Senate Democrats sending secret letter about Kavanaugh to FBI

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Anonymous wrote:Google Mark Judge, the guy who was allegedly with Kavanaugh.

I know he's trying to get out in front of it, but everything he has said makes it seem like he (Judge) would be involved with such an incident.

Yup. I was same year, friends "dated" both of them, and every party was a raging drunken bacchanal whether in someone's house in DC, Bethesda, Potomac or Chevy Chase when the parents were away, or at Battery Kemble or field parties.

Mark Judge wrote a book about his teenage alcoholism. That he doesn't recall doesn't mean it didn't happen. Several of us from one of the girls schools think more stories will emerge.

The list of women who signed the letter was not surprising at all. There's already a huge fallout. It's also interesting who was not approached to sign the letter. More to come....

More on Mark Judge, his books, and the character he named “Bart O’Kavanaugh” here:
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/09/brett-kavanaugh-mark-judge-high-school-drunk-allegation-alcohol/

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Anonymous wrote:Y'all who are poo pooing this, need to ask, if there was no there there, why and how did the GOP anticipate needing 65 women (who didn't go to high school with Brett) to sign a letter saying he was a nice boy?

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No one said they anticipated it. Ever heard of social media? Pretty sure that the girls' school alums are likely pretty close knit, even today. How long would it take to put that together? Not long at all. Especially, if a few of them are very good friends of his. And, yes, the girls' schools and the boys' schools do socialize together.

But, I'm sure we will get more information when the woman gets her television interview.

As an alum of a DC girls' school, I can safely say it probably took 10 minutes to pull that list together. The DC Catholic and private school network is incredibly tight knit. I don't like Brett Kavanaugh, and definitely don't want him confirmed, but I know most of the women on that list. Hell, I've probably been to a party with Brett Kavanaugh.

But just because 65 women weren't sexually assaulted doesn't mean that one wasn't.

THANK YOU. I’m the PP who seriously doubted that someone who graduated from Prep 35+ years ago could find 65 women who even knew who he was in high school, much less could vouch for his character then. I went to NCS, still live in DC, have a dozen VERY close friends from high school and would have a hard time coming up with 65 MEN, who obviously didn’t actually go to high school with me, vouching for my high school character with two days notice. My husband, who went to the New Jersey Georgetown Prep equivalent, said the same thing. It’s not believable.

I think you've misunderstood the PP. She was saying it's completely believable that this list of women was pulled together very quickly.

Well yes, but also that it’s unbelievable that every single one of them knew him in high school and can personally vouch for his character at that time? Because that sounds like some bullsh!t.

Seems to me that when this many women organize themselves to write a letter, it speaks to his strong character and integrity. Combine that with the numerous other character statements already submitted and he seems to be a man above reproach.

Not if they're all Trumpkins or paid to do so.

Perhaps this woman was paid to write a letter detailing a fictional allegation? Or perhaps there is no actual woman, and the entire accusation was concocted? I wouldn't put anything past liberals. All one needs to do is read this forum to see how desperate you are to prevent him from being confirmed.

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Anonymous wrote:Google Mark Judge, the guy who was allegedly with Kavanaugh.

I know he's trying to get out in front of it, but everything he has said makes it seem like he (Judge) would be involved with such an incident.

Yup. I was same year, friends "dated" both of them, and every party was a raging drunken bacchanal whether in someone's house in DC, Bethesda, Potomac or Chevy Chase when the parents were away, or at Battery Kemble or field parties.

Mark Judge wrote a book about his teenage alcoholism. That he doesn't recall doesn't mean it didn't happen. Several of us from one of the girls schools think more stories will emerge.

The list of women who signed the letter was not surprising at all. There's already a huge fallout. It's also interesting who was not approached to sign the letter. More to come....

More on Mark Judge, his books, and the character he named “Bart O’Kavanaugh” here:
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/09/brett-kavanaugh-mark-judge-high-school-drunk-allegation-alcohol/

As an aside, how does this guy work as a writer? Do conservative Catholics have lower standards?

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Anonymous wrote:More in the New Yorker. I don't think there is enough for anything to come of it, but it is pretty standard for boys who go to schools like Prep and Landon.

