Redshirting August boy?

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Anonymous wrote:Depending on the school, you won’t have much of a choice. Many of them redshirt kids back to may for K entry.

So how is this decided? My June boy was not redshirted by the school, but my friend's son was. They are 1 year apart and in the same class. Watching the class engage, I feel like my son is too young for K. He's that one kid who doesn't sit still, doesn't listen the first time, is constantly disturbing other children, making poor choices, etc. Hopefully behaviors really do level out as they age.

He’s a year younger. These are not his true peers. Maybe his last preschool did not prepare him, especially if it was play based.

His entire class isn't one year older. I just know of this one child in particular because I know his mother outside of school. His last wasn't play- based, but it doesn't seem like he was prepared at all which is why I'm so curious how it's decided whether to redshirt or not. For the record, I know my friend had zero plans to redshirt until the school pretty much said you can redshirt or be rejected, choice is yours.

I'd rather be rejected as it's not the right school fit to hold back a child based on its easier for the school vs. putting the time into the child to help them be successful.

Spending an extra year raising them is literally putting in the time.

That's not really how it works. And, if you put the time in early on you probably would not have needed to hold them back. At 18, senior year, anyone who has checked out, isn't going to put effort in when kids are 18/senior year. Be real.

Be real? What? My 18 year old senior crushed it. In academics, sports, socially, everything. Happy kid has had a great freshman year at Princeton so far as well.

And, be real. If you sent him on time, he probably would have crushed it too. But, you choose to infantile him by holding him back. He would have been crushing it as a sophomore where he should be.

You are a fool. You know nothing of my kid, let alone where he stood 13 years ago, family genetics with respect to maturing, etc, etc, etc ad infinitum. You just blather generalities. You have no idea where he should be and you have no idea, really about anything. Typical seldom right but never in doubter.

Right.. anything to justify the situation. Maturing... you didn't even give your kid the chance. I hope you had him in therapy if he was that immature. He needed support not held back.

Oh my God. Are you the same freak show who in a previous thread told me that since my late summer kid was socially and emotionally not ready for kindergarten, I should have put him through a full neuropsych evaluation and gotten him therapy, instead of.. just waiting a year? Despite the fact that just waiting a year got him exactly where he needed to be?

Your passion for pathologizing normal variations in development is truly terrifying.

If your child had social and emotional delays, yes, you should have gotten them help. Maybe you are why they were so delayed.

That’s right, sunshine, he had some kind of delay that was completely remediated by… waiting 12 months.

If waiting 12 months solves the problem without further intervention, I’m completely baffled why you think subjecting a child to extensive testing and therapy is somehow a better solution. Other than, of course, the violation of your invented natural law dictating a 12 month span in the classroom. As if multi-age classrooms haven’t been the practice for the greater part of human history…

It was not waiting 12 month. You put him with younger peers so he’s never had the chance to catch up. You failed him by ignoring it and holding him back. So, what looks to you as maturity is immaturity as he is being compared to with kids a year younger.

Do you even have kids? Young kids mature a TON in 12 months. Even 6 months makes a big difference.

But, they aren't maturing like you are saying. Because, what you are comparing them to are kids a full year younger, not kids their own age or kids older. Yes, 6-12 months makes a big difference but kids will learn more from older kids as the example. If your 5 year old is with 4 year olds, they will seem more mature but they are being held to a 4 year old standard as a 5 year old. So, therefore, they are less mature than the 4 year old if they behave the same way and they are 5.

Thousands of kids who have been redshirted and are now successful adults prove you wrong. If this didn't work, nobody would do it. Unfortunately for you, these kids are doing well and turn out just fine. Find a new hobby.

You are deflecting and entirely missing the point. Some will be fine, some will struggle. However, these kids should be provided with supports given their special needs.

DP. That vast majority don’t have special needs so…

And let's be honest. Most supports are a joke and don't work anyway, if you can even get the school to provide them. If more time makes a huge difference, it's a no brainer.

Even if there is no concern about maturity more time in preschool can be a gift.

Agreed. Sometimes a delay is just a delay, with time kids catch up and no additional help or support is needed. Because kids don't all mature and develop at exactly the same rate. It's shocking people refuse to acknowledge basic facts.

And, did you have a professional decide that or you just held back for your own benefit? I cannot imagine a professional recommending holding back without other supports in place. Your kids aren't more mature when you hold them back. They still have delays. But, you are changing their peer group to a younger group so they appear older and smarter than those kids to you but its artificial given your kids are not with their true peers.

What do you consider a professional? Do the preschool teacher, future kindergarten teacher, and pediatrician count? Because that's what they recommended. I take their input over yours any day.

I would consider someone a psychologist or developmental ped. A preschool teacher or K. teacher is not qualified or trained in that area. Nor are a lot of ped.'s A preschool teacher at best has a generic 4 year degree in anything.

If they are recommending holding back without services and support they are way out of their league. They should recommend an evaluation.

You're so full of it. You don't get a say and your opinion is worthless.

