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I agree CCL will outlast NPL with most of it's clubs staying put. I think NPL and ECNL will eventually have to combine to stay relevant.

Your statement screams ignorance. VPL is a league made by teams in southern VA that wanted better competition, NOVA clubs later joined in. ECNL is specifically to have higher level competition for girls in their latter stages of their youth in order to showcased, scouted, and play in college. The identification for NPL is through the PDP and Id2 programs for individuals, not team focused. For boys, a newly created ENPL will allow teams in NPL's across the nation compete for national level status. It is to compete with USYS National competition and US soccer DA programs. The structure is already in place for ECNL for scouts to come, why would a few girls moving from ECNL to DA disrupt that. Everyone seems to think if you're not in ECNL it's probably because you can't cut it. I a would argue the more elite level of platforms available, the more players will be interested in competing at that level.

VPL was created for better competition ? Isn't that the league that most of the clubs with ECNL and DA put their second tier teams ?

The U.S. soccer federation directly runs the boys and girls DA program. http://www.ussoccerda.com/home.php. Clearly, they also have a national footprint.


Perfectly and accurately stated.
US Club soccer is the parent organization for ECNL, ENPL, and NPL leagues. http://usclubsoccer.org (check the "about" tab). They also run the id2 program. US Club soccer and ECNL have a national footprint, and looks like ENPL will be the same.

US Youth Soccer (http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/) runs ODP and a national league (the Eastern Regional League for this area) -- so a national footprint, although waning in stature, according to folks on this blog. They're the primary national organization for the various youth state leagues (like VYSA http://www.vysa.com) which is why ODP feeds into the US Youth Soccer national league competition/championship. And the state-sponsered State Cup competitions also fall under the US Youth Soccer umbrella.

NCSL and ODSL are local leagues for local clubs, as was WAGS before it was absorbed by NCSL. CCL is a self-described elite league, but it too is local, only serving this region. CCL as a league does not have the nation-wide affiliations, sponsorship, and contacts of the three organizations above. That's why CCL is more likely to wane, and more quickly, than NPL, which has a natural feeder affiliation via US CLub Soccer with the ECNL (girls) and new ENPL (boys) teams.

For what it's worth, VYSA (especially ODP coaching staff) and CCL are very closely tied together, so that may be where CCL goes to try to get some additional juice to compete with other leagues.

This was said before NVSC moved to CCL. I don't think those parents know what they're in for. NVSC is a competitive club, it's small in footprint but not in aspirations. The way I see it few parents commit more than just the practices by the clubs and the several camps provided by MVP. They are going to see right through the CCL myth(and for those that say CCL doesn't consider itself to be an 'Elite' league, why call themselves "Champions'?) and know that games mean nothing, the travel is crazy, the competition drastically falls off after U11 since McLean has a DA at U12 and Arlington has their DA teams starting at U12 too. BRYC left recently, and exclusive to Girls side FCV, McLean, WS Spirit are scouting to make the best DA teams. Loudoun's first team will not consist of their 1st team players. I think US Club Soccer can sniff out an opportunity to convert the NPL in VA to a ENPL and attract more clubs in the area.

Except that 4 NPL clubs feed directly into Girls DA. I don't think PWSI, VSA, CYA or FCV feel particularly compelled to move to CCL. And why would they? Parents with DA aspirations will get their kids into those clubs regardless of where their U Littles play.

Yes and no. VDA is taking from all places, so if you live in the McLean, Fairfax, Vienna area, there's no reason why you wouldn't tryout for a VDA slot. Since there are three clubs for one DA team, I would say it is likely that a lot of talent will stay in club's 1st team throughout the three clubs. Not sure what's going on with the FCV teams, on the boys or girls side. The four teams you mentioned aren't going to CCL, ever.

PWSI was in CCL until they got the DA, and respectfully said since they wouldn't be able to honor the agreement to place their 1st team in CCL, they would have to withdraw. Take note that at that time PWSI only received U13 Boys DA, there was no reason for them to not continue with the rest of their boys in the 1st team and their entire Girl's 1st teams. PWSI read the tea leaves and got out asap, notice that in the press release below McLean lost the DA, they got it back now. Arlington at that time didn't have the DA. CCL cannot claim itself to be the destination where the every team field's their 1st team, it is literally impossible with the rules the DA forces clubs to adhere to.

See press release PWSI leaving CCL, McLean joins: http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-boys/mclean-youth-soccer-va-to-join-club-champions-league-replacing-pwsi/
Arlington gets DA: http://www.arlingtonsoccer.com/13889/
McLean gets U12 DA affiliation: http://www.mcleansoccer.org/Academy_Overview

Since NPL is beneath ECNL within US CLub structure there is no "A team" requirement. So yes, PWSI and FCV will never join CCL. VSA and CYA on the other hand do not have any real stake in DA and can join any league they wish.

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I agree CCL will outlast NPL with most of it's clubs staying put. I think NPL and ECNL will eventually have to combine to stay relevant.

Your statement screams ignorance. VPL is a league made by teams in southern VA that wanted better competition, NOVA clubs later joined in. ECNL is specifically to have higher level competition for girls in their latter stages of their youth in order to showcased, scouted, and play in college. The identification for NPL is through the PDP and Id2 programs for individuals, not team focused. For boys, a newly created ENPL will allow teams in NPL's across the nation compete for national level status. It is to compete with USYS National competition and US soccer DA programs. The structure is already in place for ECNL for scouts to come, why would a few girls moving from ECNL to DA disrupt that. Everyone seems to think if you're not in ECNL it's probably because you can't cut it. I a would argue the more elite level of platforms available, the more players will be interested in competing at that level.

VPL was created for better competition ? Isn't that the league that most of the clubs with ECNL and DA put their second tier teams ?

The U.S. soccer federation directly runs the boys and girls DA program. http://www.ussoccerda.com/home.php. Clearly, they also have a national footprint.


Perfectly and accurately stated.
US Club soccer is the parent organization for ECNL, ENPL, and NPL leagues. http://usclubsoccer.org (check the "about" tab). They also run the id2 program. US Club soccer and ECNL have a national footprint, and looks like ENPL will be the same.

US Youth Soccer (http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/) runs ODP and a national league (the Eastern Regional League for this area) -- so a national footprint, although waning in stature, according to folks on this blog. They're the primary national organization for the various youth state leagues (like VYSA http://www.vysa.com) which is why ODP feeds into the US Youth Soccer national league competition/championship. And the state-sponsered State Cup competitions also fall under the US Youth Soccer umbrella.

NCSL and ODSL are local leagues for local clubs, as was WAGS before it was absorbed by NCSL. CCL is a self-described elite league, but it too is local, only serving this region. CCL as a league does not have the nation-wide affiliations, sponsorship, and contacts of the three organizations above. That's why CCL is more likely to wane, and more quickly, than NPL, which has a natural feeder affiliation via US CLub Soccer with the ECNL (girls) and new ENPL (boys) teams.

For what it's worth, VYSA (especially ODP coaching staff) and CCL are very closely tied together, so that may be where CCL goes to try to get some additional juice to compete with other leagues.

