TJ Discrimination Case

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that the URM lady who works as an admin assistant at my wife's company with an IQ of like 90 now has a daughter at TJ so we know the new system is doing too well lol

There are some many things wrong with this post I can't even...

It helps them feel less bitter by talking made-up trash who cares. I know it's frustrating for a lot of parents since the new system is harder to game, and they need to vent somewhere.

Actually, the new system is easier to game.

Well, you used to be able to buy the test answers so it was easier for people with money.

Where did you buy your answers?

The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test. This allowed them to compile question banks. Many of these questions would show up in subsequent years. It wasn't really a big secret. Everyone knew it was going on. How do you think one prep center got 30% of those admitted in one year? Do you think it was talent? LOLOL

Everyone knows this was going on. It's why the county had to change the selection criteria. I'm not sure why these posters want to keep it secret even now since the cats out of the bag.

The cheating was so out of control that they had to scrap the whole selection process and come up with what we have now.

Amazing that they had evidence of out of control cheating, but didn't use that in the lawsuit to justify their admissions changes. Seems like it would be a slam dunk win to show that the changes needed to happen due to rampant cheating.

+1 Cheating would have been a good defense to raise if it really happened.

No, FCPS neither wanted to, nor could prove it. It would be attacking students, when they found a better solution by changing the admissions process.

If they couldn't prove it, that means there's no actual evidence. Thanks for admitting that the "cheating scandal" is just hearsay and a conspiracy theory.

Exactly. People went from some kids saying they saw the questions, to Curie was buying the test, or was debriefing the students about what questions were on it to make a question bank for next year.
Maybe it's true, or maybe they got their hand on some sample questions. but it's just guessing.

It is FALSE that Curie bought the test or that their students had access to all of the exam questions prior to sitting for the exam.

It is TRUE that Curie students reported that, when they sat for the Quant-Q, they realized they’d seen SOME of the exact questions before and had been shown how to solve essentially all of them, step by step, at Curie.

Sounds like there needed to be revisions to the test, not no test or middle school quotas to admit kids to TJ who couldn’t even get into an AAP center. But it was politically expedient to throw the baby out with the bath water and suggest every non-FARMS family must be sending their kid to Curie (which is based out of Chantilly and caters overwhelmingly to Indian families).

Disagree, since this proved that the test just isn't viable, there are people who are determined to get an advantage and will find a way to cheat no matter what they do.

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that the URM lady who works as an admin assistant at my wife's company with an IQ of like 90 now has a daughter at TJ so we know the new system is doing too well lol

There are some many things wrong with this post I can't even...

It helps them feel less bitter by talking made-up trash who cares. I know it's frustrating for a lot of parents since the new system is harder to game, and they need to vent somewhere.

Actually, the new system is easier to game.

Well, you used to be able to buy the test answers so it was easier for people with money.

Where did you buy your answers?

The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test. This allowed them to compile question banks. Many of these questions would show up in subsequent years. It wasn't really a big secret. Everyone knew it was going on. How do you think one prep center got 30% of those admitted in one year? Do you think it was talent? LOLOL

Everyone knows this was going on. It's why the county had to change the selection criteria. I'm not sure why these posters want to keep it secret even now since the cats out of the bag.

The cheating was so out of control that they had to scrap the whole selection process and come up with what we have now.

Amazing that they had evidence of out of control cheating, but didn't use that in the lawsuit to justify their admissions changes. Seems like it would be a slam dunk win to show that the changes needed to happen due to rampant cheating.

+1 Cheating would have been a good defense to raise if it really happened.

No, FCPS neither wanted to, nor could prove it. It would be attacking students, when they found a better solution by changing the admissions process.

If they couldn't prove it, that means there's no actual evidence. Thanks for admitting that the "cheating scandal" is just hearsay and a conspiracy theory.

Exactly. People went from some kids saying they saw the questions, to Curie was buying the test, or was debriefing the students about what questions were on it to make a question bank for next year.
Maybe it's true, or maybe they got their hand on some sample questions. but it's just guessing.

It is FALSE that Curie bought the test or that their students had access to all of the exam questions prior to sitting for the exam.

It is TRUE that Curie students reported that, when they sat for the Quant-Q, they realized they’d seen SOME of the exact questions before and had been shown how to solve essentially all of them, step by step, at Curie.

So by paying for prep, they got access to prep i.e. they bought the answers.

