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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Love watching the FCV and McLean parents rip on each other...this is a perfect example of the types of arrogant parents that both clubs have. They all think their kids are the next Messi or Hamm. Its also very typical of how they act on the sidelines when your team plays them. They both are sore winner and sore losers!

Not really, the guy who is starting the smack talk is just trolling, the reply is just calling his bluff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Love watching the FCV and McLean parents rip on each other...this is a perfect example of the types of arrogant parents that both clubs have. They all think their kids are the next Messi or Hamm. Its also very typical of how they act on the sidelines when your team plays them. They both are sore winner and sore losers!

So we're are you when your witnessing this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Love watching the FCV and McLean parents rip on each other...this is a perfect example of the types of arrogant parents that both clubs have. They all think their kids are the next Messi or Hamm. Its also very typical of how they act on the sidelines when your team plays them. They both are sore winner and sore losers!

U r a f@ckin tool and a hypocrite DB. So far, if you read this, it's been pretty clear these two guys don't have kids in McLean or represent McLean. Get that chip off your shoulder and take your inferiority complex somewhere else.

Sincerely,
New poster with kids in neither McLean or FCV.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bunch of kill joys. Since Sister Mary said we can't have fun and talk trash I'll change the subject.

02s are made up of 8th and 9th graders
03's are made up of 7th and 8th graders
04s are made up of 6th and 7th graders
05s are made up of 5th and 6th graders

With that said, I believe that your child should play with their classmates and not their age designation (Ex. 2005 6th grader should be playing 04 with 6th graders)

What say you?

If you want to trash talk then start with mentioning what club your kid
plays on. I think that would be fair.

Still wrapped up in your emotions. That MCLEAN comment must have struck a nerve.

Nope, my kid doesn't play for McLean but your "trash talk" is comically lame almost as if your kid doesn't play for any meaningful club at all. Please just go and sit down at the little table with the Vienna parents and shut up.

hahahahaha oh god hahahahaha

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I agree CCL will outlast NPL with most of it's clubs staying put. I think NPL and ECNL will eventually have to combine to stay relevant.

Your statement screams ignorance. VPL is a league made by teams in southern VA that wanted better competition, NOVA clubs later joined in. ECNL is specifically to have higher level competition for girls in their latter stages of their youth in order to showcased, scouted, and play in college. The identification for NPL is through the PDP and Id2 programs for individuals, not team focused. For boys, a newly created ENPL will allow teams in NPL's across the nation compete for national level status. It is to compete with USYS National competition and US soccer DA programs. The structure is already in place for ECNL for scouts to come, why would a few girls moving from ECNL to DA disrupt that. Everyone seems to think if you're not in ECNL it's probably because you can't cut it. I a would argue the more elite level of platforms available, the more players will be interested in competing at that level.

VPL was created for better competition ? Isn't that the league that most of the clubs with ECNL and DA put their second tier teams ?

The U.S. soccer federation directly runs the boys and girls DA program. http://www.ussoccerda.com/home.php. Clearly, they also have a national footprint.


Perfectly and accurately stated.
US Club soccer is the parent organization for ECNL, ENPL, and NPL leagues. http://usclubsoccer.org (check the "about" tab). They also run the id2 program. US Club soccer and ECNL have a national footprint, and looks like ENPL will be the same.

US Youth Soccer (http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/) runs ODP and a national league (the Eastern Regional League for this area) -- so a national footprint, although waning in stature, according to folks on this blog. They're the primary national organization for the various youth state leagues (like VYSA http://www.vysa.com) which is why ODP feeds into the US Youth Soccer national league competition/championship. And the state-sponsered State Cup competitions also fall under the US Youth Soccer umbrella.

NCSL and ODSL are local leagues for local clubs, as was WAGS before it was absorbed by NCSL. CCL is a self-described elite league, but it too is local, only serving this region. CCL as a league does not have the nation-wide affiliations, sponsorship, and contacts of the three organizations above. That's why CCL is more likely to wane, and more quickly, than NPL, which has a natural feeder affiliation via US CLub Soccer with the ECNL (girls) and new ENPL (boys) teams.

For what it's worth, VYSA (especially ODP coaching staff) and CCL are very closely tied together, so that may be where CCL goes to try to get some additional juice to compete with other leagues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bunch of kill joys. Since Sister Mary said we can't have fun and talk trash I'll change the subject.

