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Anonymous wrote:How big are the DA rosters on the girls side (i.e. how many good players are not even dressing for games)? Were they published somewhere?

Since there are only 3 subs allowed, you also have good players dressing for games but not getting minutes. You can see rosters for teams that have played already by clicking on the game report

DA substitution rules seem to be poorly understood. There are 3 points in the game where substitutions can be made, with no re-entry. A team can substitute up to 7 players at U-14, and 5 at the older ages. A team can roster up to 18 per game, and some teams have more in their program than that so some players do not dress. At U-14, you can theoretically get everyone in the game.

There are 26 on the rosters at our Club.

The other thing you see on those rosters is some clubs list their DP's as well as their full time players. So some rosters appear huge, but in general, DP's are practice only players who are not regularly rostered on game day.

The DP's can play games however, and are likely in this area anyway to maybe play in VPL or a weekend tournament. I would say from a Developmental perspective the DP's are getting the best of both worlds. I think the mood for both players and parents at a DA game would be similar to a tryout session.

After watching the USMNT, for individual development I would stay far away from DA.

Train with the Europeans.

Nice thought, but not super helpful.
DD's coach is European (as are many DA coaches), does that count?

What, not true at all, are all of the opinions on this forum strictly anecdotal? Or do you assume a non-white coach is not "American". BTW the other poster about the "USMNT and train with Europeans" is about ignorant as you can get when discussing youth soccer. USDA is on track to be very successful program for providing a pipeline to US NT programs and U.S colleges. It will be more clear as the USDA graduates who stay for the duration of the program from U13 to U18 end up stringing games together with college and NASL/USL leagues OR they actually become pro players non-MLS clubs are interested in.

And shitty soccer is played in both those places. So--I concede--they are great at picking the players which are good at shitty--style of US soccer.

Agree. My 9 and 12 year old were watching the college men's soccer NCAA championship. They both said--'they are just kicking it!". The first touch on the majority of players was atrocious---as was the ability to read the field. To see a ball just bounce off a player's foot or leg because they didn't have the skill/touch to get it under control. Pitiful.

I think it's funny how these DA conversations seem to change very quickly from the original discussion -- of GIRLS DA -- to a discussion of BOYS DA and its impact on MLS and how the Europeans are (clearly) way better. whatever, americans are way better at basketball and I'm sure there are basketball snobs sitting in Europe on some chat board saying that if you REALLY want your kid to be a successful player, then s/he needs to go live in America and play. And having a kid in soccer *here in America* -- girl or boy -- is usually not about having a kid who has ANY potential to play professional or US NT soccer. It's about what's the best thing available for our kids locally to get them to the next place they want to go, which is probably college, likely NOT on scholarship. It is not likely that our kids have any shot at a national team slot. People with kids with national team shots and ambitions aren't wasting their time on this board. They're moving to southern California or to Barcelona for the sake of their kid's training or out finding coaches with European accents to do one-on-one training

And they'd be correct as well...

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German, Spanish, English??? Just who are these European coaches?

If you visit Evergreen, at least half of the coaches there are clearly not from here, whether its FCV, or FC Barcelona, or any of the other soccer clubs that train there. FC Barcelona's coaches look to be from Italy, FCV's TD is German, and has several former pro staff from Brazil, and England at least. Anecdotal, yep, for sure. But I hear lots of foreign accents at alot of soccer events. Just because you're from any of these places does not make you a good coach though. Only on this list.

If you are UEFA certified, yes. Do you know what a Catalan/European Spaniard? looks and sounds like? They aren't Italian.

Curious, is FC Barcelona Escola participating in a league or just friendlies/tournaments? Anyone out there have a kid in the program?

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German, Spanish, English??? Just who are these European coaches?

If you visit Evergreen, at least half of the coaches there are clearly not from here, whether its FCV, or FC Barcelona, or any of the other soccer clubs that train there. FC Barcelona's coaches look to be from Italy, FCV's TD is German, and has several former pro staff from Brazil, and England at least. Anecdotal, yep, for sure. But I hear lots of foreign accents at alot of soccer events. Just because you're from any of these places does not make you a good coach though. Only on this list.