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that the URM lady who works as an admin assistant at my wife's company with an IQ of like 90 now has a daughter at TJ so we know the new system is doing too well lol

There are some many things wrong with this post I can't even...

It helps them feel less bitter by talking made-up trash who cares. I know it's frustrating for a lot of parents since the new system is harder to game, and they need to vent somewhere.

Actually, the new system is easier to game.

Well, you used to be able to buy the test answers so it was easier for people with money.

Where did you buy your answers?

The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test. This allowed them to compile question banks. Many of these questions would show up in subsequent years. It wasn't really a big secret. Everyone knew it was going on. How do you think one prep center got 30% of those admitted in one year? Do you think it was talent? LOLOL

Everyone knows this was going on. It's why the county had to change the selection criteria. I'm not sure why these posters want to keep it secret even now since the cats out of the bag.

The cheating was so out of control that they had to scrap the whole selection process and come up with what we have now.

Amazing that they had evidence of out of control cheating, but didn't use that in the lawsuit to justify their admissions changes. Seems like it would be a slam dunk win to show that the changes needed to happen due to rampant cheating.

+1 Cheating would have been a good defense to raise if it really happened.

No, FCPS neither wanted to, nor could prove it. It would be attacking students, when they found a better solution by changing the admissions process.

If they couldn't prove it, that means there's no actual evidence. Thanks for admitting that the "cheating scandal" is just hearsay and a conspiracy theory.

Exactly. People went from some kids saying they saw the questions, to Curie was buying the test, or was debriefing the students about what questions were on it to make a question bank for next year.
Maybe it's true, or maybe they got their hand on some sample questions. but it's just guessing.

It is FALSE that Curie bought the test or that their students had access to all of the exam questions prior to sitting for the exam.

It is TRUE that Curie students reported that, when they sat for the Quant-Q, they realized they’d seen SOME of the exact questions before and had been shown how to solve essentially all of them, step by step, at Curie.

How do you know these are FALSE or TRUE? Did the Curie students report they saw SOME or ALL?

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that the URM lady who works as an admin assistant at my wife's company with an IQ of like 90 now has a daughter at TJ so we know the new system is doing too well lol

There are some many things wrong with this post I can't even...

It helps them feel less bitter by talking made-up trash who cares. I know it's frustrating for a lot of parents since the new system is harder to game, and they need to vent somewhere.

Actually, the new system is easier to game.

Well, you used to be able to buy the test answers so it was easier for people with money.

Where did you buy your answers?

The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test. This allowed them to compile question banks. Many of these questions would show up in subsequent years. It wasn't really a big secret. Everyone knew it was going on. How do you think one prep center got 30% of those admitted in one year? Do you think it was talent? LOLOL

Everyone knows this was going on. It's why the county had to change the selection criteria. I'm not sure why these posters want to keep it secret even now since the cats out of the bag.

The cheating was so out of control that they had to scrap the whole selection process and come up with what we have now.

Amazing that they had evidence of out of control cheating, but didn't use that in the lawsuit to justify their admissions changes. Seems like it would be a slam dunk win to show that the changes needed to happen due to rampant cheating.

+1 Cheating would have been a good defense to raise if it really happened.

No, FCPS neither wanted to, nor could prove it. It would be attacking students, when they found a better solution by changing the admissions process.

If they couldn't prove it, that means there's no actual evidence. Thanks for admitting that the "cheating scandal" is just hearsay and a conspiracy theory.

Exactly. People went from some kids saying they saw the questions, to Curie was buying the test, or was debriefing the students about what questions were on it to make a question bank for next year.
Maybe it's true, or maybe they got their hand on some sample questions. but it's just guessing.

It is FALSE that Curie bought the test or that their students had access to all of the exam questions prior to sitting for the exam.

It is TRUE that Curie students reported that, when they sat for the Quant-Q, they realized they’d seen SOME of the exact questions before and had been shown how to solve essentially all of them, step by step, at Curie.

How do you know these are FALSE or TRUE? Did the Curie students report they saw SOME or ALL?

I'd heard that the this was true. Not sure about the first statement though I have no idea where they got answers.

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that the URM lady who works as an admin assistant at my wife's company with an IQ of like 90 now has a daughter at TJ so we know the new system is doing too well lol

There are some many things wrong with this post I can't even...

It helps them feel less bitter by talking made-up trash who cares. I know it's frustrating for a lot of parents since the new system is harder to game, and they need to vent somewhere.

Actually, the new system is easier to game.

