TJ Discrimination Case

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that the URM lady who works as an admin assistant at my wife's company with an IQ of like 90 now has a daughter at TJ so we know the new system is doing too well lol

There are some many things wrong with this post I can't even...

It helps them feel less bitter by talking made-up trash who cares. I know it's frustrating for a lot of parents since the new system is harder to game, and they need to vent somewhere.

Actually, the new system is easier to game.

Well, you used to be able to buy the test answers so it was easier for people with money.

Where did you buy your answers?

The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test. This allowed them to compile question banks. Many of these questions would show up in subsequent years. It wasn't really a big secret. Everyone knew it was going on. How do you think one prep center got 30% of those admitted in one year? Do you think it was talent? LOLOL

Everyone knows this was going on. It's why the county had to change the selection criteria. I'm not sure why these posters want to keep it secret even now since the cats out of the bag.

The cheating was so out of control that they had to scrap the whole selection process and come up with what we have now.

Amazing that they had evidence of out of control cheating, but didn't use that in the lawsuit to justify their admissions changes. Seems like it would be a slam dunk win to show that the changes needed to happen due to rampant cheating.

+1 Cheating would have been a good defense to raise if it really happened.

No, FCPS neither wanted to, nor could prove it. It would be attacking students, when they found a better solution by changing the admissions process.

If they couldn't prove it, that means there's no actual evidence. Thanks for admitting that the "cheating scandal" is just hearsay and a conspiracy theory.

Exactly. People went from some kids saying they saw the questions, to Curie was buying the test, or was debriefing the students about what questions were on it to make a question bank for next year.
Maybe it's true, or maybe they got their hand on some sample questions. but it's just guessing.

It is FALSE that Curie bought the test or that their students had access to all of the exam questions prior to sitting for the exam.

It is TRUE that Curie students reported that, when they sat for the Quant-Q, they realized they’d seen SOME of the exact questions before and had been shown how to solve essentially all of them, step by step, at Curie.

How do you know these are FALSE or TRUE? Did the Curie students report they saw SOME or ALL?

I'd heard that the this was true. Not sure about the first statement though I have no idea where they got answers.

That was my point. It is known some students said they saw the answers at Curie. I think it was all the answers that they said, but people including me surmised that they were probably shown material similar to some of the questions. It is possible Curie has an in with the testing company and had all the answers beforehand. It is possible they were asking students about the questions and built up a test bank over the years, and the testing company was reusing questions. This guesswork as to what Curie did has evolved over two years into 'FACT' that Curie was debriefing students after the test, in violation of the agreement the students signed. More recently it became a FACT that Curie was telling kids to check the free meals box on the application. I don't think there is anyone who said they heard this at Curie. They then went on and said it was a FACT that Curie was advising them to fill out forms at their school when TJ started asking for verification of the free meals.

This is the part that is incontrovertibly true - although we don't know whether Curie ASKED for the materials or if they were simply provided. The rest of it I don't buy.

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Anonymous wrote:exactly what Curie did, through students violating their pledge not to share test materials and supplying Curie with examples to use in their $5,000 signature TJ prep course.

You don't know that this is exactly what Curie did.

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that the URM lady who works as an admin assistant at my wife's company with an IQ of like 90 now has a daughter at TJ so we know the new system is doing too well lol

There are some many things wrong with this post I can't even...

It helps them feel less bitter by talking made-up trash who cares. I know it's frustrating for a lot of parents since the new system is harder to game, and they need to vent somewhere.

Actually, the new system is easier to game.

Well, you used to be able to buy the test answers so it was easier for people with money.

Where did you buy your answers?

The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test. This allowed them to compile question banks. Many of these questions would show up in subsequent years. It wasn't really a big secret. Everyone knew it was going on. How do you think one prep center got 30% of those admitted in one year? Do you think it was talent? LOLOL

Everyone knows this was going on. It's why the county had to change the selection criteria. I'm not sure why these posters want to keep it secret even now since the cats out of the bag.

The cheating was so out of control that they had to scrap the whole selection process and come up with what we have now.

Amazing that they had evidence of out of control cheating, but didn't use that in the lawsuit to justify their admissions changes. Seems like it would be a slam dunk win to show that the changes needed to happen due to rampant cheating.

+1 Cheating would have been a good defense to raise if it really happened.

No, FCPS neither wanted to, nor could prove it. It would be attacking students, when they found a better solution by changing the admissions process.

If they couldn't prove it, that means there's no actual evidence. Thanks for admitting that the "cheating scandal" is just hearsay and a conspiracy theory.

Exactly. People went from some kids saying they saw the questions, to Curie was buying the test, or was debriefing the students about what questions were on it to make a question bank for next year.
Maybe it's true, or maybe they got their hand on some sample questions. but it's just guessing.

It is FALSE that Curie bought the test or that their students had access to all of the exam questions prior to sitting for the exam.

It is TRUE that Curie students reported that, when they sat for the Quant-Q, they realized they’d seen SOME of the exact questions before and had been shown how to solve essentially all of them, step by step, at Curie.

How do you know these are FALSE or TRUE? Did the Curie students report they saw SOME or ALL?

I'd heard that the this was true. Not sure about the first statement though I have no idea where they got answers.

