Trump Threatens to Shutdown Government if No $ for his Border Wall

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Trump Shutdown.
What a lovely holiday present to hundreds of thousands of hardworking Americans.

Boo-ha-ha. Govrnment employees are hard workin?

Careful, that’s your precious Border Patrol you’re talking about.

+1. Here’s who’s working without pay, probably until the grownups arrive on January 3.

More than 41,000 Federal Law Enforcement and Correctional Officers, Including:
2,614 ATF agents;
16,742 Bureau of Prisons correctional officers;
13,709 FBI agents;
3,600 deputy U.S. Marshals; and
4,399 DEA agents.

Up to 88% of Department of Homeland Security Employees, Including:
53,000 TSA Employees;
54,000 Customs and Border Protection agents and customs officers;
42,000 Coast Guard employees;
As many as 5,000 Forest Service Firefighters;
3,600 Weather Service Forecasters

More Than 380,000 Will Be Furloughed, Including:
86% of the Department of Commerce (Approximately 41,000 Staff);
96% of NASA (Approximately 16,700 Staff);
More than 80% of the National Park Service (Approximately 16,000 Staff);
At least 80% of the Forest Service (Approximately 28,800 Staff);
More than 30% of Dept. of Transportation (Approximately 18,300 Staff);
95% of HUD (Approximately 7,100 Staff);
Approximately 52,000 IRS Staff

They're not working for no pay! The pay might be delayed for a week or so. Most Americans who have suffered REAL layoffs or job terminations can't relay relate.

A big THANK YOU to all those border patrol agents, coast guard staff, and others who will have their holiday leave canceled and who may be wondering when or how they will get paid!
~ a liberal Democrat

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Trump Shutdown.
What a lovely holiday present to hundreds of thousands of hardworking Americans.

Boo-ha-ha. Govrnment employees are hard workin?

Careful, that’s your precious Border Patrol you’re talking about.

+1. Here’s who’s working without pay, probably until the grownups arrive on January 3.

More than 41,000 Federal Law Enforcement and Correctional Officers, Including:
2,614 ATF agents;
16,742 Bureau of Prisons correctional officers;
13,709 FBI agents;
3,600 deputy U.S. Marshals; and
4,399 DEA agents.

Up to 88% of Department of Homeland Security Employees, Including:
53,000 TSA Employees;
54,000 Customs and Border Protection agents and customs officers;
42,000 Coast Guard employees;
As many as 5,000 Forest Service Firefighters;
3,600 Weather Service Forecasters

More Than 380,000 Will Be Furloughed, Including:
86% of the Department of Commerce (Approximately 41,000 Staff);
96% of NASA (Approximately 16,700 Staff);
More than 80% of the National Park Service (Approximately 16,000 Staff);
At least 80% of the Forest Service (Approximately 28,800 Staff);
More than 30% of Dept. of Transportation (Approximately 18,300 Staff);
95% of HUD (Approximately 7,100 Staff);
Approximately 52,000 IRS Staff

They're not working for no pay! The pay might be delayed for a week or so. Most Americans who have suffered REAL layoffs or job terminations can't relay relate.

Where do you get that information? There is no legislation for back pay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Trump Shutdown.
What a lovely holiday present to hundreds of thousands of hardworking Americans.

Boo-ha-ha. Govrnment employees are hard workin?

Careful, that’s your precious Border Patrol you’re talking about.

+1. Here’s who’s working without pay, probably until the grownups arrive on January 3.

More than 41,000 Federal Law Enforcement and Correctional Officers, Including:
2,614 ATF agents;
16,742 Bureau of Prisons correctional officers;
13,709 FBI agents;
3,600 deputy U.S. Marshals; and
4,399 DEA agents.

Up to 88% of Department of Homeland Security Employees, Including:
53,000 TSA Employees;
54,000 Customs and Border Protection agents and customs officers;
42,000 Coast Guard employees;
As many as 5,000 Forest Service Firefighters;
3,600 Weather Service Forecasters

More Than 380,000 Will Be Furloughed, Including:
86% of the Department of Commerce (Approximately 41,000 Staff);
96% of NASA (Approximately 16,700 Staff);
More than 80% of the National Park Service (Approximately 16,000 Staff);
At least 80% of the Forest Service (Approximately 28,800 Staff);
More than 30% of Dept. of Transportation (Approximately 18,300 Staff);
95% of HUD (Approximately 7,100 Staff);
Approximately 52,000 IRS Staff

They're not working for no pay! The pay might be delayed for a week or so. Most Americans who have suffered REAL layoffs or job terminations can't relay relate.