This was said before NVSC moved to CCL. I don't think those parents know what they're in for. NVSC is a competitive club, it's small in footprint but not in aspirations. The way I see it few parents commit more than just the practices by the clubs and the several camps provided by MVP. They are going to see right through the CCL myth(and for those that say CCL doesn't consider itself to be an 'Elite' league, why call themselves "Champions'?) and know that games mean nothing, the travel is crazy, the competition drastically falls off after U11 since McLean has a DA at U12 and Arlington has their DA teams starting at U12 too. BRYC left recently, and exclusive to Girls side FCV, McLean, WS Spirit are scouting to make the best DA teams. Loudoun's first team will not consist of their 1st team players. I think US Club Soccer can sniff out an opportunity to convert the NPL in VA to a ENPL and attract more clubs in the area.

Except that 4 NPL clubs feed directly into Girls DA. I don't think PWSI, VSA, CYA or FCV feel particularly compelled to move to CCL. And why would they? Parents with DA aspirations will get their kids into those clubs regardless of where their U Littles play.

Yes and no. VDA is taking from all places, so if you live in the McLean, Fairfax, Vienna area, there's no reason why you wouldn't tryout for a VDA slot. Since there are three clubs for one DA team, I would say it is likely that a lot of talent will stay in club's 1st team throughout the three clubs. Not sure what's going on with the FCV teams, on the boys or girls side. The four teams you mentioned aren't going to CCL, ever.

PWSI was in CCL until they got the DA, and respectfully said since they wouldn't be able to honor the agreement to place their 1st team in CCL, they would have to withdraw. Take note that at that time PWSI only received U13 Boys DA, there was no reason for them to not continue with the rest of their boys in the 1st team and their entire Girl's 1st teams. PWSI read the tea leaves and got out asap, notice that in the press release below McLean lost the DA, they got it back now. Arlington at that time didn't have the DA. CCL cannot claim itself to be the destination where the every team field's their 1st team, it is literally impossible with the rules the DA forces clubs to adhere to.

See press release PWSI leaving CCL, McLean joins: http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-boys/mclean-youth-soccer-va-to-join-club-champions-league-replacing-pwsi/
Arlington gets DA: http://www.arlingtonsoccer.com/13889/
McLean gets U12 DA affiliation: http://www.mcleansoccer.org/Academy_Overview

Since NPL is beneath ECNL within US CLub structure there is no "A team" requirement. So yes, PWSI and FCV will never join CCL. VSA and CYA on the other hand do not have any real stake in DA and can join any league they wish.

VSA and CYA both are currently in NPL, if one those were to go to CCL, then I can see why the other would have a reason to follow. At that point, including both travel and competition, NPL would be thinner and the amount of league games would probably be close to five or six.

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I agree CCL will outlast NPL with most of it's clubs staying put. I think NPL and ECNL will eventually have to combine to stay relevant.

Your statement screams ignorance. VPL is a league made by teams in southern VA that wanted better competition, NOVA clubs later joined in. ECNL is specifically to have higher level competition for girls in their latter stages of their youth in order to showcased, scouted, and play in college. The identification for NPL is through the PDP and Id2 programs for individuals, not team focused. For boys, a newly created ENPL will allow teams in NPL's across the nation compete for national level status. It is to compete with USYS National competition and US soccer DA programs. The structure is already in place for ECNL for scouts to come, why would a few girls moving from ECNL to DA disrupt that. Everyone seems to think if you're not in ECNL it's probably because you can't cut it. I a would argue the more elite level of platforms available, the more players will be interested in competing at that level.

VPL was created for better competition ? Isn't that the league that most of the clubs with ECNL and DA put their second tier teams ?

The U.S. soccer federation directly runs the boys and girls DA program. http://www.ussoccerda.com/home.php. Clearly, they also have a national footprint.


Perfectly and accurately stated.
US Club soccer is the parent organization for ECNL, ENPL, and NPL leagues. http://usclubsoccer.org (check the "about" tab). They also run the id2 program. US Club soccer and ECNL have a national footprint, and looks like ENPL will be the same.

US Youth Soccer (http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/) runs ODP and a national league (the Eastern Regional League for this area) -- so a national footprint, although waning in stature, according to folks on this blog. They're the primary national organization for the various youth state leagues (like VYSA http://www.vysa.com) which is why ODP feeds into the US Youth Soccer national league competition/championship. And the state-sponsered State Cup competitions also fall under the US Youth Soccer umbrella.

NCSL and ODSL are local leagues for local clubs, as was WAGS before it was absorbed by NCSL. CCL is a self-described elite league, but it too is local, only serving this region. CCL as a league does not have the nation-wide affiliations, sponsorship, and contacts of the three organizations above. That's why CCL is more likely to wane, and more quickly, than NPL, which has a natural feeder affiliation via US CLub Soccer with the ECNL (girls) and new ENPL (boys) teams.

For what it's worth, VYSA (especially ODP coaching staff) and CCL are very closely tied together, so that may be where CCL goes to try to get some additional juice to compete with other leagues.

This was said before NVSC moved to CCL. I don't think those parents know what they're in for. NVSC is a competitive club, it's small in footprint but not in aspirations. The way I see it few parents commit more than just the practices by the clubs and the several camps provided by MVP. They are going to see right through the CCL myth(and for those that say CCL doesn't consider itself to be an 'Elite' league, why call themselves "Champions'?) and know that games mean nothing, the travel is crazy, the competition drastically falls off after U11 since McLean has a DA at U12 and Arlington has their DA teams starting at U12 too. BRYC left recently, and exclusive to Girls side FCV, McLean, WS Spirit are scouting to make the best DA teams. Loudoun's first team will not consist of their 1st team players. I think US Club Soccer can sniff out an opportunity to convert the NPL in VA to a ENPL and attract more clubs in the area.

Except that 4 NPL clubs feed directly into Girls DA. I don't think PWSI, VSA, CYA or FCV feel particularly compelled to move to CCL. And why would they? Parents with DA aspirations will get their kids into those clubs regardless of where their U Littles play.

Yes and no. VDA is taking from all places, so if you live in the McLean, Fairfax, Vienna area, there's no reason why you wouldn't tryout for a VDA slot. Since there are three clubs for one DA team, I would say it is likely that a lot of talent will stay in club's 1st team throughout the three clubs. Not sure what's going on with the FCV teams, on the boys or girls side. The four teams you mentioned aren't going to CCL, ever.

PWSI was in CCL until they got the DA, and respectfully said since they wouldn't be able to honor the agreement to place their 1st team in CCL, they would have to withdraw. Take note that at that time PWSI only received U13 Boys DA, there was no reason for them to not continue with the rest of their boys in the 1st team and their entire Girl's 1st teams. PWSI read the tea leaves and got out asap, notice that in the press release below McLean lost the DA, they got it back now. Arlington at that time didn't have the DA. CCL cannot claim itself to be the destination where the every team field's their 1st team, it is literally impossible with the rules the DA forces clubs to adhere to.