Not only do you think it’s okay to spread rumors that Kavanaugh sexually assaulted someone in high school but now you want to spread rumors that it’s standard behavior for boys at like Landon and Prep to sexually assault girls. Good grief, you are sick. And no, I’m not associated with either of those schools in any way. And I’m a moderate registered Democrat who feels like she’s lost her party.

It’s not rumors, it is allaegations. Perhaps you should actually read the article.

“Allegations” made by some anonymous person who curiously has come out of the woodwork after 30 years. And it doesn’t even sound like she is alleging something illegal. A boy tried to kiss me in high school!!!

Yep. I remember something similar happening to me at that age. I'm not about to dredge it up now, 30 yrs. later. This is beyond idiotic.

Maybe you should. It sounds like you still have some open psychological wounds that haven't healed.

There needs to be far more nuanced view here. A single incident from 30+ years ago should not destroy anyone's life, whether male or female. Being a Democrat, I am no fan of Judge K or of how the Republican Senate treated Garland. I no doubt would vote against him if I were a Senator. But everybody has gone too far here. There is a huge difference between what we think Judge K did today, what Bill did over decades, and then what Donald did over decades. Huge range of behaviors. I do not where the line is, but it is not at zero. Take the Duke lax scandal. As it turns out, the boys did not do what everybody was screaming about. But what is acknowledged is that a college lax team hired a stripper for a team party. That itself is inappropriate, though not illegal. The screaming around that scandal was overblown, and ignored what we know really happened.

Oh look, another one of those "I'm a Democrat but..." posts.

We all know you're a pro- Kavanaugh shill so just cut the crap. An attempted sexual assault is no comparison to hiring a stripper for a party - don't even try to justify it.

My DH went to one of these schools in the early 80's, and partied with this crowd when Prep was known to be the worst of the worst. We know a woman who was approached to sign the "good character" letter and refused. Kavanaugh was the quiet, smart guy who hung back, but watch out when he was drinking. At Yale he was part of drunk boys frat. I have no doubt that other women have stories about him.

DP. And we have no doubt your husband was very much part of that crowd, even if you (and he) pretend he wasn't. See how that works? We just through out a baseless accusation. How does it feel to be married to a rapist?

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My phone's blowing up. Why did Mark Judge delete his Youtube channel?

https://twitter.com/search?q=mark%20judge%20youtube&src=typd

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Anonymous wrote:Why did Feinstein sit on it for so long?

Likely, she sat on it because she knows it's not a really credible accusation but was pressured to do it as a last ditch effort. As a woman, I'm embarrassed for her because it's beneath her usual way of operating and weakens her own credibility.

Nope, she sat on it because she did not want the woman to be made the next Anita Hill against her will. The venom coming from your side makes clear why the woman would want to protect her life and privacy,

DP. Shall we address the venom coming from "your side"? An anonymous letter comes out, and you've already decided Kavanaugh is guilty. That's all it takes - one anonymous accusation, from 30+ years ago, with zero evidence. If a politician is conservative, he's guilty no matter what in your eyes. And you wonder (or you *should* wonder) why no one takes liberals seriously anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:People. Get real. If this happened in high school as described, this girl would not have kept quiet about it. I don't mean she would have pressed charges, but, certainly, other girls would have known about it.

But, even so, even if she thinks she is telling the truth, it just doesn't sound logical. She escaped from two high school boys? Kind of hard to believe. If it is not made of whole cloth, the gal is likely twisting the story.

This happened to me when I was at NCS a few years after Kavanaugh and I told NO ONE. Because I blamed myself for being in the situation in the first place.

I never told anyone about my private school classmate (not in DC) who trapped me in his room where we were supposed to be doing homework and groped me while I kept telling him to stop. This is the first time I've spoken of it. It was 30 years ago.

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Which one is Brett, oops, I mean “Bart”?

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Anonymous wrote:Why did Feinstein sit on it for so long?

Likely, she sat on it because she knows it's not a really credible accusation but was pressured to do it as a last ditch effort. As a woman, I'm embarrassed for her because it's beneath her usual way of operating and weakens her own credibility.

Nope, she sat on it because she did not want the woman to be made the next Anita Hill against her will. The venom coming from your side makes clear why the woman would want to protect her life and privacy,

DP. Shall we address the venom coming from "your side"? An anonymous letter comes out, and you've already decided Kavanaugh is guilty. That's all it takes - one anonymous accusation, from 30+ years ago, with zero evidence. If a politician is conservative, he's guilty no matter what in your eyes. And you wonder (or you *should* wonder) why no one takes liberals seriously anymore.

