ludlow-taylor

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is obviously true is that most high-SES parents in the Stanton Park neighborhood won't put their kids in majority AA classes, because AA is highly correlated with socially and academically challenged in DCPS. Maybe a 1/4 of these are OK with sending their kids to majority AA classes (mostly very liberal whites, vs. high-SES black parents).

If you aren't OK with majority-AA classes, don't enroll your kid in a predominantly black school system.

Mathematically, the only way to have a predominantly black school system without having majority-AA classes is to have segregated schools (which, unfortunately, is awfully close to what DC has).

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised/disappointed that people are so accepting of -- in fact, advocating for -- segregation. But really -- it's 2013! Next year it will be 60 years since Brown v. Board of Education.

[Anonymous]

^You're behind the times. We left the LT District, after ten years there, mainly over concerns about the school for our toddler. We bought a small home in the Brent District. We didn't get in IB for Brent's preschool but we're in at a charter. Both preschools will be majority white/high-SES this fall (and almost certainly all the way up) but still diverse, both racially and in terms of socio-economics.

You no longer have to send your kid to majority AA/low-SES classes EotP in this school system if you do not wish to. And that, my friend, is mathematical certainty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You no longer have to send your kid to majority AA/low-SES classes EotP in this school system if you do not wish to. And that, my friend, is mathematical certainty.

No, it isn't, not in a school system like DC, where at any point in time parents can just walk away, enroll out-of-boundary, charter, private. In the nearby suburbs, where school choice is much narrower or in-existent, your logic makes more sense.

BTW, I think you misunderstood PP, who I'm quite sure meant DC as a whole referring to "school district". Notwithstanding trends, DC's public school population is undoubtedly majority non-white, like the rest of the country btw in the not so distant future by the way, as Census data indicate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:BTW, I think you misunderstood PP, who I'm quite sure meant DC as a whole referring to "school district". Notwithstanding trends, DC's public school population is undoubtedly majority non-white, like the rest of the country btw in the not so distant future by the way, as Census data indicate.

Yes, this is what I meant -- thanks for clarifying for me!

DC is ~40 percent white, and I think the DCPS student population is more African-American/less white than the population as a whole.

If students were randomly assigned to schools, every school in the city would be majority African-American with a significant white minority and smaller numbers of Latino and Asian students; it's residential segregation that results in schools that are 60 to 70-percent white in Ward 3 and 98 to 100-percent black in Wards 7 & 8.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You no longer have to send your kid to majority AA/low-SES classes EotP in this school system if you do not wish to. And that, my friend, is mathematical certainty.

No, it isn't, not in a school system like DC, where at any point in time parents can just walk away, enroll out-of-boundary, charter, private. In the nearby suburbs, where school choice is much narrower or in-existent, your logic makes more sense.

BTW, I think you misunderstood PP, who I'm quite sure meant DC as a whole referring to "school district". Notwithstanding trends, DC's public school population is undoubtedly majority non-white, like the rest of the country btw in the not so distant future by the way, as Census data indicate.

Well, not many (if any) low income kids will be moving into the Brent district, regardless of their race, and OOB kids do not get in due to high demand. I do believe thats a certainty!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As far as I'm concerned, it's not about black or white, green or purple. Most parents, whether black, white, green or purple who want a good life for their kids do not want them in a school environment that's full of disruption that prevents learning. And most of us don't care if the source of that disruption is black, white, green or purple. As far as I'm concerned, it's about behavior. I don't give a damn about someone's race or income, I've seen bad behavior from all races and all income levels.

This is a good and valid point. However, I have seen many a white parent (and teachers, black and white) give white disruptors - sometimes, frankly, arrogant little brats whose parents let kids run the show - the benefit of the doubt (well she's tired, well he's a boy, you know s-he has a little ADD) - but not give the same breaks to black children. (FYI, I am white.)

So very true and so very sad. I see this everyday which reminds me of a little anecdote. One day I overheard two white parents discussing a black "disruptor" and discussing how his presence oh so negatively impacted the classroom dynamics (the classroom they spent two minutes a week, in mind you). Then I actually heard them say it would be best if the child had simply gone to his neighborhood school. Funny thing is the baby lives on F and 8th. Through my acute deductive reasoning skills (and my highly developed common sense) I would have to say: Racist Alert! Antonia is right. The problem are all the closeted racists. I am going to get like fifty responses saying "Oh no...it's not race its SES...blah blah blah." Even if saying it helps you sleep at night it is obvious to anyone with a brain what is racist and what is not.

I say the first brave person on here to admit they are racist should get a candy bar and standing ovation.

[Anonymous]

I think you are right. The hard part is when parents ARE NOT rascist and are discussing valid concerns and get labeled as rascist. It makes the whole conversation of school reform very difficult.

[Anonymous]

agreed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As far as I'm concerned, it's not about black or white, green or purple. Most parents, whether black, white, green or purple who want a good life for their kids do not want them in a school environment that's full of disruption that prevents learning. And most of us don't care if the source of that disruption is black, white, green or purple. As far as I'm concerned, it's about behavior. I don't give a damn about someone's race or income, I've seen bad behavior from all races and all income levels.

This is a good and valid point. However, I have seen many a white parent (and teachers, black and white) give white disruptors - sometimes, frankly, arrogant little brats whose parents let kids run the show - the benefit of the doubt (well she's tired, well he's a boy, you know s-he has a little ADD) - but not give the same breaks to black children. (FYI, I am white.)

So very true and so very sad. I see this everyday which reminds me of a little anecdote. One day I overheard two white parents discussing a black "disruptor" and discussing how his presence oh so negatively impacted the classroom dynamics (the classroom they spent two minutes a week, in mind you). Then I actually heard them say it would be best if the child had simply gone to his neighborhood school. Funny thing is the baby lives on F and 8th. Through my acute deductive reasoning skills (and my highly developed common sense) I would have to say: Racist Alert! Antonia is right. The problem are all the closeted racists. I am going to get like fifty responses saying "Oh no...it's not race its SES...blah blah blah." Even if saying it helps you sleep at night it is obvious to anyone with a brain what is racist and what is not.

I say the first brave person on here to admit they are racist should get a candy bar and standing ovation.

I live at "F and 8th" NE, and if that's where you claim the child was from, I call BS, which makes your "little anecdote" racist.

[Anonymous]

Why do people (12:45) lie on anonymous forum?

[Anonymous]

She must be talking about F & 8th SE. I heard there are a lot of racists down there.

[Anonymous]

If you really think the problem with DC schools is closeted white racists, and if you really think that everything would be just fine if we got rid of the closeted white racists, then please email me because I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I'm willing to sell you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She must be talking about F & 8th SE. I heard there are a lot of racists down there.

Seventh & F SE? Non-existent racists at a non-existent location?

[Anonymous]

Oops, Eighth & F SE.

[Anonymous]

C'mon y'all if it wasn't for the racists then DCPS would never be on the upswing. Let's give credit where credit is due.