Senate Democrats sending secret letter about Kavanaugh to FBI

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Anonymous wrote:More in the New Yorker. I don't think there is enough for anything to come of it, but it is pretty standard for boys who go to schools like Prep and Landon.

Not only do you think it’s okay to spread rumors that Kavanaugh sexually assaulted someone in high school but now you want to spread rumors that it’s standard behavior for boys at like Landon and Prep to sexually assault girls. Good grief, you are sick. And no, I’m not associated with either of those schools in any way. And I’m a moderate registered Democrat who feels like she’s lost her party.

It’s not rumors, it is allaegations. Perhaps you should actually read the article.

“Allegations” made by some anonymous person who curiously has come out of the woodwork after 30 years. And it doesn’t even sound like she is alleging something illegal. A boy tried to kiss me in high school!!!

Yep. I remember something similar happening to me at that age. I'm not about to dredge it up now, 30 yrs. later. This is beyond idiotic.

Maybe you should. It sounds like you still have some open psychological wounds that haven't healed.

There needs to be far more nuanced view here. A single incident from 30+ years ago should not destroy anyone's life, whether male or female. Being a Democrat, I am no fan of Judge K or of how the Republican Senate treated Garland. I no doubt would vote against him if I were a Senator. But everybody has gone too far here. There is a huge difference between what we think Judge K did today, what Bill did over decades, and then what Donald did over decades. Huge range of behaviors. I do not where the line is, but it is not at zero. Take the Duke lax scandal. As it turns out, the boys did not do what everybody was screaming about. But what is acknowledged is that a college lax team hired a stripper for a team party. That itself is inappropriate, though not illegal. The screaming around that scandal was overblown, and ignored what we know really happened.

Oh look, another one of those "I'm a Democrat but..." posts.

We all know you're a pro- Kavanaugh shill so just cut the crap. An attempted sexual assault is no comparison to hiring a stripper for a party - don't even try to justify it.

My DH went to one of these schools in the early 80's, and partied with this crowd when Prep was known to be the worst of the worst. We know a woman who was approached to sign the "good character" letter and refused. Kavanaugh was the quiet, smart guy who hung back, but watch out when he was drinking. At Yale he was part of drunk boys frat. I have no doubt that other women have stories about him.

And presumably you would have voted not only to impeach Bill but to convict Bill. Same with Franken? What about Ellison from MN? Same? BTW. I am local as well (Big 3) and knew/know many GP guys. And what about the "mean" girls who mistreat their classmates? How should that behavior affect their careers, 30 years later? What about the high school kid who "borrowed" something from a store in a single incident? Or forgot to pay for my drinks at a bar? Get real! Frankly, someone who has done nothing stupid or wrong over 30 plus years would worry me more.

DP. So you're not really a Democrat, you were just posing as one?

Sounds like just another Trump troll trying to pretend attempted sexual assault is the same thing as mean girl behavior or shoplifting.

Nope. I am a confirmed Democrat. Voted Democratic in over 95%, in all elections. Occasional $ contributor to Democrats. Federal and state. Most everybody who knows me knows that I am a Democrat. Worked on a few D campaigns. Sorry. My question is should Bill have been convicted in the Senate? What he did was far worse and lasted for decades. Should Franken have resigned? And what about Senator Kennedy? What we know NOW about Judge K is that he did something stupid in high school. There is no even allegations NOW that, unlike Bill or even Donald, this behavior was regular and ongoing, whether physical or verbal. I ask again what about the "mean" girl treatment that daughters of my friends have received around town. And I know that some of the girls that moved in these same circles with Judge K fell into that "mean" character. Sorry. I was in those circles. Attended 2 of Big 5.

Mean girl behavior is not the same as sexual assault. You get that, right?

So, you would have convicted Bill, Franken, Kennedy?? You are avoiding the question. There is a line. We can debate that line, but there is a line. Personally, absent more info, I am not obsessed about this single incident, 30 years ago. Separately, I would still vote against Judge K if I were a Senator, for other non-character reasons.

Franken didn't lure a girl into a bedroom and assault her. He took a picture that alluded to sexual contact...but he didn't actually touch her. And the conservative operative who alleged inappropriate kissing during a consensual, staged bit during a show should never have been taken seriously.

Yes, Ted got into a terrible wreck due to his own negligence and left a girl to die. He should have served time for that. He got a free pass because of his family name and power. Kinda like Kavanaugh. I think he got a free pass just like the other rich asshat jocks at Prep, Gonzaga, GC and SJC I knew back in the day who raped girls for fun at keg parties back in the day.

I think you sound seriously damaged, and sincerely hope you don’t have sons to torment with your weird and pathetic mix of neurosis and hatred.