02s are made up of 8th and 9th graders
03's are made up of 7th and 8th graders
04s are made up of 6th and 7th graders
05s are made up of 5th and 6th graders

With that said, I believe that your child should play with their classmates and not their age designation (Ex. 2005 6th grader should be playing 04 with 6th graders)

What say you?

If you want to trash talk then start with mentioning what club your kid
plays on. I think that would be fair.

Still wrapped up in your emotions. That MCLEAN comment must have struck a nerve.

Nope, my kid doesn't play for McLean but your "trash talk" is comically lame almost as if your kid doesn't play for any meaningful club at all. Please just go and sit down at the little table with the Vienna parents and shut up.

+1
nice

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I agree CCL will outlast NPL with most of it's clubs staying put. I think NPL and ECNL will eventually have to combine to stay relevant.

Your statement screams ignorance. VPL is a league made by teams in southern VA that wanted better competition, NOVA clubs later joined in. ECNL is specifically to have higher level competition for girls in their latter stages of their youth in order to showcased, scouted, and play in college. The identification for NPL is through the PDP and Id2 programs for individuals, not team focused. For boys, a newly created ENPL will allow teams in NPL's across the nation compete for national level status. It is to compete with USYS National competition and US soccer DA programs. The structure is already in place for ECNL for scouts to come, why would a few girls moving from ECNL to DA disrupt that. Everyone seems to think if you're not in ECNL it's probably because you can't cut it. I a would argue the more elite level of platforms available, the more players will be interested in competing at that level.

VPL was created for better competition ? Isn't that the league that most of the clubs with ECNL and DA put their second tier teams ?

The U.S. soccer federation directly runs the boys and girls DA program. http://www.ussoccerda.com/home.php. Clearly, they also have a national footprint.


Perfectly and accurately stated.
US Club soccer is the parent organization for ECNL, ENPL, and NPL leagues. http://usclubsoccer.org (check the "about" tab). They also run the id2 program. US Club soccer and ECNL have a national footprint, and looks like ENPL will be the same.

US Youth Soccer (http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/) runs ODP and a national league (the Eastern Regional League for this area) -- so a national footprint, although waning in stature, according to folks on this blog. They're the primary national organization for the various youth state leagues (like VYSA http://www.vysa.com) which is why ODP feeds into the US Youth Soccer national league competition/championship. And the state-sponsered State Cup competitions also fall under the US Youth Soccer umbrella.

NCSL and ODSL are local leagues for local clubs, as was WAGS before it was absorbed by NCSL. CCL is a self-described elite league, but it too is local, only serving this region. CCL as a league does not have the nation-wide affiliations, sponsorship, and contacts of the three organizations above. That's why CCL is more likely to wane, and more quickly, than NPL, which has a natural feeder affiliation via US CLub Soccer with the ECNL (girls) and new ENPL (boys) teams.

For what it's worth, VYSA (especially ODP coaching staff) and CCL are very closely tied together, so that may be where CCL goes to try to get some additional juice to compete with other leagues.

This was said before NVSC moved to CCL. I don't think those parents know what they're in for. NVSC is a competitive club, it's small in footprint but not in aspirations. The way I see it few parents commit more than just the practices by the clubs and the several camps provided by MVP. They are going to see right through the CCL myth(and for those that say CCL doesn't consider itself to be an 'Elite' league, why call themselves "Champions'?) and know that games mean nothing, the travel is crazy, the competition drastically falls off after U11 since McLean has a DA at U12 and Arlington has their DA teams starting at U12 too. BRYC left recently, and exclusive to Girls side FCV, McLean, WS Spirit are scouting to make the best DA teams. Loudoun's first team will not consist of their 1st team players. I think US Club Soccer can sniff out an opportunity to convert the NPL in VA to a ENPL and attract more clubs in the area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Love watching the FCV and McLean parents rip on each other...this is a perfect example of the types of arrogant parents that both clubs have. They all think their kids are the next Messi or Hamm. Its also very typical of how they act on the sidelines when your team plays them. They both are sore winner and sore losers!

so sayeth the messi/hamm sock puppet who posts cr@p like this 'cause nothing better to do.

simply ignore this troll. easy to spot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I agree CCL will outlast NPL with most of it's clubs staying put. I think NPL and ECNL will eventually have to combine to stay relevant.

