New TJ Lawsuit Filed 3/10/21 by Pacific Legal Foundation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Assuming arguendo plaintiffs “win” in district court, the Fourth Circuit is locked down liberal. So it would be reversed. Gets to Supreme Court. 5-4 Fourth Circuit upheld. FCPS wins. Long game.

If that happens, then that would be institutionalizing racism, and we would literally be confirming that we are now a socialist country.

you win buzzword bingo. Bonus points for the nonsensical sentence

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Part of the reason for the huge racial imbalance is that bright white kids (and probably Black and Hispanic ones, too) have figured out that if they're not going to be in the top 25% of TJ, they'll get better college offers with much less work by being in the top 10% of their base high school. For whatever reason, Asian kids are interested in working their asses off at TJ, even if they get much worse college acceptances than they would have at their base school.

I'm not sure that this is a problem that even needs to be fixed.

I mean, it's definitely a problem if you're a major, well-regarded school system and your flagship school that you invest incredible amounts of money, time and energy in is:

a) unappealing to broad high-performing sections of the population;
b) unavailable to other broad sections of the population;
c) has a reputation for depressing college outcomes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Assuming arguendo plaintiffs “win” in district court, the Fourth Circuit is locked down liberal. So it would be reversed. Gets to Supreme Court. 5-4 Fourth Circuit upheld. FCPS wins. Long game.

If that happens, then that would be institutionalizing racism, and we would literally be confirming that we are now a socialist country.

With the amount of actual racism that Asians face in this country, you'd think they would be able to interpret what is and is not racism. The removal of a standardized exam as a metric is antiracist.

Their reason for doing it is to reduce the number of Asians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Assuming arguendo plaintiffs “win” in district court, the Fourth Circuit is locked down liberal. So it would be reversed. Gets to Supreme Court. 5-4 Fourth Circuit upheld. FCPS wins. Long game.

If that happens, then that would be institutionalizing racism, and we would literally be confirming that we are now a socialist country.

With the amount of actual racism that Asians face in this country, you'd think they would be able to interpret what is and is not racism. The removal of a standardized exam as a metric is antiracist.

Their reason for doing it is to reduce the number of Asians.

if only white people thought of that line of reasoning to fight desegregation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Assuming arguendo plaintiffs “win” in district court, the Fourth Circuit is locked down liberal. So it would be reversed. Gets to Supreme Court. 5-4 Fourth Circuit upheld. FCPS wins. Long game.

If that happens, then that would be institutionalizing racism, and we would literally be confirming that we are now a socialist country.

With the amount of actual racism that Asians face in this country, you'd think they would be able to interpret what is and is not racism. The removal of a standardized exam as a metric is antiracist.

Their reason for doing it is to reduce the number of Asians.

No. Their reason for doing is is to increase the number of Blacks and Latinos, not 'to reduce the number of Asians'. There's a difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Assuming arguendo plaintiffs “win” in district court, the Fourth Circuit is locked down liberal. So it would be reversed. Gets to Supreme Court. 5-4 Fourth Circuit upheld. FCPS wins. Long game.

If that happens, then that would be institutionalizing racism, and we would literally be confirming that we are now a socialist country.

With the amount of actual racism that Asians face in this country, you'd think they would be able to interpret what is and is not racism. The removal of a standardized exam as a metric is antiracist.

Their reason for doing it is to reduce the number of Asians.

This is true in the same sense that when colleges decided to start admitting women, they were doing it to reduce the number of men.

Which is to say, you can read it that way if you want, and there will definitely be an impact on the number of Asians because they are so profoundly dominant at the school currently - but really, that's not why they're doing it.

Remember once upon a time we as a society believed that women were less capable of doing well in higher education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Assuming arguendo plaintiffs “win” in district court, the Fourth Circuit is locked down liberal. So it would be reversed. Gets to Supreme Court. 5-4 Fourth Circuit upheld. FCPS wins. Long game.

If that happens, then that would be institutionalizing racism, and we would literally be confirming that we are now a socialist country.

With the amount of actual racism that Asians face in this country, you'd think they would be able to interpret what is and is not racism. The removal of a standardized exam as a metric is antiracist.

