When are Herndon Middle and Herndon High going to get a break?!??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You are correct the SB does have an obligation to educate all children. That doesn't give the federal and state government the right to plop illegals into schools with no notice or preparation. It is not fair to anyone regardless of where they live.

IMHO it is not wrong to have learning centers for illegals so they can get up to speed on the English language and culture so they can better assimilate into our schools. Dragging down the academics of the general population is not valuable to anyone.

How much are each of us willing to pay in increased taxes and lowered property values to care for illegal aliens?

Again, more questions than answers, but slinging mud at each other on this board is not constructive.

I am almost certain separate but equal is unconstitutional.

Seems to me a lot of those kids you want to set up in separate educational environments will need to be educated in institutions outside of their neighborhoods, sort of like a magnet school for non-english speakers. So is busing those kids outside of their neighborhoods for x number of years until they become fluent a good idea then, I mean you aren't against busing them out of certain schools as long as they don't get bused into segregated non-english speaker schools. I.E. not your school.

As long as they get bused into segregated non-english speaker schools it's okay?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are correct the SB does have an obligation to educate all children. That doesn't give the federal and state government the right to plop illegals into schools with no notice or preparation. It is not fair to anyone regardless of where they live.

IMHO it is not wrong to have learning centers for illegals so they can get up to speed on the English language and culture so they can better assimilate into our schools. Dragging down the academics of the general population is not valuable to anyone.

How much are each of us willing to pay in increased taxes and lowered property values to care for illegal aliens?

Again, more questions than answers, but slinging mud at each other on this board is not constructive.

I am almost certain separate but equal is unconstitutional.

Seems to me a lot of those kids you want to set up in separate educational environments will need to be educated in institutions outside of their neighborhoods, sort of like a magnet school for non-english speakers. So is busing those kids outside of their neighborhoods for x number of years until they become fluent a good idea then, I mean you aren't against busing them out of certain schools as long as they don't get bused into segregated non-english speaker schools. I.E. not your school.

As long as they get bused into segregated non-english speaker schools it's okay?

I actually think an argument could be made that these non-native English speakers have more of a right to be bused across the county to receive education in less diverse schools, because their need is real, it isn't just about preservation of property values. The English language is most easily acquired when students are surrounded by those who speak English fluently. I honestly do not think that protection of property values should outweigh these students rights to be taught English quickly and efficiently (which happens to be in an environment where they are surrounded by majority of native English speakers). I think there would be much to be gained from taking these children out of their over-burdened base schools and placing them in an environment like Langley. If you have to remove native English speakers from Langley or any other school in order to make the numbers work, then so be it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are correct the SB does have an obligation to educate all children. That doesn't give the federal and state government the right to plop illegals into schools with no notice or preparation. It is not fair to anyone regardless of where they live.

IMHO it is not wrong to have learning centers for illegals so they can get up to speed on the English language and culture so they can better assimilate into our schools. Dragging down the academics of the general population is not valuable to anyone.

How much are each of us willing to pay in increased taxes and lowered property values to care for illegal aliens?

Again, more questions than answers, but slinging mud at each other on this board is not constructive.

I am almost certain separate but equal is unconstitutional.

Seems to me a lot of those kids you want to set up in separate educational environments will need to be educated in institutions outside of their neighborhoods, sort of like a magnet school for non-english speakers. So is busing those kids outside of their neighborhoods for x number of years until they become fluent a good idea then, I mean you aren't against busing them out of certain schools as long as they don't get bused into segregated non-english speaker schools. I.E. not your school.

As long as they get bused into segregated non-english speaker schools it's okay?

I actually think an argument could be made that these non-native English speakers have more of a right to be bused across the county to receive education in less diverse schools, because their need is real, it isn't just about preservation of property values. The English language is most easily acquired when students are surrounded by those who speak English fluently. I honestly do not think that protection of property values should outweigh these students rights to be taught English quickly and efficiently (which happens to be in an environment where they are surrounded by majority of native English speakers). I think there would be much to be gained from taking these children out of their over-burdened base schools and placing them in an environment like Langley. If you have to remove native English speakers from Langley or any other school in order to make the numbers work, then so be it.

There is no high school in FCPS that doesn’t have a substantial number of English speakers. I think you’d have a significant burden in establishing that moving kids out of, say, Herndon or Justice to Langley would actually improve their ability to acquire fluency in English. They are going to be even less likely to be in the same classes as the other students and the greater distance might make them even more likely to drop out.

[Anonymous]

There is no high school in FCPS that doesn’t have a substantial number of English speakers. I think you’d have a significant burden in establishing that moving kids out of, say, Herndon or Justice to Langley would actually improve their ability to acquire fluency in English. They are going to be even less likely to be in the same classes as the other students and the greater distance might make them even more likely to drop out.

I've had experience in teaching young non-English speakers. It's true they pick it up faster and better if they are around fluent speakers and isolated from other non-English speakers In other words, if you send a whole group to a school of mostly fluent speakers, they are unlikely to improve. Why? Because they will cling to their own friends even more.

When I had one or two non-English speakers in my classroom (first grade), they picked it up quickly. When I had six or seven non-English speakers, they clung like glue to each other and there was much less social interaction with the other kids. Think about it, if you are in a group whose language you do not speak and have an English speaking neighbor with you, who are you going to talk to?