A preschool teacher does not have the qualifications nor does a K. teacher. You are using them as a scapegoat. Nor does a 10 minute ped. appointment. If your child has to be held back, they have a delay, disorder or SN and need help. What are your qualifications to hold back a child and not understand that?

Again, what are your qualifications?

Far more than a teacher for sure. Again, how is a preschool or K teacher qualified? They aren't social workers, psychologists, or developmental peds who take training in it.

You’re a loon with no qualifications. Nobody cares what you think.

Is this the best you can do in the conversation? You didn't have your child evaluated and yet they have delays and SN. You listened to a preschool teacher and a private school who put their needs before your child's. If your child had concerns, you should have gotten them checked out.

You may think your arguments are compelling, but they aren't. All the proof I need is how well my child is doing now. You're just a sad sack internet troll. You should get yourself checked out.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would my redshirting affect anyone else's kid? It is a decision made by me about what is in the best interests of my child. Everyone is entitled to do the same.

This discussion has gone completely off the rails.

Because the expectations change on what is expected of kids at specific grades. How do you not get that.

Is it really best for your child that you basically change their age by a year?

How do you not get my position - which is based on your same concerns? So to allay your concerns, my child with an August 15th birthday should go into first grade as a just-turned 6 yo with someone’s child that will turn 7 on October 1st? And I am horrible to redshirt and have my DC wait a year so the two will be more evenly matched physically, emotionally and academically? I’m not talking about redshirting a child born in April - literally redshirting a child born 6 weeks before cutoff.

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Anonymous wrote:Depending on the school, you won’t have much of a choice. Many of them redshirt kids back to may for K entry.

So how is this decided? My June boy was not redshirted by the school, but my friend's son was. They are 1 year apart and in the same class. Watching the class engage, I feel like my son is too young for K. He's that one kid who doesn't sit still, doesn't listen the first time, is constantly disturbing other children, making poor choices, etc. Hopefully behaviors really do level out as they age.

He’s a year younger. These are not his true peers. Maybe his last preschool did not prepare him, especially if it was play based.

His entire class isn't one year older. I just know of this one child in particular because I know his mother outside of school. His last wasn't play- based, but it doesn't seem like he was prepared at all which is why I'm so curious how it's decided whether to redshirt or not. For the record, I know my friend had zero plans to redshirt until the school pretty much said you can redshirt or be rejected, choice is yours.

I'd rather be rejected as it's not the right school fit to hold back a child based on its easier for the school vs. putting the time into the child to help them be successful.

Spending an extra year raising them is literally putting in the time.

That's not really how it works. And, if you put the time in early on you probably would not have needed to hold them back. At 18, senior year, anyone who has checked out, isn't going to put effort in when kids are 18/senior year. Be real.

Be real? What? My 18 year old senior crushed it. In academics, sports, socially, everything. Happy kid has had a great freshman year at Princeton so far as well.

And, be real. If you sent him on time, he probably would have crushed it too. But, you choose to infantile him by holding him back. He would have been crushing it as a sophomore where he should be.

You are a fool. You know nothing of my kid, let alone where he stood 13 years ago, family genetics with respect to maturing, etc, etc, etc ad infinitum. You just blather generalities. You have no idea where he should be and you have no idea, really about anything. Typical seldom right but never in doubter.

Right.. anything to justify the situation. Maturing... you didn't even give your kid the chance. I hope you had him in therapy if he was that immature. He needed support not held back.

Oh my God. Are you the same freak show who in a previous thread told me that since my late summer kid was socially and emotionally not ready for kindergarten, I should have put him through a full neuropsych evaluation and gotten him therapy, instead of.. just waiting a year? Despite the fact that just waiting a year got him exactly where he needed to be?

Your passion for pathologizing normal variations in development is truly terrifying.

If your child had social and emotional delays, yes, you should have gotten them help. Maybe you are why they were so delayed.

That’s right, sunshine, he had some kind of delay that was completely remediated by… waiting 12 months.

If waiting 12 months solves the problem without further intervention, I’m completely baffled why you think subjecting a child to extensive testing and therapy is somehow a better solution. Other than, of course, the violation of your invented natural law dictating a 12 month span in the classroom. As if multi-age classrooms haven’t been the practice for the greater part of human history…

It was not waiting 12 month. You put him with younger peers so he’s never had the chance to catch up. You failed him by ignoring it and holding him back. So, what looks to you as maturity is immaturity as he is being compared to with kids a year younger.

Do you even have kids? Young kids mature a TON in 12 months. Even 6 months makes a big difference.

But, they aren't maturing like you are saying. Because, what you are comparing them to are kids a full year younger, not kids their own age or kids older. Yes, 6-12 months makes a big difference but kids will learn more from older kids as the example. If your 5 year old is with 4 year olds, they will seem more mature but they are being held to a 4 year old standard as a 5 year old. So, therefore, they are less mature than the 4 year old if they behave the same way and they are 5.

