This Is Us final season

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Anonymous wrote:Kate is so unlikeable. She doesn’t like that Toby is happy and healthy. She didn’t address his point that they need more money to help meet Jack’s needs.

I have to admit that I can't side with Kate even though I kind of identify with her a little bit and frankly hit a mental health wall and pulled back from a cross-country move with my spouse.

My job circumstances are different, kids are much older and that was a part of it, etc., so I feel guilty about feeling that Kate is unreasonable.

But this is a TV show and not real life so while I think Toby was heavy handed and wrong not to talk about the LA offer to her, I also think Toby is right. Kate has a part time job as a music teacher. She has no degree or certification. Are they planning to live forever in the same house that they are in right now so Jack never has to adapt? Better than he move and adapt now.

Team Toby.

If the difference in LA salary is made up by Kate’s job , the moving to SF is wrong. Toby never said what the difference was. But it unreasonable for Kate to assume he would be in SF and she in LA forever. She should have been looking to move as soon as she realized his job was working out.

I wonder if Kate gets her act together and at Rebecca’s bedside she shows up skinny. Probably not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not impressed with this week’s episode.

That didn’t take long.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kate is so unlikeable. She doesn’t like that Toby is happy and healthy. She didn’t address his point that they need more money to help meet Jack’s needs.

I have to admit that I can't side with Kate even though I kind of identify with her a little bit and frankly hit a mental health wall and pulled back from a cross-country move with my spouse.

My job circumstances are different, kids are much older and that was a part of it, etc., so I feel guilty about feeling that Kate is unreasonable.

But this is a TV show and not real life so while I think Toby was heavy handed and wrong not to talk about the LA offer to her, I also think Toby is right. Kate has a part time job as a music teacher. She has no degree or certification. Are they planning to live forever in the same house that they are in right now so Jack never has to adapt? Better than he move and adapt now.

Team Toby.

If the difference in LA salary is made up by Kate’s job , the moving to SF is wrong. Toby never said what the difference was. But it unreasonable for Kate to assume he would be in SF and she in LA forever. She should have been looking to move as soon as she realized his job was working out.

I wonder if Kate gets her act together and at Rebecca’s bedside she shows up skinny. Probably not.

It sounds like the LA offer came long after he took the SF job.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kate is so unlikeable. She doesn’t like that Toby is happy and healthy. She didn’t address his point that they need more money to help meet Jack’s needs.

I have to admit that I can't side with Kate even though I kind of identify with her a little bit and frankly hit a mental health wall and pulled back from a cross-country move with my spouse.

My job circumstances are different, kids are much older and that was a part of it, etc., so I feel guilty about feeling that Kate is unreasonable.

But this is a TV show and not real life so while I think Toby was heavy handed and wrong not to talk about the LA offer to her, I also think Toby is right. Kate has a part time job as a music teacher. She has no degree or certification. Are they planning to live forever in the same house that they are in right now so Jack never has to adapt? Better than he move and adapt now.

Team Toby.

If the difference in LA salary is made up by Kate’s job , the moving to SF is wrong. Toby never said what the difference was. But it unreasonable for Kate to assume he would be in SF and she in LA forever. She should have been looking to move as soon as she realized his job was working out.

I wonder if Kate gets her act together and at Rebecca’s bedside she shows up skinny. Probably not.

It sounds like the LA offer came long after he took the SF job.

Yes, that's what he said. He's clearly thriving there and she should be happy for him and supportive. He's absolutely right that they need resources for Jack's care. She could get a degree in her new field and work with the blind in SF. https://viprogram.sfsu.edu Her only good argument is wanting to be there for Rebecca, but it's an easy trip and she could see her often. It's sweet Toby was thinking about a guest house for them.

[Anonymous]

It's hard to be with a partner who only sees your limitations, which is where she seems to be with Toby when he's being truthful. I think that's why she walked up the hill, then called her colleague. Very short-sighted though, damn. Work on your marriage, lady.

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No way someone that size could walk up that hill and then make that phone call. Not even sure they could make it. She is not just a heavy person, she is extremely overweight.

[Anonymous]

I wonder if Kate gets her act together and at Rebecca’s bedside she shows up skinny. Probably not.

That would take some serious CGI wizardry. The deepest of deep fakes.

[Anonymous]

Team Toby.

