Why do staunch republicans hate electric vehicles?

[Anonymous]

I never thought much of EVs until I saw a review on a car site about one of the Tesla's wiht insnae mode or whatever. It was a four door sedan that accelerated 0-60 faster than most production Ferraris, and it accelerated so fast in the test that it literally smashed the tester's phone.

At that point, it became clear to me that it was a badass car, electric or not. I'm not sure what the problem is.

With trucks it's the same thing, I'd love to have a go-anywhere, can't-get-stuck, can-tow-anything truck that also let's me power a goddamn house.

I can't because the politics is keeping it from being a reality and it pisses me off.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the stupid thing about Republicans and EVs... EVs make incredibly good pickups. I'm not talking about sissy CyberTrucks, I'm talking about if you're a guy—a tough guy, a GOP voting kind of guy who works on a job site—an EV F-150 or equivalent Chevy or GM, would be extremely useful... first of all, it's a giant battery, it can power all of your tools. Secondly, and most importantly, electric engines have an insane amount of torque—it's why diesel electric (a diesel engine that powers an electric engine) engines are standard on freight locomotives and marine cargo ships. They are extremely good for hauling and grinding out of a jam.

They make fantastic work trucks. But, you know, climate change isnt' real.

What does your whole first paragraph have to do with climate change?

nothing. that's the point. An EV truck is objectively better. But the truck consumer market won't buy it, because they think EV's are some kind of Biden hoax to foist communism or whatever on them because climate change. It's not a rational reaction to an inherently superior product.

The EV truck costs 50% more than an ICE truck and probably will only last half as long. Prices either need to come down or they need to figure out how to make batteries last 20+ years. You also can't get a Lightning with an 8 foot bed. Its only available in commuter configuration of 4 doors and a short bed.

So if you need the bed to do real work, want the truck to last, and don't want to pay an extra $15,000+ up front then sticking with ICE is the only way to go.

Yeah, right now, with what is available on the market, you are correct. But I'm saying the inherent qualities of an electric engine in a truck are superior to the inherent qualities of an ICE.

As for why it costs so much and costs Ford so much—that's why we have Tesla. Because those companies suck. The improved production capabilities and the improved battery life and the lower costs come with scale—I'm fine with credits and subsidies to make the market go if it gets me an inherently better truck. Also, my ICE powered truck is the product of massive subsidies and Ford only made money off of it because I financed it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the stupid thing about Republicans and EVs... EVs make incredibly good pickups. I'm not talking about sissy CyberTrucks, I'm talking about if you're a guy—a tough guy, a GOP voting kind of guy who works on a job site—an EV F-150 or equivalent Chevy or GM, would be extremely useful... first of all, it's a giant battery, it can power all of your tools. Secondly, and most importantly, electric engines have an insane amount of torque—it's why diesel electric (a diesel engine that powers an electric engine) engines are standard on freight locomotives and marine cargo ships. They are extremely good for hauling and grinding out of a jam.

They make fantastic work trucks. But, you know, climate change isnt' real.

What does your whole first paragraph have to do with climate change?

nothing. that's the point. An EV truck is objectively better. But the truck consumer market won't buy it, because they think EV's are some kind of Biden hoax to foist communism or whatever on them because climate change. It's not a rational reaction to an inherently superior product.

The EV truck costs 50% more than an ICE truck and probably will only last half as long. Prices either need to come down or they need to figure out how to make batteries last 20+ years. You also can't get a Lightning with an 8 foot bed. Its only available in commuter configuration of 4 doors and a short bed.

So if you need the bed to do real work, want the truck to last, and don't want to pay an extra $15,000+ up front then sticking with ICE is the only way to go.

Yeah, right now, with what is available on the market, you are correct. But I'm saying the inherent qualities of an electric engine in a truck are superior to the inherent qualities of an ICE.

As for why it costs so much and costs Ford so much—that's why we have Tesla. Because those companies suck. The improved production capabilities and the improved battery life and the lower costs come with scale—I'm fine with credits and subsidies to make the market go if it gets me an inherently better truck. Also, my ICE powered truck is the product of massive subsidies and Ford only made money off of it because I financed it.

