Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:People are so glad to have some sick gotcha moment here. The guy’s still dead. So how is this good news for you? The shooter could be straight, gay, brown, black, white, tall, short…. He’s still dead and somehow you all are claiming some kind of sick victory.

Only bc for the past 250 pages, you libs were saying it was an alt right wacko - stretching at anything and everything to make him right and not left. Because you have it in your minds that hatred and evil can only come from the right side of the political spectrum.

At the end of the day, no it doesn’t matter which side the weirdo was on but it is a little vindicating that it was exactly what I suspected from the start.

He was an extreme leftist who hated Charlie for his views. “Agree with me or die” mentality is dangerous.

I’m not a “you lib.”
And Charlie Kirk is still dead.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t know Charlie Kirk, had absolutely no idea who he was until his death and I still really don’t understand who he was. However, I am shocked how no one is saying anything about enforcing gun control. There must be some level of cognitive dissonance at play here.

I didn’t either. But I’m more concerned that there is a pervasive online culture that is driving young men to publicly assassin individuals with different political/ideological beliefs in order to silence them and gain clout, notoriety, and attention, and that they are encouraged to do so by fellow people (probably other young men) of the dark internet. That isn’t to say gun control isn’t needed, but I don’t see it as the major problem here. Kids’ brains are getting scrambled

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t know Charlie Kirk, had absolutely no idea who he was until his death and I still really don’t understand who he was. However, I am shocked how no one is saying anything about enforcing gun control. There must be some level of cognitive dissonance at play here.

I would bet that there are a hundred posts in this thread calling for gun control. You just didn't read it.

Yes, there probably are. BUT
Not a single one from a Republican though.

They are willing to accept deaths, including little children, so that they can have guns, except it appears, they are triggered now that a MAGA talking head was killed.

So, to them, a MAGA talking head is more important than the lives children. This from people who claim to support babies and are "pro life".

There's a lot of irony in this situation.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not even going to attempt to read this thread, but I wanted to drop in to say that Charlie Kirk's assassination is/was deeply affecting to me. Seeing the video (somewhat inadvertently) was like a punch a gut. I've always been registered as a democrat but I changed my registration to republican yesterday. I know you all are going to say I'm a troll, but I can no longer stomach the political program infecting the democratic party from the left. Democrats are lost in the woods, either operating under total cognitive dissonance, or employing a murderous hate-filled practice of politics that I want no part of. My eyes were first opened to this hate-filled politics when seeing the rising levels of acceptable antisemitism and the treatment of American Jews on college campuses (already on Oct 8 = those jews had what was coming, they deserved to be slaughtered and raped), but Kirk's assassination is the final straw. He did not deserve this, no one does. Words are not violence, they do not permit violence in response. I did not agree with much of his politics, but I was thankful that SOMEONE still believed in the value of debate in the public square, and he was teaching that to the next generations.

Sure you did…

Why would you leave a party whose leaders ALL condemned the shooting and called for peace, and join a party whose leaders are calling for escalation and more political violence?

Please explain.

More cognitive dissonance. It's convenient to select for "leaders" and ignore the electorate. Maybe you're not seeing the many celebrations on social media from leftists.

Plenty of republican leaders are calling for calm and peace. Governor Cox has been very impressive.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t know Charlie Kirk, had absolutely no idea who he was until his death and I still really don’t understand who he was. However, I am shocked how no one is saying anything about enforcing gun control. There must be some level of cognitive dissonance at play here.

I didn’t either. But I’m more concerned that there is a pervasive online culture that is driving young men to publicly assassin individuals with different political/ideological beliefs in order to silence them and gain clout, notoriety, and attention, and that they are encouraged to do so by fellow people (probably other young men) of the dark internet. That isn’t to say gun control isn’t needed, but I don’t see it as the major problem here. Kids’ brains are getting scrambled

It’s clearly a gun issue as much as a radical lonely extremist issue.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not even going to attempt to read this thread, but I wanted to drop in to say that Charlie Kirk's assassination is/was deeply affecting to me. Seeing the video (somewhat inadvertently) was like a punch a gut. I've always been registered as a democrat but I changed my registration to republican yesterday. I know you all are going to say I'm a troll, but I can no longer stomach the political program infecting the democratic party from the left. Democrats are lost in the woods, either operating under total cognitive dissonance, or employing a murderous hate-filled practice of politics that I want no part of. My eyes were first opened to this hate-filled politics when seeing the rising levels of acceptable antisemitism and the treatment of American Jews on college campuses (already on Oct 8 = those jews had what was coming, they deserved to be slaughtered and raped), but Kirk's assassination is the final straw. He did not deserve this, no one does. Words are not violence, they do not permit violence in response. I did not agree with much of his politics, but I was thankful that SOMEONE still believed in the value of debate in the public square, and he was teaching that to the next generations.

