Why do staunch republicans hate electric vehicles?

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Anonymous wrote:It's literally big oil propaganda, pumped into bumpkin's heads by right wing radio, TV, podcast, social, and print media -- as well as right wing social media influencers (prostitutes for sale).

I just looked at rentals out of DCA(Hertz for the lol) for today, and the two cheapest options were EVs. You have to pay 50% more for the cheapest gas car. Why would electric rentals be so cheap at the closest airport to the city with the best educated, most EV loving population in the country? I can think of no reason but having to deal with charging.

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Anonymous wrote:We don’t hate EVs.
We hate mandates especially when they come at a high cost.

This.

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Anyone else notice how cheap EV rentals are? They often are cheaper than whatever compact car is available on the lot. Are they so cheap because the rental companies don't charge them?

I honestly thought daily rentals would be one of the few places EVs would make sense, but the prices seem to indicate otherwise.


Yes! We rented a Tesla in Canada and it was dirt cheap. Fun experience but what a pita finding charging stations, and it shocked me how slow it is to charge. We sat in supermarket parking lots a lot.

You probably were not using the Tesla superchargers. Also, were you using the navigation system? It automatically shows you where and when to supercharge and it preconditions the engine so that you have faster charging. We went on a road trip out west (2 weeks) in a Tesla. We did not have a problem.

It’s funny when people like PP who rented a Tesla on vacation post. It seems like they either didn’t drive a Tesla or didn’t take any time to learn about the car they rented, because they’re complaining about it lacking features that are available.

They’re just repeating those old talking points. It’s impossible to find a charging station, except if they’d even googled how to find one, they’d find instructions for how to get the car to give you turn by turn directions, a plethora of websites with maps and helpful hints, and apps that give directions for it.

I posted that and yes, we were obviously using the navigation system! And there were not superchargers everywhere. This site is amazing in assuming people are total morons who didn't think of the obvious...

As a relatively new EV owner, I have found that owning an EV is a lifestyle. Hence, it is not ideal for those who have not adopted, or are not prepared to adopt, the lifestyle. For those new to EVs, sitting in supermarket parking lots is an unwanted inconvenience. For those who have adopted the lifestyle, it is a planned bathroom break and maybe a chance to eat. It generally takes more planning than driving an ICE car. I would never go anywhere new without pre-planning stops and having backup alternatives in mind. This will all improve with time, and also varies geographically. But right now you have to be pretty committed to EVs if you are going to do anything out of the ordinary with them. However, they are nearly perfect for a daily commute, especially if you have a home charger.

That's assuming you have a home - not apartment or condo.

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Anonymous wrote:We don’t hate EVs.
We hate mandates especially when they come at a high cost.

This.

Yes we need to support the whip and buggy industry! New things are bad and scare us! We just like the subsidies and mandates for the oil and gas industry! Without subsidies and mandates for the oil and gas industry we would all be paying roughly $12.75 per gallon for gasoline. Do you want to look up the subsidies that gas powered cars get? Guess not because it would make your whole argument specious. Though specious arguments are your thing.

All hail and worship Trump!

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Anonymous wrote:It's literally big oil propaganda, pumped into bumpkin's heads by right wing radio, TV, podcast, social, and print media -- as well as right wing social media influencers (prostitutes for sale).

I just looked at rentals out of DCA(Hertz for the lol) for today, and the two cheapest options were EVs. You have to pay 50% more for the cheapest gas car. Why would electric rentals be so cheap at the closest airport to the city with the best educated, most EV loving population in the country? I can think of no reason but having to deal with charging.

Are you really this thick? Why would business travelers and vacationers want the headache of searching for public chargers? EVs are for people who own homes and can charge while they sleep. If you have to rely on public chargers, or you're on vacation or traveling for work, not worth the annoyance at all.

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Anonymous wrote:It's literally big oil propaganda, pumped into bumpkin's heads by right wing radio, TV, podcast, social, and print media -- as well as right wing social media influencers (prostitutes for sale).

I just looked at rentals out of DCA(Hertz for the lol) for today, and the two cheapest options were EVs. You have to pay 50% more for the cheapest gas car. Why would electric rentals be so cheap at the closest airport to the city with the best educated, most EV loving population in the country? I can think of no reason but having to deal with charging.