Well, you used to be able to buy the test answers so it was easier for people with money.

Where did you buy your answers?

The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test. This allowed them to compile question banks. Many of these questions would show up in subsequent years. It wasn't really a big secret. Everyone knew it was going on. How do you think one prep center got 30% of those admitted in one year? Do you think it was talent? LOLOL

Everyone knows this was going on. It's why the county had to change the selection criteria. I'm not sure why these posters want to keep it secret even now since the cats out of the bag.

The cheating was so out of control that they had to scrap the whole selection process and come up with what we have now.

Amazing that they had evidence of out of control cheating, but didn't use that in the lawsuit to justify their admissions changes. Seems like it would be a slam dunk win to show that the changes needed to happen due to rampant cheating.

+1 Cheating would have been a good defense to raise if it really happened.

No, FCPS neither wanted to, nor could prove it. It would be attacking students, when they found a better solution by changing the admissions process.

If they couldn't prove it, that means there's no actual evidence. Thanks for admitting that the "cheating scandal" is just hearsay and a conspiracy theory.

Exactly. People went from some kids saying they saw the questions, to Curie was buying the test, or was debriefing the students about what questions were on it to make a question bank for next year.
Maybe it's true, or maybe they got their hand on some sample questions. but it's just guessing.

It is FALSE that Curie bought the test or that their students had access to all of the exam questions prior to sitting for the exam.

It is TRUE that Curie students reported that, when they sat for the Quant-Q, they realized they’d seen SOME of the exact questions before and had been shown how to solve essentially all of them, step by step, at Curie.

Sounds like there needed to be revisions to the test, not no test or middle school quotas to admit kids to TJ who couldn’t even get into an AAP center. But it was politically expedient to throw the baby out with the bath water and suggest every non-FARMS family must be sending their kid to Curie (which is based out of Chantilly and caters overwhelmingly to Indian families).

Disagree, since this proved that the test just isn't viable, there are people who are determined to get an advantage and will find a way to cheat no matter what they do.

People are determined to game admissions. Althoguh the new system isn't as easy to cheat, people stay hire others to write their essays.

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that the URM lady who works as an admin assistant at my wife's company with an IQ of like 90 now has a daughter at TJ so we know the new system is doing too well lol

There are some many things wrong with this post I can't even...

It helps them feel less bitter by talking made-up trash who cares. I know it's frustrating for a lot of parents since the new system is harder to game, and they need to vent somewhere.

Actually, the new system is easier to game.

Well, you used to be able to buy the test answers so it was easier for people with money.

Where did you buy your answers?

The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test. This allowed them to compile question banks. Many of these questions would show up in subsequent years. It wasn't really a big secret. Everyone knew it was going on. How do you think one prep center got 30% of those admitted in one year? Do you think it was talent? LOLOL

Everyone knows this was going on. It's why the county had to change the selection criteria. I'm not sure why these posters want to keep it secret even now since the cats out of the bag.

The cheating was so out of control that they had to scrap the whole selection process and come up with what we have now.

Amazing that they had evidence of out of control cheating, but didn't use that in the lawsuit to justify their admissions changes. Seems like it would be a slam dunk win to show that the changes needed to happen due to rampant cheating.

+1 Cheating would have been a good defense to raise if it really happened.

No, FCPS neither wanted to, nor could prove it. It would be attacking students, when they found a better solution by changing the admissions process.

If they couldn't prove it, that means there's no actual evidence. Thanks for admitting that the "cheating scandal" is just hearsay and a conspiracy theory.

Exactly. People went from some kids saying they saw the questions, to Curie was buying the test, or was debriefing the students about what questions were on it to make a question bank for next year.
Maybe it's true, or maybe they got their hand on some sample questions. but it's just guessing.

It is FALSE that Curie bought the test or that their students had access to all of the exam questions prior to sitting for the exam.

It is TRUE that Curie students reported that, when they sat for the Quant-Q, they realized they’d seen SOME of the exact questions before and had been shown how to solve essentially all of them, step by step, at Curie.

How do you know these are FALSE or TRUE? Did the Curie students report they saw SOME or ALL?

I'd heard that the this was true. Not sure about the first statement though I have no idea where they got answers.