That was my point. It is known some students said they saw the answers at Curie. I think it was all the answers that they said, but people including me surmised that they were probably shown material similar to some of the questions. It is possible Curie has an in with the testing company and had all the answers beforehand. It is possible they were asking students about the questions and built up a test bank over the years, and the testing company was reusing questions. This guesswork as to what Curie did has evolved over two years into 'FACT' that Curie was debriefing students after the test, in violation of the agreement the students signed. More recently it became a FACT that Curie was telling kids to check the free meals box on the application. I don't think there is anyone who said they heard this at Curie. They then went on and said it was a FACT that Curie was advising them to fill out forms at their school when TJ started asking for verification of the free meals.

This is the part that is incontrovertibly true - although we don't know whether Curie ASKED for the materials or if they were simply provided. The rest of it I don't buy.

How do you know it's true? It could be Curie just has another source entirely.

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that the URM lady who works as an admin assistant at my wife's company with an IQ of like 90 now has a daughter at TJ so we know the new system is doing too well lol

There are some many things wrong with this post I can't even...

It helps them feel less bitter by talking made-up trash who cares. I know it's frustrating for a lot of parents since the new system is harder to game, and they need to vent somewhere.

Actually, the new system is easier to game.

Well, you used to be able to buy the test answers so it was easier for people with money.

Where did you buy your answers?

The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test. This allowed them to compile question banks. Many of these questions would show up in subsequent years. It wasn't really a big secret. Everyone knew it was going on. How do you think one prep center got 30% of those admitted in one year? Do you think it was talent? LOLOL

Everyone knows this was going on. It's why the county had to change the selection criteria. I'm not sure why these posters want to keep it secret even now since the cats out of the bag.

The cheating was so out of control that they had to scrap the whole selection process and come up with what we have now.

Amazing that they had evidence of out of control cheating, but didn't use that in the lawsuit to justify their admissions changes. Seems like it would be a slam dunk win to show that the changes needed to happen due to rampant cheating.

+1 Cheating would have been a good defense to raise if it really happened.

No, FCPS neither wanted to, nor could prove it. It would be attacking students, when they found a better solution by changing the admissions process.

If they couldn't prove it, that means there's no actual evidence. Thanks for admitting that the "cheating scandal" is just hearsay and a conspiracy theory.

Exactly. People went from some kids saying they saw the questions, to Curie was buying the test, or was debriefing the students about what questions were on it to make a question bank for next year.
Maybe it's true, or maybe they got their hand on some sample questions. but it's just guessing.

It is FALSE that Curie bought the test or that their students had access to all of the exam questions prior to sitting for the exam.

It is TRUE that Curie students reported that, when they sat for the Quant-Q, they realized they’d seen SOME of the exact questions before and had been shown how to solve essentially all of them, step by step, at Curie.

How do you know these are FALSE or TRUE? Did the Curie students report they saw SOME or ALL?

I'd heard that the this was true. Not sure about the first statement though I have no idea where they got answers.

That was my point. It is known some students said they saw the answers at Curie. I think it was all the answers that they said, but people including me surmised that they were probably shown material similar to some of the questions. It is possible Curie has an in with the testing company and had all the answers beforehand. It is possible they were asking students about the questions and built up a test bank over the years, and the testing company was reusing questions. This guesswork as to what Curie did has evolved over two years into 'FACT' that Curie was debriefing students after the test, in violation of the agreement the students signed. More recently it became a FACT that Curie was telling kids to check the free meals box on the application. I don't think there is anyone who said they heard this at Curie. They then went on and said it was a FACT that Curie was advising them to fill out forms at their school when TJ started asking for verification of the free meals.

This is the part that is incontrovertibly true - although we don't know whether Curie ASKED for the materials or if they were simply provided. The rest of it I don't buy.

Yep!

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that the URM lady who works as an admin assistant at my wife's company with an IQ of like 90 now has a daughter at TJ so we know the new system is doing too well lol

There are some many things wrong with this post I can't even...

It helps them feel less bitter by talking made-up trash who cares. I know it's frustrating for a lot of parents since the new system is harder to game, and they need to vent somewhere.

Actually, the new system is easier to game.

Well, you used to be able to buy the test answers so it was easier for people with money.

Where did you buy your answers?

The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test. This allowed them to compile question banks. Many of these questions would show up in subsequent years. It wasn't really a big secret. Everyone knew it was going on. How do you think one prep center got 30% of those admitted in one year? Do you think it was talent? LOLOL

Everyone knows this was going on. It's why the county had to change the selection criteria. I'm not sure why these posters want to keep it secret even now since the cats out of the bag.

The cheating was so out of control that they had to scrap the whole selection process and come up with what we have now.

Amazing that they had evidence of out of control cheating, but didn't use that in the lawsuit to justify their admissions changes. Seems like it would be a slam dunk win to show that the changes needed to happen due to rampant cheating.

+1 Cheating would have been a good defense to raise if it really happened.

No, FCPS neither wanted to, nor could prove it. It would be attacking students, when they found a better solution by changing the admissions process.

If they couldn't prove it, that means there's no actual evidence. Thanks for admitting that the "cheating scandal" is just hearsay and a conspiracy theory.

Exactly. People went from some kids saying they saw the questions, to Curie was buying the test, or was debriefing the students about what questions were on it to make a question bank for next year.
Maybe it's true, or maybe they got their hand on some sample questions. but it's just guessing.

It is FALSE that Curie bought the test or that their students had access to all of the exam questions prior to sitting for the exam.

