Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:Since it’s been a few hundred pages I’m just going to post this Kirk quote here again:

“I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.”

He said it, not me.

Yes, this has been shared many times so what?

So, it's ironic. -dp

Not really. Anyone with half a brain should be able to figure out what he means. We allow many things to exist that we know will invariably lead to a certain amount of lives lost because society would overall be worse of without them. Things such as automobile and air travel - even legal alcohol could be put in that category.

I do not share Charlie’s views regarding gun ownership at all I think the second amendment makes zero sense in today’s society, but obviously many people feel differently.

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I have zero hope or expectation that stricter gun laws will ever happen in this country at this point.

Well, they might, but only when we have a total authoritarian takeover and that would be to protect the authoritarian from the people.

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Anonymous wrote:Very weird. No law enforcement taped off and preserved a crime scene? Why was his body flown to AZ so fast? Why did his widow make a theatrical public speech and video with his corpse so quickly? Feels like manipulation and propaganda.

Omg nothing is safe from conspiracy theories. Nothing.

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They didn’t seem to mind when Charlie Kirk invited Kyle Rittenhouse to speak to teens as a “hero” doing “biblical” work.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not even going to attempt to read this thread, but I wanted to drop in to say that Charlie Kirk's assassination is/was deeply affecting to me. Seeing the video (somewhat inadvertently) was like a punch a gut. I've always been registered as a democrat but I changed my registration to republican yesterday. I know you all are going to say I'm a troll, but I can no longer stomach the political program infecting the democratic party from the left. Democrats are lost in the woods, either operating under total cognitive dissonance, or employing a murderous hate-filled practice of politics that I want no part of. My eyes were first opened to this hate-filled politics when seeing the rising levels of acceptable antisemitism and the treatment of American Jews on college campuses (already on Oct 8 = those jews had what was coming, they deserved to be slaughtered and raped), but Kirk's assassination is the final straw. He did not deserve this, no one does. Words are not violence, they do not permit violence in response. I did not agree with much of his politics, but I was thankful that SOMEONE still believed in the value of debate in the public square, and he was teaching that to the next generations.

Sure you did…

Why would you leave a party whose leaders ALL condemned the shooting and called for peace, and join a party whose leaders are calling for escalation and more political violence?

Please explain.

More cognitive dissonance. It's convenient to select for "leaders" and ignore the electorate. Maybe you're not seeing the many celebrations on social media from leftists.

Plenty of republican leaders are calling for calm and peace. Governor Cox has been very impressive.

Deflection fail.

Who here elected Cox? Probably less than 1% of DCUM's audience. But a bunch of you fools here on DCUM DID vote for Trump and he IS stoking the fires rather than calling for calm. What Democrat leaders mocked the shooting? None. But on the right we saw Mike Lee and other prominent Republicans mock the beating of Paul Pelosi, we saw them mock the shooting of the Wortmans.

Your Cox issue is that Cox is the exception in calling for calm, while the majority of the Republicans are doing no such thing. Meanwhile the majority of Democrats ARE calling for calm.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not even going to attempt to read this thread, but I wanted to drop in to say that Charlie Kirk's assassination is/was deeply affecting to me. Seeing the video (somewhat inadvertently) was like a punch a gut. I've always been registered as a democrat but I changed my registration to republican yesterday. I know you all are going to say I'm a troll, but I can no longer stomach the political program infecting the democratic party from the left. Democrats are lost in the woods, either operating under total cognitive dissonance, or employing a murderous hate-filled practice of politics that I want no part of. My eyes were first opened to this hate-filled politics when seeing the rising levels of acceptable antisemitism and the treatment of American Jews on college campuses (already on Oct 8 = those jews had what was coming, they deserved to be slaughtered and raped), but Kirk's assassination is the final straw. He did not deserve this, no one does. Words are not violence, they do not permit violence in response. I did not agree with much of his politics, but I was thankful that SOMEONE still believed in the value of debate in the public square, and he was teaching that to the next generations.

Sure you did…

Why would you leave a party whose leaders ALL condemned the shooting and called for peace, and join a party whose leaders are calling for escalation and more political violence?

Please explain.

More cognitive dissonance. It's convenient to select for "leaders" and ignore the electorate. Maybe you're not seeing the many celebrations on social media from leftists.

Plenty of republican leaders are calling for calm and peace. Governor Cox has been very impressive.

This Gov Cox?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOgiU4ngOFl/?igsh=MXBueDZybDg1M21raQ==

What's wrong with that? He was hoping it wasn't someone from Utah but it was.

His surprise that it could have been someone from Utah portrays serious myopia.

It wasn't surprise, he was just hoping. Anyway different jurisdiction considerations come into play, as a governor that's the kind of nuts and bolts you have to deal with in the aftermath of a political murder.

Why are you so eager to tear him down? I've seen how this video has been circulating, making it all about race. Why?

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I came on here the other day to praise Governor Cox for his calls for unity AND I RETRACT THEM.

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More cognitive dissonance. It's convenient to select for "leaders" and ignore the electorate. Maybe you're not seeing the many celebrations on social media from leftists.

Plenty of republican leaders are calling for calm and peace. Governor Cox has been very impressive.

Here’s a tip: get off social media and you probably won’t see any “celebrations” at all. Social media is not real life. And “many”, among 44 million registered Democrats isn’t worth much.

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Anonymous wrote:Since it’s been a few hundred pages I’m just going to post this Kirk quote here again:

“I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.”

He said it, not me.