Your statement screams ignorance. VPL is a league made by teams in southern VA that wanted better competition, NOVA clubs later joined in. ECNL is specifically to have higher level competition for girls in their latter stages of their youth in order to showcased, scouted, and play in college. The identification for NPL is through the PDP and Id2 programs for individuals, not team focused. For boys, a newly created ENPL will allow teams in NPL's across the nation compete for national level status. It is to compete with USYS National competition and US soccer DA programs. The structure is already in place for ECNL for scouts to come, why would a few girls moving from ECNL to DA disrupt that. Everyone seems to think if you're not in ECNL it's probably because you can't cut it. I a would argue the more elite level of platforms available, the more players will be interested in competing at that level.

VPL was created for better competition ? Isn't that the league that most of the clubs with ECNL and DA put their second tier teams ?

The U.S. soccer federation directly runs the boys and girls DA program. http://www.ussoccerda.com/home.php. Clearly, they also have a national footprint.


Perfectly and accurately stated.
US Club soccer is the parent organization for ECNL, ENPL, and NPL leagues. http://usclubsoccer.org (check the "about" tab). They also run the id2 program. US Club soccer and ECNL have a national footprint, and looks like ENPL will be the same.

US Youth Soccer (http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/) runs ODP and a national league (the Eastern Regional League for this area) -- so a national footprint, although waning in stature, according to folks on this blog. They're the primary national organization for the various youth state leagues (like VYSA http://www.vysa.com) which is why ODP feeds into the US Youth Soccer national league competition/championship. And the state-sponsered State Cup competitions also fall under the US Youth Soccer umbrella.

NCSL and ODSL are local leagues for local clubs, as was WAGS before it was absorbed by NCSL. CCL is a self-described elite league, but it too is local, only serving this region. CCL as a league does not have the nation-wide affiliations, sponsorship, and contacts of the three organizations above. That's why CCL is more likely to wane, and more quickly, than NPL, which has a natural feeder affiliation via US CLub Soccer with the ECNL (girls) and new ENPL (boys) teams.

For what it's worth, VYSA (especially ODP coaching staff) and CCL are very closely tied together, so that may be where CCL goes to try to get some additional juice to compete with other leagues.

This was said before NVSC moved to CCL. I don't think those parents know what they're in for. NVSC is a competitive club, it's small in footprint but not in aspirations. The way I see it few parents commit more than just the practices by the clubs and the several camps provided by MVP. They are going to see right through the CCL myth(and for those that say CCL doesn't consider itself to be an 'Elite' league, why call themselves "Champions'?) and know that games mean nothing, the travel is crazy, the competition drastically falls off after U11 since McLean has a DA at U12 and Arlington has their DA teams starting at U12 too. BRYC left recently, and exclusive to Girls side FCV, McLean, WS Spirit are scouting to make the best DA teams. Loudoun's first team will not consist of their 1st team players. I think US Club Soccer can sniff out an opportunity to convert the NPL in VA to a ENPL and attract more clubs in the area.

Except that 4 NPL clubs feed directly into Girls DA. I don't think PWSI, VSA, CYA or FCV feel particularly compelled to move to CCL. And why would they? Parents with DA aspirations will get their kids into those clubs regardless of where their U Littles play.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I chatted with someone in southern California recently about their league structure. Here's what they have:

- DA/ECNL
- CSL (Coast Soccer League)
- SCDSL

In CSL, the teams are placed into divisions. It's not strict promotion/relegation -- the Board grants itself a lot of leeway. The tiers are Premier (older age groups), Gold, Silver Elite, Silver and Bronze. It's a pyramid -- Premier appears to be one division for the whole area, Gold may have three, and so on until Bronze has a lot of divisions based more on geography.

SCDSL is newer, and its Tiers are arranged by the clubs, not by pro/rel. (I'm sure if you have a +50 or -50 goal difference in a season, you'll ask for a change).

There's a pretty good blog summary here: http://socalsoccermom.com/csl-vs-scdsl-playing-sides/

Read that, then try to tell me we're better off here with the split into CCL/VPL/EDP/NCSL/ODSL and the other nonsense we have here.

CSL sounds a lot like what EDP is trying to do. No real pro/rel but assignment of divisions each season (2x a year) regionally (North, South, Central and West) to try to keep all games competitive. Bonus for EDP is that you don't need to have a team in each age group or gender and can have multiple teams if desired. Teams get to schedule their own games. Actually a very, very good format. Much better than CCL and NCSL.