See press release PWSI leaving CCL, McLean joins: http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-boys/mclean-youth-soccer-va-to-join-club-champions-league-replacing-pwsi/
Arlington gets DA: http://www.arlingtonsoccer.com/13889/
McLean gets U12 DA affiliation: http://www.mcleansoccer.org/Academy_Overview

Since NPL is beneath ECNL within US CLub structure there is no "A team" requirement. So yes, PWSI and FCV will never join CCL. VSA and CYA on the other hand do not have any real stake in DA and can join any league they wish.

VSA and CYA both are currently in NPL, if one those were to go to CCL, then I can see why the other would have a reason to follow. At that point, including both travel and competition, NPL would be thinner and the amount of league games would probably be close to five or six.

For boys, there is no ECNL option in the area, so NPL in Virginia would receive, if any, US Club Soccer support to expand.

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I agree CCL will outlast NPL with most of it's clubs staying put. I think NPL and ECNL will eventually have to combine to stay relevant.

Your statement screams ignorance. VPL is a league made by teams in southern VA that wanted better competition, NOVA clubs later joined in. ECNL is specifically to have higher level competition for girls in their latter stages of their youth in order to showcased, scouted, and play in college. The identification for NPL is through the PDP and Id2 programs for individuals, not team focused. For boys, a newly created ENPL will allow teams in NPL's across the nation compete for national level status. It is to compete with USYS National competition and US soccer DA programs. The structure is already in place for ECNL for scouts to come, why would a few girls moving from ECNL to DA disrupt that. Everyone seems to think if you're not in ECNL it's probably because you can't cut it. I a would argue the more elite level of platforms available, the more players will be interested in competing at that level.

VPL was created for better competition ? Isn't that the league that most of the clubs with ECNL and DA put their second tier teams ?

The U.S. soccer federation directly runs the boys and girls DA program. http://www.ussoccerda.com/home.php. Clearly, they also have a national footprint.


Perfectly and accurately stated.
US Club soccer is the parent organization for ECNL, ENPL, and NPL leagues. http://usclubsoccer.org (check the "about" tab). They also run the id2 program. US Club soccer and ECNL have a national footprint, and looks like ENPL will be the same.

US Youth Soccer (http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/) runs ODP and a national league (the Eastern Regional League for this area) -- so a national footprint, although waning in stature, according to folks on this blog. They're the primary national organization for the various youth state leagues (like VYSA http://www.vysa.com) which is why ODP feeds into the US Youth Soccer national league competition/championship. And the state-sponsered State Cup competitions also fall under the US Youth Soccer umbrella.

NCSL and ODSL are local leagues for local clubs, as was WAGS before it was absorbed by NCSL. CCL is a self-described elite league, but it too is local, only serving this region. CCL as a league does not have the nation-wide affiliations, sponsorship, and contacts of the three organizations above. That's why CCL is more likely to wane, and more quickly, than NPL, which has a natural feeder affiliation via US CLub Soccer with the ECNL (girls) and new ENPL (boys) teams.

For what it's worth, VYSA (especially ODP coaching staff) and CCL are very closely tied together, so that may be where CCL goes to try to get some additional juice to compete with other leagues.

This was said before NVSC moved to CCL. I don't think those parents know what they're in for. NVSC is a competitive club, it's small in footprint but not in aspirations. The way I see it few parents commit more than just the practices by the clubs and the several camps provided by MVP. They are going to see right through the CCL myth(and for those that say CCL doesn't consider itself to be an 'Elite' league, why call themselves "Champions'?) and know that games mean nothing, the travel is crazy, the competition drastically falls off after U11 since McLean has a DA at U12 and Arlington has their DA teams starting at U12 too. BRYC left recently, and exclusive to Girls side FCV, McLean, WS Spirit are scouting to make the best DA teams. Loudoun's first team will not consist of their 1st team players. I think US Club Soccer can sniff out an opportunity to convert the NPL in VA to a ENPL and attract more clubs in the area.

Except that 4 NPL clubs feed directly into Girls DA. I don't think PWSI, VSA, CYA or FCV feel particularly compelled to move to CCL. And why would they? Parents with DA aspirations will get their kids into those clubs regardless of where their U Littles play.

Yes and no. VDA is taking from all places, so if you live in the McLean, Fairfax, Vienna area, there's no reason why you wouldn't tryout for a VDA slot. Since there are three clubs for one DA team, I would say it is likely that a lot of talent will stay in club's 1st team throughout the three clubs. Not sure what's going on with the FCV teams, on the boys or girls side. The four teams you mentioned aren't going to CCL, ever.

PWSI was in CCL until they got the DA, and respectfully said since they wouldn't be able to honor the agreement to place their 1st team in CCL, they would have to withdraw. Take note that at that time PWSI only received U13 Boys DA, there was no reason for them to not continue with the rest of their boys in the 1st team and their entire Girl's 1st teams. PWSI read the tea leaves and got out asap, notice that in the press release below McLean lost the DA, they got it back now. Arlington at that time didn't have the DA. CCL cannot claim itself to be the destination where the every team field's their 1st team, it is literally impossible with the rules the DA forces clubs to adhere to.

See press release PWSI leaving CCL, McLean joins: http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-boys/mclean-youth-soccer-va-to-join-club-champions-league-replacing-pwsi/
Arlington gets DA: http://www.arlingtonsoccer.com/13889/
McLean gets U12 DA affiliation: http://www.mcleansoccer.org/Academy_Overview

Since NPL is beneath ECNL within US CLub structure there is no "A team" requirement. So yes, PWSI and FCV will never join CCL. VSA and CYA on the other hand do not have any real stake in DA and can join any league they wish.

I am new to the travel scene and had a question. When these clubs exist the CCL to join other leagues for older ages. Why cant the younger ages remain in the CCL? It looks like that is what Mclean is doing. Is it a cost issue?

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I agree CCL will outlast NPL with most of it's clubs staying put. I think NPL and ECNL will eventually have to combine to stay relevant.

Your statement screams ignorance. VPL is a league made by teams in southern VA that wanted better competition, NOVA clubs later joined in. ECNL is specifically to have higher level competition for girls in their latter stages of their youth in order to showcased, scouted, and play in college. The identification for NPL is through the PDP and Id2 programs for individuals, not team focused. For boys, a newly created ENPL will allow teams in NPL's across the nation compete for national level status. It is to compete with USYS National competition and US soccer DA programs. The structure is already in place for ECNL for scouts to come, why would a few girls moving from ECNL to DA disrupt that. Everyone seems to think if you're not in ECNL it's probably because you can't cut it. I a would argue the more elite level of platforms available, the more players will be interested in competing at that level.

VPL was created for better competition ? Isn't that the league that most of the clubs with ECNL and DA put their second tier teams ?

The U.S. soccer federation directly runs the boys and girls DA program. http://www.ussoccerda.com/home.php. Clearly, they also have a national footprint.


Perfectly and accurately stated.
US Club soccer is the parent organization for ECNL, ENPL, and NPL leagues. http://usclubsoccer.org (check the "about" tab). They also run the id2 program. US Club soccer and ECNL have a national footprint, and looks like ENPL will be the same.

