Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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It’s such an easy problem to solve yet the Rs refuse to act. The only commonality of all these tragedies is guns.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t know Charlie Kirk, had absolutely no idea who he was until his death and I still really don’t understand who he was. However, I am shocked how no one is saying anything about enforcing gun control. There must be some level of cognitive dissonance at play here.

I would bet that there are a hundred posts in this thread calling for gun control. You just didn't read it.

Yes, there probably are. BUT
Not a single one from a Republican though.

Do you have any idea why though? Like seriously, do you understand the historical context behind not wanting to give up your gun to a tyrannical government?

A gun isn't going to save you from a tyrannical government.

Clearly not. All the big talkers just lubed up for tyranny instead. That concept is dead.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t know Charlie Kirk, had absolutely no idea who he was until his death and I still really don’t understand who he was. However, I am shocked how no one is saying anything about enforcing gun control. There must be some level of cognitive dissonance at play here.

I would bet that there are a hundred posts in this thread calling for gun control. You just didn't read it.

Yes, there probably are. BUT
Not a single one from a Republican though.

Do you have any idea why though? Like seriously, do you understand the historical context behind not wanting to give up your gun to a tyrannical government?

I would argue that the need for democracy over-rides the need for unrestricted gun use to counteract tyranny. The current level of gun violence is unsustainable.

Private ownership of firearms is a linchpin and foundation of the Republican form of government you refer to as “democracy,” and the latter would never have existed without the former.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does it have to be someone’s fault and not just the shooter’s own depravity?
I am a democrat and my boys (20s)are productive members of society. Stop blaming and threatening a political party.This just sadly shows me that I am surrounded by people that do not share my norms or morals. Lynch mob mentality is foreign to me. The only battle cries I hear are the distant drumming of a scary divided nation with the beats getting louder and closer.

+100.
I’m right of center and a fan of Charlie Kirk’s and don’t blame the left or anyone else other than Tyler Robinson himself. There always have and always will be mentally unstable people who commit high profile murders. I don’t understand the need to assign “blame” to any political wing. Even if the left is to “blame” for this, obviously some right wing crazy will do something similar in the future.

I was explaining to a Puerto Rican cab driver how things feel on the mainland in February of 2025. I said things were getting so heated, I didn't see how we could avoid violence. We both hoped I was wrong. I wasn't. This violence is a natural outcome of way overheated rhetoric that is primarily violent online and spills into real life.

I feel like, when I was a kid, there was still some political violence that was a spill-over from the 60s / 70s violence. For example, the Greensboro Massacre by the Klan in 1979. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greensboro_massacre

But now it feels like we're entering a new phase of post-Covid political violence fueled by isolation and the fact that some peoples' main lives are online. Both eras were dangerous and led to political violence. We came out of the previous era of political violence because of a consensus that the restoration of good governance was key to the continuance of our democracy. There was a mainstream consensus. Church attendance was higher.

Right now, I just don't see how our current political leadership is capable of leading us towards a better, more civil future.

Eve of Destruction just come on the radio for me and it made me think of this too.

One of the ways we got out of the previous round was through the shared catharsis of Watergate. The way out this time around is Epstein. The exit is staring us right in the face and we're hesitating.

That's interesting. I was in college then and I remember a close friend commenting on the notion that getting Nixon out of office was a sad thing for the country. He said, no, we were happy because it showed it could be done via political means. I do believe if the Senate had at least held full trials on Trump's impeachments--even if they did not remove him--it would have been better for the country. And maybe no impeachment the first time, especially since Zelensky didn't take the bait, but in the second event even if no vote but a resounding resolution to condemn the Capitol raid would have been helpful. As it was, the backpedalling just amplified Trump's self-righteousness. Also if his enablers had not continued to pursue the frivolous election court cases (frivolous since they HAD no actual evidence).

I agree that that should have been the off ramp but realize, although I disagree with it as an excuse, that we were in the eye of our Pandemic induced psychotic break.

Back then we, the middle 75%, agreed that what Nixon had done was beyond the bounds of social acceptance. Nowadays, after two decades of ever increasing anything goes partisanship inspired by post-Watergate cynicism, we need something apolitical.

Epstein, being a non-partisan bad actor that we can all agree was way out of bounds, is the only thing that can do that. We all just need to stop assuming things about other people's motivations and trust in the core value. Speak up and demand the files be released. Not because their release might harm the Clintons or Trump but because it's the right thing to do.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s such an easy problem to solve yet the Rs refuse to act. The only commonality of all these tragedies is guns.