Thousands of kids who have been redshirted and are now successful adults prove you wrong. If this didn't work, nobody would do it. Unfortunately for you, these kids are doing well and turn out just fine. Find a new hobby.

You are deflecting and entirely missing the point. Some will be fine, some will struggle. However, these kids should be provided with supports given their special needs.

DP. That vast majority don’t have special needs so…

And let's be honest. Most supports are a joke and don't work anyway, if you can even get the school to provide them. If more time makes a huge difference, it's a no brainer.

Even if there is no concern about maturity more time in preschool can be a gift.

Agreed. Sometimes a delay is just a delay, with time kids catch up and no additional help or support is needed. Because kids don't all mature and develop at exactly the same rate. It's shocking people refuse to acknowledge basic facts.

And, did you have a professional decide that or you just held back for your own benefit? I cannot imagine a professional recommending holding back without other supports in place. Your kids aren't more mature when you hold them back. They still have delays. But, you are changing their peer group to a younger group so they appear older and smarter than those kids to you but its artificial given your kids are not with their true peers.

What do you consider a professional? Do the preschool teacher, future kindergarten teacher, and pediatrician count? Because that's what they recommended. I take their input over yours any day.

I would consider someone a psychologist or developmental ped. A preschool teacher or K. teacher is not qualified or trained in that area. Nor are a lot of ped.'s A preschool teacher at best has a generic 4 year degree in anything.

If they are recommending holding back without services and support they are way out of their league. They should recommend an evaluation.

You're so full of it. You don't get a say and your opinion is worthless.

A preschool teacher does not have the qualifications nor does a K. teacher. You are using them as a scapegoat. Nor does a 10 minute ped. appointment. If your child has to be held back, they have a delay, disorder or SN and need help. What are your qualifications to hold back a child and not understand that?

Many kids - without delays - would benefit by waiting a year to start.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would my redshirting affect anyone else's kid? It is a decision made by me about what is in the best interests of my child. Everyone is entitled to do the same.

This discussion has gone completely off the rails.

Because the expectations change on what is expected of kids at specific grades. How do you not get that.

Is it really best for your child that you basically change their age by a year?

How do you not get my position - which is based on your same concerns? So to allay your concerns, my child with an August 15th birthday should go into first grade as a just-turned 6 yo with someone’s child that will turn 7 on October 1st? And I am horrible to redshirt and have my DC wait a year so the two will be more evenly matched physically, emotionally and academically? I’m not talking about redshirting a child born in April - literally redshirting a child born 6 weeks before cutoff.

The troll doesn't care one bit about your kid. For some reason your kid is expendable in their warped mind. Pay no attention to the troll.

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Redshirting occurs in public schools too but very slightly less.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2022/09/13/who-redshirts/amp/

Private school: 8.4%
Public school 6.0%

This is extremely misleading. These may be averages for private schools, but within a particular school the number is going to be a lot closer either 100% or zero. For many private schools, the parents have a little to no choice. Which is fine, it’s a private school, and you don’t apply to one of those private schools with a summer kid unless you know that and understand that in public schools where it’s entirely a matter of parental discretion, I’m sure it varies much more by a variety of other factors.

At private schools, parents don’t redshirt because they are trying to win the cage match of kindergarten. They redshirt because the admissions officer says to them “We can offer Larla a spot with the kindergarten class.” The parent either says yes or finds a different school. That’s it. And many of these schools could fill their classes with full pay students several times over, so the parents really have very little bargaining power.

It seems to work out fine and certainly the schools have been producing well-educated and successful graduates for many years. But by all means, if being around redshirted kids would bother you, do not have your child apply to those schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would my redshirting affect anyone else's kid? It is a decision made by me about what is in the best interests of my child. Everyone is entitled to do the same.

This discussion has gone completely off the rails.

Because the expectations change on what is expected of kids at specific grades. How do you not get that.

Is it really best for your child that you basically change their age by a year?

How do you not get my position - which is based on your same concerns? So to allay your concerns, my child with an August 15th birthday should go into first grade as a just-turned 6 yo with someone’s child that will turn 7 on October 1st? And I am horrible to redshirt and have my DC wait a year so the two will be more evenly matched physically, emotionally and academically? I’m not talking about redshirting a child born in April - literally redshirting a child born 6 weeks before cutoff.

Anti-redshirt troll isn’t very logical. Maybe she should have had an extra year in preschool.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would my redshirting affect anyone else's kid? It is a decision made by me about what is in the best interests of my child. Everyone is entitled to do the same.

This discussion has gone completely off the rails.

Because the expectations change on what is expected of kids at specific grades. How do you not get that.

Is it really best for your child that you basically change their age by a year?

How do you not get my position - which is based on your same concerns? So to allay your concerns, my child with an August 15th birthday should go into first grade as a just-turned 6 yo with someone’s child that will turn 7 on October 1st? And I am horrible to redshirt and have my DC wait a year so the two will be more evenly matched physically, emotionally and academically? I’m not talking about redshirting a child born in April - literally redshirting a child born 6 weeks before cutoff.