US Youth Soccer (http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/) runs ODP and a national league (the Eastern Regional League for this area) -- so a national footprint, although waning in stature, according to folks on this blog. They're the primary national organization for the various youth state leagues (like VYSA http://www.vysa.com) which is why ODP feeds into the US Youth Soccer national league competition/championship. And the state-sponsered State Cup competitions also fall under the US Youth Soccer umbrella.

NCSL and ODSL are local leagues for local clubs, as was WAGS before it was absorbed by NCSL. CCL is a self-described elite league, but it too is local, only serving this region. CCL as a league does not have the nation-wide affiliations, sponsorship, and contacts of the three organizations above. That's why CCL is more likely to wane, and more quickly, than NPL, which has a natural feeder affiliation via US CLub Soccer with the ECNL (girls) and new ENPL (boys) teams.

For what it's worth, VYSA (especially ODP coaching staff) and CCL are very closely tied together, so that may be where CCL goes to try to get some additional juice to compete with other leagues.

This was said before NVSC moved to CCL. I don't think those parents know what they're in for. NVSC is a competitive club, it's small in footprint but not in aspirations. The way I see it few parents commit more than just the practices by the clubs and the several camps provided by MVP. They are going to see right through the CCL myth(and for those that say CCL doesn't consider itself to be an 'Elite' league, why call themselves "Champions'?) and know that games mean nothing, the travel is crazy, the competition drastically falls off after U11 since McLean has a DA at U12 and Arlington has their DA teams starting at U12 too. BRYC left recently, and exclusive to Girls side FCV, McLean, WS Spirit are scouting to make the best DA teams. Loudoun's first team will not consist of their 1st team players. I think US Club Soccer can sniff out an opportunity to convert the NPL in VA to a ENPL and attract more clubs in the area.

Except that 4 NPL clubs feed directly into Girls DA. I don't think PWSI, VSA, CYA or FCV feel particularly compelled to move to CCL. And why would they? Parents with DA aspirations will get their kids into those clubs regardless of where their U Littles play.

Yes and no. VDA is taking from all places, so if you live in the McLean, Fairfax, Vienna area, there's no reason why you wouldn't tryout for a VDA slot. Since there are three clubs for one DA team, I would say it is likely that a lot of talent will stay in club's 1st team throughout the three clubs. Not sure what's going on with the FCV teams, on the boys or girls side. The four teams you mentioned aren't going to CCL, ever.

PWSI was in CCL until they got the DA, and respectfully said since they wouldn't be able to honor the agreement to place their 1st team in CCL, they would have to withdraw. Take note that at that time PWSI only received U13 Boys DA, there was no reason for them to not continue with the rest of their boys in the 1st team and their entire Girl's 1st teams. PWSI read the tea leaves and got out asap, notice that in the press release below McLean lost the DA, they got it back now. Arlington at that time didn't have the DA. CCL cannot claim itself to be the destination where the every team field's their 1st team, it is literally impossible with the rules the DA forces clubs to adhere to.

See press release PWSI leaving CCL, McLean joins: http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-boys/mclean-youth-soccer-va-to-join-club-champions-league-replacing-pwsi/
Arlington gets DA: http://www.arlingtonsoccer.com/13889/
McLean gets U12 DA affiliation: http://www.mcleansoccer.org/Academy_Overview

Since NPL is beneath ECNL within US CLub structure there is no "A team" requirement. So yes, PWSI and FCV will never join CCL. VSA and CYA on the other hand do not have any real stake in DA and can join any league they wish.

VSA and CYA both are currently in NPL, if one those were to go to CCL, then I can see why the other would have a reason to follow. At that point, including both travel and competition, NPL would be thinner and the amount of league games would probably be close to five or six.

I'm not sure I follow. By "the other would have a reason to follow" are you meaning either CYA or VSA? Or do you mean to imply that PWSI or FCV would follow CYA and VSA?

I presume the former since the CCL requirement of the "A Team" myust be in CCL would still apply and neither FCV or PWSI can honor that above U14 and U12 respectively.

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I agree CCL will outlast NPL with most of it's clubs staying put. I think NPL and ECNL will eventually have to combine to stay relevant.

Your statement screams ignorance. VPL is a league made by teams in southern VA that wanted better competition, NOVA clubs later joined in. ECNL is specifically to have higher level competition for girls in their latter stages of their youth in order to showcased, scouted, and play in college. The identification for NPL is through the PDP and Id2 programs for individuals, not team focused. For boys, a newly created ENPL will allow teams in NPL's across the nation compete for national level status. It is to compete with USYS National competition and US soccer DA programs. The structure is already in place for ECNL for scouts to come, why would a few girls moving from ECNL to DA disrupt that. Everyone seems to think if you're not in ECNL it's probably because you can't cut it. I a would argue the more elite level of platforms available, the more players will be interested in competing at that level.

VPL was created for better competition ? Isn't that the league that most of the clubs with ECNL and DA put their second tier teams ?

The U.S. soccer federation directly runs the boys and girls DA program. http://www.ussoccerda.com/home.php. Clearly, they also have a national footprint.


Perfectly and accurately stated.
US Club soccer is the parent organization for ECNL, ENPL, and NPL leagues. http://usclubsoccer.org (check the "about" tab). They also run the id2 program. US Club soccer and ECNL have a national footprint, and looks like ENPL will be the same.

US Youth Soccer (http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/) runs ODP and a national league (the Eastern Regional League for this area) -- so a national footprint, although waning in stature, according to folks on this blog. They're the primary national organization for the various youth state leagues (like VYSA http://www.vysa.com) which is why ODP feeds into the US Youth Soccer national league competition/championship. And the state-sponsered State Cup competitions also fall under the US Youth Soccer umbrella.

NCSL and ODSL are local leagues for local clubs, as was WAGS before it was absorbed by NCSL. CCL is a self-described elite league, but it too is local, only serving this region. CCL as a league does not have the nation-wide affiliations, sponsorship, and contacts of the three organizations above. That's why CCL is more likely to wane, and more quickly, than NPL, which has a natural feeder affiliation via US CLub Soccer with the ECNL (girls) and new ENPL (boys) teams.

For what it's worth, VYSA (especially ODP coaching staff) and CCL are very closely tied together, so that may be where CCL goes to try to get some additional juice to compete with other leagues.

This was said before NVSC moved to CCL. I don't think those parents know what they're in for. NVSC is a competitive club, it's small in footprint but not in aspirations. The way I see it few parents commit more than just the practices by the clubs and the several camps provided by MVP. They are going to see right through the CCL myth(and for those that say CCL doesn't consider itself to be an 'Elite' league, why call themselves "Champions'?) and know that games mean nothing, the travel is crazy, the competition drastically falls off after U11 since McLean has a DA at U12 and Arlington has their DA teams starting at U12 too. BRYC left recently, and exclusive to Girls side FCV, McLean, WS Spirit are scouting to make the best DA teams. Loudoun's first team will not consist of their 1st team players. I think US Club Soccer can sniff out an opportunity to convert the NPL in VA to a ENPL and attract more clubs in the area.