That's because the owner is a foreigner.

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Anonymous wrote:How big are the DA rosters on the girls side (i.e. how many good players are not even dressing for games)? Were they published somewhere?

Since there are only 3 subs allowed, you also have good players dressing for games but not getting minutes. You can see rosters for teams that have played already by clicking on the game report

DA substitution rules seem to be poorly understood. There are 3 points in the game where substitutions can be made, with no re-entry. A team can substitute up to 7 players at U-14, and 5 at the older ages. A team can roster up to 18 per game, and some teams have more in their program than that so some players do not dress. At U-14, you can theoretically get everyone in the game.

There are 26 on the rosters at our Club.

The other thing you see on those rosters is some clubs list their DP's as well as their full time players. So some rosters appear huge, but in general, DP's are practice only players who are not regularly rostered on game day.

The DP's can play games however, and are likely in this area anyway to maybe play in VPL or a weekend tournament. I would say from a Developmental perspective the DP's are getting the best of both worlds. I think the mood for both players and parents at a DA game would be similar to a tryout session.

After watching the USMNT, for individual development I would stay far away from DA.

Train with the Europeans.

Nice thought, but not super helpful.
DD's coach is European (as are many DA coaches), does that count?

What, not true at all, are all of the opinions on this forum strictly anecdotal? Or do you assume a non-white coach is not "American". BTW the other poster about the "USMNT and train with Europeans" is about ignorant as you can get when discussing youth soccer. USDA is on track to be very successful program for providing a pipeline to US NT programs and U.S colleges. It will be more clear as the USDA graduates who stay for the duration of the program from U13 to U18 end up stringing games together with college and NASL/USL leagues OR they actually become pro players non-MLS clubs are interested in.

And shitty soccer is played in both those places. So--I concede--they are great at picking the players which are good at shitty--style of US soccer.

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Anonymous wrote:How big are the DA rosters on the girls side (i.e. how many good players are not even dressing for games)? Were they published somewhere?

Since there are only 3 subs allowed, you also have good players dressing for games but not getting minutes. You can see rosters for teams that have played already by clicking on the game report

DA substitution rules seem to be poorly understood. There are 3 points in the game where substitutions can be made, with no re-entry. A team can substitute up to 7 players at U-14, and 5 at the older ages. A team can roster up to 18 per game, and some teams have more in their program than that so some players do not dress. At U-14, you can theoretically get everyone in the game.

There are 26 on the rosters at our Club.

The other thing you see on those rosters is some clubs list their DP's as well as their full time players. So some rosters appear huge, but in general, DP's are practice only players who are not regularly rostered on game day.

The DP's can play games however, and are likely in this area anyway to maybe play in VPL or a weekend tournament. I would say from a Developmental perspective the DP's are getting the best of both worlds. I think the mood for both players and parents at a DA game would be similar to a tryout session.

After watching the USMNT, for individual development I would stay far away from DA.

Train with the Europeans.

Nice thought, but not super helpful.
DD's coach is European (as are many DA coaches), does that count?

What, not true at all, are all of the opinions on this forum strictly anecdotal? Or do you assume a non-white coach is not "American". BTW the other poster about the "USMNT and train with Europeans" is about ignorant as you can get when discussing youth soccer. USDA is on track to be very successful program for providing a pipeline to US NT programs and U.S colleges. It will be more clear as the USDA graduates who stay for the duration of the program from U13 to U18 end up stringing games together with college and NASL/USL leagues OR they actually become pro players non-MLS clubs are interested in.

And shitty soccer is played in both those places. So--I concede--they are great at picking the players which are good at shitty--style of US soccer.

Agree. My 9 and 12 year old were watching the college men's soccer NCAA championship. They both said--'they are just kicking it!". The first touch on the majority of players was atrocious---as was the ability to read the field. To see a ball just bounce off a player's foot or leg because they didn't have the skill/touch to get it under control. Pitiful.