That was my point. It is known some students said they saw the answers at Curie. I think it was all the answers that they said, but people including me surmised that they were probably shown material similar to some of the questions. It is possible Curie has an in with the testing company and had all the answers beforehand. It is possible they were asking students about the questions and built up a test bank over the years, and the testing company was reusing questions. This guesswork as to what Curie did has evolved over two years into 'FACT' that Curie was debriefing students after the test, in violation of the agreement the students signed. More recently it became a FACT that Curie was telling kids to check the free meals box on the application. I don't think there is anyone who said they heard this at Curie. They then went on and said it was a FACT that Curie was advising them to fill out forms at their school when TJ started asking for verification of the free meals.

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that the URM lady who works as an admin assistant at my wife's company with an IQ of like 90 now has a daughter at TJ so we know the new system is doing too well lol

There are some many things wrong with this post I can't even...

It helps them feel less bitter by talking made-up trash who cares. I know it's frustrating for a lot of parents since the new system is harder to game, and they need to vent somewhere.

Actually, the new system is easier to game.

Well, you used to be able to buy the test answers so it was easier for people with money.

Where did you buy your answers?

The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test. This allowed them to compile question banks. Many of these questions would show up in subsequent years. It wasn't really a big secret. Everyone knew it was going on. How do you think one prep center got 30% of those admitted in one year? Do you think it was talent? LOLOL

Everyone knows this was going on. It's why the county had to change the selection criteria. I'm not sure why these posters want to keep it secret even now since the cats out of the bag.

The cheating was so out of control that they had to scrap the whole selection process and come up with what we have now.

Amazing that they had evidence of out of control cheating, but didn't use that in the lawsuit to justify their admissions changes. Seems like it would be a slam dunk win to show that the changes needed to happen due to rampant cheating.

+1 Cheating would have been a good defense to raise if it really happened.

No, FCPS neither wanted to, nor could prove it. It would be attacking students, when they found a better solution by changing the admissions process.

If they couldn't prove it, that means there's no actual evidence. Thanks for admitting that the "cheating scandal" is just hearsay and a conspiracy theory.

Exactly. People went from some kids saying they saw the questions, to Curie was buying the test, or was debriefing the students about what questions were on it to make a question bank for next year.
Maybe it's true, or maybe they got their hand on some sample questions. but it's just guessing.

It is FALSE that Curie bought the test or that their students had access to all of the exam questions prior to sitting for the exam.

It is TRUE that Curie students reported that, when they sat for the Quant-Q, they realized they’d seen SOME of the exact questions before and had been shown how to solve essentially all of them, step by step, at Curie.

How do you know these are FALSE or TRUE? Did the Curie students report they saw SOME or ALL?

I'd heard that the this was true. Not sure about the first statement though I have no idea where they got answers.

That was my point. It is known some students said they saw the answers at Curie. I think it was all the answers that they said, but people including me surmised that they were probably shown material similar to some of the questions. It is possible Curie has an in with the testing company and had all the answers beforehand. It is possible they were asking students about the questions and built up a test bank over the years, and the testing company was reusing questions. This guesswork as to what Curie did has evolved over two years into 'FACT' that Curie was debriefing students after the test, in violation of the agreement the students signed. More recently it became a FACT that Curie was telling kids to check the free meals box on the application. I don't think there is anyone who said they heard this at Curie. They then went on and said it was a FACT that Curie was advising them to fill out forms at their school when TJ started asking for verification of the free meals.

This happens at all the prep centers. I hear white parents pay proctors to change answers at the exam sites.

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that the URM lady who works as an admin assistant at my wife's company with an IQ of like 90 now has a daughter at TJ so we know the new system is doing too well lol

There are some many things wrong with this post I can't even...

It helps them feel less bitter by talking made-up trash who cares. I know it's frustrating for a lot of parents since the new system is harder to game, and they need to vent somewhere.

Actually, the new system is easier to game.

Well, you used to be able to buy the test answers so it was easier for people with money.

Where did you buy your answers?

The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test. This allowed them to compile question banks. Many of these questions would show up in subsequent years. It wasn't really a big secret. Everyone knew it was going on. How do you think one prep center got 30% of those admitted in one year? Do you think it was talent? LOLOL

Everyone knows this was going on. It's why the county had to change the selection criteria. I'm not sure why these posters want to keep it secret even now since the cats out of the bag.

The cheating was so out of control that they had to scrap the whole selection process and come up with what we have now.

Amazing that they had evidence of out of control cheating, but didn't use that in the lawsuit to justify their admissions changes. Seems like it would be a slam dunk win to show that the changes needed to happen due to rampant cheating.

+1 Cheating would have been a good defense to raise if it really happened.