Letting BYD sell here would bring down the prices as well, but that's never going to happen...

When it comes to the environment, hating China trumps EV adoption.

[Anonymous]

Republicans hate EVs because they can not figure out how to put gas in to the car.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the stupid thing about Republicans and EVs... EVs make incredibly good pickups. I'm not talking about sissy CyberTrucks, I'm talking about if you're a guy—a tough guy, a GOP voting kind of guy who works on a job site—an EV F-150 or equivalent Chevy or GM, would be extremely useful... first of all, it's a giant battery, it can power all of your tools. Secondly, and most importantly, electric engines have an insane amount of torque—it's why diesel electric (a diesel engine that powers an electric engine) engines are standard on freight locomotives and marine cargo ships. They are extremely good for hauling and grinding out of a jam.

They make fantastic work trucks. But, you know, climate change isnt' real.

What does your whole first paragraph have to do with climate change?

nothing. that's the point. An EV truck is objectively better. But the truck consumer market won't buy it, because they think EV's are some kind of Biden hoax to foist communism or whatever on them because climate change. It's not a rational reaction to an inherently superior product.

The EV truck costs 50% more than an ICE truck and probably will only last half as long. Prices either need to come down or they need to figure out how to make batteries last 20+ years. You also can't get a Lightning with an 8 foot bed. Its only available in commuter configuration of 4 doors and a short bed.

So if you need the bed to do real work, want the truck to last, and don't want to pay an extra $15,000+ up front then sticking with ICE is the only way to go.

Why do you keep repeating this lie? EV batteries last 15-20 years. I bet you still have a land line with a rotary phone. Is that your pager going off?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the stupid thing about Republicans and EVs... EVs make incredibly good pickups. I'm not talking about sissy CyberTrucks, I'm talking about if you're a guy—a tough guy, a GOP voting kind of guy who works on a job site—an EV F-150 or equivalent Chevy or GM, would be extremely useful... first of all, it's a giant battery, it can power all of your tools. Secondly, and most importantly, electric engines have an insane amount of torque—it's why diesel electric (a diesel engine that powers an electric engine) engines are standard on freight locomotives and marine cargo ships. They are extremely good for hauling and grinding out of a jam.

They make fantastic work trucks. But, you know, climate change isnt' real.

What does your whole first paragraph have to do with climate change?

nothing. that's the point. An EV truck is objectively better. But the truck consumer market won't buy it, because they think EV's are some kind of Biden hoax to foist communism or whatever on them because climate change. It's not a rational reaction to an inherently superior product.

The EV truck costs 50% more than an ICE truck and probably will only last half as long. Prices either need to come down or they need to figure out how to make batteries last 20+ years. You also can't get a Lightning with an 8 foot bed. Its only available in commuter configuration of 4 doors and a short bed.

So if you need the bed to do real work, want the truck to last, and don't want to pay an extra $15,000+ up front then sticking with ICE is the only way to go.

Why do you keep repeating this lie? EV batteries last 15-20 years. I bet you still have a land line with a rotary phone. Is that your pager going off?

Where do you get that EV batteries last 15-20 years? There are no 15-20 year old EVs still running. Do you have any device with a lithium battery that old still going strong?

The average rotary phone will still be going strong after the latest fancy phone is in a landfill, btw.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else notice how cheap EV rentals are? They often are cheaper than whatever compact car is available on the lot. Are they so cheap because the rental companies don't charge them?

I honestly thought daily rentals would be one of the few places EVs would make sense, but the prices seem to indicate otherwise.

Yes! We rented a Tesla in Canada and it was dirt cheap. Fun experience but what a pita finding charging stations, and it shocked me how slow it is to charge. We sat in supermarket parking lots a lot.

You were not using the correct chargers, then. There are also apps that will plan any route for you so that you aren’t searching for a station.

I have an EV (though not an tesla— I don’t like them), and have driven it all over the eastern U.S. (including parts of the U.S.) and Canada and charging has never been a concern. Usually we charge up the car once for a 400+ mile trip, in the 15-20 min it takes us to go inside a gas station to go to the bathroom.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else notice how cheap EV rentals are? They often are cheaper than whatever compact car is available on the lot. Are they so cheap because the rental companies don't charge them?