It is TRUE that Curie students reported that, when they sat for the Quant-Q, they realized they’d seen SOME of the exact questions before and had been shown how to solve essentially all of them, step by step, at Curie.

How do you know these are FALSE or TRUE? Did the Curie students report they saw SOME or ALL?

I'd heard that the this was true. Not sure about the first statement though I have no idea where they got answers.

That was my point. It is known some students said they saw the answers at Curie. I think it was all the answers that they said, but people including me surmised that they were probably shown material similar to some of the questions. It is possible Curie has an in with the testing company and had all the answers beforehand. It is possible they were asking students about the questions and built up a test bank over the years, and the testing company was reusing questions. This guesswork as to what Curie did has evolved over two years into 'FACT' that Curie was debriefing students after the test, in violation of the agreement the students signed. More recently it became a FACT that Curie was telling kids to check the free meals box on the application. I don't think there is anyone who said they heard this at Curie. They then went on and said it was a FACT that Curie was advising them to fill out forms at their school when TJ started asking for verification of the free meals.

This is the part that is incontrovertibly true - although we don't know whether Curie ASKED for the materials or if they were simply provided. The rest of it I don't buy.

Makes them smart!

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that the URM lady who works as an admin assistant at my wife's company with an IQ of like 90 now has a daughter at TJ so we know the new system is doing too well lol

There are some many things wrong with this post I can't even...

It helps them feel less bitter by talking made-up trash who cares. I know it's frustrating for a lot of parents since the new system is harder to game, and they need to vent somewhere.

Actually, the new system is easier to game.

Well, you used to be able to buy the test answers so it was easier for people with money.

Where did you buy your answers?

The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test. This allowed them to compile question banks. Many of these questions would show up in subsequent years. It wasn't really a big secret. Everyone knew it was going on. How do you think one prep center got 30% of those admitted in one year? Do you think it was talent? LOLOL

Everyone knows this was going on. It's why the county had to change the selection criteria. I'm not sure why these posters want to keep it secret even now since the cats out of the bag.

The cheating was so out of control that they had to scrap the whole selection process and come up with what we have now.

Amazing that they had evidence of out of control cheating, but didn't use that in the lawsuit to justify their admissions changes. Seems like it would be a slam dunk win to show that the changes needed to happen due to rampant cheating.

+1 Cheating would have been a good defense to raise if it really happened.

No, FCPS neither wanted to, nor could prove it. It would be attacking students, when they found a better solution by changing the admissions process.

If they couldn't prove it, that means there's no actual evidence. Thanks for admitting that the "cheating scandal" is just hearsay and a conspiracy theory.

Exactly. People went from some kids saying they saw the questions, to Curie was buying the test, or was debriefing the students about what questions were on it to make a question bank for next year.
Maybe it's true, or maybe they got their hand on some sample questions. but it's just guessing.

It is FALSE that Curie bought the test or that their students had access to all of the exam questions prior to sitting for the exam.

It is TRUE that Curie students reported that, when they sat for the Quant-Q, they realized they’d seen SOME of the exact questions before and had been shown how to solve essentially all of them, step by step, at Curie.

How do you know these are FALSE or TRUE? Did the Curie students report they saw SOME or ALL?

I'd heard that the this was true. Not sure about the first statement though I have no idea where they got answers.

That was my point. It is known some students said they saw the answers at Curie. I think it was all the answers that they said, but people including me surmised that they were probably shown material similar to some of the questions. It is possible Curie has an in with the testing company and had all the answers beforehand. It is possible they were asking students about the questions and built up a test bank over the years, and the testing company was reusing questions. This guesswork as to what Curie did has evolved over two years into 'FACT' that Curie was debriefing students after the test, in violation of the agreement the students signed. More recently it became a FACT that Curie was telling kids to check the free meals box on the application. I don't think there is anyone who said they heard this at Curie. They then went on and said it was a FACT that Curie was advising them to fill out forms at their school when TJ started asking for verification of the free meals.

This is the part that is incontrovertibly true - although we don't know whether Curie ASKED for the materials or if they were simply provided. The rest of it I don't buy.

Makes them smart!

Smart in the way Trump is for not paying taxes?

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Anonymous wrote:exactly what Curie did, through students violating their pledge not to share test materials and supplying Curie with examples to use in their $5,000 signature TJ prep course.

You don't know that this is exactly what Curie did.

It sure sounds like people who paid them saw (purchased) the test questions.

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that the URM lady who works as an admin assistant at my wife's company with an IQ of like 90 now has a daughter at TJ so we know the new system is doing too well lol

There are some many things wrong with this post I can't even...

It helps them feel less bitter by talking made-up trash who cares. I know it's frustrating for a lot of parents since the new system is harder to game, and they need to vent somewhere.

Actually, the new system is easier to game.

Well, you used to be able to buy the test answers so it was easier for people with money.

Where did you buy your answers?

The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test. This allowed them to compile question banks. Many of these questions would show up in subsequent years. It wasn't really a big secret. Everyone knew it was going on. How do you think one prep center got 30% of those admitted in one year? Do you think it was talent? LOLOL

Everyone knows this was going on. It's why the county had to change the selection criteria. I'm not sure why these posters want to keep it secret even now since the cats out of the bag.

The cheating was so out of control that they had to scrap the whole selection process and come up with what we have now.