Their reason for doing it is to reduce the number of Asians.

No. Their reason for doing is is to increase the number of Blacks and Latinos, not 'to reduce the number of Asians'. There's a difference.

Sophistry. They know the main way to increase the number of Blacks and Hispanics is to reduce the number of Asians and eliminate neutral, objective assessments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Assuming arguendo plaintiffs “win” in district court, the Fourth Circuit is locked down liberal. So it would be reversed. Gets to Supreme Court. 5-4 Fourth Circuit upheld. FCPS wins. Long game.

If that happens, then that would be institutionalizing racism, and we would literally be confirming that we are now a socialist country.

With the amount of actual racism that Asians face in this country, you'd think they would be able to interpret what is and is not racism. The removal of a standardized exam as a metric is antiracist.

Their reason for doing it is to reduce the number of Asians.

This is true in the same sense that when colleges decided to start admitting women, they were doing it to reduce the number of men.

Which is to say, you can read it that way if you want, and there will definitely be an impact on the number of Asians because they are so profoundly dominant at the school currently - but really, that's not why they're doing it.

Remember once upon a time we as a society believed that women were less capable of doing well in higher education.

Except they didn't reduce the standards when they admitted women. The schools became more selective, not less.

At TJ they will are just dispensing with objective criteria to produce the diversity they want. At the expense of Asian kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Assuming arguendo plaintiffs “win” in district court, the Fourth Circuit is locked down liberal. So it would be reversed. Gets to Supreme Court. 5-4 Fourth Circuit upheld. FCPS wins. Long game.

If that happens, then that would be institutionalizing racism, and we would literally be confirming that we are now a socialist country.

With the amount of actual racism that Asians face in this country, you'd think they would be able to interpret what is and is not racism. The removal of a standardized exam as a metric is antiracist.

Their reason for doing it is to reduce the number of Asians.

No. Their reason for doing is is to increase the number of Blacks and Latinos, not 'to reduce the number of Asians'. There's a difference.

Sophistry. They know the main way to increase the number of Blacks and Hispanics is to reduce the number of Asians and eliminate neutral, objective assessments.

What about Whites? Are they not factoring in your accusations at all? The number of Whites will also do down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Assuming arguendo plaintiffs “win” in district court, the Fourth Circuit is locked down liberal. So it would be reversed. Gets to Supreme Court. 5-4 Fourth Circuit upheld. FCPS wins. Long game.

If that happens, then that would be institutionalizing racism, and we would literally be confirming that we are now a socialist country.

With the amount of actual racism that Asians face in this country, you'd think they would be able to interpret what is and is not racism. The removal of a standardized exam as a metric is antiracist.

Their reason for doing it is to reduce the number of Asians.

No. Their reason for doing is is to increase the number of Blacks and Latinos, not 'to reduce the number of Asians'. There's a difference.

Allegedly. Let's see if that's what happens, "as applied."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Assuming arguendo plaintiffs “win” in district court, the Fourth Circuit is locked down liberal. So it would be reversed. Gets to Supreme Court. 5-4 Fourth Circuit upheld. FCPS wins. Long game.

If that happens, then that would be institutionalizing racism, and we would literally be confirming that we are now a socialist country.

With the amount of actual racism that Asians face in this country, you'd think they would be able to interpret what is and is not racism. The removal of a standardized exam as a metric is antiracist.

Their reason for doing it is to reduce the number of Asians.

This is true in the same sense that when colleges decided to start admitting women, they were doing it to reduce the number of men.

Which is to say, you can read it that way if you want, and there will definitely be an impact on the number of Asians because they are so profoundly dominant at the school currently - but really, that's not why they're doing it.

Remember once upon a time we as a society believed that women were less capable of doing well in higher education.

Except they didn't reduce the standards when they admitted women. The schools became more selective, not less.

At TJ they will are just dispensing with objective criteria to produce the diversity they want. At the expense of Asian kids.

So, here's the reality of the situation. You are only going to see the percentage of Asian kids at TJ decrease significantly IF the number of non-Asian applicants across the board increases significantly. Which is going to create a more selective process.