[Anonymous]

Probably 95% of the last 100 pages has been garbage. I think someone could compile all the useful shit about WS in one paragraph and I don't remember anything useful about the BRYC, FCV, McLean, Loudoun "discussion". I really think this forum is dead. Excellent. Another reason girls soccer shouldn't even exist past like U6. It's right up there with girl's football.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I chatted with someone in southern California recently about their league structure. Here's what they have:

- DA/ECNL
- CSL (Coast Soccer League)
- SCDSL

In CSL, the teams are placed into divisions. It's not strict promotion/relegation -- the Board grants itself a lot of leeway. The tiers are Premier (older age groups), Gold, Silver Elite, Silver and Bronze. It's a pyramid -- Premier appears to be one division for the whole area, Gold may have three, and so on until Bronze has a lot of divisions based more on geography.

SCDSL is newer, and its Tiers are arranged by the clubs, not by pro/rel. (I'm sure if you have a +50 or -50 goal difference in a season, you'll ask for a change).

There's a pretty good blog summary here: http://socalsoccermom.com/csl-vs-scdsl-playing-sides/

Read that, then try to tell me we're better off here with the split into CCL/VPL/EDP/NCSL/ODSL and the other nonsense we have here.

+1
CSL sounds a lot like what EDP is trying to do. No real pro/rel but assignment of divisions each season (2x a year) regionally (North, South, Central and West) to try to keep all games competitive. Bonus for EDP is that you don't need to have a team in each age group or gender and can have multiple teams if desired. Teams get to schedule their own games. Actually a very, very good format. Much better than CCL and NCSL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I agree CCL will outlast NPL with most of it's clubs staying put. I think NPL and ECNL will eventually have to combine to stay relevant.

Your statement screams ignorance. VPL is a league made by teams in southern VA that wanted better competition, NOVA clubs later joined in. ECNL is specifically to have higher level competition for girls in their latter stages of their youth in order to showcased, scouted, and play in college. The identification for NPL is through the PDP and Id2 programs for individuals, not team focused. For boys, a newly created ENPL will allow teams in NPL's across the nation compete for national level status. It is to compete with USYS National competition and US soccer DA programs. The structure is already in place for ECNL for scouts to come, why would a few girls moving from ECNL to DA disrupt that. Everyone seems to think if you're not in ECNL it's probably because you can't cut it. I a would argue the more elite level of platforms available, the more players will be interested in competing at that level.

VPL was created for better competition ? Isn't that the league that most of the clubs with ECNL and DA put their second tier teams ?

The U.S. soccer federation directly runs the boys and girls DA program. http://www.ussoccerda.com/home.php. Clearly, they also have a national footprint.


Perfectly and accurately stated.
US Club soccer is the parent organization for ECNL, ENPL, and NPL leagues. http://usclubsoccer.org (check the "about" tab). They also run the id2 program. US Club soccer and ECNL have a national footprint, and looks like ENPL will be the same.

US Youth Soccer (http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/) runs ODP and a national league (the Eastern Regional League for this area) -- so a national footprint, although waning in stature, according to folks on this blog. They're the primary national organization for the various youth state leagues (like VYSA http://www.vysa.com) which is why ODP feeds into the US Youth Soccer national league competition/championship. And the state-sponsered State Cup competitions also fall under the US Youth Soccer umbrella.

NCSL and ODSL are local leagues for local clubs, as was WAGS before it was absorbed by NCSL. CCL is a self-described elite league, but it too is local, only serving this region. CCL as a league does not have the nation-wide affiliations, sponsorship, and contacts of the three organizations above. That's why CCL is more likely to wane, and more quickly, than NPL, which has a natural feeder affiliation via US CLub Soccer with the ECNL (girls) and new ENPL (boys) teams.

For what it's worth, VYSA (especially ODP coaching staff) and CCL are very closely tied together, so that may be where CCL goes to try to get some additional juice to compete with other leagues.