[Anonymous]

Why would be busing be necessary? According to many on this thread Herndon is overburdened with non English speakers.

Herndon will be under capacity with the new renovation. Keep them where they live and provide special services for them. Why be condemned to Great Falls kids you hate when you can care for the people you insist deserve so much from taxpayers?

Embrace that Herndon Pride!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why would be busing be necessary? According to many on this thread Herndon is overburdened with non English speakers.

Herndon will be under capacity with the new renovation. Keep them where they live and provide special services for them. Why be condemned to Great Falls kids you hate when you can care for the people you insist deserve so much from taxpayers?

Embrace that Herndon Pride!

You are a disgusting pig.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

There is no high school in FCPS that doesn’t have a substantial number of English speakers. I think you’d have a significant burden in establishing that moving kids out of, say, Herndon or Justice to Langley would actually improve their ability to acquire fluency in English. They are going to be even less likely to be in the same classes as the other students and the greater distance might make them even more likely to drop out.

I've had experience in teaching young non-English speakers. It's true they pick it up faster and better if they are around fluent speakers and isolated from other non-English speakers In other words, if you send a whole group to a school of mostly fluent speakers, they are unlikely to improve. Why? Because they will cling to their own friends even more.

When I had one or two non-English speakers in my classroom (first grade), they picked it up quickly. When I had six or seven non-English speakers, they clung like glue to each other and there was much less social interaction with the other kids. Think about it, if you are in a group whose language you do not speak and have an English speaking neighbor with you, who are you going to talk to?

That makes sense. But that’s not really the scenario PP has in mind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There is no high school in FCPS that doesn’t have a substantial number of English speakers. I think you’d have a significant burden in establishing that moving kids out of, say, Herndon or Justice to Langley would actually improve their ability to acquire fluency in English. They are going to be even less likely to be in the same classes as the other students and the greater distance might make them even more likely to drop out.

I've had experience in teaching young non-English speakers. It's true they pick it up faster and better if they are around fluent speakers and isolated from other non-English speakers In other words, if you send a whole group to a school of mostly fluent speakers, they are unlikely to improve. Why? Because they will cling to their own friends even more.

When I had one or two non-English speakers in my classroom (first grade), they picked it up quickly. When I had six or seven non-English speakers, they clung like glue to each other and there was much less social interaction with the other kids. Think about it, if you are in a group whose language you do not speak and have an English speaking neighbor with you, who are you going to talk to?

That makes sense. But that’s not really the scenario PP has in mind.

It also may be considered culturally insensitive to spread them out enough to the point where picking up English quickly would be easier, and more necessary for participating fully in life at school.

I see pitfalls no matter which way they try to go.

[Anonymous]

It also may be considered culturally insensitive to spread them out enough to the point where picking up English quickly would be easier, and more necessary for participating fully in life at school.

I see pitfalls no matter which way they try to go.

Way too many to do this--and, they all live in neighborhoods together. Understandable, but not good for learning the language fluently.

Most young children learn it quickly--those who come later, it's far more difficult.

[Anonymous]

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It also may be considered culturally insensitive to spread them out enough to the point where picking up English quickly would be easier, and more necessary for participating fully in life at school.

I see pitfalls no matter which way they try to go.

Who the hell is "them"?


Goodness you can't even bring yourself to say the word Illegal Alien. It is a legal term not dirty words. Let's stop being wimpy. There is a problem in our schools and no one wants to say the words.

It reminds me of when it was not PC to say Islamic Extremists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why would be busing be necessary? According to many on this thread Herndon is overburdened with non English speakers.

Herndon will be under capacity with the new renovation. Keep them where they live and provide special services for them. Why be condemned to Great Falls kids you hate when you can care for the people you insist deserve so much from taxpayers?

Embrace that Herndon Pride!

I thought that Herndon was projected to be slightly over once renovations are completed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It also may be considered culturally insensitive to spread them out enough to the point where picking up English quickly would be easier, and more necessary for participating fully in life at school.

I see pitfalls no matter which way they try to go.

Who the hell is "them"?


Goodness you can't even bring yourself to say the word Illegal Alien. It is a legal term not dirty words. Let's stop being wimpy. There is a problem in our schools and no one wants to say the words.

It reminds me of when it was not PC to say Islamic Extremists.

"Them" is a pronoun that very clearly refers to the group being referenced in the quoted post.

I'm sorry you were unable to understand.

[Anonymous]

671 posts have an opinion on this subject and we all think we know what’s best. Let’s hope that in ten years HMS and HHS will be back to its glory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:671 posts have an opinion on this subject and we all think we know what’s best. Let’s hope that in ten years HMS and HHS will be back to its glory.

+1

I would love it if all the top public schools in the state were in Fairfax County.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:671 posts have an opinion on this subject and we all think we know what’s best. Let’s hope that in ten years HMS and HHS will be back to its glory.

+1

I would love it if all the top public schools in the state were in Fairfax County.

Sadly, FCPS was great about 15 years ago. The folks from MD and DC moved into NOVA to flee their terrible schools and high taxes. They bought their liberal ideas with them and now we have mediocre schools and much higher taxes.