling it? You should since it’s a 14 year old game that’s been released a hundred times on every system ever. I think I have it on my thermostat. Sorry that’s another meme from “the gaming world”.

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I don't blame her for not being. She knows he's BSing. I don't like being lied to, either.

Why wouldn't the left ideology be blamed? It's the left that is celebrating his death.

Why wouldn't the left celebrate his death? It is he who demonized them.

[Anonymous]

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I don't blame her for not being. She knows he's BSing. I don't like being lied to, either.

Why wouldn't the left ideology be blamed? It's the left that is celebrating his death.

Specify what you mean by "the left". If you are talking about liberals/Democrats, which is millions of people, those people who are not celebrating.

And the leadership of the Democrats are not celebrating and have been reasonable and measured in their responses. The GOP -not so much calling for retribution, beat downs, and violence against this nebulous left.

Specify what exactly about "the left ideology" should be to blame? Again, if you are talking about liberals and Democrats, there is nothing in the mainstream ideology that promotes killing. This party tries to implement gun control and promote policies for social justice.

You are talking out your butt and YOU are part of the problem with your inflammatory rhetoric.

[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many loops will you go through to sidestep that Kirk was killed by a left wing gay dude? Do you plan on keeping up this comical defense when speking with your colleagues? Family?

Do you think you will keep your job. I'm 100% sincere in theese questions. You are just bald face lying at this point.

If you are talking to me, I can assure you that I will keep my job. I have not told one lie. You, on the other hand, claimed that the shooter is a member of the trans community. He is not.

I am not sure that any of us can comment on his sexual orientation. He is romantically involved with someone who apparently identifies as a woman. To my knowledge, there has been no authoritative publicly-released information about his sexual orientation.

The Governor of Utah said that the shooter was influenced by left wing ideology. So, you can hang your hat on the fact that a CIS White male influenced by leftist ideology killed Kirk. Then you can continue your attempts to suppress the speech of folks like me. Does that satisfy you?

I'd continue to discuss this if you weren't so disengenuos, dishonest and defensive. You know the shooter was a gay lefty. I know that. Everyone knows that. You know we all know that.

It's like you're hiding from the truth. We see that. Since you own this joint, I'd like to see you have the integrity to come back and apologize for being wrong when even the left wing media concedes the shooter was a gay left wing freak. It's coming and you know it. Because that's what it was. It's just a matter of a few days.

Mixing incorrect information with insults is not going to strengthen your argument. To the contrary, if you must resort to ad hominems, it suggests that you are out of facts.

I agreed that the Governor said that the shooter is influenced by leftist ideology. Anything beyond that is speculation. Anything about his sexual orientation is speculation.

You want me to apologize for being wrong but you refuse to acknowledge, let alone apologize, that you wrongly described the shooter as trans.

I have no clue the truth anymore but also saw something about there being a subset of Groypers who convince men to feminize themselves because they hate women so much and this is a way around dating women. So I’m not entirely sure the roommate is actually trans.

Ultimately it doesn’t really matter though what his ideology is nor his roommate’s gender. The bottom line is no one wants to claim this guy. He’s just another miserable angry male with easy access to guns.

Even if he was somehow liberal, the Democratic Party as a whole is no more responsible for this than the MAGA who broke into the Pelosis’ home. The difference is we didn’t dox and insist on the firings of people who mocked Paul Pelosi, nor did we threaten retribution.

I can’t believe how anyone thinks any of this is normal - we flew the flag half mast for a freaking podcaster.

There's definitely a lot of weirdness in the alt-right community, like not wiping their asses because touching a butt, even your own to wipe it after going to the bathroom is "gay."

https://metro.co.uk/2017/10/29/toxic-masculinity-is-preventing-some-men-from-wiping-their-bums-properly-7036601/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don't blame her for not being. She knows he's BSing. I don't like being lied to, either.

Why wouldn't the left ideology be blamed? It's the left that is celebrating his death.

Why wouldn't the left celebrate his death? It is he who demonized them.

Celebrating his death is not cool, but it does not equate in any way to calling for his death beforehand. It also is not so widespread as the MAGA propaganda machine would have people believe.

MAGA cant help themselves. Lying is like breathing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don't blame her for not being. She knows he's BSing. I don't like being lied to, either.

Why wouldn't the left ideology be blamed? It's the left that is celebrating his death.

Why wouldn't the left celebrate his death? It is he who demonized them.

Because from Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, who both received ridiculous abuse from Kirk, on down to mayors and governors, they all express their condolences and calls for unity because they have more class than most of the republicans (Thom Tillis and a few others excluded)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don't blame her for not being. She knows he's BSing. I don't like being lied to, either.

Why wouldn't the left ideology be blamed? It's the left that is celebrating his death.

Why wouldn't the left celebrate his death? It is he who demonized them.

Kirk demonized a lot of people. Immigrants, women, LGBTQ+, liberals and progressives, public health officials, Muslims, the Chinese, blacks, election officials, public schools and universities, college professors, civil rights advocates, and on and on and on... There are tens of millions of people across America who have been targeted by Kirk, along with hundreds who were personally named as enemies by Kirk such as his "Professor Watchlist" which was used by his followers to threaten and harrass university professors and academic officials.

But that said the only people I've seen "celebrating" Kirk's death are a handful of cherrypicked random people that the right wing keeps posting. People I've never heard of, with no position or clout or following anywhere among liberals, as well as some people who turned out to be right wing pretending to portray celebrating liberals as a form of satire to make the left look bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don't blame her for not being. She knows he's BSing. I don't like being lied to, either.

Why wouldn't the left ideology be blamed? It's the left that is celebrating his death.

Who. Name them.