Except that 4 NPL clubs feed directly into Girls DA. I don't think PWSI, VSA, CYA or FCV feel particularly compelled to move to CCL. And why would they? Parents with DA aspirations will get their kids into those clubs regardless of where their U Littles play.

Yes and no. VDA is taking from all places, so if you live in the McLean, Fairfax, Vienna area, there's no reason why you wouldn't tryout for a VDA slot. Since there are three clubs for one DA team, I would say it is likely that a lot of talent will stay in club's 1st team throughout the three clubs. Not sure what's going on with the FCV teams, on the boys or girls side. The four teams you mentioned aren't going to CCL, ever.

PWSI was in CCL until they got the DA, and respectfully said since they wouldn't be able to honor the agreement to place their 1st team in CCL, they would have to withdraw. Take note that at that time PWSI only received U13 Boys DA, there was no reason for them to not continue with the rest of their boys in the 1st team and their entire Girl's 1st teams. PWSI read the tea leaves and got out asap, notice that in the press release below McLean lost the DA, they got it back now. Arlington at that time didn't have the DA. CCL cannot claim itself to be the destination where the every team field's their 1st team, it is literally impossible with the rules the DA forces clubs to adhere to.

See press release PWSI leaving CCL, McLean joins: http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-boys/mclean-youth-soccer-va-to-join-club-champions-league-replacing-pwsi/
Arlington gets DA: http://www.arlingtonsoccer.com/13889/
McLean gets U12 DA affiliation: http://www.mcleansoccer.org/Academy_Overview

Since NPL is beneath ECNL within US CLub structure there is no "A team" requirement. So yes, PWSI and FCV will never join CCL. VSA and CYA on the other hand do not have any real stake in DA and can join any league they wish.

I am new to the travel scene and had a question. When these clubs exist the CCL to join other leagues for older ages. Why cant the younger ages remain in the CCL? It looks like that is what Mclean is doing. Is it a cost issue?

CCL requires its clubs to field teams in every age group from U9 to U19. If you don't have teams to play in CCL at the older ages you are not deemed appropriate for membership in CCL. Some clubs are large enough to field teams in both ECNL and CCL (i.e. McLean) but other clubs are not large enough (i.e. BRYC).

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I agree CCL will outlast NPL with most of it's clubs staying put. I think NPL and ECNL will eventually have to combine to stay relevant.

Your statement screams ignorance. VPL is a league made by teams in southern VA that wanted better competition, NOVA clubs later joined in. ECNL is specifically to have higher level competition for girls in their latter stages of their youth in order to showcased, scouted, and play in college. The identification for NPL is through the PDP and Id2 programs for individuals, not team focused. For boys, a newly created ENPL will allow teams in NPL's across the nation compete for national level status. It is to compete with USYS National competition and US soccer DA programs. The structure is already in place for ECNL for scouts to come, why would a few girls moving from ECNL to DA disrupt that. Everyone seems to think if you're not in ECNL it's probably because you can't cut it. I a would argue the more elite level of platforms available, the more players will be interested in competing at that level.

VPL was created for better competition ? Isn't that the league that most of the clubs with ECNL and DA put their second tier teams ?

The U.S. soccer federation directly runs the boys and girls DA program. http://www.ussoccerda.com/home.php. Clearly, they also have a national footprint.


Perfectly and accurately stated.
US Club soccer is the parent organization for ECNL, ENPL, and NPL leagues. http://usclubsoccer.org (check the "about" tab). They also run the id2 program. US Club soccer and ECNL have a national footprint, and looks like ENPL will be the same.

US Youth Soccer (http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/) runs ODP and a national league (the Eastern Regional League for this area) -- so a national footprint, although waning in stature, according to folks on this blog. They're the primary national organization for the various youth state leagues (like VYSA http://www.vysa.com) which is why ODP feeds into the US Youth Soccer national league competition/championship. And the state-sponsered State Cup competitions also fall under the US Youth Soccer umbrella.

NCSL and ODSL are local leagues for local clubs, as was WAGS before it was absorbed by NCSL. CCL is a self-described elite league, but it too is local, only serving this region. CCL as a league does not have the nation-wide affiliations, sponsorship, and contacts of the three organizations above. That's why CCL is more likely to wane, and more quickly, than NPL, which has a natural feeder affiliation via US CLub Soccer with the ECNL (girls) and new ENPL (boys) teams.

For what it's worth, VYSA (especially ODP coaching staff) and CCL are very closely tied together, so that may be where CCL goes to try to get some additional juice to compete with other leagues.

This was said before NVSC moved to CCL. I don't think those parents know what they're in for. NVSC is a competitive club, it's small in footprint but not in aspirations. The way I see it few parents commit more than just the practices by the clubs and the several camps provided by MVP. They are going to see right through the CCL myth(and for those that say CCL doesn't consider itself to be an 'Elite' league, why call themselves "Champions'?) and know that games mean nothing, the travel is crazy, the competition drastically falls off after U11 since McLean has a DA at U12 and Arlington has their DA teams starting at U12 too. BRYC left recently, and exclusive to Girls side FCV, McLean, WS Spirit are scouting to make the best DA teams. Loudoun's first team will not consist of their 1st team players. I think US Club Soccer can sniff out an opportunity to convert the NPL in VA to a ENPL and attract more clubs in the area.

Except that 4 NPL clubs feed directly into Girls DA. I don't think PWSI, VSA, CYA or FCV feel particularly compelled to move to CCL. And why would they? Parents with DA aspirations will get their kids into those clubs regardless of where their U Littles play.

Yes and no. VDA is taking from all places, so if you live in the McLean, Fairfax, Vienna area, there's no reason why you wouldn't tryout for a VDA slot. Since there are three clubs for one DA team, I would say it is likely that a lot of talent will stay in club's 1st team throughout the three clubs. Not sure what's going on with the FCV teams, on the boys or girls side. The four teams you mentioned aren't going to CCL, ever.

PWSI was in CCL until they got the DA, and respectfully said since they wouldn't be able to honor the agreement to place their 1st team in CCL, they would have to withdraw. Take note that at that time PWSI only received U13 Boys DA, there was no reason for them to not continue with the rest of their boys in the 1st team and their entire Girl's 1st teams. PWSI read the tea leaves and got out asap, notice that in the press release below McLean lost the DA, they got it back now. Arlington at that time didn't have the DA. CCL cannot claim itself to be the destination where the every team field's their 1st team, it is literally impossible with the rules the DA forces clubs to adhere to.

See press release PWSI leaving CCL, McLean joins: http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-boys/mclean-youth-soccer-va-to-join-club-champions-league-replacing-pwsi/
Arlington gets DA: http://www.arlingtonsoccer.com/13889/
McLean gets U12 DA affiliation: http://www.mcleansoccer.org/Academy_Overview

Since NPL is beneath ECNL within US CLub structure there is no "A team" requirement. So yes, PWSI and FCV will never join CCL. VSA and CYA on the other hand do not have any real stake in DA and can join any league they wish.

VSA and CYA both are currently in NPL, if one those were to go to CCL, then I can see why the other would have a reason to follow. At that point, including both travel and competition, NPL would be thinner and the amount of league games would probably be close to five or six.