I honestly thought daily rentals would be one of the few places EVs would make sense, but the prices seem to indicate otherwise.

Yes! We rented a Tesla in Canada and it was dirt cheap. Fun experience but what a pita finding charging stations, and it shocked me how slow it is to charge. We sat in supermarket parking lots a lot.

You were not using the correct chargers, then. There are also apps that will plan any route for you so that you aren’t searching for a station.

I have an EV (though not an tesla— I don’t like them), and have driven it all over the eastern U.S. (including parts of the U.S.) and Canada and charging has never been a concern. Usually we charge up the car once for a 400+ mile trip, in the 15-20 min it takes us to go inside a gas station to go to the bathroom.

**that should say, “in the Midwest.”

[Anonymous]

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Anyone else notice how cheap EV rentals are? They often are cheaper than whatever compact car is available on the lot. Are they so cheap because the rental companies don't charge them?

I honestly thought daily rentals would be one of the few places EVs would make sense, but the prices seem to indicate otherwise.


Yes! We rented a Tesla in Canada and it was dirt cheap. Fun experience but what a pita finding charging stations, and it shocked me how slow it is to charge. We sat in supermarket parking lots a lot.

You probably were not using the Tesla superchargers. Also, were you using the navigation system? It automatically shows you where and when to supercharge and it preconditions the engine so that you have faster charging. We went on a road trip out west (2 weeks) in a Tesla. We did not have a problem.

[Anonymous]

We don’t hate EVs.
We hate mandates especially when they come at a high cost.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the stupid thing about Republicans and EVs... EVs make incredibly good pickups. I'm not talking about sissy CyberTrucks, I'm talking about if you're a guy—a tough guy, a GOP voting kind of guy who works on a job site—an EV F-150 or equivalent Chevy or GM, would be extremely useful... first of all, it's a giant battery, it can power all of your tools. Secondly, and most importantly, electric engines have an insane amount of torque—it's why diesel electric (a diesel engine that powers an electric engine) engines are standard on freight locomotives and marine cargo ships. They are extremely good for hauling and grinding out of a jam.

They make fantastic work trucks. But, you know, climate change isnt' real.

What does your whole first paragraph have to do with climate change?

nothing. that's the point. An EV truck is objectively better. But the truck consumer market won't buy it, because they think EV's are some kind of Biden hoax to foist communism or whatever on them because climate change. It's not a rational reaction to an inherently superior product.

EV trucks are very expensive. An EV F150 is nearly 20k more expensive than a regular F150...

Sounds like we need credits back...

Also, they're better and the maintenance costs are extremely low. Not only will it tow more than a diesel, but you can't break the transmission trying to tow something. That's the real reason they don't sell more is dealers HATE them because they require virtually no service except tires and brakes. No complicated tranny, no carburetor, no fuel injection, no cylinders, no fuel and water lans, no fans or fan belts, etc. A dealership that sells a lot of EVs has to get by on it's sales profits because it won't have a service department anymore.

Subsidies won't fix the underlying cost problem. They are supposed to be a short term thing to build up manufacturing capacity. The pricing problem is on the domestic car companies that think they can charge a premium for electrics based on consumer gas cost savings. China has unlocked the cost issue and that is why BYD is successful.

For what it is worth we have the same problem with ICE vehicles. Chinese and European companies produce much cheaper cars for middle income country markets. The main difference is interior bells and whistles. We've been upsold so much that the car companies have become addicted. Have you seen the interiors of our trucks? They are nicer than those of luxury sedans.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Anyone else notice how cheap EV rentals are? They often are cheaper than whatever compact car is available on the lot. Are they so cheap because the rental companies don't charge them?

I honestly thought daily rentals would be one of the few places EVs would make sense, but the prices seem to indicate otherwise.


Yes! We rented a Tesla in Canada and it was dirt cheap. Fun experience but what a pita finding charging stations, and it shocked me how slow it is to charge. We sat in supermarket parking lots a lot.