Are you really this thick? Why would business travelers and vacationers want the headache of searching for public chargers? EVs are for people who own homes and can charge while they sleep. If you have to rely on public chargers, or you're on vacation or traveling for work, not worth the annoyance at all.

That was entirely the point. EVs are such headaches to use, that even in an area they should thrive, they are struggling. EVs should be rental fleet darlings, as they seem purpose built for high-mileage use for 1-2 years in an urban area. The fact that they fail here, and are primarily being used as commuter vehicles shows the larger problem.

That being, that in an urban area, you don't need an EV to do a "green" commute. You can walk, bike, ride the bus/train. The 5,000 pound EV ends up being used a lot like a Vespa would be except without the longevity. That's not good for the environment locally or globally.

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I don't know, they seem happy to hang out with Elon Musk and take his Tesla money.

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Anonymous wrote:It's literally big oil propaganda, pumped into bumpkin's heads by right wing radio, TV, podcast, social, and print media -- as well as right wing social media influencers (prostitutes for sale).

I just looked at rentals out of DCA(Hertz for the lol) for today, and the two cheapest options were EVs. You have to pay 50% more for the cheapest gas car. Why would electric rentals be so cheap at the closest airport to the city with the best educated, most EV loving population in the country? I can think of no reason but having to deal with charging.

Are you really this thick? Why would business travelers and vacationers want the headache of searching for public chargers? EVs are for people who own homes and can charge while they sleep. If you have to rely on public chargers, or you're on vacation or traveling for work, not worth the annoyance at all.

That was entirely the point. EVs are such headaches to use, that even in an area they should thrive, they are struggling. EVs should be rental fleet darlings, as they seem purpose built for high-mileage use for 1-2 years in an urban area. The fact that they fail here, and are primarily being used as commuter vehicles shows the larger problem.

That being, that in an urban area, you don't need an EV to do a "green" commute. You can walk, bike, ride the bus/train. The 5,000 pound EV ends up being used a lot like a Vespa would be except without the longevity. That's not good for the environment locally or globally.

New poster. I think you missed PP’s point - I don’t think EV’s are great rental options because people renting a car an at airport most likely aren’t familiar with the surrounding area. I love my EV, but I wouldn’t choose to rent one now in an unfamiliar location - having to research where chargers are when I just want to get from the airport to my final destination is not worth the hassle. But for my daily commute, with a charger at home, it’s perfect!

That said, I don’t care what anyone else does - so I feel like it’s weird that folks get all charged up (ha, ha) over other people owning EVs.

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Anonymous wrote:It's literally big oil propaganda, pumped into bumpkin's heads by right wing radio, TV, podcast, social, and print media -- as well as right wing social media influencers (prostitutes for sale).

I just looked at rentals out of DCA(Hertz for the lol) for today, and the two cheapest options were EVs. You have to pay 50% more for the cheapest gas car. Why would electric rentals be so cheap at the closest airport to the city with the best educated, most EV loving population in the country? I can think of no reason but having to deal with charging.

Are you really this thick? Why would business travelers and vacationers want the headache of searching for public chargers? EVs are for people who own homes and can charge while they sleep. If you have to rely on public chargers, or you're on vacation or traveling for work, not worth the annoyance at all.

That was entirely the point. EVs are such headaches to use, that even in an area they should thrive, they are struggling. EVs should be rental fleet darlings, as they seem purpose built for high-mileage use for 1-2 years in an urban area. The fact that they fail here, and are primarily being used as commuter vehicles shows the larger problem.

That being, that in an urban area, you don't need an EV to do a "green" commute. You can walk, bike, ride the bus/train. The 5,000 pound EV ends up being used a lot like a Vespa would be except without the longevity. That's not good for the environment locally or globally.

New poster. I think you missed PP’s point - I don’t think EV’s are great rental options because people renting a car an at airport most likely aren’t familiar with the surrounding area. I love my EV, but I wouldn’t choose to rent one now in an unfamiliar location - having to research where chargers are when I just want to get from the airport to my final destination is not worth the hassle. But for my daily commute, with a charger at home, it’s perfect!

