Cop Suspended After Video Emerges Of Brutal Arrests At Teen Pool Party (In McKinney Texas)

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Plus, if it is not illegal to run your mouth, why did Casebolt grab the girl? Please to explain!?

Actually, most of us are baffled. Casebolt is the one who needs to explain. His boss described his actions as "indefensible" so I imagine there wasn't a very good reason.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You do know that all posted accounts of that fight say that the WOMAN assaulted the girl.
Yea -- so what consequences should she get?

It turns out the woman is getting some consequences -- though it may just turn out to be paid leave. She was just placed on administrative leave by here employer:

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2015/06/teen-who-mckinney-officer-pulled-gun-on-questions-why-he-was-arrested.html/

"CoreLogic does not condone violence, discrimination or harassment and takes conduct that is inconsistent with our values and expectations very seriously," her employer, CoreLogic, said in a statement Tuesday. "As a result of these pending allegations, we have placed the employee in question on administrative leave while further investigations take place."

Though, I have to admit to not being enthusiastic about employees being punished for what they did on their personal time.

Oh I know this happened. I was asking that particular pp she/he thinks should happen to the woman, as it seems she thinks she was the victim in the fight.

[Anonymous]

Some of you people are so naive when it comes to media coverage.
Law enforcement officers have thousands of interactions with the public EVERY DAY.
The vast majority end with no incident.
These don’t get any press coverage because it doesn’t make for good viewership/readership.
The few incidents cited here are not the norm.
Yes, when police officers act badly, they should be held accountable.
But, once again, there are people who are condemning most law enforcement officers for actions of a VERY SMALL MINORITY.
As a result, we have many youth and young adults who are uncooperative and outright disrespectful and this behavior is excused and in some cases, applauded by way too many people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of you people are so naive when it comes to media coverage.
Law enforcement officers have thousands of interactions with the public EVERY DAY.
The vast majority end with no incident.
These don’t get any press coverage because it doesn’t make for good viewership/readership.
The few incidents cited here are not the norm.
Yes, when police officers act badly, they should be held accountable.
But, once again, there are people who are condemning most law enforcement officers for actions of a VERY SMALL MINORITY.
As a result, we have many youth and young adults who are uncooperative and outright disrespectful and this behavior is excused and in some cases, applauded by way too many people.

No....people (especially in this thread) are condemning ONE police officer. In fact, many of us are praising the other 10+ officers at his particular scene who stayed under control!

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't care about the race or SES of anybody in this situation, I just think everybody that was part of the problem should have consequences.

How do you know which kids deserve which consequences (and what consequences)? Some of the kids had passes and did nothing wrong by going to the pool. Some apparently came to the general area, but didn't enter the pool with or without permission. Some seem to have jumped the fence to the pool. I don't see where members of the first two groups deserve any consequences given they were simply caught up in a larger event. But, if I accept that the members of the third group deserve consequences, can they even be identified? If so, what is the consequence for jumping a fence to a pool? Basically, that's the sort of thing that normally gets you a stern talking to.

I don't but that is the job of investigators. There is an investigation.
Of course, kids that were invited would not have consequences, unless they assaulted somebody.
Jumping the fence ... not really much you can do about that, maybe let parents know so they can deal with their own child, I would want to know. I work and if my teen is getting in trouble while I am working, maybe he needs to work too.
Organizing a flash party, there should be some consequence, not sure of the laws in TX, maybe a fine and some community service.

I just think there should be a consequence for organizing a flash party and assaulting people.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Plus, if it is not illegal to run your mouth, why did Casebolt grab the girl? Please to explain!?

Actually, most of us are baffled. Casebolt is the one who needs to explain. His boss described his actions as "indefensible" so I imagine there wasn't a very good reason.

Sure, maybe we know that now. But a boss (chief) should not publicly admonish a person before they know the facts. It was irresponsible of the chief, it ended up being in his favor, but he did not know that when he made those statements.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of you people are so naive when it comes to media coverage.
Law enforcement officers have thousands of interactions with the public EVERY DAY.
The vast majority end with no incident.
These don’t get any press coverage because it doesn’t make for good viewership/readership.
The few incidents cited here are not the norm.
Yes, when police officers act badly, they should be held accountable.
But, once again, there are people who are condemning most law enforcement officers for actions of a VERY SMALL MINORITY.
As a result, we have many youth and young adults who are uncooperative and outright disrespectful and this behavior is excused and in some cases, applauded by way too many people.