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And, don’t forget - this accusation came out of the blue after a week of character assassination by the Democrats, loud and obnoxious protests during the hearing, and an attempt to intimidate the nominee with questionnaires that had more questions that previous SCOTUS nominees COMBINED. And, this was all after many Democratic Senators had refused to meet with Kavanaugh and had already publicly stated they would not vote for this nominee.
https://gop.com/dems-yelling-the-loudest-today-are-already-opposed-to-judge-kavanaugh-rsr

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah. I kind of ran with this crowd, am around the same age, and went to one of the big 3 in the DC area. I believe it.

I've seen this exact scenario involved occur in this crowd (both in high school, college, law school, and working in DC as a young attorney) and I'm not shocked this happened (not am I shocked they got a pile of women to deny it because protecting status is way, way more important than protecting people -- See the Andover scandal). I've pulled girlfriends out of situations exactly described by this woman. The loud music is the biggest detail that gives me chills.

I think the thing I find the most compelling is that the woman reported spending years getting mental health treatment to work through this trauma. She probably has those receipts. People don't spend years in therapy talking about being raped and try to heal privately if there isn't a legitimate trauma there. If she was going to pull a stunt, Judge K was running around and previously confirmed for years. There's probably a reason why she brought this out now.

I also think Judge K disclosed this and she was probably contacted during the FBI background check. My guess is that is how this whole thing blew up. The woman in the letter probably felt like she needed to tell her story before someone else did. I imagine the GOP knew as well and got the framework to get those signatures because a woman I know on that list (spilling tea) was contacted quite a bit ago. My friend hasn't come out yet, but she's considering it. She's trying to weigh the professional/personal damage from getting involved.

+1 to the letter. I know people on this list, and they were asked to sign on as a "character witness," but knew nothing of the potential allegations. It was a bait and switch.

Yikes. I hope they make that public.

Original PP. The woman I know was in the same exact position. That's why she's not happy about her name being involved. But she's very, very reluctant because people she knows have talked about how the woman in the letter is going to be destroyed when this is over if anyone leaks her name. The woman I know doesn't want to be pulled into that circus, particularly since they have kids in one of these elite privates, her DH works in DC and her club and community are involved.

My guess is she doesn't say anything. The only reason I knew was that she mentioned the letter to me well before the hearings. She was actually excited to support him, fwiw until she realized her name was being used in this context.

Do you write fiction for a living? That's some tall tale you're spinning! Give it a rest - multiple news sources have reported that these women organized the signatures in ONE day - right after the letter was made public.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/chrisgeidner/brett-kavanaugh-allegations-women-letter-chuck-grassley
https://www.vox.com/2018/9/14/17860488/brett-kavanaugh-sexual-assault-georgetown-prep-defense

Also, it's remarkable that you're more suspicious of a letter from ACTUAL PEOPLE in support of Kavanaugh, than an ANONYMOUS accusation from "someone" who refuses to come forward. Very telling indeed.

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Anonymous wrote:More in the New Yorker. I don't think there is enough for anything to come of it, but it is pretty standard for boys who go to schools like Prep and Landon.

Not only do you think it’s okay to spread rumors that Kavanaugh sexually assaulted someone in high school but now you want to spread rumors that it’s standard behavior for boys at like Landon and Prep to sexually assault girls. Good grief, you are sick. And no, I’m not associated with either of those schools in any way. And I’m a moderate registered Democrat who feels like she’s lost her party.

It’s not rumors, it is allaegations. Perhaps you should actually read the article.

“Allegations” made by some anonymous person who curiously has come out of the woodwork after 30 years. And it doesn’t even sound like she is alleging something illegal. A boy tried to kiss me in high school!!!

Yep. I remember something similar happening to me at that age. I'm not about to dredge it up now, 30 yrs. later. This is beyond idiotic.

Maybe you should. It sounds like you still have some open psychological wounds that haven't healed.