Amazing that they had evidence of out of control cheating, but didn't use that in the lawsuit to justify their admissions changes. Seems like it would be a slam dunk win to show that the changes needed to happen due to rampant cheating.

+1 Cheating would have been a good defense to raise if it really happened.

No, FCPS neither wanted to, nor could prove it. It would be attacking students, when they found a better solution by changing the admissions process.

If they couldn't prove it, that means there's no actual evidence. Thanks for admitting that the "cheating scandal" is just hearsay and a conspiracy theory.

Exactly. People went from some kids saying they saw the questions, to Curie was buying the test, or was debriefing the students about what questions were on it to make a question bank for next year.
Maybe it's true, or maybe they got their hand on some sample questions. but it's just guessing.

It is FALSE that Curie bought the test or that their students had access to all of the exam questions prior to sitting for the exam.

It is TRUE that Curie students reported that, when they sat for the Quant-Q, they realized they’d seen SOME of the exact questions before and had been shown how to solve essentially all of them, step by step, at Curie.

How do you know these are FALSE or TRUE? Did the Curie students report they saw SOME or ALL?

I'd heard that the this was true. Not sure about the first statement though I have no idea where they got answers.

That was my point. It is known some students said they saw the answers at Curie. I think it was all the answers that they said, but people including me surmised that they were probably shown material similar to some of the questions. It is possible Curie has an in with the testing company and had all the answers beforehand. It is possible they were asking students about the questions and built up a test bank over the years, and the testing company was reusing questions. This guesswork as to what Curie did has evolved over two years into 'FACT' that Curie was debriefing students after the test, in violation of the agreement the students signed. More recently it became a FACT that Curie was telling kids to check the free meals box on the application. I don't think there is anyone who said they heard this at Curie. They then went on and said it was a FACT that Curie was advising them to fill out forms at their school when TJ started asking for verification of the free meals.

This is the part that is incontrovertibly true - although we don't know whether Curie ASKED for the materials or if they were simply provided. The rest of it I don't buy.

How do you know it's true? It could be Curie just has another source entirely.

The only way that Curie was able to have access to the questions was if someone who had seen the exam gave them the questions. The only group of people who would have any reasonable motive to do so are former students, perhaps as a gesture of appreciation, perhaps to help siblings or others within the community ... who knows. But there's no other group that would have a motive to give Curie the questions.

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that the URM lady who works as an admin assistant at my wife's company with an IQ of like 90 now has a daughter at TJ so we know the new system is doing too well lol

There are some many things wrong with this post I can't even...

It helps them feel less bitter by talking made-up trash who cares. I know it's frustrating for a lot of parents since the new system is harder to game, and they need to vent somewhere.

Actually, the new system is easier to game.

Well, you used to be able to buy the test answers so it was easier for people with money.

Where did you buy your answers?

The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test. This allowed them to compile question banks. Many of these questions would show up in subsequent years. It wasn't really a big secret. Everyone knew it was going on. How do you think one prep center got 30% of those admitted in one year? Do you think it was talent? LOLOL

Everyone knows this was going on. It's why the county had to change the selection criteria. I'm not sure why these posters want to keep it secret even now since the cats out of the bag.

The cheating was so out of control that they had to scrap the whole selection process and come up with what we have now.

Amazing that they had evidence of out of control cheating, but didn't use that in the lawsuit to justify their admissions changes. Seems like it would be a slam dunk win to show that the changes needed to happen due to rampant cheating.

+1 Cheating would have been a good defense to raise if it really happened.

No, FCPS neither wanted to, nor could prove it. It would be attacking students, when they found a better solution by changing the admissions process.

If they couldn't prove it, that means there's no actual evidence. Thanks for admitting that the "cheating scandal" is just hearsay and a conspiracy theory.

Exactly. People went from some kids saying they saw the questions, to Curie was buying the test, or was debriefing the students about what questions were on it to make a question bank for next year.
Maybe it's true, or maybe they got their hand on some sample questions. but it's just guessing.

It is FALSE that Curie bought the test or that their students had access to all of the exam questions prior to sitting for the exam.

It is TRUE that Curie students reported that, when they sat for the Quant-Q, they realized they’d seen SOME of the exact questions before and had been shown how to solve essentially all of them, step by step, at Curie.

How do you know these are FALSE or TRUE? Did the Curie students report they saw SOME or ALL?

I'd heard that the this was true. Not sure about the first statement though I have no idea where they got answers.

That was my point. It is known some students said they saw the answers at Curie. I think it was all the answers that they said, but people including me surmised that they were probably shown material similar to some of the questions. It is possible Curie has an in with the testing company and had all the answers beforehand. It is possible they were asking students about the questions and built up a test bank over the years, and the testing company was reusing questions. This guesswork as to what Curie did has evolved over two years into 'FACT' that Curie was debriefing students after the test, in violation of the agreement the students signed. More recently it became a FACT that Curie was telling kids to check the free meals box on the application. I don't think there is anyone who said they heard this at Curie. They then went on and said it was a FACT that Curie was advising them to fill out forms at their school when TJ started asking for verification of the free meals.

This is the part that is incontrovertibly true - although we don't know whether Curie ASKED for the materials or if they were simply provided. The rest of it I don't buy.

Makes them smart!

Makes them unethical. Probably not illegal or criminal, and therefore not worthy of an investigation, but certainly unethical given the amount of money they swindle out of the Indian community every year.