Were you ever pinned down by two guys and raped at a keg party? And then were you labeled a slut afterwards as word spread across area Catholic schools? Did you ever hear guys say, "Hey, let's pull a Suzy Smith tonight! Who looks good?" Because that happened. And it wasn't an isolated incident. That was the reality for several girls I know...and probably many more before and after my high school days.

I'm not damaged. I'm fine. But I most certainly will not write off rape as "boys will boys" high school antics. But it sounds like you never encountered this or you simply write it off as silly boy stuff.

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Were you ever pinned down by two guys and raped at a keg party? And then were you labeled a slut afterwards as word spread across area Catholic schools? Did you ever hear guys say, "Hey, let's pull a Suzy Smith tonight! Who looks good?" Because that happened. And it wasn't an isolated incident. That was the reality for several girls I know...and probably many more before and after my high school days.

I'm not damaged. I'm fine. But I most certainly will not write off rape as "boys will boys" high school antics. But it sounds like you never encountered this or you simply write it off as silly boy stuff.

So, an anonymous woman--who wishes to remain so--claims that when she was in high school --that two guys locked her in a room and held her down. She got out of the room, and now this is rape?

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2. How did a girl get out of a locked room if two boys did not let her?

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Anonymous wrote:If she said "no" and he did not stop then it is attempted rape or rape. She said no so why should she be sullied?

We know none of that. We really don’t *know* if any of what has been made public actually happened.
We are being asked to believe an anonymous person who has said nothing for over 30 years. And this, after a slew of antics by the left to stop this nomination.
Very sketchy. Many of us remain unconvinced.

That's fine if you remain unconvinced. You obviously never went to a local party with boys from area catholic high schools. But those of us who did either personally experienced such things or know girls who did. So I'm sure you can understand why we are apt to believe that this is totally within the realm of possibility. This was a regular occurrence on Friday and Saturday nights back in the day.

And then even if you hadn't been at the party, you heard about it. This was back in the prehistoric days long before smartphones, so we relied on word of mouth. The guys would brag about it...because they thought it was funny and cool. They were heroes. And the girl who was dragged into a room and pinned down was labeled a slut...by everyone...including other girls (she should have known better, what did she expect would happen, why did she drink that much, why didn't she scream (she did, but nobody helped), etc.).

Interestingly, this was rampant in the catholic school party scene, but not in the public school scene. I had friends in both, and I went to all kinds of parties. I think some of these privileged boys were led to believe they were entitled to certain things, and I think they lived in the worst kind of frat boy environment even before they went off to college.

Nice anecdote. And it convinces me even more that this story is a bunch of hogwash.
This “victim” was likely privy to the culture you detailed. What better way to convince DC liberals than by creating a story that many of you experienced?
What are the names of all the other “victims” of Kavanaugh that have come forward? Oh, that’s right. There are none.
IOW - this is totally out of character for Kavanaugh and too convenient to be believed.

I didn't know Kavanaugh in HS (I'm younger). But I'm sure you would be shocked if you knew some of the horrific stuff some area businessmen, lawyers, and car dealers did back in the day. You wouldn't believe they raped and harassed multiple girls. That would be totally out of character for the adult you know from church/school/little league. But it happened.

It obviously wasn't every guy.

And it's interesting how some of these guys have blocked it out. Heck, some of the friends of the victims have too. Because some of these people run in the same circles today, they have conveniently forgotten the horrific things they did in HS. One of my friends confronted another girl from HS after she had posted something indicating she had hung out with one of the guys who held down her friend as she was raped. My friend called her out privately asking how she could have done that given what he did. Her response? "Oh, I had forgotten all about that! I mean, it was decades ago! Anyway, he's so nice now..."

I wonder if our generation was just desensitized to it since it was commonplace and seemingly accepted?

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Were you ever pinned down by two guys and raped at a keg party? And then were you labeled a slut afterwards as word spread across area Catholic schools? Did you ever hear guys say, "Hey, let's pull a Suzy Smith tonight! Who looks good?" Because that happened. And it wasn't an isolated incident. That was the reality for several girls I know...and probably many more before and after my high school days.

I'm not damaged. I'm fine. But I most certainly will not write off rape as "boys will boys" high school antics. But it sounds like you never encountered this or you simply write it off as silly boy stuff.

So, an anonymous woman--who wishes to remain so--claims that when she was in high school --that two guys locked her in a room and held her down. She got out of the room, and now this is rape?

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2. How did a girl get out of a locked room if two boys did not let her?

Nobody knows if she was raped, but it sounds like she was assaulted. Pinning someone down isn't okay...you get that, right?

I can't believe I have to explain this to you, but I'll try. You kick the guy and hopefully you are strong enough to push him off so you can run to the door and escape. Sometimes when you fight back, the attacker will actually back off.