There needs to be far more nuanced view here. A single incident from 30+ years ago should not destroy anyone's life, whether male or female. Being a Democrat, I am no fan of Judge K or of how the Republican Senate treated Garland. I no doubt would vote against him if I were a Senator. But everybody has gone too far here. There is a huge difference between what we think Judge K did today, what Bill did over decades, and then what Donald did over decades. Huge range of behaviors. I do not where the line is, but it is not at zero. Take the Duke lax scandal. As it turns out, the boys did not do what everybody was screaming about. But what is acknowledged is that a college lax team hired a stripper for a team party. That itself is inappropriate, though not illegal. The screaming around that scandal was overblown, and ignored what we know really happened.

Oh look, another one of those "I'm a Democrat but..." posts.

We all know you're a pro- Kavanaugh shill so just cut the crap. An attempted sexual assault is no comparison to hiring a stripper for a party - don't even try to justify it.

My DH went to one of these schools in the early 80's, and partied with this crowd when Prep was known to be the worst of the worst. We know a woman who was approached to sign the "good character" letter and refused. Kavanaugh was the quiet, smart guy who hung back, but watch out when he was drinking. At Yale he was part of drunk boys frat. I have no doubt that other women have stories about him.

And presumably you would have voted not only to impeach Bill but to convict Bill. Same with Franken? What about Ellison from MN? Same? BTW. I am local as well (Big 3) and knew/know many GP guys. And what about the "mean" girls who mistreat their classmates? How should that behavior affect their careers, 30 years later? What about the high school kid who "borrowed" something from a store in a single incident? Or forgot to pay for my drinks at a bar? Get real! Frankly, someone who has done nothing stupid or wrong over 30 plus years would worry me more.

DP. So you're not really a Democrat, you were just posing as one?

Sounds like just another Trump troll trying to pretend attempted sexual assault is the same thing as mean girl behavior or shoplifting.

Nope. I am a confirmed Democrat. Voted Democratic in over 95%, in all elections. Occasional $ contributor to Democrats. Federal and state. Most everybody who knows me knows that I am a Democrat. Worked on a few D campaigns. Sorry. My question is should Bill have been convicted in the Senate? What he did was far worse and lasted for decades. Should Franken have resigned? And what about Senator Kennedy? What we know NOW about Judge K is that he did something stupid in high school. There is no even allegations NOW that, unlike Bill or even Donald, this behavior was regular and ongoing, whether physical or verbal. I ask again what about the "mean" girl treatment that daughters of my friends have received around town. And I know that some of the girls that moved in these same circles with Judge K fell into that "mean" character. Sorry. I was in those circles. Attended 2 of Big 5.

DP. Correction regarding the bolded: we know nothing of the sort. An anonymous accusation with zero evidence means nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:An anonymous accusation is not the same as credible. You get that, right?

FBI rolls eyes, says whatever and tucks claim away in a folder. Done.

Now, time to vote.

Yep, still putting their hand over womens' mouths, 35 years later.

This anonymous accuser needs to have the coursge to stand up for women or keep her mouth shut herself. This anonymous bullshit only hurts women.

Couldn't agree more. I have no patience with "anonymous" anyone.
- a woman

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Anonymous wrote:An anonymous accusation is not the same as credible. You get that, right?

FBI rolls eyes, says whatever and tucks claim away in a folder. Done.

Now, time to vote.

Yep, still putting their hand over womens' mouths, 35 years later.

This anonymous accuser needs to have the coursge to stand up for women or keep her mouth shut herself. This anonymous bullshit only hurts women.

Couldn't agree more. I have no patience with "anonymous" anyone.
- a woman

She will go public on Monday. I'm sure it's being coordinated this weekend.

Too many people know who she is, so she will come forward...on her own terms rather than being outed.

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Anonymous wrote:An anonymous accusation is not the same as credible. You get that, right?

FBI rolls eyes, says whatever and tucks claim away in a folder. Done.

Now, time to vote.

Absolutely. The Democrats cannot be rewarded for pulling eleventh hour dirty moves like this. They need to learn this kind of crap will not be tolerated. Take the vote as scheduled.

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I can't even believe there was a time when I voted Democrat. And to the troll who will predictably respond that I was "never a Democrat," you know nothing. I mean NOTHING.

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Also, it's remarkable that you're more suspicious of a letter from ACTUAL PEOPLE in support of Kavanaugh, than an ANONYMOUS accusation from "someone" who refuses to come forward. Very telling indeed.

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