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that the URM lady who works as an admin assistant at my wife's company with an IQ of like 90 now has a daughter at TJ so we know the new system is doing too well lol

There are some many things wrong with this post I can't even...

It helps them feel less bitter by talking made-up trash who cares. I know it's frustrating for a lot of parents since the new system is harder to game, and they need to vent somewhere.

Actually, the new system is easier to game.

Well, you used to be able to buy the test answers so it was easier for people with money.

Where did you buy your answers?

The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test. This allowed them to compile question banks. Many of these questions would show up in subsequent years. It wasn't really a big secret. Everyone knew it was going on. How do you think one prep center got 30% of those admitted in one year? Do you think it was talent? LOLOL

Everyone knows this was going on. It's why the county had to change the selection criteria. I'm not sure why these posters want to keep it secret even now since the cats out of the bag.

The cheating was so out of control that they had to scrap the whole selection process and come up with what we have now.

Amazing that they had evidence of out of control cheating, but didn't use that in the lawsuit to justify their admissions changes. Seems like it would be a slam dunk win to show that the changes needed to happen due to rampant cheating.

+1 Cheating would have been a good defense to raise if it really happened.

No, FCPS neither wanted to, nor could prove it. It would be attacking students, when they found a better solution by changing the admissions process.

If they couldn't prove it, that means there's no actual evidence. Thanks for admitting that the "cheating scandal" is just hearsay and a conspiracy theory.

Exactly. People went from some kids saying they saw the questions, to Curie was buying the test, or was debriefing the students about what questions were on it to make a question bank for next year.
Maybe it's true, or maybe they got their hand on some sample questions. but it's just guessing.

It is FALSE that Curie bought the test or that their students had access to all of the exam questions prior to sitting for the exam.

It is TRUE that Curie students reported that, when they sat for the Quant-Q, they realized they’d seen SOME of the exact questions before and had been shown how to solve essentially all of them, step by step, at Curie.

How do you know these are FALSE or TRUE? Did the Curie students report they saw SOME or ALL?

I'd heard that the this was true. Not sure about the first statement though I have no idea where they got answers.

That was my point. It is known some students said they saw the answers at Curie. I think it was all the answers that they said, but people including me surmised that they were probably shown material similar to some of the questions. It is possible Curie has an in with the testing company and had all the answers beforehand. It is possible they were asking students about the questions and built up a test bank over the years, and the testing company was reusing questions. This guesswork as to what Curie did has evolved over two years into 'FACT' that Curie was debriefing students after the test, in violation of the agreement the students signed. More recently it became a FACT that Curie was telling kids to check the free meals box on the application. I don't think there is anyone who said they heard this at Curie. They then went on and said it was a FACT that Curie was advising them to fill out forms at their school when TJ started asking for verification of the free meals.

This is the part that is incontrovertibly true - although we don't know whether Curie ASKED for the materials or if they were simply provided. The rest of it I don't buy.

Makes them smart!

Makes them unethical. Probably not illegal or criminal, and therefore not worthy of an investigation, but certainly unethical given the amount of money they swindle out of the Indian community every year.

Capitalists engage in legal but unethical acts everyday - 24 hours a day! They sometimes say it is their fiduciary 'duty' to maximize profit and deliver the best possible service/product within the confines of the law. What the big deal?

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that the URM lady who works as an admin assistant at my wife's company with an IQ of like 90 now has a daughter at TJ so we know the new system is doing too well lol

There are some many things wrong with this post I can't even...

It helps them feel less bitter by talking made-up trash who cares. I know it's frustrating for a lot of parents since the new system is harder to game, and they need to vent somewhere.

Actually, the new system is easier to game.

Well, you used to be able to buy the test answers so it was easier for people with money.

Where did you buy your answers?

The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test. This allowed them to compile question banks. Many of these questions would show up in subsequent years. It wasn't really a big secret. Everyone knew it was going on. How do you think one prep center got 30% of those admitted in one year? Do you think it was talent? LOLOL

Everyone knows this was going on. It's why the county had to change the selection criteria. I'm not sure why these posters want to keep it secret even now since the cats out of the bag.

The cheating was so out of control that they had to scrap the whole selection process and come up with what we have now.

Amazing that they had evidence of out of control cheating, but didn't use that in the lawsuit to justify their admissions changes. Seems like it would be a slam dunk win to show that the changes needed to happen due to rampant cheating.

+1 Cheating would have been a good defense to raise if it really happened.

No, FCPS neither wanted to, nor could prove it. It would be attacking students, when they found a better solution by changing the admissions process.

If they couldn't prove it, that means there's no actual evidence. Thanks for admitting that the "cheating scandal" is just hearsay and a conspiracy theory.

Exactly. People went from some kids saying they saw the questions, to Curie was buying the test, or was debriefing the students about what questions were on it to make a question bank for next year.
Maybe it's true, or maybe they got their hand on some sample questions. but it's just guessing.

It is FALSE that Curie bought the test or that their students had access to all of the exam questions prior to sitting for the exam.

It is TRUE that Curie students reported that, when they sat for the Quant-Q, they realized they’d seen SOME of the exact questions before and had been shown how to solve essentially all of them, step by step, at Curie.

How do you know these are FALSE or TRUE? Did the Curie students report they saw SOME or ALL?

I'd heard that the this was true. Not sure about the first statement though I have no idea where they got answers.