Please cite your source for the backpay.

[Anonymous]

And there it is. McConnell adjourning the Senate until Dec 27. Merry Christmas everyone!

[Anonymous]

This could be a long shut down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Trump Shutdown.
What a lovely holiday present to hundreds of thousands of hardworking Americans.

Boo-ha-ha. Govrnment employees are hard workin?

Careful, that’s your precious Border Patrol you’re talking about.

+1. Here’s who’s working without pay, probably until the grownups arrive on January 3.

More than 41,000 Federal Law Enforcement and Correctional Officers, Including:
2,614 ATF agents;
16,742 Bureau of Prisons correctional officers;
13,709 FBI agents;
3,600 deputy U.S. Marshals; and
4,399 DEA agents.

Up to 88% of Department of Homeland Security Employees, Including:
53,000 TSA Employees;
54,000 Customs and Border Protection agents and customs officers;
42,000 Coast Guard employees;
As many as 5,000 Forest Service Firefighters;
3,600 Weather Service Forecasters

More Than 380,000 Will Be Furloughed, Including:
86% of the Department of Commerce (Approximately 41,000 Staff);
96% of NASA (Approximately 16,700 Staff);
More than 80% of the National Park Service (Approximately 16,000 Staff);
At least 80% of the Forest Service (Approximately 28,800 Staff);
More than 30% of Dept. of Transportation (Approximately 18,300 Staff);
95% of HUD (Approximately 7,100 Staff);
Approximately 52,000 IRS Staff

They're not working for no pay! The pay might be delayed for a week or so. Most Americans who have suffered REAL layoffs or job terminations can't relay relate.

Where do you get that information? There is no legislation for back pay.

Your said people were being required to work without pay. That's illegal. They will get paid for time worked, albeit with a delay.

As far as those who are on leave with delayed pay, there's always a big woe-is-me that they won't be paid, and, without rare exemption, they are. In the meantime, Americans in private industry are shaking their heads at this. People in the real world know what it means to lose jobs, get laid off, or have jobs abolished with NO warning. (Happened to me.....had a job as of 4 pm one day, and by COB I learned that was my last day. Along with about 15 others.)

Enjoy your paid vacation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Trump Shutdown.
What a lovely holiday present to hundreds of thousands of hardworking Americans.

Boo-ha-ha. Govrnment employees are hard workin?

Careful, that’s your precious Border Patrol you’re talking about.

+1. Here’s who’s working without pay, probably until the grownups arrive on January 3.

More than 41,000 Federal Law Enforcement and Correctional Officers, Including:
2,614 ATF agents;
16,742 Bureau of Prisons correctional officers;
13,709 FBI agents;
3,600 deputy U.S. Marshals; and
4,399 DEA agents.

Up to 88% of Department of Homeland Security Employees, Including:
53,000 TSA Employees;
54,000 Customs and Border Protection agents and customs officers;
42,000 Coast Guard employees;
As many as 5,000 Forest Service Firefighters;
3,600 Weather Service Forecasters

More Than 380,000 Will Be Furloughed, Including:
86% of the Department of Commerce (Approximately 41,000 Staff);
96% of NASA (Approximately 16,700 Staff);
More than 80% of the National Park Service (Approximately 16,000 Staff);
At least 80% of the Forest Service (Approximately 28,800 Staff);
More than 30% of Dept. of Transportation (Approximately 18,300 Staff);
95% of HUD (Approximately 7,100 Staff);
Approximately 52,000 IRS Staff

They're not working for no pay! The pay might be delayed for a week or so. Most Americans who have suffered REAL layoffs or job terminations can't relay relate.

Where do you get that information? There is no legislation for back pay.

Your said people were being required to work without pay. That's illegal. They will get paid for time worked, albeit with a delay.

As far as those who are on leave with delayed pay, there's always a big woe-is-me that they won't be paid, and, without rare exemption, they are. In the meantime, Americans in private industry are shaking their heads at this. People in the real world know what it means to lose jobs, get laid off, or have jobs abolished with NO warning. (Happened to me.....had a job as of 4 pm one day, and by COB I learned that was my last day. Along with about 15 others.)

Enjoy your paid vacation.

Show me the legislation that authorized backpay for these workers, including the CBP workers protecting our borders and those Secret Service agents forced to work without pay to protect Trump. Or better yet mail them a check to compensate for the one they likely won’t be getting on 12/28.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Trump Shutdown.
What a lovely holiday present to hundreds of thousands of hardworking Americans.