I'm not sure I follow. By "the other would have a reason to follow" are you meaning either CYA or VSA? Or do you mean to imply that PWSI or FCV would follow CYA and VSA?

I presume the former since the CCL requirement of the "A Team" myust be in CCL would still apply and neither FCV or PWSI can honor that above U14 and U12 respectively.

You assume, although I would argue it was clear enough since I was discussing "VSA and CYA" only in that sentence and my 'other' was singular, where as if I had meant "PWSI and FCV", I would have used the plural version of 'other'.

So, with that assumption being cleared, I would also say that PWSI does have teams that compete in ERL. I guess overall my point is currently NPL is the league that is in a good position to expand and does have support of US Club Soccer, since there is no other ECNL league available to the clubs in mid and southern parts of VA.

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I agree CCL will outlast NPL with most of it's clubs staying put. I think NPL and ECNL will eventually have to combine to stay relevant.

Your statement screams ignorance. VPL is a league made by teams in southern VA that wanted better competition, NOVA clubs later joined in. ECNL is specifically to have higher level competition for girls in their latter stages of their youth in order to showcased, scouted, and play in college. The identification for NPL is through the PDP and Id2 programs for individuals, not team focused. For boys, a newly created ENPL will allow teams in NPL's across the nation compete for national level status. It is to compete with USYS National competition and US soccer DA programs. The structure is already in place for ECNL for scouts to come, why would a few girls moving from ECNL to DA disrupt that. Everyone seems to think if you're not in ECNL it's probably because you can't cut it. I a would argue the more elite level of platforms available, the more players will be interested in competing at that level.

VPL was created for better competition ? Isn't that the league that most of the clubs with ECNL and DA put their second tier teams ?

The U.S. soccer federation directly runs the boys and girls DA program. http://www.ussoccerda.com/home.php. Clearly, they also have a national footprint.


Perfectly and accurately stated.
US Club soccer is the parent organization for ECNL, ENPL, and NPL leagues. http://usclubsoccer.org (check the "about" tab). They also run the id2 program. US Club soccer and ECNL have a national footprint, and looks like ENPL will be the same.

US Youth Soccer (http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/) runs ODP and a national league (the Eastern Regional League for this area) -- so a national footprint, although waning in stature, according to folks on this blog. They're the primary national organization for the various youth state leagues (like VYSA http://www.vysa.com) which is why ODP feeds into the US Youth Soccer national league competition/championship. And the state-sponsered State Cup competitions also fall under the US Youth Soccer umbrella.

NCSL and ODSL are local leagues for local clubs, as was WAGS before it was absorbed by NCSL. CCL is a self-described elite league, but it too is local, only serving this region. CCL as a league does not have the nation-wide affiliations, sponsorship, and contacts of the three organizations above. That's why CCL is more likely to wane, and more quickly, than NPL, which has a natural feeder affiliation via US CLub Soccer with the ECNL (girls) and new ENPL (boys) teams.

For what it's worth, VYSA (especially ODP coaching staff) and CCL are very closely tied together, so that may be where CCL goes to try to get some additional juice to compete with other leagues.

This was said before NVSC moved to CCL. I don't think those parents know what they're in for. NVSC is a competitive club, it's small in footprint but not in aspirations. The way I see it few parents commit more than just the practices by the clubs and the several camps provided by MVP. They are going to see right through the CCL myth(and for those that say CCL doesn't consider itself to be an 'Elite' league, why call themselves "Champions'?) and know that games mean nothing, the travel is crazy, the competition drastically falls off after U11 since McLean has a DA at U12 and Arlington has their DA teams starting at U12 too. BRYC left recently, and exclusive to Girls side FCV, McLean, WS Spirit are scouting to make the best DA teams. Loudoun's first team will not consist of their 1st team players. I think US Club Soccer can sniff out an opportunity to convert the NPL in VA to a ENPL and attract more clubs in the area.

Except that 4 NPL clubs feed directly into Girls DA. I don't think PWSI, VSA, CYA or FCV feel particularly compelled to move to CCL. And why would they? Parents with DA aspirations will get their kids into those clubs regardless of where their U Littles play.

Yes and no. VDA is taking from all places, so if you live in the McLean, Fairfax, Vienna area, there's no reason why you wouldn't tryout for a VDA slot. Since there are three clubs for one DA team, I would say it is likely that a lot of talent will stay in club's 1st team throughout the three clubs. Not sure what's going on with the FCV teams, on the boys or girls side. The four teams you mentioned aren't going to CCL, ever.

PWSI was in CCL until they got the DA, and respectfully said since they wouldn't be able to honor the agreement to place their 1st team in CCL, they would have to withdraw. Take note that at that time PWSI only received U13 Boys DA, there was no reason for them to not continue with the rest of their boys in the 1st team and their entire Girl's 1st teams. PWSI read the tea leaves and got out asap, notice that in the press release below McLean lost the DA, they got it back now. Arlington at that time didn't have the DA. CCL cannot claim itself to be the destination where the every team field's their 1st team, it is literally impossible with the rules the DA forces clubs to adhere to.

See press release PWSI leaving CCL, McLean joins: http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-boys/mclean-youth-soccer-va-to-join-club-champions-league-replacing-pwsi/
Arlington gets DA: http://www.arlingtonsoccer.com/13889/
McLean gets U12 DA affiliation: http://www.mcleansoccer.org/Academy_Overview

Since NPL is beneath ECNL within US CLub structure there is no "A team" requirement. So yes, PWSI and FCV will never join CCL. VSA and CYA on the other hand do not have any real stake in DA and can join any league they wish.

I am new to the travel scene and had a question. When these clubs exist the CCL to join other leagues for older ages. Why cant the younger ages remain in the CCL? It looks like that is what Mclean is doing. Is it a cost issue?

CCL requires its clubs to field teams in every age group from U9 to U19. If you don't have teams to play in CCL at the older ages you are not deemed appropriate for membership in CCL. Some clubs are large enough to field teams in both ECNL and CCL (i.e. McLean) but other clubs are not large enough (i.e. BRYC).

Therein lies the problem with the structure of CCL, it's just not attractive for every club to see that the highest level any one of their teams can ever achieve is stellar record in a league that nobody would know of outside of DMV. Others have said that some clubs aren't able to register a team in every age group, at least a competitive one.

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I agree CCL will outlast NPL with most of it's clubs staying put. I think NPL and ECNL will eventually have to combine to stay relevant.

Your statement screams ignorance. VPL is a league made by teams in southern VA that wanted better competition, NOVA clubs later joined in. ECNL is specifically to have higher level competition for girls in their latter stages of their youth in order to showcased, scouted, and play in college. The identification for NPL is through the PDP and Id2 programs for individuals, not team focused. For boys, a newly created ENPL will allow teams in NPL's across the nation compete for national level status. It is to compete with USYS National competition and US soccer DA programs. The structure is already in place for ECNL for scouts to come, why would a few girls moving from ECNL to DA disrupt that. Everyone seems to think if you're not in ECNL it's probably because you can't cut it. I a would argue the more elite level of platforms available, the more players will be interested in competing at that level.