That said, I don’t care what anyone else does - so I feel like it’s weird that folks get all charged up (ha, ha) over other people owning EVs.

We're probably talking past each other here, but one of my points is that EVs as a commuter vehicle basically shows the failure of this generation of EVs. That's simply because those EVs are doing ICE like duty cycles without ICE like longevity. This is how you get something like a 2017 Leaf with 34,000 miles on it that is practically cooked. EVs are far too resource intensive to make sense as low mileage commuters. They need to be ridden hard in something like a fleet or taxi service before their battery degrades somewhere in years 5-10.

That or we just need to admit that people like to use Ludicrous mode to dart into parking lanes and pass people at lights. We can then stop pretending EVs are green and just view them as muscle cars for dorks.

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Anonymous wrote:It's literally big oil propaganda, pumped into bumpkin's heads by right wing radio, TV, podcast, social, and print media -- as well as right wing social media influencers (prostitutes for sale).

I just looked at rentals out of DCA(Hertz for the lol) for today, and the two cheapest options were EVs. You have to pay 50% more for the cheapest gas car. Why would electric rentals be so cheap at the closest airport to the city with the best educated, most EV loving population in the country? I can think of no reason but having to deal with charging.

Are you really this thick? Why would business travelers and vacationers want the headache of searching for public chargers? EVs are for people who own homes and can charge while they sleep. If you have to rely on public chargers, or you're on vacation or traveling for work, not worth the annoyance at all.

That was entirely the point. EVs are such headaches to use, that even in an area they should thrive, they are struggling. EVs should be rental fleet darlings, as they seem purpose built for high-mileage use for 1-2 years in an urban area. The fact that they fail here, and are primarily being used as commuter vehicles shows the larger problem.

That being, that in an urban area, you don't need an EV to do a "green" commute. You can walk, bike, ride the bus/train. The 5,000 pound EV ends up being used a lot like a Vespa would be except without the longevity. That's not good for the environment locally or globally.

You’re a right wing troll purposely conflating car ownership with car renters. People rent cars when traveling away from home. EV owners charge at home over 90 if not 95% of the time. If you’re working or on holiday away from home, you’re not going to bother with public chargers and uncertainty.

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Anonymous wrote:It's literally big oil propaganda, pumped into bumpkin's heads by right wing radio, TV, podcast, social, and print media -- as well as right wing social media influencers (prostitutes for sale).

I just looked at rentals out of DCA(Hertz for the lol) for today, and the two cheapest options were EVs. You have to pay 50% more for the cheapest gas car. Why would electric rentals be so cheap at the closest airport to the city with the best educated, most EV loving population in the country? I can think of no reason but having to deal with charging.

Are you really this thick? Why would business travelers and vacationers want the headache of searching for public chargers? EVs are for people who own homes and can charge while they sleep. If you have to rely on public chargers, or you're on vacation or traveling for work, not worth the annoyance at all.

That was entirely the point. EVs are such headaches to use, that even in an area they should thrive, they are struggling. EVs should be rental fleet darlings, as they seem purpose built for high-mileage use for 1-2 years in an urban area. The fact that they fail here, and are primarily being used as commuter vehicles shows the larger problem.

That being, that in an urban area, you don't need an EV to do a "green" commute. You can walk, bike, ride the bus/train. The 5,000 pound EV ends up being used a lot like a Vespa would be except without the longevity. That's not good for the environment locally or globally.

New poster. I think you missed PP’s point - I don’t think EV’s are great rental options because people renting a car an at airport most likely aren’t familiar with the surrounding area. I love my EV, but I wouldn’t choose to rent one now in an unfamiliar location - having to research where chargers are when I just want to get from the airport to my final destination is not worth the hassle. But for my daily commute, with a charger at home, it’s perfect!

That said, I don’t care what anyone else does - so I feel like it’s weird that folks get all charged up (ha, ha) over other people owning EVs.

We're probably talking past each other here, but one of my points is that EVs as a commuter vehicle basically shows the failure of this generation of EVs. That's simply because those EVs are doing ICE like duty cycles without ICE like longevity. This is how you get something like a 2017 Leaf with 34,000 miles on it that is practically cooked. EVs are far too resource intensive to make sense as low mileage commuters. They need to be ridden hard in something like a fleet or taxi service before their battery degrades somewhere in years 5-10.