#TheMoreYouKnow

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Anonymous wrote:The reason this woman needs to be anonymous is because her credibility must be seriously flawed.

Apparently many people know who she is and she has a stellar reputation. I think she's going to end up going public because so many people are learning her identity.

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Anonymous wrote:The reason this woman needs to be anonymous is because her credibility must be seriously flawed.

Apparently many people know who she is and she has a stellar reputation. I think she's going to end up going public because so many people are learning her identity.

Everyone at the party knows who she is. And it's very likely that half of the people in area Catholic high schools at the time know who she is as well.

I bet she is working on a plan to go public right now. And I applaud her courage.

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Anonymous wrote:If she said "no" and he did not stop then it is attempted rape or rape. She said no so why should she be sullied?

We know none of that. We really don’t *know* if any of what has been made public actually happened.
We are being asked to believe an anonymous person who has said nothing for over 30 years. And this, after a slew of antics by the left to stop this nomination.
Very sketchy. Many of us remain unconvinced.

That's fine if you remain unconvinced. You obviously never went to a local party with boys from area catholic high schools. But those of us who did either personally experienced such things or know girls who did. So I'm sure you can understand why we are apt to believe that this is totally within the realm of possibility. This was a regular occurrence on Friday and Saturday nights back in the day.

And then even if you hadn't been at the party, you heard about it. This was back in the prehistoric days long before smartphones, so we relied on word of mouth. The guys would brag about it...because they thought it was funny and cool. They were heroes. And the girl who was dragged into a room and pinned down was labeled a slut...by everyone...including other girls (she should have known better, what did she expect would happen, why did she drink that much, why didn't she scream (she did, but nobody helped), etc.).

Interestingly, this was rampant in the catholic school party scene, but not in the public school scene. I had friends in both, and I went to all kinds of parties. I think some of these privileged boys were led to believe they were entitled to certain things, and I think they lived in the worst kind of frat boy environment even before they went off to college.

Nice anecdote. And it convinces me even more that this story is a bunch of hogwash.
This “victim” was likely privy to the culture you detailed. What better way to convince DC liberals than by creating a story that many of you experienced?
What are the names of all the other “victims” of Kavanaugh that have come forward? Oh, that’s right. There are none.
IOW - this is totally out of character for Kavanaugh and too convenient to be believed.

I didn't know Kavanaugh in HS (I'm younger). But I'm sure you would be shocked if you knew some of the horrific stuff some area businessmen, lawyers, and car dealers did back in the day. You wouldn't believe they raped and harassed multiple girls. That would be totally out of character for the adult you know from church/school/little league. But it happened.

It obviously wasn't every guy.

And it's interesting how some of these guys have blocked it out. Heck, some of the friends of the victims have too. Because some of these people run in the same circles today, they have conveniently forgotten the horrific things they did in HS. One of my friends confronted another girl from HS after she had posted something indicating she had hung out with one of the guys who held down her friend as she was raped. My friend called her out privately asking how she could have done that given what he did. Her response? "Oh, I had forgotten all about that! I mean, it was decades ago! Anyway, he's so nice now..."

I wonder if our generation was just desensitized to it since it was commonplace and seemingly accepted?

I’m sorry you and your friends were victims of this horrible treatment. But don’t project your experience on an innocent man because some unknown person makes an allegation that we have learned very little about.

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Does anyone know where Kavanaugh went to grade school or what parish he grew up in?

Because there were certain feeder schools for prep, and I went to one where multiple boys did horrific things to girls. I wonder if he went to my school.

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Anonymous wrote:If she said "no" and he did not stop then it is attempted rape or rape. She said no so why should she be sullied?

We know none of that. We really don’t *know* if any of what has been made public actually happened.
We are being asked to believe an anonymous person who has said nothing for over 30 years. And this, after a slew of antics by the left to stop this nomination.
Very sketchy. Many of us remain unconvinced.

That's fine if you remain unconvinced. You obviously never went to a local party with boys from area catholic high schools. But those of us who did either personally experienced such things or know girls who did. So I'm sure you can understand why we are apt to believe that this is totally within the realm of possibility. This was a regular occurrence on Friday and Saturday nights back in the day.

And then even if you hadn't been at the party, you heard about it. This was back in the prehistoric days long before smartphones, so we relied on word of mouth. The guys would brag about it...because they thought it was funny and cool. They were heroes. And the girl who was dragged into a room and pinned down was labeled a slut...by everyone...including other girls (she should have known better, what did she expect would happen, why did she drink that much, why didn't she scream (she did, but nobody helped), etc.).