Sure you did…

Why would you leave a party whose leaders ALL condemned the shooting and called for peace, and join a party whose leaders are calling for escalation and more political violence?

Please explain.

More cognitive dissonance. It's convenient to select for "leaders" and ignore the electorate. Maybe you're not seeing the many celebrations on social media from leftists.

Plenty of republican leaders are calling for calm and peace. Governor Cox has been very impressive.

But will any change gun laws? Or try to do anything?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn’t know Charlie Kirk, had absolutely no idea who he was until his death and I still really don’t understand who he was. However, I am shocked how no one is saying anything about enforcing gun control. There must be some level of cognitive dissonance at play here.

I would bet that there are a hundred posts in this thread calling for gun control. You just didn't read it.

Yes, there probably are. BUT
Not a single one from a Republican though.

Do you have any idea why though? Like seriously, do you understand the historical context behind not wanting to give up your gun to a tyrannical government?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t know Charlie Kirk, had absolutely no idea who he was until his death and I still really don’t understand who he was. However, I am shocked how no one is saying anything about enforcing gun control. There must be some level of cognitive dissonance at play here.

I didn’t either. But I’m more concerned that there is a pervasive online culture that is driving young men to publicly assassin individuals with different political/ideological beliefs in order to silence them and gain clout, notoriety, and attention, and that they are encouraged to do so by fellow people (probably other young men) of the dark internet. That isn’t to say gun control isn’t needed, but I don’t see it as the major problem here. Kids’ brains are getting scrambled

It’s clearly a gun issue as much as a radical lonely extremist issue.

Yes, and both problems need to be addressed with policy solutions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We don’t care who he was in a relationship with. It doesn’t matter. His mom and dad armed him, taught him to shoot, and this is the outcome.

Yes they did. And they also have two younger boys. It’s time to enact a parent/guardian gun law. If you indoctrinate your kids, or anyone in your care, your guns are confiscated and you will stand trial. The outcome will determine imprisonment.

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Anonymous wrote:Did we talk about this?

Charlie Kirk suspect was in romantic relationship with transgender roommate
https://www.axios.com/2025/09/13/kirk-suspect-transgender-roommate

People here are trying to ignore and deflect.

Turns out it was it was as we suspected from the start: radicalized left wing weirdo fueled by his hatred of Charlie’s views.

Hate begets hate.

Yes, the hate of the RWNJs has many casualties.

The right wing have been spewing hateful messages since Trump made it ok to do that. Hate begets hate.

Also, you conveniently ignore actual politicians who are Dems who have been murdered/attacked in the past few years.

And let's not forget Comet Ping Pong. That wasn't lefties who shot up the pizza place.

Words are powerful. If you spew hateful message, you will get hate in return. And Trump is doing nothing to unite the country. He's even more divisive in his second term.

-signed an Independent

I am not going to get into a tit-for-tat with you. I could name plenty of incendiary remarks and actions on the part of the left that has caused death and destruction (have we forgotten about the baseball shooting or the attempted assassinations of Kavanaugh/Lee Zeldin/Trump?).

When people are constantly - and i mean CONSTANTLY - referred to as fascist, nazis, and the like - it signals to unhinged idiots that these people need to be taken out by any means necessary. Why wouldn't you want to kill a Nazi?

And, one more thing.... signing yourself as an "Independent" means nothing. Nothing at all.

Here's a helpful hint. If you don't want to be called a fascist or Nazi, then stop saying things that make you sound like one.

Denigrating lgbtq trans people, and blaming immigrants for your woes are things the Nazis did.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We don’t care who he was in a relationship with. It doesn’t matter. His mom and dad armed him, taught him to shoot, and this is the outcome.