Yes, this has been shared many times so what?

So, it's ironic. -dp

Not really. Anyone with half a brain should be able to figure out what he means. We allow many things to exist that we know will invariably lead to a certain amount of lives lost because society would overall be worse of without them. Things such as automobile and air travel - even legal alcohol could be put in that category.

I do not share Charlie’s views regarding gun ownership at all I think the second amendment makes zero sense in today’s society, but obviously many people feel differently.

American society is WORSE because of our lax views on gun control. We have a much higher rate of gun violence than any other modern industrialized nation. Ownership of guns is NOT a defense or deterrent against crime. The data just doesn't hold for the 2A proponents who keep claiming otherwise.

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More cognitive dissonance. It's convenient to select for "leaders" and ignore the electorate. Maybe you're not seeing the many celebrations on social media from leftists.

Plenty of republican leaders are calling for calm and peace. Governor Cox has been very impressive.

Here’s a tip: get off social media and you probably won’t see any “celebrations” at all. Social media is not real life. And “many”, among 44 million registered Democrats isn’t worth much.

This. Social media is programmed to bait you and keep your attention. Shock, fear and anger do it best. Stop feeding the monster.

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More cognitive dissonance. It's convenient to select for "leaders" and ignore the electorate. Maybe you're not seeing the many celebrations on social media from leftists.

Plenty of republican leaders are calling for calm and peace. Governor Cox has been very impressive.

Here’s a tip: get off social media and you probably won’t see any “celebrations” at all. Social media is not real life. And “many”, among 44 million registered Democrats isn’t worth much.

On social media, the right wing is cherrypicking a collection of weird random people who nobody ever heard of that are "cheering" for the death of Kirk including some who are right wingers satirizing what they believe to be the left.

Nobody who actually matters to Democrats cheered Charlie Kirk's death. It's all fabricated outrage by the right wing.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s such an easy problem to solve yet the Rs refuse to act. The only commonality of all these tragedies is guns.

And all the “grandad’s old deer rifle[s]” like the one used in this case will just magically vanish in an instant upon the passage of yet another magical piece of legislation? Of course they will.

And “only commonality of these tragedies” is not “guns.” It is people who have decided or been taught that it is OK to commit murder — vile, brutal, political, unjustifiable murder. There have always been guns in the USA. What changed from the days when you could pick up a machine gun at the hardware store or a student could work on a family gun in the school metal shop, but nothing like the present day crimes occurred?

Guns are machines designed to kill. That’s the only purpose for that equipment. Getting rid of all the guns will take some time but a simple problem to solve.

We need to work on the mental health aspect of this problem too. But there’s no commonality here. It’s not about left or right, trans or straight …

Not to personalize, but the highlighted is perhaps the epitome of magical thinking. Hundreds of millions of guns? Black market profiteers eagerly waiting to refill the supply? Constitutional barriers to confiscation? Hardly a “simple” problem.

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I came on here the other day as a Dem to praise Governor Cox for his calls for unity AND I RETRACT THEM.

Governor Cox is no unifier. Sadly his words the other day were empty given his gross press tour this weekend and the gasoline he just poured on the situation.

The WSJ reported that Trump called him immediately after the speech to tell him it was trash. Now, the governor says the shooter was "deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology," with no proof. He said the shooter isn't cooperative, and so he has to "draw conclusions."

It's sad but now my fury at MAGA is back. They're the violent ones and nobody is willing to stand up and tell the truth. Trump came out today and said when someone asked him how he might unify the country, "I don't care to."

As an American I'm disgusted, that no GOP will call out this dangerous rhetoric.

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More cognitive dissonance. It's convenient to select for "leaders" and ignore the electorate. Maybe you're not seeing the many celebrations on social media from leftists.

Plenty of republican leaders are calling for calm and peace. Governor Cox has been very impressive.

Here’s a tip: get off social media and you probably won’t see any “celebrations” at all. Social media is not real life. And “many”, among 44 million registered Democrats isn’t worth much.

Obviously social media is not "real life," but that doesn't mean it's without real life implications. if you're ignoring the polls on the younger generations and their attitudes towards the acceptability of political violence, then you're living with your head in the sand.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does it have to be someone’s fault and not just the shooter’s own depravity?
I am a democrat and my boys (20s)are productive members of society. Stop blaming and threatening a political party.This just sadly shows me that I am surrounded by people that do not share my norms or morals. Lynch mob mentality is foreign to me. The only battle cries I hear are the distant drumming of a scary divided nation with the beats getting louder and closer.

+100.
I’m right of center and a fan of Charlie Kirk’s and don’t blame the left or anyone else other than Tyler Robinson himself. There always have and always will be mentally unstable people who commit high profile murders. I don’t understand the need to assign “blame” to any political wing. Even if the left is to “blame” for this, obviously some right wing crazy will do something similar in the future.

Because only one political wing labeled him a Fascist.

Kirk was anti-trans and was very vocal about it. Hate begets hate. I don't believe people should be murdered for their political views, but in this country, where so many have easy access to guns, I would definitely not say anything publicly that could trigger people, pardon the pun.

Also, if Kirk and MAGA are so supportive of free speech, why do they want to dox people for voicing their opinions about Kirk?

Charlie Kirk didn’t believe in trans but he was not mean towards them. He didn’t hate them.

The left started it with cancel culture. You can’t be angry now that it’s turning back onto your side.

He was literally hating on them when he was shot.

He was speaking facts. We have had multiple trans and non-binary mass shooters.