VPL was created for better competition ? Isn't that the league that most of the clubs with ECNL and DA put their second tier teams ?

The U.S. soccer federation directly runs the boys and girls DA program. http://www.ussoccerda.com/home.php. Clearly, they also have a national footprint.


Perfectly and accurately stated.
US Club soccer is the parent organization for ECNL, ENPL, and NPL leagues. http://usclubsoccer.org (check the "about" tab). They also run the id2 program. US Club soccer and ECNL have a national footprint, and looks like ENPL will be the same.

US Youth Soccer (http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/) runs ODP and a national league (the Eastern Regional League for this area) -- so a national footprint, although waning in stature, according to folks on this blog. They're the primary national organization for the various youth state leagues (like VYSA http://www.vysa.com) which is why ODP feeds into the US Youth Soccer national league competition/championship. And the state-sponsered State Cup competitions also fall under the US Youth Soccer umbrella.

NCSL and ODSL are local leagues for local clubs, as was WAGS before it was absorbed by NCSL. CCL is a self-described elite league, but it too is local, only serving this region. CCL as a league does not have the nation-wide affiliations, sponsorship, and contacts of the three organizations above. That's why CCL is more likely to wane, and more quickly, than NPL, which has a natural feeder affiliation via US CLub Soccer with the ECNL (girls) and new ENPL (boys) teams.

For what it's worth, VYSA (especially ODP coaching staff) and CCL are very closely tied together, so that may be where CCL goes to try to get some additional juice to compete with other leagues.

This was said before NVSC moved to CCL. I don't think those parents know what they're in for. NVSC is a competitive club, it's small in footprint but not in aspirations. The way I see it few parents commit more than just the practices by the clubs and the several camps provided by MVP. They are going to see right through the CCL myth(and for those that say CCL doesn't consider itself to be an 'Elite' league, why call themselves "Champions'?) and know that games mean nothing, the travel is crazy, the competition drastically falls off after U11 since McLean has a DA at U12 and Arlington has their DA teams starting at U12 too. BRYC left recently, and exclusive to Girls side FCV, McLean, WS Spirit are scouting to make the best DA teams. Loudoun's first team will not consist of their 1st team players. I think US Club Soccer can sniff out an opportunity to convert the NPL in VA to a ENPL and attract more clubs in the area.

Except that 4 NPL clubs feed directly into Girls DA. I don't think PWSI, VSA, CYA or FCV feel particularly compelled to move to CCL. And why would they? Parents with DA aspirations will get their kids into those clubs regardless of where their U Littles play.

Yes and no. VDA is taking from all places, so if you live in the McLean, Fairfax, Vienna area, there's no reason why you wouldn't tryout for a VDA slot. Since there are three clubs for one DA team, I would say it is likely that a lot of talent will stay in club's 1st team throughout the three clubs. Not sure what's going on with the FCV teams, on the boys or girls side. The four teams you mentioned aren't going to CCL, ever.

PWSI was in CCL until they got the DA, and respectfully said since they wouldn't be able to honor the agreement to place their 1st team in CCL, they would have to withdraw. Take note that at that time PWSI only received U13 Boys DA, there was no reason for them to not continue with the rest of their boys in the 1st team and their entire Girl's 1st teams. PWSI read the tea leaves and got out asap, notice that in the press release below McLean lost the DA, they got it back now. Arlington at that time didn't have the DA. CCL cannot claim itself to be the destination where the every team field's their 1st team, it is literally impossible with the rules the DA forces clubs to adhere to.

See press release PWSI leaving CCL, McLean joins: http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-boys/mclean-youth-soccer-va-to-join-club-champions-league-replacing-pwsi/
Arlington gets DA: http://www.arlingtonsoccer.com/13889/
McLean gets U12 DA affiliation: http://www.mcleansoccer.org/Academy_Overview

Since NPL is beneath ECNL within US CLub structure there is no "A team" requirement. So yes, PWSI and FCV will never join CCL. VSA and CYA on the other hand do not have any real stake in DA and can join any league they wish.

I am new to the travel scene and had a question. When these clubs exist the CCL to join other leagues for older ages. Why cant the younger ages remain in the CCL? It looks like that is what Mclean is doing. Is it a cost issue?

CCL requires its clubs to field teams in every age group from U9 to U19. If you don't have teams to play in CCL at the older ages you are not deemed appropriate for membership in CCL. Some clubs are large enough to field teams in both ECNL and CCL (i.e. McLean) but other clubs are not large enough (i.e. BRYC).

Therein lies the problem with the structure of CCL, it's just not attractive for every club to see that the highest level any one of their teams can ever achieve is stellar record in a league that nobody would know of outside of DMV. Others have said that some clubs aren't able to register a team in every age group, at least a competitive one.

For example, Legacy and Roanoke do not field ANY girls teams at U9, U10, or U11 in CCL. U9 and U10 are a NoVA thing anyway.

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I agree CCL will outlast NPL with most of it's clubs staying put. I think NPL and ECNL will eventually have to combine to stay relevant.

Your statement screams ignorance. VPL is a league made by teams in southern VA that wanted better competition, NOVA clubs later joined in. ECNL is specifically to have higher level competition for girls in their latter stages of their youth in order to showcased, scouted, and play in college. The identification for NPL is through the PDP and Id2 programs for individuals, not team focused. For boys, a newly created ENPL will allow teams in NPL's across the nation compete for national level status. It is to compete with USYS National competition and US soccer DA programs. The structure is already in place for ECNL for scouts to come, why would a few girls moving from ECNL to DA disrupt that. Everyone seems to think if you're not in ECNL it's probably because you can't cut it. I a would argue the more elite level of platforms available, the more players will be interested in competing at that level.

VPL was created for better competition ? Isn't that the league that most of the clubs with ECNL and DA put their second tier teams ?

The U.S. soccer federation directly runs the boys and girls DA program. http://www.ussoccerda.com/home.php. Clearly, they also have a national footprint.


Perfectly and accurately stated.
US Club soccer is the parent organization for ECNL, ENPL, and NPL leagues. http://usclubsoccer.org (check the "about" tab). They also run the id2 program. US Club soccer and ECNL have a national footprint, and looks like ENPL will be the same.

US Youth Soccer (http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/) runs ODP and a national league (the Eastern Regional League for this area) -- so a national footprint, although waning in stature, according to folks on this blog. They're the primary national organization for the various youth state leagues (like VYSA http://www.vysa.com) which is why ODP feeds into the US Youth Soccer national league competition/championship. And the state-sponsered State Cup competitions also fall under the US Youth Soccer umbrella.

NCSL and ODSL are local leagues for local clubs, as was WAGS before it was absorbed by NCSL. CCL is a self-described elite league, but it too is local, only serving this region. CCL as a league does not have the nation-wide affiliations, sponsorship, and contacts of the three organizations above. That's why CCL is more likely to wane, and more quickly, than NPL, which has a natural feeder affiliation via US CLub Soccer with the ECNL (girls) and new ENPL (boys) teams.

For what it's worth, VYSA (especially ODP coaching staff) and CCL are very closely tied together, so that may be where CCL goes to try to get some additional juice to compete with other leagues.