Again, there may some random people here and there, but there are no elected leaders on the left who are cheering other than perhaps Ilian Omar, who had been doxxed and abused by these people for years (not excusing, it just saying)

+1
Constantly repeating this false narrative was incredibly damaging to the entire country. Which is what the bots want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don't blame her for not being. She knows he's BSing. I don't like being lied to, either.

Why wouldn't the left ideology be blamed? It's the left that is celebrating his death.

Why wouldn't the left celebrate his death? It is he who demonized them.

I am on the left, and I might have differences of opinion, but wanting someone dead is extremist and abominable. WTF

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How many loops will you go through to sidestep that Kirk was killed by a left wing gay dude? Do you plan on keeping up this comical defense when speking with your colleagues? Family?

Do you think you will keep your job. I'm 100% sincere in theese questions. You are just bald face lying at this point.

If you are talking to me, I can assure you that I will keep my job. I have not told one lie. You, on the other hand, claimed that the shooter is a member of the trans community. He is not.

I am not sure that any of us can comment on his sexual orientation. He is romantically involved with someone who apparently identifies as a woman. To my knowledge, there has been no authoritative publicly-released information about his sexual orientation.

The Governor of Utah said that the shooter was influenced by left wing ideology. So, you can hang your hat on the fact that a CIS White male influenced by leftist ideology killed Kirk. Then you can continue your attempts to suppress the speech of folks like me. Does that satisfy you?

I'd continue to discuss this if you weren't so disengenuos, dishonest and defensive. You know the shooter was a gay lefty. I know that. Everyone knows that. You know we all know that.

It's like you're hiding from the truth. We see that. Since you own this joint, I'd like to see you have the integrity to come back and apologize for being wrong when even the left wing media concedes the shooter was a gay left wing freak. It's coming and you know it. Because that's what it was. It's just a matter of a few days.

Mixing incorrect information with insults is not going to strengthen your argument. To the contrary, if you must resort to ad hominems, it suggests that you are out of facts.

I agreed that the Governor said that the shooter is influenced by leftist ideology. Anything beyond that is speculation. Anything about his sexual orientation is speculation.

You want me to apologize for being wrong but you refuse to acknowledge, let alone apologize, that you wrongly described the shooter as trans.

Jeff, with all due respect, I am not sure the Governor understands the difference between "leftist ideology" and the likes of Fuentes and Loomer. There are mainstream republicans, like a PP in this thread, who just assumes anyone who is gay or trans are also lefties. And that simply isn't the case. It will really take a search through his internet consumption and posting history to really get at the root of who he is and what made him tick. And frankly, i don't trust anything coming out of the FBI right now.

I would add that the governor is still probably misinterpreting the scrawlings on the bullets. He is interpreting the fascist thing literally instead of accepting these are gamer memes that may truly point to this guy having completely non-political motivations.

The governor seems like an older conservative who is at least 3 decades out of touch with current memes and themes and basically just concludes "well since it's not anything I recognize it must be leftist." It's not a valid conclusion to just leap to "it's not my ideology therefore it must be leftist." I'm seeing a lot of this going on, particularly from older and more rural people who are politically naive.

He's 50. White GenX. The biggest MAGA voters.

50? Jesus, he looks like he's 60. Should take better care of himself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don't blame her for not being. She knows he's BSing. I don't like being lied to, either.

Why wouldn't the left ideology be blamed? It's the left that is celebrating his death.

Why wouldn't the left celebrate his death? It is he who demonized them.

Kirk demonized a lot of people. Immigrants, women, LGBTQ+, liberals and progressives, public health officials, Muslims, the Chinese, blacks, election officials, public schools and universities, college professors, civil rights advocates, and on and on and on... There are tens of millions of people across America who have been targeted by Kirk, along with hundreds who were personally named as enemies by Kirk such as his "Professor Watchlist" which was used by his followers to threaten and harrass university professors and academic officials.

But that said the only people I've seen "celebrating" Kirk's death are a handful of cherrypicked random people that the right wing keeps posting. People I've never heard of, with no position or clout or following anywhere among liberals, as well as some people who turned out to be right wing pretending to portray celebrating liberals as a form of satire to make the left look bad.

No disagreement that it's been randos who have been celebrating, but it's still not an irrational reaction to someone who rouses so much sentiment against you. Disrespectful, yes, but not irrational. (but doesn't respect have to be earned, anyway?) And if MAGAs were honest with themselves, they'd admit that. But why don't we look at how Kirk reacted to the deaths of his political nemesises before we make a fair judgement?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don't blame her for not being. She knows he's BSing. I don't like being lied to, either.

Why wouldn't the left ideology be blamed? It's the left that is celebrating his death.

Why wouldn't the left celebrate his death? It is he who demonized them.

Kirk demonized a lot of people. Immigrants, women, LGBTQ+, liberals and progressives, public health officials, Muslims, the Chinese, blacks, election officials, public schools and universities, college professors, civil rights advocates, and on and on and on... There are tens of millions of people across America who have been targeted by Kirk, along with hundreds who were personally named as enemies by Kirk such as his "Professor Watchlist" which was used by his followers to threaten and harrass university professors and academic officials.

But that said the only people I've seen "celebrating" Kirk's death are a handful of cherrypicked random people that the right wing keeps posting. People I've never heard of, with no position or clout or following anywhere among liberals, as well as some people who turned out to be right wing pretending to portray celebrating liberals as a form of satire to make the left look bad.

No disagreement that it's been randos who have been celebrating, but it's still not an irrational reaction to someone who rouses so much sentiment against you. Disrespectful, yes, but not irrational. (but doesn't respect have to be earned, anyway?) And if MAGAs were honest with themselves, they'd admit that. But why don't we look at how Kirk reacted to the deaths of his political nemesises before we make a fair judgement?

This is a sane and mainstream take, thank you.