That was my point. It is known some students said they saw the answers at Curie. I think it was all the answers that they said, but people including me surmised that they were probably shown material similar to some of the questions. It is possible Curie has an in with the testing company and had all the answers beforehand. It is possible they were asking students about the questions and built up a test bank over the years, and the testing company was reusing questions. This guesswork as to what Curie did has evolved over two years into 'FACT' that Curie was debriefing students after the test, in violation of the agreement the students signed. More recently it became a FACT that Curie was telling kids to check the free meals box on the application. I don't think there is anyone who said they heard this at Curie. They then went on and said it was a FACT that Curie was advising them to fill out forms at their school when TJ started asking for verification of the free meals.

This is the part that is incontrovertibly true - although we don't know whether Curie ASKED for the materials or if they were simply provided. The rest of it I don't buy.

Makes them smart!

Makes them unethical. Probably not illegal or criminal, and therefore not worthy of an investigation, but certainly unethical given the amount of money they swindle out of the Indian community every year.

Capitalists engage in legal but unethical acts everyday - 24 hours a day! They sometimes say it is their fiduciary 'duty' to maximize profit and deliver the best possible service/product within the confines of the law. What the big deal?

The big deal is that they created imbalances in an admissions process that is supposed to be fair to all by delivering materials from a secured exam to constituents from a single ethnic group, and in so doing eliminated others from consideration in exchange for many thousands of dollars.

Financial resources are not supposed to be a de facto separator in the TJ admissions process, but under the old process (which yielded less than 1% FARMS over 30 years) it undeniably was.

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that the URM lady who works as an admin assistant at my wife's company with an IQ of like 90 now has a daughter at TJ so we know the new system is doing too well lol

There are some many things wrong with this post I can't even...

It helps them feel less bitter by talking made-up trash who cares. I know it's frustrating for a lot of parents since the new system is harder to game, and they need to vent somewhere.

Actually, the new system is easier to game.

Well, you used to be able to buy the test answers so it was easier for people with money.

Where did you buy your answers?

The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test. This allowed them to compile question banks. Many of these questions would show up in subsequent years. It wasn't really a big secret. Everyone knew it was going on. How do you think one prep center got 30% of those admitted in one year? Do you think it was talent? LOLOL

Everyone knows this was going on. It's why the county had to change the selection criteria. I'm not sure why these posters want to keep it secret even now since the cats out of the bag.

The cheating was so out of control that they had to scrap the whole selection process and come up with what we have now.

Amazing that they had evidence of out of control cheating, but didn't use that in the lawsuit to justify their admissions changes. Seems like it would be a slam dunk win to show that the changes needed to happen due to rampant cheating.

+1 Cheating would have been a good defense to raise if it really happened.

No, FCPS neither wanted to, nor could prove it. It would be attacking students, when they found a better solution by changing the admissions process.

If they couldn't prove it, that means there's no actual evidence. Thanks for admitting that the "cheating scandal" is just hearsay and a conspiracy theory.

Exactly. People went from some kids saying they saw the questions, to Curie was buying the test, or was debriefing the students about what questions were on it to make a question bank for next year.
Maybe it's true, or maybe they got their hand on some sample questions. but it's just guessing.

It is FALSE that Curie bought the test or that their students had access to all of the exam questions prior to sitting for the exam.

It is TRUE that Curie students reported that, when they sat for the Quant-Q, they realized they’d seen SOME of the exact questions before and had been shown how to solve essentially all of them, step by step, at Curie.

How do you know these are FALSE or TRUE? Did the Curie students report they saw SOME or ALL?

I'd heard that the this was true. Not sure about the first statement though I have no idea where they got answers.

That was my point. It is known some students said they saw the answers at Curie. I think it was all the answers that they said, but people including me surmised that they were probably shown material similar to some of the questions. It is possible Curie has an in with the testing company and had all the answers beforehand. It is possible they were asking students about the questions and built up a test bank over the years, and the testing company was reusing questions. This guesswork as to what Curie did has evolved over two years into 'FACT' that Curie was debriefing students after the test, in violation of the agreement the students signed. More recently it became a FACT that Curie was telling kids to check the free meals box on the application. I don't think there is anyone who said they heard this at Curie. They then went on and said it was a FACT that Curie was advising them to fill out forms at their school when TJ started asking for verification of the free meals.

This is the part that is incontrovertibly true - although we don't know whether Curie ASKED for the materials or if they were simply provided. The rest of it I don't buy.

Makes them smart!

Makes them unethical. Probably not illegal or criminal, and therefore not worthy of an investigation, but certainly unethical given the amount of money they swindle out of the Indian community every year.

Capitalists engage in legal but unethical acts everyday - 24 hours a day! They sometimes say it is their fiduciary 'duty' to maximize profit and deliver the best possible service/product within the confines of the law. What the big deal?

The ethical calculus becomes very different when you're talking about publicly funded educational opportunities for children.

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that the URM lady who works as an admin assistant at my wife's company with an IQ of like 90 now has a daughter at TJ so we know the new system is doing too well lol

There are some many things wrong with this post I can't even...

It helps them feel less bitter by talking made-up trash who cares. I know it's frustrating for a lot of parents since the new system is harder to game, and they need to vent somewhere.

Actually, the new system is easier to game.

Well, you used to be able to buy the test answers so it was easier for people with money.

Where did you buy your answers?