For the love of God do not take DCUM anti-redshirters seriously. They are good for entertainment value only. If you want to be a good parent, you should do the opposite of whatever those hypocritical lunatics advise.

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We’re red shirting. I sent my dd on time but not ds. So many reasons. I think kindergarten is age inappropriate for 5 year olds. Too much sitting and next to no play. The light went out of my daughter at school. My ds can’t sit still and I know he’d just get yelled at nonstop. Instead he can have another wonderful year of playing at prek. I know he’ll have better focus, attention and listening skills in a year.

Kindergarten needs to be changed in my opinion. It’s not the fun year I remember as a kid.

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Redshirting occurs in public schools too but very slightly less.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2022/09/13/who-redshirts/amp/

Private school: 8.4%
Public school 6.0%

This is extremely misleading. These may be averages for private schools, but within a particular school the number is going to be a lot closer either 100% or zero. For many private schools, the parents have a little to no choice. Which is fine, it’s a private school, and you don’t apply to one of those private schools with a summer kid unless you know that and understand that in public schools where it’s entirely a matter of parental discretion, I’m sure it varies much more by a variety of other factors.

At private schools, parents don’t redshirt because they are trying to win the cage match of kindergarten. They redshirt because the admissions officer says to them “We can offer Larla a spot with the kindergarten class.” The parent either says yes or finds a different school. That’s it. And many of these schools could fill their classes with full pay students several times over, so the parents really have very little bargaining power.

It seems to work out fine and certainly the schools have been producing well-educated and successful graduates for many years. But by all means, if being around redshirted kids would bother you, do not have your child apply to those schools.

This is all reasonable and common sense.

In private school admissions, especially for competitive schools, parents are rarely offered a choice. They get to enroll their kids when the school admits them. There is a line out the door for spots in the better schools, so they don’t need to deal with an unhinged strident anti-redshirt parent demanding that precious Larla start when the anti-redshirter wants. That will simply be a quick and polite decline.

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Anonymous wrote:We’re red shirting. I sent my dd on time but not ds. So many reasons. I think kindergarten is age inappropriate for 5 year olds. Too much sitting and next to no play. The light went out of my daughter at school. My ds can’t sit still and I know he’d just get yelled at nonstop. Instead he can have another wonderful year of playing at prek. I know he’ll have better focus, attention and listening skills in a year.

Kindergarten needs to be changed in my opinion. It’s not the fun year I remember as a kid.

K is the start of school. It’s where kids learn those skills but your child needs a ifferent school environment if they did not prepare them properly. No schoo has k constantly sitting but they are there to learn.

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Anonymous wrote:Depending on the school, you won’t have much of a choice. Many of them redshirt kids back to may for K entry.

So how is this decided? My June boy was not redshirted by the school, but my friend's son was. They are 1 year apart and in the same class. Watching the class engage, I feel like my son is too young for K. He's that one kid who doesn't sit still, doesn't listen the first time, is constantly disturbing other children, making poor choices, etc. Hopefully behaviors really do level out as they age.

He’s a year younger. These are not his true peers. Maybe his last preschool did not prepare him, especially if it was play based.

His entire class isn't one year older. I just know of this one child in particular because I know his mother outside of school. His last wasn't play- based, but it doesn't seem like he was prepared at all which is why I'm so curious how it's decided whether to redshirt or not. For the record, I know my friend had zero plans to redshirt until the school pretty much said you can redshirt or be rejected, choice is yours.

I'd rather be rejected as it's not the right school fit to hold back a child based on its easier for the school vs. putting the time into the child to help them be successful.

Spending an extra year raising them is literally putting in the time.

That's not really how it works. And, if you put the time in early on you probably would not have needed to hold them back. At 18, senior year, anyone who has checked out, isn't going to put effort in when kids are 18/senior year. Be real.

Be real? What? My 18 year old senior crushed it. In academics, sports, socially, everything. Happy kid has had a great freshman year at Princeton so far as well.

And, be real. If you sent him on time, he probably would have crushed it too. But, you choose to infantile him by holding him back. He would have been crushing it as a sophomore where he should be.

You are a fool. You know nothing of my kid, let alone where he stood 13 years ago, family genetics with respect to maturing, etc, etc, etc ad infinitum. You just blather generalities. You have no idea where he should be and you have no idea, really about anything. Typical seldom right but never in doubter.

Right.. anything to justify the situation. Maturing... you didn't even give your kid the chance. I hope you had him in therapy if he was that immature. He needed support not held back.

Oh my God. Are you the same freak show who in a previous thread told me that since my late summer kid was socially and emotionally not ready for kindergarten, I should have put him through a full neuropsych evaluation and gotten him therapy, instead of.. just waiting a year? Despite the fact that just waiting a year got him exactly where he needed to be?

Your passion for pathologizing normal variations in development is truly terrifying.

If your child had social and emotional delays, yes, you should have gotten them help. Maybe you are why they were so delayed.