And all the “grandad’s old deer rifle[s]” like the one used in this case will just magically vanish in an instant upon the passage of yet another magical piece of legislation? Of course they will.

And “only commonality of these tragedies” is not “guns.” It is people who have decided or been taught that it is OK to commit murder — vile, brutal, political, unjustifiable murder. There have always been guns in the USA. What changed from the days when you could pick up a machine gun at the hardware store or a student could work on a family gun in the school metal shop, but nothing like the present day crimes occurred?

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Anonymous wrote:Sadly this is a common tactic for LE. Even if his partner had some prior knowledge they will exploit every opportunity to get additional info before burning him.

Why is this “sad?” They are building a case against the killer or killers. No doubt roommate has a lawyer advising him to cooperate.

It’s sad because it will out the Trans community dead in the crosshairs of this administration.

I fear they will unleash some kind of new hell on Trans people.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not even going to attempt to read this thread, but I wanted to drop in to say that Charlie Kirk's assassination is/was deeply affecting to me. Seeing the video (somewhat inadvertently) was like a punch a gut. I've always been registered as a democrat but I changed my registration to republican yesterday. I know you all are going to say I'm a troll, but I can no longer stomach the political program infecting the democratic party from the left. Democrats are lost in the woods, either operating under total cognitive dissonance, or employing a murderous hate-filled practice of politics that I want no part of. My eyes were first opened to this hate-filled politics when seeing the rising levels of acceptable antisemitism and the treatment of American Jews on college campuses (already on Oct 8 = those jews had what was coming, they deserved to be slaughtered and raped), but Kirk's assassination is the final straw. He did not deserve this, no one does. Words are not violence, they do not permit violence in response. I did not agree with much of his politics, but I was thankful that SOMEONE still believed in the value of debate in the public square, and he was teaching that to the next generations.

Sure you did…

Why would you leave a party whose leaders ALL condemned the shooting and called for peace, and join a party whose leaders are calling for escalation and more political violence?

Please explain.

More cognitive dissonance. It's convenient to select for "leaders" and ignore the electorate. Maybe you're not seeing the many celebrations on social media from leftists.

Plenty of republican leaders are calling for calm and peace. Governor Cox has been very impressive.

This Gov Cox?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOgiU4ngOFl/?igsh=MXBueDZybDg1M21raQ==

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Anonymous wrote:We don’t care who he was in a relationship with. It doesn’t matter. His mom and dad armed him, taught him to shoot, and this is the outcome.

Yes they did. And they also have two younger boys. It’s time to enact a parent/guardian gun law. If you indoctrinate your kids, or anyone in your care, your guns are confiscated and you will stand trial. The outcome will determine imprisonment.

He's an adult now, though. How long would the parents' responsibility last?[/quote

On dcum it's at listen to the kid turned]

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Anonymous wrote:We don’t care who he was in a relationship with. It doesn’t matter. His mom and dad armed him, taught him to shoot, and this is the outcome.

Yes they did. And they also have two younger boys. It’s time to enact a parent/guardian gun law. If you indoctrinate your kids, or anyone in your care, your guns are confiscated and you will stand trial. The outcome will determine imprisonment.

He's an adult now, though. How long would the parents' responsibility last?

On DCum it's at least into the kid turns 60

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One of the casings was said to be engraved with the phrase “Hey Fascist! Catch!” followed by an up arrow, a right arrow, and three downward-facing arrows. That sequence is an apparent reference to the “Eagle 500kg bomb” in the popular third-person-shooter game Helldivers 2. The bomb has become a meme in the Helldivers community for being comically excessive.

It’s important to not read too deeply into any face-value political meaning of the messages on the bullet casings, Newhouse says. “It's pretty indicative of general speech associated with the deep parts of internet culture, in particular the types that are very much into irony posting and edgelord humor.”