This was said before NVSC moved to CCL. I don't think those parents know what they're in for. NVSC is a competitive club, it's small in footprint but not in aspirations. The way I see it few parents commit more than just the practices by the clubs and the several camps provided by MVP. They are going to see right through the CCL myth(and for those that say CCL doesn't consider itself to be an 'Elite' league, why call themselves "Champions'?) and know that games mean nothing, the travel is crazy, the competition drastically falls off after U11 since McLean has a DA at U12 and Arlington has their DA teams starting at U12 too. BRYC left recently, and exclusive to Girls side FCV, McLean, WS Spirit are scouting to make the best DA teams. Loudoun's first team will not consist of their 1st team players. I think US Club Soccer can sniff out an opportunity to convert the NPL in VA to a ENPL and attract more clubs in the area.

Except that 4 NPL clubs feed directly into Girls DA. I don't think PWSI, VSA, CYA or FCV feel particularly compelled to move to CCL. And why would they? Parents with DA aspirations will get their kids into those clubs regardless of where their U Littles play.

Yes and no. VDA is taking from all places, so if you live in the McLean, Fairfax, Vienna area, there's no reason why you wouldn't tryout for a VDA slot. Since there are three clubs for one DA team, I would say it is likely that a lot of talent will stay in club's 1st team throughout the three clubs. Not sure what's going on with the FCV teams, on the boys or girls side. The four teams you mentioned aren't going to CCL, ever.

PWSI was in CCL until they got the DA, and respectfully said since they wouldn't be able to honor the agreement to place their 1st team in CCL, they would have to withdraw. Take note that at that time PWSI only received U13 Boys DA, there was no reason for them to not continue with the rest of their boys in the 1st team and their entire Girl's 1st teams. PWSI read the tea leaves and got out asap, notice that in the press release below McLean lost the DA, they got it back now. Arlington at that time didn't have the DA. CCL cannot claim itself to be the destination where the every team field's their 1st team, it is literally impossible with the rules the DA forces clubs to adhere to.

See press release PWSI leaving CCL, McLean joins: http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-boys/mclean-youth-soccer-va-to-join-club-champions-league-replacing-pwsi/
Arlington gets DA: http://www.arlingtonsoccer.com/13889/
McLean gets U12 DA affiliation: http://www.mcleansoccer.org/Academy_Overview

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I chatted with someone in southern California recently about their league structure. Here's what they have:

- DA/ECNL
- CSL (Coast Soccer League)
- SCDSL

In CSL, the teams are placed into divisions. It's not strict promotion/relegation -- the Board grants itself a lot of leeway. The tiers are Premier (older age groups), Gold, Silver Elite, Silver and Bronze. It's a pyramid -- Premier appears to be one division for the whole area, Gold may have three, and so on until Bronze has a lot of divisions based more on geography.

SCDSL is newer, and its Tiers are arranged by the clubs, not by pro/rel. (I'm sure if you have a +50 or -50 goal difference in a season, you'll ask for a change).

There's a pretty good blog summary here: http://socalsoccermom.com/csl-vs-scdsl-playing-sides/

Read that, then try to tell me we're better off here with the split into CCL/VPL/EDP/NCSL/ODSL and the other nonsense we have here.

+1
CSL sounds a lot like what EDP is trying to do. No real pro/rel but assignment of divisions each season (2x a year) regionally (North, South, Central and West) to try to keep all games competitive. Bonus for EDP is that you don't need to have a team in each age group or gender and can have multiple teams if desired. Teams get to schedule their own games. Actually a very, very good format. Much better than CCL and NCSL.

.

I completely agree, yet you need NCSL to take up the teams that cannot compete with EDP level teams, unless EDP starts to lower than standards. Also, the scheduling sounds good when you're focused on one team, for large clubs that have one coach for a couple or more teams, scheduling becomes a nightmare and a league helping with block scheduling is a major help. A poster said that every team in every age group from one club will not always be competitive, I agree and EDP allows for teams to come in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Probably 95% of the last 100 pages has been garbage. I think someone could compile all the useful shit about WS in one paragraph and I don't remember anything useful about the BRYC, FCV, McLean, Loudoun "discussion". I really think this forum is dead. Excellent. Another reason girls soccer shouldn't even exist past like U6. It's right up there with girl's football.

Girls/Womens soccer has its place in the area, and for clubs it's a way to make double $ and for parents it's a way to have their daughter be exercising. I have a 2 yo daughter that I plan on putting in travel when she's 9 yo.(My DS is 10 which is why I'm already here in the 1st place, for any of those people that get any ideas...). I agree the WS discussion was nonsense.