That’s right, sunshine, he had some kind of delay that was completely remediated by… waiting 12 months.

If waiting 12 months solves the problem without further intervention, I’m completely baffled why you think subjecting a child to extensive testing and therapy is somehow a better solution. Other than, of course, the violation of your invented natural law dictating a 12 month span in the classroom. As if multi-age classrooms haven’t been the practice for the greater part of human history…

It was not waiting 12 month. You put him with younger peers so he’s never had the chance to catch up. You failed him by ignoring it and holding him back. So, what looks to you as maturity is immaturity as he is being compared to with kids a year younger.

Do you even have kids? Young kids mature a TON in 12 months. Even 6 months makes a big difference.

But, they aren't maturing like you are saying. Because, what you are comparing them to are kids a full year younger, not kids their own age or kids older. Yes, 6-12 months makes a big difference but kids will learn more from older kids as the example. If your 5 year old is with 4 year olds, they will seem more mature but they are being held to a 4 year old standard as a 5 year old. So, therefore, they are less mature than the 4 year old if they behave the same way and they are 5.

Thousands of kids who have been redshirted and are now successful adults prove you wrong. If this didn't work, nobody would do it. Unfortunately for you, these kids are doing well and turn out just fine. Find a new hobby.

You are deflecting and entirely missing the point. Some will be fine, some will struggle. However, these kids should be provided with supports given their special needs.

DP. That vast majority don’t have special needs so…

And let's be honest. Most supports are a joke and don't work anyway, if you can even get the school to provide them. If more time makes a huge difference, it's a no brainer.

Even if there is no concern about maturity more time in preschool can be a gift.

Agreed. Sometimes a delay is just a delay, with time kids catch up and no additional help or support is needed. Because kids don't all mature and develop at exactly the same rate. It's shocking people refuse to acknowledge basic facts.

And, did you have a professional decide that or you just held back for your own benefit? I cannot imagine a professional recommending holding back without other supports in place. Your kids aren't more mature when you hold them back. They still have delays. But, you are changing their peer group to a younger group so they appear older and smarter than those kids to you but its artificial given your kids are not with their true peers.

What do you consider a professional? Do the preschool teacher, future kindergarten teacher, and pediatrician count? Because that's what they recommended. I take their input over yours any day.

I would consider someone a psychologist or developmental ped. A preschool teacher or K. teacher is not qualified or trained in that area. Nor are a lot of ped.'s A preschool teacher at best has a generic 4 year degree in anything.

If they are recommending holding back without services and support they are way out of their league. They should recommend an evaluation.

You're so full of it. You don't get a say and your opinion is worthless.

A preschool teacher does not have the qualifications nor does a K. teacher. You are using them as a scapegoat. Nor does a 10 minute ped. appointment. If your child has to be held back, they have a delay, disorder or SN and need help. What are your qualifications to hold back a child and not understand that?

Again, what are your qualifications?

Far more than a teacher for sure. Again, how is a preschool or K teacher qualified? They aren't social workers, psychologists, or developmental peds who take training in it.

You’re a loon with no qualifications. Nobody cares what you think.

Is this the best you can do in the conversation? You didn't have your child evaluated and yet they have delays and SN. You listened to a preschool teacher and a private school who put their needs before your child's. If your child had concerns, you should have gotten them checked out.

You may think your arguments are compelling, but they aren't. All the proof I need is how well my child is doing now. You're just a sad sack internet troll. You should get yourself checked out.

Your kid is not age appropriate.

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Anonymous wrote:Depending on the school, you won’t have much of a choice. Many of them redshirt kids back to may for K entry.

So how is this decided? My June boy was not redshirted by the school, but my friend's son was. They are 1 year apart and in the same class. Watching the class engage, I feel like my son is too young for K. He's that one kid who doesn't sit still, doesn't listen the first time, is constantly disturbing other children, making poor choices, etc. Hopefully behaviors really do level out as they age.

He’s a year younger. These are not his true peers. Maybe his last preschool did not prepare him, especially if it was play based.

His entire class isn't one year older. I just know of this one child in particular because I know his mother outside of school. His last wasn't play- based, but it doesn't seem like he was prepared at all which is why I'm so curious how it's decided whether to redshirt or not. For the record, I know my friend had zero plans to redshirt until the school pretty much said you can redshirt or be rejected, choice is yours.

I'd rather be rejected as it's not the right school fit to hold back a child based on its easier for the school vs. putting the time into the child to help them be successful.

Spending an extra year raising them is literally putting in the time.

That's not really how it works. And, if you put the time in early on you probably would not have needed to hold them back. At 18, senior year, anyone who has checked out, isn't going to put effort in when kids are 18/senior year. Be real.

Be real? What? My 18 year old senior crushed it. In academics, sports, socially, everything. Happy kid has had a great freshman year at Princeton so far as well.

And, be real. If you sent him on time, he probably would have crushed it too. But, you choose to infantile him by holding him back. He would have been crushing it as a sophomore where he should be.