Yes they did. And they also have two younger boys. It’s time to enact a parent/guardian gun law. If you indoctrinate your kids, or anyone in your care, your guns are confiscated and you will stand trial. The outcome will determine imprisonment.

He's an adult now, though. How long would the parents' responsibility last?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn’t know Charlie Kirk, had absolutely no idea who he was until his death and I still really don’t understand who he was. However, I am shocked how no one is saying anything about enforcing gun control. There must be some level of cognitive dissonance at play here.

I would bet that there are a hundred posts in this thread calling for gun control. You just didn't read it.

Yes, there probably are. BUT
Not a single one from a Republican though.

Do you have any idea why though? Like seriously, do you understand the historical context behind not wanting to give up your gun to a tyrannical government?

A gun isn't going to save you from a tyrannical government.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not even going to attempt to read this thread, but I wanted to drop in to say that Charlie Kirk's assassination is/was deeply affecting to me. Seeing the video (somewhat inadvertently) was like a punch a gut. I've always been registered as a democrat but I changed my registration to republican yesterday. I know you all are going to say I'm a troll, but I can no longer stomach the political program infecting the democratic party from the left. Democrats are lost in the woods, either operating under total cognitive dissonance, or employing a murderous hate-filled practice of politics that I want no part of. My eyes were first opened to this hate-filled politics when seeing the rising levels of acceptable antisemitism and the treatment of American Jews on college campuses (already on Oct 8 = those jews had what was coming, they deserved to be slaughtered and raped), but Kirk's assassination is the final straw. He did not deserve this, no one does. Words are not violence, they do not permit violence in response. I did not agree with much of his politics, but I was thankful that SOMEONE still believed in the value of debate in the public square, and he was teaching that to the next generations.

Sure you did…

Why would you leave a party whose leaders ALL condemned the shooting and called for peace, and join a party whose leaders are calling for escalation and more political violence?

Please explain.

More cognitive dissonance. It's convenient to select for "leaders" and ignore the electorate. Maybe you're not seeing the many celebrations on social media from leftists.

Plenty of republican leaders are calling for calm and peace. Governor Cox has been very impressive.

But will any change gun laws? Or try to do anything?

I agree gun laws are important, but something much deeper is at stake here. We have totally lost the plot as a country if our path continues on this hate-filled rage-filled path, and all we focus on is differences and disagreements rather than what connects us as fellow Americans. Ifyou actually watched Kirk's campus visits (and not just the cherry-picked soundbites out of context) you would see that he often talked about how its ok to disagree, and that talking it out was important, and he'd also connect to the person over shared beliefs. This is what Ezra Klein meant when he said Kirk was doing politics right.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn’t know Charlie Kirk, had absolutely no idea who he was until his death and I still really don’t understand who he was. However, I am shocked how no one is saying anything about enforcing gun control. There must be some level of cognitive dissonance at play here.

I would bet that there are a hundred posts in this thread calling for gun control. You just didn't read it.

Yes, there probably are. BUT
Not a single one from a Republican though.

Do you have any idea why though? Like seriously, do you understand the historical context behind not wanting to give up your gun to a tyrannical government?

I would argue that the need for democracy over-rides the need for unrestricted gun use to counteract tyranny. The current level of gun violence is unsustainable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did we talk about this?

Charlie Kirk suspect was in romantic relationship with transgender roommate
https://www.axios.com/2025/09/13/kirk-suspect-transgender-roommate

People here are trying to ignore and deflect.

Turns out it was it was as we suspected from the start: radicalized left wing weirdo fueled by his hatred of Charlie’s views.

This.

Oh, I bet that we are going to find out so much more about the shooter, the roommate, Turning Point, Fuentes, so many things and people will be introduced into evidence.

You are nuts. This has zero to do with Fuentes, groypers. It has to do with a guy who was romantically involved with a transgender person. TR killed Kirk because Kirk didn’t approve of his love life.

That’s your opinion. Mine is that we are going to see a lot of interesting things about who radicalized this kid, and who funds that radicalization. We might very well get to see under the hood of the far right religious extremist machine.

It could be as good as the release of the Epstein files!