The percentage of Asian students dive-bombed from 74.9% with Class of 2021 to 65.2% with Class of 2022. The major change to the process in that year was the change to the exams that you all are so desperately trying to save now. In the two years since, 2023 was about 72% and 2024 was about 73%. This tracks perfectly with the increases that Curie reported.

When a new exam was introduced, somehow magically you saw the largest group of Hispanic students that we've seen in decades. But then the prep companies caught up, and order was restored to the universe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Assuming arguendo plaintiffs “win” in district court, the Fourth Circuit is locked down liberal. So it would be reversed. Gets to Supreme Court. 5-4 Fourth Circuit upheld. FCPS wins. Long game.

If that happens, then that would be institutionalizing racism, and we would literally be confirming that we are now a socialist country.

With the amount of actual racism that Asians face in this country, you'd think they would be able to interpret what is and is not racism. The removal of a standardized exam as a metric is antiracist.

Their reason for doing it is to reduce the number of Asians.

No. Their reason for doing is is to increase the number of Blacks and Latinos, not 'to reduce the number of Asians'. There's a difference.

Sophistry. They know the main way to increase the number of Blacks and Hispanics is to reduce the number of Asians and eliminate neutral, objective assessments.

What about Whites? Are they not factoring in your accusations at all? The number of Whites will also do down.

This will depend entirely on the number of applications. White enrollment at TJ has always tracked neatly with their application numbers.

[Anonymous]

I saw the discussion in Loudoun when they implemented per school quotas for Academy of Loudoun admissions. Black and brown people do not benefit much from that in Loudoun. Instead it would be the western middle schools with more white kids. However, it would reduce Asian numbers who are concentrated in Ashburn.
It was pretty clear at the school board meeting that this was why they were doing the per school quota. All the discussion of test prep and other things. It was not about money, but that the Asians(Indians) were dominating with too much focus on this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Assuming arguendo plaintiffs “win” in district court, the Fourth Circuit is locked down liberal. So it would be reversed. Gets to Supreme Court. 5-4 Fourth Circuit upheld. FCPS wins. Long game.

If that happens, then that would be institutionalizing racism, and we would literally be confirming that we are now a socialist country.

With the amount of actual racism that Asians face in this country, you'd think they would be able to interpret what is and is not racism. The removal of a standardized exam as a metric is antiracist.

Their reason for doing it is to reduce the number of Asians.

This is true in the same sense that when colleges decided to start admitting women, they were doing it to reduce the number of men.

Which is to say, you can read it that way if you want, and there will definitely be an impact on the number of Asians because they are so profoundly dominant at the school currently - but really, that's not why they're doing it.

Remember once upon a time we as a society believed that women were less capable of doing well in higher education.

Except they didn't reduce the standards when they admitted women. The schools became more selective, not less.

At TJ they will are just dispensing with objective criteria to produce the diversity they want. At the expense of Asian kids.

So, here's the reality of the situation. You are only going to see the percentage of Asian kids at TJ decrease significantly IF the number of non-Asian applicants across the board increases significantly. Which is going to create a more selective process.

The percentage of Asian students dive-bombed from 74.9% with Class of 2021 to 65.2% with Class of 2022. The major change to the process in that year was the change to the exams that you all are so desperately trying to save now. In the two years since, 2023 was about 72% and 2024 was about 73%. This tracks perfectly with the increases that Curie reported.

When a new exam was introduced, somehow magically you saw the largest group of Hispanic students that we've seen in decades. But then the prep companies caught up, and order was restored to the universe.

You nailed it. It's not like the cohort of Asians in the Class of 2022 was somehow magically less bright or less talented than the other years. They were simply less prepared. A decrease of 10 percentage points after a steady two-decade incline is not an accident.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I saw the discussion in Loudoun when they implemented per school quotas for Academy of Loudoun admissions. Black and brown people do not benefit much from that in Loudoun. Instead it would be the western middle schools with more white kids. However, it would reduce Asian numbers who are concentrated in Ashburn.
It was pretty clear at the school board meeting that this was why they were doing the per school quota. All the discussion of test prep and other things. It was not about money, but that the Asians(Indians) were dominating with too much focus on this.

It definitely is the South Asians who are making the difference here.