You are a fool. You know nothing of my kid, let alone where he stood 13 years ago, family genetics with respect to maturing, etc, etc, etc ad infinitum. You just blather generalities. You have no idea where he should be and you have no idea, really about anything. Typical seldom right but never in doubter.

Right.. anything to justify the situation. Maturing... you didn't even give your kid the chance. I hope you had him in therapy if he was that immature. He needed support not held back.

Oh my God. Are you the same freak show who in a previous thread told me that since my late summer kid was socially and emotionally not ready for kindergarten, I should have put him through a full neuropsych evaluation and gotten him therapy, instead of.. just waiting a year? Despite the fact that just waiting a year got him exactly where he needed to be?

Your passion for pathologizing normal variations in development is truly terrifying.

If your child had social and emotional delays, yes, you should have gotten them help. Maybe you are why they were so delayed.

That’s right, sunshine, he had some kind of delay that was completely remediated by… waiting 12 months.

If waiting 12 months solves the problem without further intervention, I’m completely baffled why you think subjecting a child to extensive testing and therapy is somehow a better solution. Other than, of course, the violation of your invented natural law dictating a 12 month span in the classroom. As if multi-age classrooms haven’t been the practice for the greater part of human history…

It was not waiting 12 month. You put him with younger peers so he’s never had the chance to catch up. You failed him by ignoring it and holding him back. So, what looks to you as maturity is immaturity as he is being compared to with kids a year younger.

Do you even have kids? Young kids mature a TON in 12 months. Even 6 months makes a big difference.

But, they aren't maturing like you are saying. Because, what you are comparing them to are kids a full year younger, not kids their own age or kids older. Yes, 6-12 months makes a big difference but kids will learn more from older kids as the example. If your 5 year old is with 4 year olds, they will seem more mature but they are being held to a 4 year old standard as a 5 year old. So, therefore, they are less mature than the 4 year old if they behave the same way and they are 5.

Thousands of kids who have been redshirted and are now successful adults prove you wrong. If this didn't work, nobody would do it. Unfortunately for you, these kids are doing well and turn out just fine. Find a new hobby.

You are deflecting and entirely missing the point. Some will be fine, some will struggle. However, these kids should be provided with supports given their special needs.

DP. That vast majority don’t have special needs so…

And let's be honest. Most supports are a joke and don't work anyway, if you can even get the school to provide them. If more time makes a huge difference, it's a no brainer.

Even if there is no concern about maturity more time in preschool can be a gift.

Agreed. Sometimes a delay is just a delay, with time kids catch up and no additional help or support is needed. Because kids don't all mature and develop at exactly the same rate. It's shocking people refuse to acknowledge basic facts.

And, did you have a professional decide that or you just held back for your own benefit? I cannot imagine a professional recommending holding back without other supports in place. Your kids aren't more mature when you hold them back. They still have delays. But, you are changing their peer group to a younger group so they appear older and smarter than those kids to you but its artificial given your kids are not with their true peers.

What do you consider a professional? Do the preschool teacher, future kindergarten teacher, and pediatrician count? Because that's what they recommended. I take their input over yours any day.

I would consider someone a psychologist or developmental ped. A preschool teacher or K. teacher is not qualified or trained in that area. Nor are a lot of ped.'s A preschool teacher at best has a generic 4 year degree in anything.

If they are recommending holding back without services and support they are way out of their league. They should recommend an evaluation.

You're so full of it. You don't get a say and your opinion is worthless.

A preschool teacher does not have the qualifications nor does a K. teacher. You are using them as a scapegoat. Nor does a 10 minute ped. appointment. If your child has to be held back, they have a delay, disorder or SN and need help. What are your qualifications to hold back a child and not understand that?

Again, what are your qualifications?

Far more than a teacher for sure. Again, how is a preschool or K teacher qualified? They aren't social workers, psychologists, or developmental peds who take training in it.

You’re a loon with no qualifications. Nobody cares what you think.

Is this the best you can do in the conversation? You didn't have your child evaluated and yet they have delays and SN. You listened to a preschool teacher and a private school who put their needs before your child's. If your child had concerns, you should have gotten them checked out.

You may think your arguments are compelling, but they aren't. All the proof I need is how well my child is doing now. You're just a sad sack internet troll. You should get yourself checked out.

Your kid is not age appropriate.

Oh well. He’s not even the oldest. Shows how well informed you are. You are out of your depth. Keep trying!

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Anonymous wrote:Depending on the school, you won’t have much of a choice. Many of them redshirt kids back to may for K entry.

So how is this decided? My June boy was not redshirted by the school, but my friend's son was. They are 1 year apart and in the same class. Watching the class engage, I feel like my son is too young for K. He's that one kid who doesn't sit still, doesn't listen the first time, is constantly disturbing other children, making poor choices, etc. Hopefully behaviors really do level out as they age.

He’s a year younger. These are not his true peers. Maybe his last preschool did not prepare him, especially if it was play based.