This article talks about the 'meanings' of the other engravings too. Pretty much what the tiktok gamers were trying to explain.

https://www.wired.com/story/charlie-kirk-bullet-memes/

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not even going to attempt to read this thread, but I wanted to drop in to say that Charlie Kirk's assassination is/was deeply affecting to me. Seeing the video (somewhat inadvertently) was like a punch a gut. I've always been registered as a democrat but I changed my registration to republican yesterday. I know you all are going to say I'm a troll, but I can no longer stomach the political program infecting the democratic party from the left. Democrats are lost in the woods, either operating under total cognitive dissonance, or employing a murderous hate-filled practice of politics that I want no part of. My eyes were first opened to this hate-filled politics when seeing the rising levels of acceptable antisemitism and the treatment of American Jews on college campuses (already on Oct 8 = those jews had what was coming, they deserved to be slaughtered and raped), but Kirk's assassination is the final straw. He did not deserve this, no one does. Words are not violence, they do not permit violence in response. I did not agree with much of his politics, but I was thankful that SOMEONE still believed in the value of debate in the public square, and he was teaching that to the next generations.

Sure you did…

Why would you leave a party whose leaders ALL condemned the shooting and called for peace, and join a party whose leaders are calling for escalation and more political violence?

Please explain.

More cognitive dissonance. It's convenient to select for "leaders" and ignore the electorate. Maybe you're not seeing the many celebrations on social media from leftists.

Plenty of republican leaders are calling for calm and peace. Governor Cox has been very impressive.

This Gov Cox?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOgiU4ngOFl/?igsh=MXBueDZybDg1M21raQ==

What's wrong with that? He was hoping it wasn't someone from Utah but it was.

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Very weird. No law enforcement taped off and preserved a crime scene? Why was his body flown to AZ so fast? Why did his widow make a theatrical public speech and video with his corpse so quickly? Feels like manipulation and propaganda.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not even going to attempt to read this thread, but I wanted to drop in to say that Charlie Kirk's assassination is/was deeply affecting to me. Seeing the video (somewhat inadvertently) was like a punch a gut. I've always been registered as a democrat but I changed my registration to republican yesterday. I know you all are going to say I'm a troll, but I can no longer stomach the political program infecting the democratic party from the left. Democrats are lost in the woods, either operating under total cognitive dissonance, or employing a murderous hate-filled practice of politics that I want no part of. My eyes were first opened to this hate-filled politics when seeing the rising levels of acceptable antisemitism and the treatment of American Jews on college campuses (already on Oct 8 = those jews had what was coming, they deserved to be slaughtered and raped), but Kirk's assassination is the final straw. He did not deserve this, no one does. Words are not violence, they do not permit violence in response. I did not agree with much of his politics, but I was thankful that SOMEONE still believed in the value of debate in the public square, and he was teaching that to the next generations.

Sure you did…

Why would you leave a party whose leaders ALL condemned the shooting and called for peace, and join a party whose leaders are calling for escalation and more political violence?

Please explain.

More cognitive dissonance. It's convenient to select for "leaders" and ignore the electorate. Maybe you're not seeing the many celebrations on social media from leftists.

Plenty of republican leaders are calling for calm and peace. Governor Cox has been very impressive.

This Gov Cox?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOgiU4ngOFl/?igsh=MXBueDZybDg1M21raQ==

What's wrong with that? He was hoping it wasn't someone from Utah but it was.

His surprise that it could have been someone from Utah portrays serious myopia.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s such an easy problem to solve yet the Rs refuse to act. The only commonality of all these tragedies is guns.

And all the “grandad’s old deer rifle[s]” like the one used in this case will just magically vanish in an instant upon the passage of yet another magical piece of legislation? Of course they will.

And “only commonality of these tragedies” is not “guns.” It is people who have decided or been taught that it is OK to commit murder — vile, brutal, political, unjustifiable murder. There have always been guns in the USA. What changed from the days when you could pick up a machine gun at the hardware store or a student could work on a family gun in the school metal shop, but nothing like the present day crimes occurred?

Guns are machines designed to kill. That’s the only purpose for that equipment. Getting rid of all the guns will take some time but a simple problem to solve.

We need to work on the mental health aspect of this problem too. But there’s no commonality here. It’s not about left or right, trans or straight …

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Anonymous wrote:All of you acting like the death of Charlie Kirk is a red line that was crossed, that there should be battle cries are completely full of shit.

You said nothing when the Wortman family was shot to death in a horrific act of political violence, you said nothing when a white supremacist shot up a school earlier this week.

If those didn't matter to you then you have NO credibility carrying on about Charlie Kirk. None.

You all need to go and do some deep soul searching.

They said nothing when a white supremacist killed African Americans in a supermarket

They said nothing when a white supremacist gunned dozens of Hispanics at a Walmart .
The list goes on and on.selective empathy isn't a one way thing .