Boo-ha-ha. Govrnment employees are hard workin?

Careful, that’s your precious Border Patrol you’re talking about.

+1. Here’s who’s working without pay, probably until the grownups arrive on January 3.

More than 41,000 Federal Law Enforcement and Correctional Officers, Including:
2,614 ATF agents;
16,742 Bureau of Prisons correctional officers;
13,709 FBI agents;
3,600 deputy U.S. Marshals; and
4,399 DEA agents.

Up to 88% of Department of Homeland Security Employees, Including:
53,000 TSA Employees;
54,000 Customs and Border Protection agents and customs officers;
42,000 Coast Guard employees;
As many as 5,000 Forest Service Firefighters;
3,600 Weather Service Forecasters

More Than 380,000 Will Be Furloughed, Including:
86% of the Department of Commerce (Approximately 41,000 Staff);
96% of NASA (Approximately 16,700 Staff);
More than 80% of the National Park Service (Approximately 16,000 Staff);
At least 80% of the Forest Service (Approximately 28,800 Staff);
More than 30% of Dept. of Transportation (Approximately 18,300 Staff);
95% of HUD (Approximately 7,100 Staff);
Approximately 52,000 IRS Staff

They're not working for no pay! The pay might be delayed for a week or so. Most Americans who have suffered REAL layoffs or job terminations can't relay relate.

Where do you get that information? There is no legislation for back pay.

Your said people were being required to work without pay. That's illegal. They will get paid for time worked, albeit with a delay.

As far as those who are on leave with delayed pay, there's always a big woe-is-me that they won't be paid, and, without rare exemption, they are. In the meantime, Americans in private industry are shaking their heads at this. People in the real world know what it means to lose jobs, get laid off, or have jobs abolished with NO warning. (Happened to me.....had a job as of 4 pm one day, and by COB I learned that was my last day. Along with about 15 others.)

Enjoy your paid vacation.

Show me the legislation that authorized backpay for these workers, including the CBP workers protecting our borders and those Secret Service agents forced to work without pay to protect Trump. Or better yet mail them a check to compensate for the one they likely won’t be getting on 12/28.

They'll get their pay, but it might be delayed a brief while. Go cry to people who really know what a furlough or layoff means....NO Pay. Period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Trump Shutdown.
What a lovely holiday present to hundreds of thousands of hardworking Americans.

Boo-ha-ha. Govrnment employees are hard workin?

Careful, that’s your precious Border Patrol you’re talking about.

+1. Here’s who’s working without pay, probably until the grownups arrive on January 3.

More than 41,000 Federal Law Enforcement and Correctional Officers, Including:
2,614 ATF agents;
16,742 Bureau of Prisons correctional officers;
13,709 FBI agents;
3,600 deputy U.S. Marshals; and
4,399 DEA agents.

Up to 88% of Department of Homeland Security Employees, Including:
53,000 TSA Employees;
54,000 Customs and Border Protection agents and customs officers;
42,000 Coast Guard employees;
As many as 5,000 Forest Service Firefighters;
3,600 Weather Service Forecasters

More Than 380,000 Will Be Furloughed, Including:
86% of the Department of Commerce (Approximately 41,000 Staff);
96% of NASA (Approximately 16,700 Staff);
More than 80% of the National Park Service (Approximately 16,000 Staff);
At least 80% of the Forest Service (Approximately 28,800 Staff);
More than 30% of Dept. of Transportation (Approximately 18,300 Staff);
95% of HUD (Approximately 7,100 Staff);
Approximately 52,000 IRS Staff

They're not working for no pay! The pay might be delayed for a week or so. Most Americans who have suffered REAL layoffs or job terminations can't relay relate.

Where do you get that information? There is no legislation for back pay.

Your said people were being required to work without pay. That's illegal. They will get paid for time worked, albeit with a delay.

As far as those who are on leave with delayed pay, there's always a big woe-is-me that they won't be paid, and, without rare exemption, they are. In the meantime, Americans in private industry are shaking their heads at this. People in the real world know what it means to lose jobs, get laid off, or have jobs abolished with NO warning. (Happened to me.....had a job as of 4 pm one day, and by COB I learned that was my last day. Along with about 15 others.)

Enjoy your paid vacation.

This is odd. You act like federal employees are ignorant of the plight of the private sector worker. I was laid off from the private sector, that’s why I went to the federal government.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Trump Shutdown.
What a lovely holiday present to hundreds of thousands of hardworking Americans.

Boo-ha-ha. Govrnment employees are hard workin?