His entire class isn't one year older. I just know of this one child in particular because I know his mother outside of school. His last wasn't play- based, but it doesn't seem like he was prepared at all which is why I'm so curious how it's decided whether to redshirt or not. For the record, I know my friend had zero plans to redshirt until the school pretty much said you can redshirt or be rejected, choice is yours.

I'd rather be rejected as it's not the right school fit to hold back a child based on its easier for the school vs. putting the time into the child to help them be successful.

Spending an extra year raising them is literally putting in the time.

That's not really how it works. And, if you put the time in early on you probably would not have needed to hold them back. At 18, senior year, anyone who has checked out, isn't going to put effort in when kids are 18/senior year. Be real.

Be real? What? My 18 year old senior crushed it. In academics, sports, socially, everything. Happy kid has had a great freshman year at Princeton so far as well.

And, be real. If you sent him on time, he probably would have crushed it too. But, you choose to infantile him by holding him back. He would have been crushing it as a sophomore where he should be.

You are a fool. You know nothing of my kid, let alone where he stood 13 years ago, family genetics with respect to maturing, etc, etc, etc ad infinitum. You just blather generalities. You have no idea where he should be and you have no idea, really about anything. Typical seldom right but never in doubter.

Right.. anything to justify the situation. Maturing... you didn't even give your kid the chance. I hope you had him in therapy if he was that immature. He needed support not held back.

Oh my God. Are you the same freak show who in a previous thread told me that since my late summer kid was socially and emotionally not ready for kindergarten, I should have put him through a full neuropsych evaluation and gotten him therapy, instead of.. just waiting a year? Despite the fact that just waiting a year got him exactly where he needed to be?

Your passion for pathologizing normal variations in development is truly terrifying.

If your child had social and emotional delays, yes, you should have gotten them help. Maybe you are why they were so delayed.

That’s right, sunshine, he had some kind of delay that was completely remediated by… waiting 12 months.

If waiting 12 months solves the problem without further intervention, I’m completely baffled why you think subjecting a child to extensive testing and therapy is somehow a better solution. Other than, of course, the violation of your invented natural law dictating a 12 month span in the classroom. As if multi-age classrooms haven’t been the practice for the greater part of human history…

It was not waiting 12 month. You put him with younger peers so he’s never had the chance to catch up. You failed him by ignoring it and holding him back. So, what looks to you as maturity is immaturity as he is being compared to with kids a year younger.

Do you even have kids? Young kids mature a TON in 12 months. Even 6 months makes a big difference.

Right, which is why it's understandable that someone whose spring/summer birthday child is on track and doesn't need to be held back from kindergarten might have pause when people with April/May/whatever birthdays redshirt their kids

Why? Just worry about your own kids.

That's the crux of why redshirting is irritating. The snowplowers say, "It's the right thing for Larlo." But it affects the other kids too. So people care.

Are you unable to comprehend basic concepts? Do not go to private schools that redshirt in admissions if you disagree with their admissions policies. Or stop whining about the admissions policies of schools you pay for your children to attend.

The entitlement of anti-redshirters is off the charts. It’s just ridiculous.

The entitlement of those that hold their kids back is off the charts. Even sadder that they cannot be bothered investing the time and money in helping their kids catch up and their solution is to take away a year of their life by aging them down.

DS was redshirted by the admissions committee upon acceptance. Wishing yours good luck!

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Anonymous wrote:We’re red shirting. I sent my dd on time but not ds. So many reasons. I think kindergarten is age inappropriate for 5 year olds. Too much sitting and next to no play. The light went out of my daughter at school. My ds can’t sit still and I know he’d just get yelled at nonstop. Instead he can have another wonderful year of playing at prek. I know he’ll have better focus, attention and listening skills in a year.

Kindergarten needs to be changed in my opinion. It’s not the fun year I remember as a kid.

K is the start of school. It’s where kids learn those skills but your child needs a ifferent school environment if they did not prepare them properly. No schoo has k constantly sitting but they are there to learn.

No, don’t force your kids to enter an age-inappropriate environment.

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Anonymous wrote:Depending on the school, you won’t have much of a choice. Many of them redshirt kids back to may for K entry.

So how is this decided? My June boy was not redshirted by the school, but my friend's son was. They are 1 year apart and in the same class. Watching the class engage, I feel like my son is too young for K. He's that one kid who doesn't sit still, doesn't listen the first time, is constantly disturbing other children, making poor choices, etc. Hopefully behaviors really do level out as they age.

He’s a year younger. These are not his true peers. Maybe his last preschool did not prepare him, especially if it was play based.

His entire class isn't one year older. I just know of this one child in particular because I know his mother outside of school. His last wasn't play- based, but it doesn't seem like he was prepared at all which is why I'm so curious how it's decided whether to redshirt or not. For the record, I know my friend had zero plans to redshirt until the school pretty much said you can redshirt or be rejected, choice is yours.