That or we just need to admit that people like to use Ludicrous mode to dart into parking lanes and pass people at lights. We can then stop pretending EVs are green and just view them as muscle cars for dorks.

Wow you just continue with this lie. EV last 15-20 years and that includes the battery. That is longer vs ICE. So your whole arguments is bullsh#t.

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Anonymous wrote:It's literally big oil propaganda, pumped into bumpkin's heads by right wing radio, TV, podcast, social, and print media -- as well as right wing social media influencers (prostitutes for sale).

I just looked at rentals out of DCA(Hertz for the lol) for today, and the two cheapest options were EVs. You have to pay 50% more for the cheapest gas car. Why would electric rentals be so cheap at the closest airport to the city with the best educated, most EV loving population in the country? I can think of no reason but having to deal with charging.

Are you really this thick? Why would business travelers and vacationers want the headache of searching for public chargers? EVs are for people who own homes and can charge while they sleep. If you have to rely on public chargers, or you're on vacation or traveling for work, not worth the annoyance at all.

That was entirely the point. EVs are such headaches to use, that even in an area they should thrive, they are struggling. EVs should be rental fleet darlings, as they seem purpose built for high-mileage use for 1-2 years in an urban area. The fact that they fail here, and are primarily being used as commuter vehicles shows the larger problem.

That being, that in an urban area, you don't need an EV to do a "green" commute. You can walk, bike, ride the bus/train. The 5,000 pound EV ends up being used a lot like a Vespa would be except without the longevity. That's not good for the environment locally or globally.

You’re a right wing troll purposely conflating car ownership with car renters. People rent cars when traveling away from home. EV owners charge at home over 90 if not 95% of the time. If you’re working or on holiday away from home, you’re not going to bother with public chargers and uncertainty.

You're being purposely obtuse. EVs currently fail in both the rental and purchase markets. They fail in the rental market because of the uncertainty of charging. They fail in the purchase market because the vast majority of buyers want to use them as they would an ICE and they are not built for that. That's why most EVs are junk by the time they have 50,000 miles on them.

The people actually buying EVs are the type of people that live in Chevy Chase and work Downtown. For such a use case, EVs are just one of many possible ways to get to work. EVs also happen to be among the least green solutions. People pushing EVs should be encouraging these people to take public transit instead. That would actually be green. A Vespa would handle that commute easily as well. It might even get you there faster than the Tesla.

In short EVs are "paper straw" tier environmentalism. That would be fine if it were just individuals deciding they want EVs, but you have groups like CARB with its 100% zero-emission-vehicle target by 2035. That's just not going to work, and has to be pushed back on.

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Anonymous wrote:It's literally big oil propaganda, pumped into bumpkin's heads by right wing radio, TV, podcast, social, and print media -- as well as right wing social media influencers (prostitutes for sale).

I just looked at rentals out of DCA(Hertz for the lol) for today, and the two cheapest options were EVs. You have to pay 50% more for the cheapest gas car. Why would electric rentals be so cheap at the closest airport to the city with the best educated, most EV loving population in the country? I can think of no reason but having to deal with charging.

Are you really this thick? Why would business travelers and vacationers want the headache of searching for public chargers? EVs are for people who own homes and can charge while they sleep. If you have to rely on public chargers, or you're on vacation or traveling for work, not worth the annoyance at all.

That was entirely the point. EVs are such headaches to use, that even in an area they should thrive, they are struggling. EVs should be rental fleet darlings, as they seem purpose built for high-mileage use for 1-2 years in an urban area. The fact that they fail here, and are primarily being used as commuter vehicles shows the larger problem.

That being, that in an urban area, you don't need an EV to do a "green" commute. You can walk, bike, ride the bus/train. The 5,000 pound EV ends up being used a lot like a Vespa would be except without the longevity. That's not good for the environment locally or globally.

New poster. I think you missed PP’s point - I don’t think EV’s are great rental options because people renting a car an at airport most likely aren’t familiar with the surrounding area. I love my EV, but I wouldn’t choose to rent one now in an unfamiliar location - having to research where chargers are when I just want to get from the airport to my final destination is not worth the hassle. But for my daily commute, with a charger at home, it’s perfect!