No, FCPS neither wanted to, nor could prove it. It would be attacking students, when they found a better solution by changing the admissions process.

If they couldn't prove it, that means there's no actual evidence. Thanks for admitting that the "cheating scandal" is just hearsay and a conspiracy theory.

Exactly. People went from some kids saying they saw the questions, to Curie was buying the test, or was debriefing the students about what questions were on it to make a question bank for next year.
Maybe it's true, or maybe they got their hand on some sample questions. but it's just guessing.

It is FALSE that Curie bought the test or that their students had access to all of the exam questions prior to sitting for the exam.

It is TRUE that Curie students reported that, when they sat for the Quant-Q, they realized they’d seen SOME of the exact questions before and had been shown how to solve essentially all of them, step by step, at Curie.

How do you know these are FALSE or TRUE? Did the Curie students report they saw SOME or ALL?

I'd heard that the this was true. Not sure about the first statement though I have no idea where they got answers.

That was my point. It is known some students said they saw the answers at Curie. I think it was all the answers that they said, but people including me surmised that they were probably shown material similar to some of the questions. It is possible Curie has an in with the testing company and had all the answers beforehand. It is possible they were asking students about the questions and built up a test bank over the years, and the testing company was reusing questions. This guesswork as to what Curie did has evolved over two years into 'FACT' that Curie was debriefing students after the test, in violation of the agreement the students signed. More recently it became a FACT that Curie was telling kids to check the free meals box on the application. I don't think there is anyone who said they heard this at Curie. They then went on and said it was a FACT that Curie was advising them to fill out forms at their school when TJ started asking for verification of the free meals.

It seems a bit unhinged to go to this extreme. I get that some people have no shame but would be surprised that they'd risk their reputation over this.

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that the URM lady who works as an admin assistant at my wife's company with an IQ of like 90 now has a daughter at TJ so we know the new system is doing too well lol

There are some many things wrong with this post I can't even...

It helps them feel less bitter by talking made-up trash who cares. I know it's frustrating for a lot of parents since the new system is harder to game, and they need to vent somewhere.

Actually, the new system is easier to game.

Well, you used to be able to buy the test answers so it was easier for people with money.

Where did you buy your answers?

The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test. This allowed them to compile question banks. Many of these questions would show up in subsequent years. It wasn't really a big secret. Everyone knew it was going on. How do you think one prep center got 30% of those admitted in one year? Do you think it was talent? LOLOL

Everyone knows this was going on. It's why the county had to change the selection criteria. I'm not sure why these posters want to keep it secret even now since the cats out of the bag.

The cheating was so out of control that they had to scrap the whole selection process and come up with what we have now.

Amazing that they had evidence of out of control cheating, but didn't use that in the lawsuit to justify their admissions changes. Seems like it would be a slam dunk win to show that the changes needed to happen due to rampant cheating.

+1 Cheating would have been a good defense to raise if it really happened.

No, FCPS neither wanted to, nor could prove it. It would be attacking students, when they found a better solution by changing the admissions process.

If they couldn't prove it, that means there's no actual evidence. Thanks for admitting that the "cheating scandal" is just hearsay and a conspiracy theory.

Exactly. People went from some kids saying they saw the questions, to Curie was buying the test, or was debriefing the students about what questions were on it to make a question bank for next year.
Maybe it's true, or maybe they got their hand on some sample questions. but it's just guessing.

It is FALSE that Curie bought the test or that their students had access to all of the exam questions prior to sitting for the exam.

It is TRUE that Curie students reported that, when they sat for the Quant-Q, they realized they’d seen SOME of the exact questions before and had been shown how to solve essentially all of them, step by step, at Curie.

So by paying for prep, they got access to prep i.e. they bought the answers.

#fakenews

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that the URM lady who works as an admin assistant at my wife's company with an IQ of like 90 now has a daughter at TJ so we know the new system is doing too well lol

There are some many things wrong with this post I can't even...

It helps them feel less bitter by talking made-up trash who cares. I know it's frustrating for a lot of parents since the new system is harder to game, and they need to vent somewhere.

Actually, the new system is easier to game.

Well, you used to be able to buy the test answers so it was easier for people with money.

Where did you buy your answers?

The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test. This allowed them to compile question banks. Many of these questions would show up in subsequent years. It wasn't really a big secret. Everyone knew it was going on. How do you think one prep center got 30% of those admitted in one year? Do you think it was talent? LOLOL

Everyone knows this was going on. It's why the county had to change the selection criteria. I'm not sure why these posters want to keep it secret even now since the cats out of the bag.