I'd rather be rejected as it's not the right school fit to hold back a child based on its easier for the school vs. putting the time into the child to help them be successful.

Spending an extra year raising them is literally putting in the time.

That's not really how it works. And, if you put the time in early on you probably would not have needed to hold them back. At 18, senior year, anyone who has checked out, isn't going to put effort in when kids are 18/senior year. Be real.

Be real? What? My 18 year old senior crushed it. In academics, sports, socially, everything. Happy kid has had a great freshman year at Princeton so far as well.

And, be real. If you sent him on time, he probably would have crushed it too. But, you choose to infantile him by holding him back. He would have been crushing it as a sophomore where he should be.

You are a fool. You know nothing of my kid, let alone where he stood 13 years ago, family genetics with respect to maturing, etc, etc, etc ad infinitum. You just blather generalities. You have no idea where he should be and you have no idea, really about anything. Typical seldom right but never in doubter.

Right.. anything to justify the situation. Maturing... you didn't even give your kid the chance. I hope you had him in therapy if he was that immature. He needed support not held back.

Oh my God. Are you the same freak show who in a previous thread told me that since my late summer kid was socially and emotionally not ready for kindergarten, I should have put him through a full neuropsych evaluation and gotten him therapy, instead of.. just waiting a year? Despite the fact that just waiting a year got him exactly where he needed to be?

Your passion for pathologizing normal variations in development is truly terrifying.

If your child had social and emotional delays, yes, you should have gotten them help. Maybe you are why they were so delayed.

That’s right, sunshine, he had some kind of delay that was completely remediated by… waiting 12 months.

If waiting 12 months solves the problem without further intervention, I’m completely baffled why you think subjecting a child to extensive testing and therapy is somehow a better solution. Other than, of course, the violation of your invented natural law dictating a 12 month span in the classroom. As if multi-age classrooms haven’t been the practice for the greater part of human history…

It was not waiting 12 month. You put him with younger peers so he’s never had the chance to catch up. You failed him by ignoring it and holding him back. So, what looks to you as maturity is immaturity as he is being compared to with kids a year younger.

Do you even have kids? Young kids mature a TON in 12 months. Even 6 months makes a big difference.

But, they aren't maturing like you are saying. Because, what you are comparing them to are kids a full year younger, not kids their own age or kids older. Yes, 6-12 months makes a big difference but kids will learn more from older kids as the example. If your 5 year old is with 4 year olds, they will seem more mature but they are being held to a 4 year old standard as a 5 year old. So, therefore, they are less mature than the 4 year old if they behave the same way and they are 5.

Thousands of kids who have been redshirted and are now successful adults prove you wrong. If this didn't work, nobody would do it. Unfortunately for you, these kids are doing well and turn out just fine. Find a new hobby.

You are deflecting and entirely missing the point. Some will be fine, some will struggle. However, these kids should be provided with supports given their special needs.

DP. That vast majority don’t have special needs so…

And let's be honest. Most supports are a joke and don't work anyway, if you can even get the school to provide them. If more time makes a huge difference, it's a no brainer.

Even if there is no concern about maturity more time in preschool can be a gift.

Agreed. Sometimes a delay is just a delay, with time kids catch up and no additional help or support is needed. Because kids don't all mature and develop at exactly the same rate. It's shocking people refuse to acknowledge basic facts.

And, did you have a professional decide that or you just held back for your own benefit? I cannot imagine a professional recommending holding back without other supports in place. Your kids aren't more mature when you hold them back. They still have delays. But, you are changing their peer group to a younger group so they appear older and smarter than those kids to you but its artificial given your kids are not with their true peers.

What do you consider a professional? Do the preschool teacher, future kindergarten teacher, and pediatrician count? Because that's what they recommended. I take their input over yours any day.

I would consider someone a psychologist or developmental ped. A preschool teacher or K. teacher is not qualified or trained in that area. Nor are a lot of ped.'s A preschool teacher at best has a generic 4 year degree in anything.

If they are recommending holding back without services and support they are way out of their league. They should recommend an evaluation.

You're so full of it. You don't get a say and your opinion is worthless.

A preschool teacher does not have the qualifications nor does a K. teacher. You are using them as a scapegoat. Nor does a 10 minute ped. appointment. If your child has to be held back, they have a delay, disorder or SN and need help. What are your qualifications to hold back a child and not understand that?

Again, what are your qualifications?

Far more than a teacher for sure. Again, how is a preschool or K teacher qualified? They aren't social workers, psychologists, or developmental peds who take training in it.

You’re a loon with no qualifications. Nobody cares what you think.

Is this the best you can do in the conversation? You didn't have your child evaluated and yet they have delays and SN. You listened to a preschool teacher and a private school who put their needs before your child's. If your child had concerns, you should have gotten them checked out.

You may think your arguments are compelling, but they aren't. All the proof I need is how well my child is doing now. You're just a sad sack internet troll. You should get yourself checked out.

Your kid is not age appropriate.

And yet, somehow, has managed to live a a happy and successful life. So weird!