I think it's funny how these DA conversations seem to change very quickly from the original discussion -- of GIRLS DA -- to a discussion of BOYS DA and its impact on MLS and how the Europeans are (clearly) way better. whatever, americans are way better at basketball and I'm sure there are basketball snobs sitting in Europe on some chat board saying that if you REALLY want your kid to be a successful player, then s/he needs to go live in America and play. And having a kid in soccer *here in America* -- girl or boy -- is usually not about having a kid who has ANY potential to play professional or US NT soccer. It's about what's the best thing available for our kids locally to get them to the next place they want to go, which is probably college, likely NOT on scholarship. It is not likely that our kids have any shot at a national team slot. People with kids with national team shots and ambitions aren't wasting their time on this board. They're moving to southern California or to Barcelona for the sake of their kid's training or out finding coaches with European accents to do one-on-one training

And they'd be correct as well...

How so? What makes the good basketball players is joining a little league and then the parents noticing their kids are good and then following the money with camps and private academies to join AAU to then a combo of HS/AAU and then a top college basketball program to then be eligible for a draft.

What European parents would say "Yeah, that's what we want to do!"

Equally ludicrous are the people here saying "just go to Europe..."

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^^ don't be an idiot. The best basketball players in this country (NBA) came from nothing.

They grew up playing street basketball. They get scholarships to private high schools. Their parents didn't have the $$.

The kids in wealthy suburban areas aren't tearing up the NBA.

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Anonymous wrote:^^ don't be an idiot. The best basketball players in this country (NBA) came from nothing.

They grew up playing street basketball. They get scholarships to private high schools. Their parents didn't have the $$.

The kids in wealthy suburban areas aren't tearing up the NBA.

Fortunately, they have a means--unlike the soccer kids with no $.

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Anonymous wrote:^^ don't be an idiot. The best basketball players in this country (NBA) came from nothing.

They grew up playing street basketball. They get scholarships to private high schools. Their parents didn't have the $$.

The kids in wealthy suburban areas aren't tearing up the NBA.

So yes, some of the best basketball players came from just streetball, in my response would you say to European parents just have them go to the local parks and see if someone will play with them?!?!

Seriously, how would Europeans who want to have their child grow up in American basketball setting go about it? I think my scenario would be more in line with what those parents would choose to go with. Likewise, any soccer parents here who would take their child to Europe for a "soccer education" wouldn't just have their child be part of pick-up games(although that could be used a supplement to the structured training).

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Anonymous wrote:^^ don't be an idiot. The best basketball players in this country (NBA) came from nothing.

They grew up playing street basketball. They get scholarships to private high schools. Their parents didn't have the $$.

The kids in wealthy suburban areas aren't tearing up the NBA.

So yes, some of the best basketball players came from just streetball, in my response would you say to European parents just have them go to the local parks and see if someone will play with them?!?!

Seriously, how would Europeans who want to have their child grow up in American basketball setting go about it? I think my scenario would be more in line with what those parents would choose to go with. Likewise, any soccer parents here who would take their child to Europe for a "soccer education" wouldn't just have their child be part of pick-up games(although that could be used a supplement to the structured training).

https://www.americaninno.com/boston/american-vs-european-basketball-celtics-coach-brad-stevens-compares-the-two/

It echoes comments made by Kobe Bryant, who grew up playing in Italy as a child, when he told ESPN earlier in 2015 that Europeans “are just taught the game the right way at an early age…They’re more skillful.”
When asked if he was a fan of the “beautiful game,” Stevens gave an intriguing response:

Yeah, but I’m not as big of a soccer fan, like I don’t understand the club systems quite as well in soccer, but I’ve always thought it would be interesting if the United States would have like a club system, because I think these guys (European players) grow up, they really have a great feel for how to play the game.

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^^"coaching the read"; spacing. That is not done over here and these comments could have been said about our soccer.

The Boston Celtic's coach on European basketball:

“The two things that have always stood out offensively in particular are the spacing and the unselfishness,” Stevens explained. “I mean they share the ball and they always make the right read. And we got exposed a little bit playing against them in that regard.”