The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test. This allowed them to compile question banks. Many of these questions would show up in subsequent years. It wasn't really a big secret. Everyone knew it was going on. How do you think one prep center got 30% of those admitted in one year? Do you think it was talent? LOLOL

Everyone knows this was going on. It's why the county had to change the selection criteria. I'm not sure why these posters want to keep it secret even now since the cats out of the bag.

The cheating was so out of control that they had to scrap the whole selection process and come up with what we have now.

Amazing that they had evidence of out of control cheating, but didn't use that in the lawsuit to justify their admissions changes. Seems like it would be a slam dunk win to show that the changes needed to happen due to rampant cheating.

+1 Cheating would have been a good defense to raise if it really happened.

No, FCPS neither wanted to, nor could prove it. It would be attacking students, when they found a better solution by changing the admissions process.

If they couldn't prove it, that means there's no actual evidence. Thanks for admitting that the "cheating scandal" is just hearsay and a conspiracy theory.

Exactly. People went from some kids saying they saw the questions, to Curie was buying the test, or was debriefing the students about what questions were on it to make a question bank for next year.
Maybe it's true, or maybe they got their hand on some sample questions. but it's just guessing.

It is FALSE that Curie bought the test or that their students had access to all of the exam questions prior to sitting for the exam.

It is TRUE that Curie students reported that, when they sat for the Quant-Q, they realized they’d seen SOME of the exact questions before and had been shown how to solve essentially all of them, step by step, at Curie.

How do you know these are FALSE or TRUE? Did the Curie students report they saw SOME or ALL?

I'd heard that the this was true. Not sure about the first statement though I have no idea where they got answers.

That was my point. It is known some students said they saw the answers at Curie. I think it was all the answers that they said, but people including me surmised that they were probably shown material similar to some of the questions. It is possible Curie has an in with the testing company and had all the answers beforehand. It is possible they were asking students about the questions and built up a test bank over the years, and the testing company was reusing questions. This guesswork as to what Curie did has evolved over two years into 'FACT' that Curie was debriefing students after the test, in violation of the agreement the students signed. More recently it became a FACT that Curie was telling kids to check the free meals box on the application. I don't think there is anyone who said they heard this at Curie. They then went on and said it was a FACT that Curie was advising them to fill out forms at their school when TJ started asking for verification of the free meals.

This is the part that is incontrovertibly true - although we don't know whether Curie ASKED for the materials or if they were simply provided. The rest of it I don't buy.

Makes them smart!

Makes them unethical. Probably not illegal or criminal, and therefore not worthy of an investigation, but certainly unethical given the amount of money they swindle out of the Indian community every year.

Capitalists engage in legal but unethical acts everyday - 24 hours a day! They sometimes say it is their fiduciary 'duty' to maximize profit and deliver the best possible service/product within the confines of the law. What the big deal?

The big deal is that they created imbalances in an admissions process that is supposed to be fair to all by delivering materials from a secured exam to constituents from a single ethnic group, and in so doing eliminated others from consideration in exchange for many thousands of dollars.

Financial resources are not supposed to be a de facto separator in the TJ admissions process, but under the old process (which yielded less than 1% FARMS over 30 years) it undeniably was.

News flash for you since you have been under a rock apparently - financial resources are almost ALWAYS a factor and there are milloion other more pressing situations with unfair situations.

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that the URM lady who works as an admin assistant at my wife's company with an IQ of like 90 now has a daughter at TJ so we know the new system is doing too well lol

There are some many things wrong with this post I can't even...

It helps them feel less bitter by talking made-up trash who cares. I know it's frustrating for a lot of parents since the new system is harder to game, and they need to vent somewhere.

Actually, the new system is easier to game.

Well, you used to be able to buy the test answers so it was easier for people with money.

Where did you buy your answers?

The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test. This allowed them to compile question banks. Many of these questions would show up in subsequent years. It wasn't really a big secret. Everyone knew it was going on. How do you think one prep center got 30% of those admitted in one year? Do you think it was talent? LOLOL

Everyone knows this was going on. It's why the county had to change the selection criteria. I'm not sure why these posters want to keep it secret even now since the cats out of the bag.

The cheating was so out of control that they had to scrap the whole selection process and come up with what we have now.

Amazing that they had evidence of out of control cheating, but didn't use that in the lawsuit to justify their admissions changes. Seems like it would be a slam dunk win to show that the changes needed to happen due to rampant cheating.

+1 Cheating would have been a good defense to raise if it really happened.

No, FCPS neither wanted to, nor could prove it. It would be attacking students, when they found a better solution by changing the admissions process.

If they couldn't prove it, that means there's no actual evidence. Thanks for admitting that the "cheating scandal" is just hearsay and a conspiracy theory.

Exactly. People went from some kids saying they saw the questions, to Curie was buying the test, or was debriefing the students about what questions were on it to make a question bank for next year.
Maybe it's true, or maybe they got their hand on some sample questions. but it's just guessing.

It is FALSE that Curie bought the test or that their students had access to all of the exam questions prior to sitting for the exam.

It is TRUE that Curie students reported that, when they sat for the Quant-Q, they realized they’d seen SOME of the exact questions before and had been shown how to solve essentially all of them, step by step, at Curie.

How do you know these are FALSE or TRUE? Did the Curie students report they saw SOME or ALL?

I'd heard that the this was true. Not sure about the first statement though I have no idea where they got answers.