That said, I don’t care what anyone else does - so I feel like it’s weird that folks get all charged up (ha, ha) over other people owning EVs.

We're probably talking past each other here, but one of my points is that EVs as a commuter vehicle basically shows the failure of this generation of EVs. That's simply because those EVs are doing ICE like duty cycles without ICE like longevity. This is how you get something like a 2017 Leaf with 34,000 miles on it that is practically cooked. EVs are far too resource intensive to make sense as low mileage commuters. They need to be ridden hard in something like a fleet or taxi service before their battery degrades somewhere in years 5-10.

That or we just need to admit that people like to use Ludicrous mode to dart into parking lanes and pass people at lights. We can then stop pretending EVs are green and just view them as muscle cars for dorks.

Wow you just continue with this lie. EV last 15-20 years and that includes the battery. That is longer vs ICE. So your whole arguments is bullsh#t.

Show me a 15-20 year old EV.

[jsteele]

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Anonymous wrote:It's literally big oil propaganda, pumped into bumpkin's heads by right wing radio, TV, podcast, social, and print media -- as well as right wing social media influencers (prostitutes for sale).

I just looked at rentals out of DCA(Hertz for the lol) for today, and the two cheapest options were EVs. You have to pay 50% more for the cheapest gas car. Why would electric rentals be so cheap at the closest airport to the city with the best educated, most EV loving population in the country? I can think of no reason but having to deal with charging.

Are you really this thick? Why would business travelers and vacationers want the headache of searching for public chargers? EVs are for people who own homes and can charge while they sleep. If you have to rely on public chargers, or you're on vacation or traveling for work, not worth the annoyance at all.

That was entirely the point. EVs are such headaches to use, that even in an area they should thrive, they are struggling. EVs should be rental fleet darlings, as they seem purpose built for high-mileage use for 1-2 years in an urban area. The fact that they fail here, and are primarily being used as commuter vehicles shows the larger problem.

That being, that in an urban area, you don't need an EV to do a "green" commute. You can walk, bike, ride the bus/train. The 5,000 pound EV ends up being used a lot like a Vespa would be except without the longevity. That's not good for the environment locally or globally.

New poster. I think you missed PP’s point - I don’t think EV’s are great rental options because people renting a car an at airport most likely aren’t familiar with the surrounding area. I love my EV, but I wouldn’t choose to rent one now in an unfamiliar location - having to research where chargers are when I just want to get from the airport to my final destination is not worth the hassle. But for my daily commute, with a charger at home, it’s perfect!

That said, I don’t care what anyone else does - so I feel like it’s weird that folks get all charged up (ha, ha) over other people owning EVs.

We're probably talking past each other here, but one of my points is that EVs as a commuter vehicle basically shows the failure of this generation of EVs. That's simply because those EVs are doing ICE like duty cycles without ICE like longevity. This is how you get something like a 2017 Leaf with 34,000 miles on it that is practically cooked. EVs are far too resource intensive to make sense as low mileage commuters. They need to be ridden hard in something like a fleet or taxi service before their battery degrades somewhere in years 5-10.

That or we just need to admit that people like to use Ludicrous mode to dart into parking lanes and pass people at lights. We can then stop pretending EVs are green and just view them as muscle cars for dorks.

I will repeat my point from earlier again. Owing an EV is a lifestyle. EVs fail as rentals because very few individuals want to adopt a new lifestyle for a short time, especially when the car is supposed to be nothing more than transportation. That said, I would not be surprised if a current EV owner would love to get a great rental deal on an EV at DCA. There are chargers everywhere around here.

But, I disagree with your point that the cars can't be ICE replacements. My family recently travelled on a round trip of over 1600 miles. The car was great. Because we planned ahead, we had no problem finding chargers. The time spend charging was acceptable.

Another matter to consider is that battery longevity is dependent on care of the battery. Owners, like me, are careful about charging and follow practices aimed at extending the battery's life. Renters probably have no idea how to care for a battery and probably don't care because it's not their problem. Where EVs are working well is in car share situation. Just about anytime I stop at a public charger, there are car share drivers there. Unfortunately, they are also charging to 100% which means they hog a charger forever.

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