The differing style of play is rooted in both the coaches and players.

“I just think it all ties together,” said Stevens. “Understanding the right read at the right time and having the unselfishness to make it. You have to coach the reads and then you’ve got to have guys that are willing to make that play. And to do both is really impressive.”

So--yea--maybe they don't have to come to America--except to make the $$$$.

[Anonymous]

Look, it's very simple.

Every soccer coach goes against what every other soccer coach does, because every other soccer coach is wrong. Every other soccer coach is doing things the U.S. way, but every soccer coach is inspired by a tour of Barcelona or Ajax to do things differently.

So just get your kids to play with every soccer coach instead of every other soccer coach. Simple!

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Anonymous wrote:

German, Spanish, English??? Just who are these European coaches?

If you visit Evergreen, at least half of the coaches there are clearly not from here, whether its FCV, or FC Barcelona, or any of the other soccer clubs that train there. FC Barcelona's coaches look to be from Italy, FCV's TD is German, and has several former pro staff from Brazil, and England at least. Anecdotal, yep, for sure. But I hear lots of foreign accents at alot of soccer events. Just because you're from any of these places does not make you a good coach though. Only on this list.

If you are UEFA certified, yes. Do you know what a Catalan/European Spaniard? looks and sounds like? They aren't Italian.

Curious, is FC Barcelona Escola participating in a league or just friendlies/tournaments? Anyone out there have a kid in the program?

They will only be doing tournaments this year at the older ages. They will start to enter teams into leagues next year.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

German, Spanish, English??? Just who are these European coaches?

If you visit Evergreen, at least half of the coaches there are clearly not from here, whether its FCV, or FC Barcelona, or any of the other soccer clubs that train there. FC Barcelona's coaches look to be from Italy, FCV's TD is German, and has several former pro staff from Brazil, and England at least. Anecdotal, yep, for sure. But I hear lots of foreign accents at alot of soccer events. Just because you're from any of these places does not make you a good coach though. Only on this list.

If you are UEFA certified, yes. Do you know what a Catalan/European Spaniard? looks and sounds like? They aren't Italian.

Curious, is FC Barcelona Escola participating in a league or just friendlies/tournaments? Anyone out there have a kid in the program?

They will only be doing tournaments this year at the older ages. They will start to enter teams into leagues next year.

Their Arizona location is playing DA.

http://grsa.ussoccerda.com/club-staff

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Anonymous wrote:Look, it's very simple.

Every soccer coach goes against what every other soccer coach does, because every other soccer coach is wrong. Every other soccer coach is doing things the U.S. way, but every soccer coach is inspired by a tour of Barcelona or Ajax to do things differently.

So just get your kids to play with every soccer coach instead of every other soccer coach. Simple!

I know this was sarcasm. However, I've long believed kids should be exposed to many different coaches and learn many different styles of play in their youth. They take something different from each.

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German, Spanish, English??? Just who are these European coaches?

If you visit Evergreen, at least half of the coaches there are clearly not from here, whether its FCV, or FC Barcelona, or any of the other soccer clubs that train there. FC Barcelona's coaches look to be from Italy, FCV's TD is German, and has several former pro staff from Brazil, and England at least. Anecdotal, yep, for sure. But I hear lots of foreign accents at alot of soccer events. Just because you're from any of these places does not make you a good coach though. Only on this list.

If you are UEFA certified, yes. Do you know what a Catalan/European Spaniard? looks and sounds like? They aren't Italian.

Curious, is FC Barcelona Escola participating in a league or just friendlies/tournaments? Anyone out there have a kid in the program?

They will only be doing tournaments this year at the older ages. They will start to enter teams into leagues next year.

Their Arizona location is playing DA.

http://grsa.ussoccerda.com/club-staff

There are multiple Escola/Academy locations. Those playing in leagues right away are FL, NC, NY, AZ. FL and NC locations are a couple of years old. NY is new this year. The AZ is a residential academy that sounds like it will be modeled after LaMasia except for the astounding price.