This was said before NVSC moved to CCL. I don't think those parents know what they're in for. NVSC is a competitive club, it's small in footprint but not in aspirations. The way I see it few parents commit more than just the practices by the clubs and the several camps provided by MVP. They are going to see right through the CCL myth(and for those that say CCL doesn't consider itself to be an 'Elite' league, why call themselves "Champions'?) and know that games mean nothing, the travel is crazy, the competition drastically falls off after U11 since McLean has a DA at U12 and Arlington has their DA teams starting at U12 too. BRYC left recently, and exclusive to Girls side FCV, McLean, WS Spirit are scouting to make the best DA teams. Loudoun's first team will not consist of their 1st team players. I think US Club Soccer can sniff out an opportunity to convert the NPL in VA to a ENPL and attract more clubs in the area.

Except that 4 NPL clubs feed directly into Girls DA. I don't think PWSI, VSA, CYA or FCV feel particularly compelled to move to CCL. And why would they? Parents with DA aspirations will get their kids into those clubs regardless of where their U Littles play.

Yes and no. VDA is taking from all places, so if you live in the McLean, Fairfax, Vienna area, there's no reason why you wouldn't tryout for a VDA slot. Since there are three clubs for one DA team, I would say it is likely that a lot of talent will stay in club's 1st team throughout the three clubs. Not sure what's going on with the FCV teams, on the boys or girls side. The four teams you mentioned aren't going to CCL, ever.

PWSI was in CCL until they got the DA, and respectfully said since they wouldn't be able to honor the agreement to place their 1st team in CCL, they would have to withdraw. Take note that at that time PWSI only received U13 Boys DA, there was no reason for them to not continue with the rest of their boys in the 1st team and their entire Girl's 1st teams. PWSI read the tea leaves and got out asap, notice that in the press release below McLean lost the DA, they got it back now. Arlington at that time didn't have the DA. CCL cannot claim itself to be the destination where the every team field's their 1st team, it is literally impossible with the rules the DA forces clubs to adhere to.

See press release PWSI leaving CCL, McLean joins: http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-boys/mclean-youth-soccer-va-to-join-club-champions-league-replacing-pwsi/
Arlington gets DA: http://www.arlingtonsoccer.com/13889/
McLean gets U12 DA affiliation: http://www.mcleansoccer.org/Academy_Overview

Since NPL is beneath ECNL within US CLub structure there is no "A team" requirement. So yes, PWSI and FCV will never join CCL. VSA and CYA on the other hand do not have any real stake in DA and can join any league they wish.

I am new to the travel scene and had a question. When these clubs exist the CCL to join other leagues for older ages. Why cant the younger ages remain in the CCL? It looks like that is what Mclean is doing. Is it a cost issue?

CCL requires its clubs to field teams in every age group from U9 to U19. If you don't have teams to play in CCL at the older ages you are not deemed appropriate for membership in CCL. Some clubs are large enough to field teams in both ECNL and CCL (i.e. McLean) but other clubs are not large enough (i.e. BRYC).

Therein lies the problem with the structure of CCL, it's just not attractive for every club to see that the highest level any one of their teams can ever achieve is stellar record in a league that nobody would know of outside of DMV. Others have said that some clubs aren't able to register a team in every age group, at least a competitive one.

I disagree with your bolded statement and can only assume that you don't have any kids who have played at the U14-U18 ages.

For the better CCL clubs (i.e. BRYC, Loudoun, McLean, Arlington, Beach) their older age groups view CCL as an afterthought because many (if not most) of the older teams from those clubs (and some other CCL clubs) are focused on playing in state cup, Eastern Regional League, National League, and of course college showcase tournaments. So almost all of those older CCL teams are in fact playing at a "higher level" than CCL.

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For boys, there is no ECNL option in the area, so NPL in Virginia would receive, if any, US Club Soccer support to expand.

ECNL just launched on the boys side and BRYC is a member club. Starts next fall.

[Anonymous]

PP here. List of ECNL boys clubs is posted here: http://www.boysecnl.com/member-clubs/ Looks like BRYC, Maryland United, and Baltimore Celtic are the only 'local' clubs signed on so far but presumably this list will grow if they gain momentum. These three clubs are in the NE conference so league travel will look a lot like ERL...NY, PA, NJ, CT, etc. I assume they'll bundle matches geographically the way they do on the girls' side so you play two clubs per weekend when you travel out of state.

[Anonymous]

Since NPL is beneath ECNL within US CLub structure there is no "A team" requirement. So yes, PWSI and FCV will never join CCL. VSA and CYA on the other hand do not have any real stake in DA and can join any league they wish.

I am new to the travel scene and had a question. When these clubs exist the CCL to join other leagues for older ages. Why cant the younger ages remain in the CCL? It looks like that is what Mclean is doing. Is it a cost issue?

CCL requires its clubs to field teams in every age group from U9 to U19. If you don't have teams to play in CCL at the older ages you are not deemed appropriate for membership in CCL. Some clubs are large enough to field teams in both ECNL and CCL (i.e. McLean) but other clubs are not large enough (i.e. BRYC).



Makes sense thank you. So what do other smaller clubs that are in ECNL for pre U13?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Since NPL is beneath ECNL within US CLub structure there is no "A team" requirement. So yes, PWSI and FCV will never join CCL. VSA and CYA on the other hand do not have any real stake in DA and can join any league they wish.

I am new to the travel scene and had a question. When these clubs exist the CCL to join other leagues for older ages. Why cant the younger ages remain in the CCL? It looks like that is what Mclean is doing. Is it a cost issue?

CCL requires its clubs to field teams in every age group from U9 to U19. If you don't have teams to play in CCL at the older ages you are not deemed appropriate for membership in CCL. Some clubs are large enough to field teams in both ECNL and CCL (i.e. McLean) but other clubs are not large enough (i.e. BRYC).



Makes sense thank you. So what do other smaller clubs that are in ECNL for pre U13?

In the case of BRYC, the U Little will not play in any league starting next year, 2017-18, and will be a tournament only club. Presumably they will scrimmage against other clubs but the sub U13 teams will focus on development and training over league play.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Since NPL is beneath ECNL within US CLub structure there is no "A team" requirement. So yes, PWSI and FCV will never join CCL. VSA and CYA on the other hand do not have any real stake in DA and can join any league they wish.

I am new to the travel scene and had a question. When these clubs exist the CCL to join other leagues for older ages. Why cant the younger ages remain in the CCL? It looks like that is what Mclean is doing. Is it a cost issue?

CCL requires its clubs to field teams in every age group from U9 to U19. If you don't have teams to play in CCL at the older ages you are not deemed appropriate for membership in CCL. Some clubs are large enough to field teams in both ECNL and CCL (i.e. McLean) but other clubs are not large enough (i.e. BRYC).



Makes sense thank you. So what do other smaller clubs that are in ECNL for pre U13?

In the case of BRYC, the U Little will not play in any league starting next year, 2017-18, and will be a tournament only club. Presumably they will scrimmage against other clubs but the sub U13 teams will focus on development and training over league play.



I'll be taking my U little elsewhere.