Bill O'Reilly is that you? You truly believe that kids are disrespectful because they saw news reports about bad cops? Seriously????
How do you know how many police interactions are by the book and above board? The ones that have been in the news recently have been so because of video evidence. Do you think those incidents would not magically exist if there were not video evidence of them? Really? Just because it is not in the news does not mean it did not Furthermore, what a lot of people are calling for is INSTITUTIONAL change, calling for an overhaul of a system of training, retention and discipline of police officers so that the corrupt ones can be rooted out so as to protect the public AND their fellow officers. Police should be held to the highest standard. EVERYONE should want them to be well-trained and of the highest moral character. For people to assume that every person who goes into the police academy is automatically of the finest character and highly skilled is extremely naive. I have enough sense to know that idiots graduate from medical school, law school, get teaching certificates and become cops. You must know a lot of geniuses to think that by virtue of being a cop that means you know what you are doing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't care about the race or SES of anybody in this situation, I just think everybody that was part of the problem should have consequences.

How do you know which kids deserve which consequences (and what consequences)? Some of the kids had passes and did nothing wrong by going to the pool. Some apparently came to the general area, but didn't enter the pool with or without permission. Some seem to have jumped the fence to the pool. I don't see where members of the first two groups deserve any consequences given they were simply caught up in a larger event. But, if I accept that the members of the third group deserve consequences, can they even be identified? If so, what is the consequence for jumping a fence to a pool? Basically, that's the sort of thing that normally gets you a stern talking to.

I don't but that is the job of investigators. There is an investigation.
Of course, kids that were invited would not have consequences, unless they assaulted somebody.
Jumping the fence ... not really much you can do about that, maybe let parents know so they can deal with their own child, I would want to know. I work and if my teen is getting in trouble while I am working, maybe he needs to work too.
Organizing a flash party, there should be some consequence, not sure of the laws in TX, maybe a fine and some community service.

I just think there should be a consequence for organizing a flash party and assaulting people.

The girl who was assaulted by Casebolt was at the pool on a guest pass and had not assaulted anyone. She was standing with her friends. She was asked to leave. She made a smart remark. She was attacked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't care about the race or SES of anybody in this situation, I just think everybody that was part of the problem should have consequences.

How do you know which kids deserve which consequences (and what consequences)? Some of the kids had passes and did nothing wrong by going to the pool. Some apparently came to the general area, but didn't enter the pool with or without permission. Some seem to have jumped the fence to the pool. I don't see where members of the first two groups deserve any consequences given they were simply caught up in a larger event. But, if I accept that the members of the third group deserve consequences, can they even be identified? If so, what is the consequence for jumping a fence to a pool? Basically, that's the sort of thing that normally gets you a stern talking to.

I don't but that is the job of investigators. There is an investigation.
Of course, kids that were invited would not have consequences, unless they assaulted somebody.
Jumping the fence ... not really much you can do about that, maybe let parents know so they can deal with their own child, I would want to know. I work and if my teen is getting in trouble while I am working, maybe he needs to work too.
Organizing a flash party, there should be some consequence, not sure of the laws in TX, maybe a fine and some community service.

I just think there should be a consequence for organizing a flash party and assaulting people.

What teen assaulted someone?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So if your child had a friend who was a minority, you would not invite that child to a party because there is "potential" trouble inviting that kid to a private pool? See...here is the issue. I do not see what trouble could arise other than some busybody making a comment. Which, if this is my child's friend, I will stand up and respond to. I do not care what color they are. What kind of example are you setting for your child? Keep quiet if one of your friends is treated unjustly? You may be able to live in peace, but your child is the one who is going to have to face her friend everyday in school. And these are just children! No way I would put my own child or her friend through that. Belonging to "the club" is just not that important to me (and I DO belong to a private pool that, thankfully, has a number of AA families).

This is where we part. I don't have a private pool. I don't belong to a private club. I live among many black people, not 'a number of AA families'. Where I stand, it's more important to keep your nose clean and avoid any blemish on your personal record the best way you can. We, the great unwashed, have to keep it real. We don't have lawyers on retainer to deal with potential civil suits from angry moms of allegedly mistreated kids.

I oversee a very diverse group of people at work. Racial conflict is not common, but it surfaces once in a while. Not once have I heard a substantiated claim from a black employee who complained about 'racism'. I have to deal with the fallout, because it's my job. But I want to spare my kid this insanity. Go ahead, judge and label me all you want; it is irrelevant to me. Because my child is a white male, it doesn't matter what he does or doesn't do. When push comes to shove, he will be deemed the root of all evil by default. I have to teach my child to stay away for his own sake. I have seen too many lives practically ruined over false allegations. My child deserves better.

I am the PP here and I respect your honesty. TBH, if you were a parent in my circle, this would break my heart. What you are implictly doing is discouraging your son from having any meaningful social interaction with folks of other backgrounds because of fear about something that likely will not even happen. Your son DOES deserve better - he deserves to be able to have friends based on what type of people they are, shared common interests and genuine friendship. You are burdening him with YOUR prejudices and biases. I am not judging you and you are labelling yourself. You think you are helping your son and saving him from something. I disagree. I think you are denying him an opportunity because of your own issues.