Careful, that’s your precious Border Patrol you’re talking about.

+1. Here’s who’s working without pay, probably until the grownups arrive on January 3.

More than 41,000 Federal Law Enforcement and Correctional Officers, Including:
2,614 ATF agents;
16,742 Bureau of Prisons correctional officers;
13,709 FBI agents;
3,600 deputy U.S. Marshals; and
4,399 DEA agents.

Up to 88% of Department of Homeland Security Employees, Including:
53,000 TSA Employees;
54,000 Customs and Border Protection agents and customs officers;
42,000 Coast Guard employees;
As many as 5,000 Forest Service Firefighters;
3,600 Weather Service Forecasters

More Than 380,000 Will Be Furloughed, Including:
86% of the Department of Commerce (Approximately 41,000 Staff);
96% of NASA (Approximately 16,700 Staff);
More than 80% of the National Park Service (Approximately 16,000 Staff);
At least 80% of the Forest Service (Approximately 28,800 Staff);
More than 30% of Dept. of Transportation (Approximately 18,300 Staff);
95% of HUD (Approximately 7,100 Staff);
Approximately 52,000 IRS Staff

They're not working for no pay! The pay might be delayed for a week or so. Most Americans who have suffered REAL layoffs or job terminations can't relay relate.

Where do you get that information? There is no legislation for back pay.

Your said people were being required to work without pay. That's illegal. They will get paid for time worked, albeit with a delay.

As far as those who are on leave with delayed pay, there's always a big woe-is-me that they won't be paid, and, without rare exemption, they are. In the meantime, Americans in private industry are shaking their heads at this. People in the real world know what it means to lose jobs, get laid off, or have jobs abolished with NO warning. (Happened to me.....had a job as of 4 pm one day, and by COB I learned that was my last day. Along with about 15 others.)

Enjoy your paid vacation.

Show me the legislation that authorized backpay for these workers, including the CBP workers protecting our borders and those Secret Service agents forced to work without pay to protect Trump. Or better yet mail them a check to compensate for the one they likely won’t be getting on 12/28.

They'll get their pay, but it might be delayed a brief while. Go cry to people who really know what a furlough or layoff means....NO Pay. Period.

Why on earth would you take your frustrations out on Government workers? Are you seriously suggesting they shouldn’t expect to be paid on time when they are still expected to show up to work? Yes. They will likely get back pay. You sound bitter and jealous. Sorry you made bad career choices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Trump Shutdown.
What a lovely holiday present to hundreds of thousands of hardworking Americans.

Boo-ha-ha. Govrnment employees are hard workin?

Careful, that’s your precious Border Patrol you’re talking about.

+1. Here’s who’s working without pay, probably until the grownups arrive on January 3.

More than 41,000 Federal Law Enforcement and Correctional Officers, Including:
2,614 ATF agents;
16,742 Bureau of Prisons correctional officers;
13,709 FBI agents;
3,600 deputy U.S. Marshals; and
4,399 DEA agents.

Up to 88% of Department of Homeland Security Employees, Including:
53,000 TSA Employees;
54,000 Customs and Border Protection agents and customs officers;
42,000 Coast Guard employees;
As many as 5,000 Forest Service Firefighters;
3,600 Weather Service Forecasters

More Than 380,000 Will Be Furloughed, Including:
86% of the Department of Commerce (Approximately 41,000 Staff);
96% of NASA (Approximately 16,700 Staff);
More than 80% of the National Park Service (Approximately 16,000 Staff);
At least 80% of the Forest Service (Approximately 28,800 Staff);
More than 30% of Dept. of Transportation (Approximately 18,300 Staff);
95% of HUD (Approximately 7,100 Staff);
Approximately 52,000 IRS Staff

They're not working for no pay! The pay might be delayed for a week or so. Most Americans who have suffered REAL layoffs or job terminations can't relay relate.

Where do you get that information? There is no legislation for back pay.

Your said people were being required to work without pay. That's illegal. They will get paid for time worked, albeit with a delay.

As far as those who are on leave with delayed pay, there's always a big woe-is-me that they won't be paid, and, without rare exemption, they are. In the meantime, Americans in private industry are shaking their heads at this. People in the real world know what it means to lose jobs, get laid off, or have jobs abolished with NO warning. (Happened to me.....had a job as of 4 pm one day, and by COB I learned that was my last day. Along with about 15 others.)

Enjoy your paid vacation.

Show me the legislation that authorized backpay for these workers, including the CBP workers protecting our borders and those Secret Service agents forced to work without pay to protect Trump. Or better yet mail them a check to compensate for the one they likely won’t be getting on 12/28.