You probably were not using the Tesla superchargers. Also, were you using the navigation system? It automatically shows you where and when to supercharge and it preconditions the engine so that you have faster charging. We went on a road trip out west (2 weeks) in a Tesla. We did not have a problem.

It’s funny when people like PP who rented a Tesla on vacation post. It seems like they either didn’t drive a Tesla or didn’t take any time to learn about the car they rented, because they’re complaining about it lacking features that are available.

They’re just repeating those old talking points. It’s impossible to find a charging station, except if they’d even googled how to find one, they’d find instructions for how to get the car to give you turn by turn directions, a plethora of websites with maps and helpful hints, and apps that give directions for it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Anyone else notice how cheap EV rentals are? They often are cheaper than whatever compact car is available on the lot. Are they so cheap because the rental companies don't charge them?

I honestly thought daily rentals would be one of the few places EVs would make sense, but the prices seem to indicate otherwise.


Yes! We rented a Tesla in Canada and it was dirt cheap. Fun experience but what a pita finding charging stations, and it shocked me how slow it is to charge. We sat in supermarket parking lots a lot.

You probably were not using the Tesla superchargers. Also, were you using the navigation system? It automatically shows you where and when to supercharge and it preconditions the engine so that you have faster charging. We went on a road trip out west (2 weeks) in a Tesla. We did not have a problem.

It’s funny when people like PP who rented a Tesla on vacation post. It seems like they either didn’t drive a Tesla or didn’t take any time to learn about the car they rented, because they’re complaining about it lacking features that are available.

They’re just repeating those old talking points. It’s impossible to find a charging station, except if they’d even googled how to find one, they’d find instructions for how to get the car to give you turn by turn directions, a plethora of websites with maps and helpful hints, and apps that give directions for it.

I posted that and yes, we were obviously using the navigation system! And there were not superchargers everywhere. This site is amazing in assuming people are total morons who didn't think of the obvious...

[Anonymous]

It's literally big oil propaganda, pumped into bumpkin's heads by right wing radio, TV, podcast, social, and print media -- as well as right wing social media influencers (prostitutes for sale).

[jsteele]

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Anonymous wrote:
Anyone else notice how cheap EV rentals are? They often are cheaper than whatever compact car is available on the lot. Are they so cheap because the rental companies don't charge them?

I honestly thought daily rentals would be one of the few places EVs would make sense, but the prices seem to indicate otherwise.


Yes! We rented a Tesla in Canada and it was dirt cheap. Fun experience but what a pita finding charging stations, and it shocked me how slow it is to charge. We sat in supermarket parking lots a lot.

You probably were not using the Tesla superchargers. Also, were you using the navigation system? It automatically shows you where and when to supercharge and it preconditions the engine so that you have faster charging. We went on a road trip out west (2 weeks) in a Tesla. We did not have a problem.

It’s funny when people like PP who rented a Tesla on vacation post. It seems like they either didn’t drive a Tesla or didn’t take any time to learn about the car they rented, because they’re complaining about it lacking features that are available.

They’re just repeating those old talking points. It’s impossible to find a charging station, except if they’d even googled how to find one, they’d find instructions for how to get the car to give you turn by turn directions, a plethora of websites with maps and helpful hints, and apps that give directions for it.

I posted that and yes, we were obviously using the navigation system! And there were not superchargers everywhere. This site is amazing in assuming people are total morons who didn't think of the obvious...

As a relatively new EV owner, I have found that owning an EV is a lifestyle. Hence, it is not ideal for those who have not adopted, or are not prepared to adopt, the lifestyle. For those new to EVs, sitting in supermarket parking lots is an unwanted inconvenience. For those who have adopted the lifestyle, it is a planned bathroom break and maybe a chance to eat. It generally takes more planning than driving an ICE car. I would never go anywhere new without pre-planning stops and having backup alternatives in mind. This will all improve with time, and also varies geographically. But right now you have to be pretty committed to EVs if you are going to do anything out of the ordinary with them. However, they are nearly perfect for a daily commute, especially if you have a home charger.