Interestingly, this was rampant in the catholic school party scene, but not in the public school scene. I had friends in both, and I went to all kinds of parties. I think some of these privileged boys were led to believe they were entitled to certain things, and I think they lived in the worst kind of frat boy environment even before they went off to college.

Nice anecdote. And it convinces me even more that this story is a bunch of hogwash.
This “victim” was likely privy to the culture you detailed. What better way to convince DC liberals than by creating a story that many of you experienced?
What are the names of all the other “victims” of Kavanaugh that have come forward? Oh, that’s right. There are none.
IOW - this is totally out of character for Kavanaugh and too convenient to be believed.

I didn't know Kavanaugh in HS (I'm younger). But I'm sure you would be shocked if you knew some of the horrific stuff some area businessmen, lawyers, and car dealers did back in the day. You wouldn't believe they raped and harassed multiple girls. That would be totally out of character for the adult you know from church/school/little league. But it happened.

It obviously wasn't every guy.

And it's interesting how some of these guys have blocked it out. Heck, some of the friends of the victims have too. Because some of these people run in the same circles today, they have conveniently forgotten the horrific things they did in HS. One of my friends confronted another girl from HS after she had posted something indicating she had hung out with one of the guys who held down her friend as she was raped. My friend called her out privately asking how she could have done that given what he did. Her response? "Oh, I had forgotten all about that! I mean, it was decades ago! Anyway, he's so nice now..."

I wonder if our generation was just desensitized to it since it was commonplace and seemingly accepted?

I’m sorry you and your friends were victims of this horrible treatment. But don’t project your experience on an innocent man because some unknown person makes an allegation that we have learned very little about.

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I haven't said I am convinced he did anything wrong...yet.

All I've said is it sounds very familiar...and it was endemic at prep (and other local schools).

If she goes public, I suspect it's because she is telling the truth. If this happened, she likely told her best friends. She would have run out of the room, grabbed her friends and left the party. Word would have spread. People would know.

The fact that other posters have indicated that lots of people know the story and the woman leads me to believe something happened and everyone at the party and at prep heard about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know where Kavanaugh went to grade school or what parish he grew up in?

Because there were certain feeder schools for prep, and I went to one where multiple boys did horrific things to girls. I wonder if he went to my school.

Kavanaugh went to Mater Dei.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know where Kavanaugh went to grade school or what parish he grew up in?

Because there were certain feeder schools for prep, and I went to one where multiple boys did horrific things to girls. I wonder if he went to my school.

Kavanaugh went to Mater Dei.

Did he start there in 1st? Do you know what parish he belonged to?

Several boys from my parish switched to Mater Dei and The Heights. Most came from the most conservative families and were Opus Dei. Several had fathers who worked for the Admin or fed govt.

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Google Mark Judge, the guy who was allegedly with Kavanaugh.

I know he's trying to get out in front of it, but everything he has said makes it seem like he (Judge) would be involved with such an incident.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know where Kavanaugh went to grade school or what parish he grew up in?

Because there were certain feeder schools for prep, and I went to one where multiple boys did horrific things to girls. I wonder if he went to my school.

Kavanaugh went to Mater Dei.

Did he start there in 1st? Do you know what parish he belonged to?

Several boys from my parish switched to Mater Dei and The Heights. Most came from the most conservative families and were Opus Dei. Several had fathers who worked for the Admin or fed govt.

I think so. He was Father John Enzler's altar boy at Little Flower in Bethesda.

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Anonymous wrote:An anonymous accusation is not the same as credible. You get that, right?

FBI rolls eyes, says whatever and tucks claim away in a folder. Done.

Now, time to vote.

Absolutely. The Democrats cannot be rewarded for pulling eleventh hour dirty moves like this. They need to learn this kind of crap will not be tolerated. Take the vote as scheduled.

Pot meet Kettle.

BTW what is in those 100k documents concerning Kavanaugh the GOP withheld from the American people?? Shenanigans? Look in the mirror!!

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Were you ever pinned down by two guys and raped at a keg party? And then were you labeled a slut afterwards as word spread across area Catholic schools? Did you ever hear guys say, "Hey, let's pull a Suzy Smith tonight! Who looks good?" Because that happened. And it wasn't an isolated incident. That was the reality for several girls I know...and probably many more before and after my high school days.

I'm not damaged. I'm fine. But I most certainly will not write off rape as "boys will boys" high school antics. But it sounds like you never encountered this or you simply write it off as silly boy stuff.

So, an anonymous woman--who wishes to remain so--claims that when she was in high school --that two guys locked her in a room and held her down. She got out of the room, and now this is rape?

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2. How did a girl get out of a locked room if two boys did not let her?

Are you crazy. Bedroom doors lick from the inside and maybe she was able to fight them off because they were drunk. Just because she was able to get out doesn't mean there was no attempted rape which is a felony!