The cheating was so out of control that they had to scrap the whole selection process and come up with what we have now.

Amazing that they had evidence of out of control cheating, but didn't use that in the lawsuit to justify their admissions changes. Seems like it would be a slam dunk win to show that the changes needed to happen due to rampant cheating.

+1 Cheating would have been a good defense to raise if it really happened.

No, FCPS neither wanted to, nor could prove it. It would be attacking students, when they found a better solution by changing the admissions process.

If they couldn't prove it, that means there's no actual evidence. Thanks for admitting that the "cheating scandal" is just hearsay and a conspiracy theory.

Exactly. People went from some kids saying they saw the questions, to Curie was buying the test, or was debriefing the students about what questions were on it to make a question bank for next year.
Maybe it's true, or maybe they got their hand on some sample questions. but it's just guessing.

It is FALSE that Curie bought the test or that their students had access to all of the exam questions prior to sitting for the exam.

It is TRUE that Curie students reported that, when they sat for the Quant-Q, they realized they’d seen SOME of the exact questions before and had been shown how to solve essentially all of them, step by step, at Curie.

So by paying for prep, they got access to prep i.e. they bought the answers.

No, by paying for prep, they got practice on solving math problems. It's also called studying, we typically applaud students that study really hard. And they typically do better than they would have if they didn't study.

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that the URM lady who works as an admin assistant at my wife's company with an IQ of like 90 now has a daughter at TJ so we know the new system is doing too well lol

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It helps them feel less bitter by talking made-up trash who cares. I know it's frustrating for a lot of parents since the new system is harder to game, and they need to vent somewhere.

Actually, the new system is easier to game.

Well, you used to be able to buy the test answers so it was easier for people with money.

Where did you buy your answers?

The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test. This allowed them to compile question banks. Many of these questions would show up in subsequent years. It wasn't really a big secret. Everyone knew it was going on. How do you think one prep center got 30% of those admitted in one year? Do you think it was talent? LOLOL

Everyone knows this was going on. It's why the county had to change the selection criteria. I'm not sure why these posters want to keep it secret even now since the cats out of the bag.

The cheating was so out of control that they had to scrap the whole selection process and come up with what we have now.

Amazing that they had evidence of out of control cheating, but didn't use that in the lawsuit to justify their admissions changes. Seems like it would be a slam dunk win to show that the changes needed to happen due to rampant cheating.

+1 Cheating would have been a good defense to raise if it really happened.

No, FCPS neither wanted to, nor could prove it. It would be attacking students, when they found a better solution by changing the admissions process.

If they couldn't prove it, that means there's no actual evidence. Thanks for admitting that the "cheating scandal" is just hearsay and a conspiracy theory.

Exactly. People went from some kids saying they saw the questions, to Curie was buying the test, or was debriefing the students about what questions were on it to make a question bank for next year.
Maybe it's true, or maybe they got their hand on some sample questions. but it's just guessing.

It is FALSE that Curie bought the test or that their students had access to all of the exam questions prior to sitting for the exam.

It is TRUE that Curie students reported that, when they sat for the Quant-Q, they realized they’d seen SOME of the exact questions before and had been shown how to solve essentially all of them, step by step, at Curie.

So by paying for prep, they got access to prep i.e. they bought the answers.

No, by paying for prep, they got practice on solving math problems. It's also called studying, we typically applaud students that study really hard. And they typically do better than they would have if they didn't study.

Yes, by paying for prep, they got practice on solving math problems which happen to include the ones on the test.

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that the URM lady who works as an admin assistant at my wife's company with an IQ of like 90 now has a daughter at TJ so we know the new system is doing too well lol

There are some many things wrong with this post I can't even...

It helps them feel less bitter by talking made-up trash who cares. I know it's frustrating for a lot of parents since the new system is harder to game, and they need to vent somewhere.

Actually, the new system is easier to game.

Well, you used to be able to buy the test answers so it was easier for people with money.

Where did you buy your answers?

The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test. This allowed them to compile question banks. Many of these questions would show up in subsequent years. It wasn't really a big secret. Everyone knew it was going on. How do you think one prep center got 30% of those admitted in one year? Do you think it was talent? LOLOL

Everyone knows this was going on. It's why the county had to change the selection criteria. I'm not sure why these posters want to keep it secret even now since the cats out of the bag.