They'll get their pay, but it might be delayed a brief while. Go cry to people who really know what a furlough or layoff means....NO Pay. Period.

In other words you have no clue what you are blathering about. Go sit down now.

[Anonymous]

People who are deemed "essential" (or whatever the current wording is) have to show up and work.

1. "Essential" is a somewhat granular definition, and at a certain level, it is left up to the department to make.
2. Since they are working, they will eventually be paid.
3. Their pay might be delayed, depending on what the budget status of their department is.

People who are deemed "non-essential" (or whatever the current wording is) are furloughed.

1. In the past, those who are furloughed end up receiving back pay for those days, even though they did not work.
2. Whether or not this happens is at the discretion of Congress. It is less predictable this time than previously, although probably backpay legislation will pass once again. Probably. No guarantees.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Trump Shutdown.
What a lovely holiday present to hundreds of thousands of hardworking Americans.

Boo-ha-ha. Govrnment employees are hard workin?

Careful, that’s your precious Border Patrol you’re talking about.

+1. Here’s who’s working without pay, probably until the grownups arrive on January 3.

More than 41,000 Federal Law Enforcement and Correctional Officers, Including:
2,614 ATF agents;
16,742 Bureau of Prisons correctional officers;
13,709 FBI agents;
3,600 deputy U.S. Marshals; and
4,399 DEA agents.

Up to 88% of Department of Homeland Security Employees, Including:
53,000 TSA Employees;
54,000 Customs and Border Protection agents and customs officers;
42,000 Coast Guard employees;
As many as 5,000 Forest Service Firefighters;
3,600 Weather Service Forecasters

More Than 380,000 Will Be Furloughed, Including:
86% of the Department of Commerce (Approximately 41,000 Staff);
96% of NASA (Approximately 16,700 Staff);
More than 80% of the National Park Service (Approximately 16,000 Staff);
At least 80% of the Forest Service (Approximately 28,800 Staff);
More than 30% of Dept. of Transportation (Approximately 18,300 Staff);
95% of HUD (Approximately 7,100 Staff);
Approximately 52,000 IRS Staff

They're not working for no pay! The pay might be delayed for a week or so. Most Americans who have suffered REAL layoffs or job terminations can't relay relate.

Where do you get that information? There is no legislation for back pay.

Your said people were being required to work without pay. That's illegal. They will get paid for time worked, albeit with a delay.

As far as those who are on leave with delayed pay, there's always a big woe-is-me that they won't be paid, and, without rare exemption, they are. In the meantime, Americans in private industry are shaking their heads at this. People in the real world know what it means to lose jobs, get laid off, or have jobs abolished with NO warning. (Happened to me.....had a job as of 4 pm one day, and by COB I learned that was my last day. Along with about 15 others.)

Enjoy your paid vacation.

Show me the legislation that authorized backpay for these workers, including the CBP workers protecting our borders and those Secret Service agents forced to work without pay to protect Trump. Or better yet mail them a check to compensate for the one they likely won’t be getting on 12/28.

They'll get their pay, but it might be delayed a brief while. Go cry to people who really know what a furlough or layoff means....NO Pay. Period.

Why on earth would you take your frustrations out on Government workers? Are you seriously suggesting they shouldn’t expect to be paid on time when they are still expected to show up to work? Yes. They will likely get back pay. You sound bitter and jealous. Sorry you made bad career choices.

No. You sound entitled - like the man with no shoes complaining to the man with no feet. Instead of complaining, you need to understand that government workers are set for life, with a rare set-back that consists of a pay delay of a week or so.

And as far as bad career choices, why are you blaming ME because management screwed up, and staff had to oay the price? Aren't you people always saying that government employees shouldn't be punished for their management's screw ups?

Finally, I didn't make bad carrer choices. I've had a rewarding career that utilizes my talents. I just had real setbacks, as most Americans have, because company owners made bad decisions (or were greedy). My point is that a few days delay in pay is nothing compared to losing a job without warning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where do you get that information? There is no legislation for back pay.

- I'm a different poster, and I hate the shutdown.

- Cardin and Van Hollen introduced a backpay bill that passed by unanimous consent in the Senate yesterday. I assume that means something similar could pass with a veto proof majority in January. Come to think of it, maybe a clean anti-shutdown bill could pass with a veto-proof majority in January.

[Anonymous]

The last time there was a furlough, the government workers were jammed into shopping malls, happily spending their money. They sure didn't looked worried to me!