That was my point. It is known some students said they saw the answers at Curie. I think it was all the answers that they said, but people including me surmised that they were probably shown material similar to some of the questions. It is possible Curie has an in with the testing company and had all the answers beforehand. It is possible they were asking students about the questions and built up a test bank over the years, and the testing company was reusing questions. This guesswork as to what Curie did has evolved over two years into 'FACT' that Curie was debriefing students after the test, in violation of the agreement the students signed. More recently it became a FACT that Curie was telling kids to check the free meals box on the application. I don't think there is anyone who said they heard this at Curie. They then went on and said it was a FACT that Curie was advising them to fill out forms at their school when TJ started asking for verification of the free meals.

This is the part that is incontrovertibly true - although we don't know whether Curie ASKED for the materials or if they were simply provided. The rest of it I don't buy.

Makes them smart!

Makes them unethical. Probably not illegal or criminal, and therefore not worthy of an investigation, but certainly unethical given the amount of money they swindle out of the Indian community every year.

Capitalists engage in legal but unethical acts everyday - 24 hours a day! They sometimes say it is their fiduciary 'duty' to maximize profit and deliver the best possible service/product within the confines of the law. What the big deal?

The big deal is that they created imbalances in an admissions process that is supposed to be fair to all by delivering materials from a secured exam to constituents from a single ethnic group, and in so doing eliminated others from consideration in exchange for many thousands of dollars.

Financial resources are not supposed to be a de facto separator in the TJ admissions process, but under the old process (which yielded less than 1% FARMS over 30 years) it undeniably was.

Yes, the clear and blatant discrimination had to be addressed, yet some laughably choose to view this as "discrimination" against the rich.

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that the URM lady who works as an admin assistant at my wife's company with an IQ of like 90 now has a daughter at TJ so we know the new system is doing too well lol

There are some many things wrong with this post I can't even...

It helps them feel less bitter by talking made-up trash who cares. I know it's frustrating for a lot of parents since the new system is harder to game, and they need to vent somewhere.

Actually, the new system is easier to game.

Well, you used to be able to buy the test answers so it was easier for people with money.

Where did you buy your answers?

The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test. This allowed them to compile question banks. Many of these questions would show up in subsequent years. It wasn't really a big secret. Everyone knew it was going on. How do you think one prep center got 30% of those admitted in one year? Do you think it was talent? LOLOL

Everyone knows this was going on. It's why the county had to change the selection criteria. I'm not sure why these posters want to keep it secret even now since the cats out of the bag.

The cheating was so out of control that they had to scrap the whole selection process and come up with what we have now.

Amazing that they had evidence of out of control cheating, but didn't use that in the lawsuit to justify their admissions changes. Seems like it would be a slam dunk win to show that the changes needed to happen due to rampant cheating.

+1 Cheating would have been a good defense to raise if it really happened.

No, FCPS neither wanted to, nor could prove it. It would be attacking students, when they found a better solution by changing the admissions process.

If they couldn't prove it, that means there's no actual evidence. Thanks for admitting that the "cheating scandal" is just hearsay and a conspiracy theory.

Exactly. People went from some kids saying they saw the questions, to Curie was buying the test, or was debriefing the students about what questions were on it to make a question bank for next year.
Maybe it's true, or maybe they got their hand on some sample questions. but it's just guessing.

It is FALSE that Curie bought the test or that their students had access to all of the exam questions prior to sitting for the exam.

It is TRUE that Curie students reported that, when they sat for the Quant-Q, they realized they’d seen SOME of the exact questions before and had been shown how to solve essentially all of them, step by step, at Curie.

How do you know these are FALSE or TRUE? Did the Curie students report they saw SOME or ALL?

I'd heard that the this was true. Not sure about the first statement though I have no idea where they got answers.

That was my point. It is known some students said they saw the answers at Curie. I think it was all the answers that they said, but people including me surmised that they were probably shown material similar to some of the questions. It is possible Curie has an in with the testing company and had all the answers beforehand. It is possible they were asking students about the questions and built up a test bank over the years, and the testing company was reusing questions. This guesswork as to what Curie did has evolved over two years into 'FACT' that Curie was debriefing students after the test, in violation of the agreement the students signed. More recently it became a FACT that Curie was telling kids to check the free meals box on the application. I don't think there is anyone who said they heard this at Curie. They then went on and said it was a FACT that Curie was advising them to fill out forms at their school when TJ started asking for verification of the free meals.

This is the part that is incontrovertibly true - although we don't know whether Curie ASKED for the materials or if they were simply provided. The rest of it I don't buy.

Makes them smart!

Makes them unethical. Probably not illegal or criminal, and therefore not worthy of an investigation, but certainly unethical given the amount of money they swindle out of the Indian community every year.

Capitalists engage in legal but unethical acts everyday - 24 hours a day! They sometimes say it is their fiduciary 'duty' to maximize profit and deliver the best possible service/product within the confines of the law. What the big deal?

The big deal is that they created imbalances in an admissions process that is supposed to be fair to all by delivering materials from a secured exam to constituents from a single ethnic group, and in so doing eliminated others from consideration in exchange for many thousands of dollars.

Financial resources are not supposed to be a de facto separator in the TJ admissions process, but under the old process (which yielded less than 1% FARMS over 30 years) it undeniably was.

Yes, the clear and blatant discrimination had to be addressed, yet some laughably choose to view this as "discrimination" against the rich.

Yes, discrimination against Asians who are not wealthy.