The cheating was so out of control that they had to scrap the whole selection process and come up with what we have now.

Amazing that they had evidence of out of control cheating, but didn't use that in the lawsuit to justify their admissions changes. Seems like it would be a slam dunk win to show that the changes needed to happen due to rampant cheating.

+1 Cheating would have been a good defense to raise if it really happened.

No, FCPS neither wanted to, nor could prove it. It would be attacking students, when they found a better solution by changing the admissions process.

If they couldn't prove it, that means there's no actual evidence. Thanks for admitting that the "cheating scandal" is just hearsay and a conspiracy theory.

Exactly. People went from some kids saying they saw the questions, to Curie was buying the test, or was debriefing the students about what questions were on it to make a question bank for next year.
Maybe it's true, or maybe they got their hand on some sample questions. but it's just guessing.

It is FALSE that Curie bought the test or that their students had access to all of the exam questions prior to sitting for the exam.

It is TRUE that Curie students reported that, when they sat for the Quant-Q, they realized they’d seen SOME of the exact questions before and had been shown how to solve essentially all of them, step by step, at Curie.

Sounds like there needed to be revisions to the test, not no test or middle school quotas to admit kids to TJ who couldn’t even get into an AAP center. But it was politically expedient to throw the baby out with the bath water and suggest every non-FARMS family must be sending their kid to Curie (which is based out of Chantilly and caters overwhelmingly to Indian families).

The Quant-Q, like most standardized exams, uses a bank of questions that they draw from every year to create their exams. It exists in many forms but, of course, some questions are repeated from one form of the exam to the next.

The entire point of the Quant-Q exam (and the entire reason it was selected) is to test the taker's native problem-solving skills. It is intended to present the taker with a type of problem that they've never seen before, and evaluate whether or not they can look at the problem and solve it quickly and efficiently. Many Quant-Q problems can be solved by one method in 30-40 seconds and another method in 5-10 minutes.

What makes the Quant-Q useless as an exam is to show the test taker similar problems prior to sitting for the exam and show them how to solve those problems. And that's exactly what Curie did, through students violating their pledge not to share test materials and supplying Curie with examples to use in their $5,000 signature TJ prep course.

Approximately 180-190 students of Indian descent are currently in TJ's Class of 2024. The first and last names of 133 Curie students were published as having been admitted to TJ in the Class of 2024, and literally every last one of them was of Indian descent. Not 130 or 132 - literally ALL of them.

This is why people improperly assume that every Indian kid at TJ went to Curie - because most of them, for a long time, did.

And what we now know is that for those students who attended Curie in the classes of 2023 and 2024, the second and third years of the Quant-Q's use in TJ's admissions process, the primary separating exam was completely useless as an evaluative tool. And worse yet, the inflated scores of those students removed other students from the admissions process before the semifinal cut - students who otherwise might have been admitted to TJ and were never even evaluated by the Admissions Office.

This is why you can't use exams (or honestly, most objective measures) anymore as an evaluative tool - because sufficiently motivated families will go to whatever expense is necessary to ensure that their child presents as well as possible and as a result, schools are forced to admit students who don't necessarily belong.

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that the URM lady who works as an admin assistant at my wife's company with an IQ of like 90 now has a daughter at TJ so we know the new system is doing too well lol

There are some many things wrong with this post I can't even...

It helps them feel less bitter by talking made-up trash who cares. I know it's frustrating for a lot of parents since the new system is harder to game, and they need to vent somewhere.

Actually, the new system is easier to game.

Well, you used to be able to buy the test answers so it was easier for people with money.

Where did you buy your answers?

The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test. This allowed them to compile question banks. Many of these questions would show up in subsequent years. It wasn't really a big secret. Everyone knew it was going on. How do you think one prep center got 30% of those admitted in one year? Do you think it was talent? LOLOL

Everyone knows this was going on. It's why the county had to change the selection criteria. I'm not sure why these posters want to keep it secret even now since the cats out of the bag.

The cheating was so out of control that they had to scrap the whole selection process and come up with what we have now.

Amazing that they had evidence of out of control cheating, but didn't use that in the lawsuit to justify their admissions changes. Seems like it would be a slam dunk win to show that the changes needed to happen due to rampant cheating.

+1 Cheating would have been a good defense to raise if it really happened.

No, FCPS neither wanted to, nor could prove it. It would be attacking students, when they found a better solution by changing the admissions process.