I agree with these sentiments. My daughter has a very close friend (elementary school) whose parent carries a lot of her own baggage and appears to projecting it onto her child. I don't want my kid around that kind of ugliness so we are gently but purposefully steering her away. The children are the the ones who lose out, but I am also making sure my daughter is socializing with plenty of other kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Plus, if it is not illegal to run your mouth, why did Casebolt grab the girl? Please to explain!?

Actually, most of us are baffled. Casebolt is the one who needs to explain. His boss described his actions as "indefensible" so I imagine there wasn't a very good reason.

Sure, maybe we know that now. But a boss (chief) should not publicly admonish a person before they know the facts. It was irresponsible of the chief, it ended up being in his favor, but he did not know that when he made those statements.

Huh? I am sure that he spoke to other officers on the scence before he made that statement. Come on!

Y'all talk about accoutability, but want to absolve this guy and blame other people for his actions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of you people are so naive when it comes to media coverage.
Law enforcement officers have thousands of interactions with the public EVERY DAY.
The vast majority end with no incident.
These don’t get any press coverage because it doesn’t make for good viewership/readership.
The few incidents cited here are not the norm.
[/b]Yes, when police officers act badly, they should be held accountable.
But, once again, there are people who are condemning most law enforcement officers for actions of a VERY SMALL MINORITY.
As a result, we have many youth and young adults who are uncooperative and outright disrespectful and this behavior is excused and in some cases, applauded by way too many people.[b]

Totally agree with this. The girl did not deserve the brutality from the police officer. He completely overreacted and was in the wrong in this case, but I also don't know why people think it's okay to mouth-off to authority, particularly the police. The cop was obviously highly-stressed and ill-prepared to handle the situation. However, people of every color need to sit down and be quiet when an officer tells you to do something. Or walk away like he told her to do. Period. He's got a gun. It's a highly stressful situation. It could escalate into something much more tragic quickly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't care about the race or SES of anybody in this situation, I just think everybody that was part of the problem should have consequences.

How do you know which kids deserve which consequences (and what consequences)? Some of the kids had passes and did nothing wrong by going to the pool. Some apparently came to the general area, but didn't enter the pool with or without permission. Some seem to have jumped the fence to the pool. I don't see where members of the first two groups deserve any consequences given they were simply caught up in a larger event. But, if I accept that the members of the third group deserve consequences, can they even be identified? If so, what is the consequence for jumping a fence to a pool? Basically, that's the sort of thing that normally gets you a stern talking to.

I don't but that is the job of investigators. There is an investigation.
Of course, kids that were invited would not have consequences, unless they assaulted somebody.
Jumping the fence ... not really much you can do about that, maybe let parents know so they can deal with their own child, I would want to know. I work and if my teen is getting in trouble while I am working, maybe he needs to work too.
Organizing a flash party, there should be some consequence, not sure of the laws in TX, maybe a fine and some community service.

I just think there should be a consequence for organizing a flash party and assaulting people.

What teen assaulted someone?

It is in some of the videos. There are several videos you know, not just the one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Plus, if it is not illegal to run your mouth, why did Casebolt grab the girl? Please to explain!?

Actually, most of us are baffled. Casebolt is the one who needs to explain. His boss described his actions as "indefensible" so I imagine there wasn't a very good reason.

Sure, maybe we know that now. But a boss (chief) should not publicly admonish a person before they know the facts. It was irresponsible of the chief, it ended up being in his favor, but he did not know that when he made those statements.

Huh? I am sure that he spoke to other officers on the scence before he made that statement. Come on!

Y'all talk about accoutability, but want to absolve this guy and blame other people for his actions.

Is that your definition of "investigation". UGH! I did not absolve the guy, i think in general law enforcement need to do investigations before making statements to the media.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you people are so naive when it comes to media coverage.
Law enforcement officers have thousands of interactions with the public EVERY DAY.
The vast majority end with no incident.
These don’t get any press coverage because it doesn’t make for good viewership/readership.
The few incidents cited here are not the norm.
[/b]Yes, when police officers act badly, they should be held accountable.
But, once again, there are people who are condemning most law enforcement officers for actions of a VERY SMALL MINORITY.
As a result, we have many youth and young adults who are uncooperative and outright disrespectful and this behavior is excused and in some cases, applauded by way too many people.

Totally agree with this. The girl did not deserve the brutality from the police officer. He completely overreacted and was in the wrong in this case, but I also don't know why people think it's okay to mouth-off to authority, particularly the police. The cop was obviously highly-stressed and ill-prepared to handle the situation. However, people of every color need to sit down and be quiet when an officer tells you to do something. [b]Or walk away like he told her to do. Period. He's got a gun. It's a highly stressful situation. It could escalate into something much more tragic quickly.

Oh.my.god.

SHE WAS WALKING AWAY LIKE HE TOLD HER TO DO.