If they couldn't prove it, that means there's no actual evidence. Thanks for admitting that the "cheating scandal" is just hearsay and a conspiracy theory.

Exactly. People went from some kids saying they saw the questions, to Curie was buying the test, or was debriefing the students about what questions were on it to make a question bank for next year.
Maybe it's true, or maybe they got their hand on some sample questions. but it's just guessing.

It is FALSE that Curie bought the test or that their students had access to all of the exam questions prior to sitting for the exam.

It is TRUE that Curie students reported that, when they sat for the Quant-Q, they realized they’d seen SOME of the exact questions before and had been shown how to solve essentially all of them, step by step, at Curie.

So by paying for prep, they got access to prep i.e. they bought the answers.

No, by paying for prep, they got practice on solving math problems. It's also called studying, we typically applaud students that study really hard. And they typically do better than they would have if they didn't study.

This is an incorrect assertion.

The questions on the Quant-Q exam are not "math problems". I know, because I've seen it. They are multi-layered problems that seek to test the taker's native problem solving ability and ability to work with numbers and data in non-traditional ways. I can't be more specific because of the NDA that I signed.

Teaching students how to solve the types of problems that exist on the Quant-Q has no value except to help them do well on that exam and make people think that those students are talented problem solvers. It's not making them better at Calculus, or Algebra, or even problem-solving, except to solve those specific types of problems that don't come up anywhere else.

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They really should just get rid of TJ as a magnet. The old system may have been vulnerable to abuse, but the current one is just an exercise in pork-barrel allocations of seats for political gain.

It could be the catalyst for an overdue county-wide redistricting and save FCPS money over the long term, even if TJ lost state money for a Governor's School.

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Anonymous wrote:All I know is that the URM lady who works as an admin assistant at my wife's company with an IQ of like 90 now has a daughter at TJ so we know the new system is doing too well lol

There are some many things wrong with this post I can't even...

It helps them feel less bitter by talking made-up trash who cares. I know it's frustrating for a lot of parents since the new system is harder to game, and they need to vent somewhere.

Actually, the new system is easier to game.

Well, you used to be able to buy the test answers so it was easier for people with money.

Where did you buy your answers?

The prep centers were conducting exit interviews on students who had taken the test. This allowed them to compile question banks. Many of these questions would show up in subsequent years. It wasn't really a big secret. Everyone knew it was going on. How do you think one prep center got 30% of those admitted in one year? Do you think it was talent? LOLOL

Everyone knows this was going on. It's why the county had to change the selection criteria. I'm not sure why these posters want to keep it secret even now since the cats out of the bag.

The cheating was so out of control that they had to scrap the whole selection process and come up with what we have now.

Amazing that they had evidence of out of control cheating, but didn't use that in the lawsuit to justify their admissions changes. Seems like it would be a slam dunk win to show that the changes needed to happen due to rampant cheating.

+1 Cheating would have been a good defense to raise if it really happened.

No, FCPS neither wanted to, nor could prove it. It would be attacking students, when they found a better solution by changing the admissions process.

If they couldn't prove it, that means there's no actual evidence. Thanks for admitting that the "cheating scandal" is just hearsay and a conspiracy theory.

Exactly. People went from some kids saying they saw the questions, to Curie was buying the test, or was debriefing the students about what questions were on it to make a question bank for next year.
Maybe it's true, or maybe they got their hand on some sample questions. but it's just guessing.

It is FALSE that Curie bought the test or that their students had access to all of the exam questions prior to sitting for the exam.

It is TRUE that Curie students reported that, when they sat for the Quant-Q, they realized they’d seen SOME of the exact questions before and had been shown how to solve essentially all of them, step by step, at Curie.

Sounds like there needed to be revisions to the test, not no test or middle school quotas to admit kids to TJ who couldn’t even get into an AAP center. But it was politically expedient to throw the baby out with the bath water and suggest every non-FARMS family must be sending their kid to Curie (which is based out of Chantilly and caters overwhelmingly to Indian families).

Disagree, since this proved that the test just isn't viable, there are people who are determined to get an advantage and will find a way to cheat no matter what they do.

People are determined to game admissions. Althoguh the new system isn't as easy to cheat, people stay hire others to write their essays.

Yeah - but there's really no way to know how effective that coaching is. I would love to see the entire TJ Prep industry die a horrible death because it bilks families out of huge amounts of money and creates almost an assumption that you need to pay to play among others, but it's a lot harder to measure how effective prep is now.