Toby got his act together and improved his life. Kate still hasn't gotten her act together and improved her life - and it doesn't seem she wants to. She also doesn't want Toby to improve and get ahead. She doesn't want him to succeed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No way someone that size could walk up that hill and then make that phone call. Not even sure they could make it. She is not just a heavy person, she is extremely overweight.

Wow, the fat hate is strong here, from this post to equating "having your life together" with losing weight

I do think they've grown apart, and I think the writers are doing a better job of showing a failed marriage with no bad guys than they did showing Kevin's personal growth via awkward monolog

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Team Toby.

Toby got his act together and improved his life. Kate still hasn't gotten her act together and improved her life - and it doesn't seem she wants to. She also doesn't want Toby to improve and get ahead. She doesn't want him to succeed.

I agree! Kate is acting like a brat. Not surprising given her past behavior but she's not even trying to see Toby's side of this. Just stamping her feet and walking away because she's not getting her way.

I get the mom issue, and I feel for her there, but she should have at least considered what Toby was offering. He's making an effort to keep his family together and he's right--Kate is perfectly happy being financially supported by Toby and living with her brother for emotional support. It's so weird.

But if she's so in love with the old Toby and can't stand this together Toby, how does she fall in love with that jerk at the blind school?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Kate is so unlikeable. She doesn’t like that Toby is happy and healthy. She didn’t address his point that they need more money to help meet Jack’s needs.

I have to admit that I can't side with Kate even though I kind of identify with her a little bit and frankly hit a mental health wall and pulled back from a cross-country move with my spouse.

My job circumstances are different, kids are much older and that was a part of it, etc., so I feel guilty about feeling that Kate is unreasonable.

But this is a TV show and not real life so while I think Toby was heavy handed and wrong not to talk about the LA offer to her, I also think Toby is right. Kate has a part time job as a music teacher. She has no degree or certification. Are they planning to live forever in the same house that they are in right now so Jack never has to adapt? Better than he move and adapt now.

Team Toby.

If the difference in LA salary is made up by Kate’s job , the moving to SF is wrong. Toby never said what the difference was. But it unreasonable for Kate to assume he would be in SF and she in LA forever. She should have been looking to move as soon as she realized his job was working out.

I wonder if Kate gets her act together and at Rebecca’s bedside she shows up skinny. Probably not.

It sounds like the LA offer came long after he took the SF job.

Yes, that's what he said. He's clearly thriving there and she should be happy for him and supportive. He's absolutely right that they need resources for Jack's care. She could get a degree in her new field and work with the blind in SF. https://viprogram.sfsu.edu Her only good argument is wanting to be there for Rebecca, but it's an easy trip and she could see her often. It's sweet Toby was thinking about a guest house for them.

DP. The devil is in the details, though. Yeah, he was depressed and now is better as he's improved his life, but that isn't a pass on behaviors like in last night's episode. He still never answered Kate about a dollar figure. That felt very wrong to me; what married couple doesn't talk in concrete dollar amounts? But he won't allow a discussion of dollars, which any real couple would at least have even if in the end it didn't change things. That felt manipulative on his part. And so did his ultimatum at the end because that's what he did -- gave Kate a flat out ultimatum: The only way to be a family is in SF. Not LA, not anywhere else. Neither wants to compromise, I get that, but Toby's behavior re: the LA job offer, the refusal to discuss money seriously, and the ultimatum were very selfish, to me. Kate could be more supportive, but his whole demeanor last night was "I'm the one making the decisions." The clincher was how he apologized, the next morning, for not telling her about the job offer -- and after that small apology, he immediately wallops her with the "SF or nothing" ultimatum. Wow.

IRL, SF to LA is not an "easy trip" if you're juggling two young children and your husband is super busy with his job. It's more than six hours by car, not counting any traffic issues. While only 90 minutes by plane, that's not including navigating to and from two major airports and city traffic, which in those cities (especially LA) can add a lot more time. And those "easy" plane trips would add up and suck away $$. Not at all realistic to pop back and forth with young kids and if you're trying to save money for assistive technology and special schooling.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No way someone that size could walk up that hill and then make that phone call. Not even sure they could make it. She is not just a heavy person, she is extremely overweight.

Wow, the fat hate is strong here, from this post to equating "having your life together" with losing weight

I do think they've grown apart, and I think the writers are doing a better job of showing a failed marriage with no bad guys than they did showing Kevin's personal growth via awkward monolog

Its not fat hate. Just realism about an obese person walking up a San Francisco and being out of breath. I am sure that was a body double and not Chrissy Metz in that distant shot of Kate walking a brisk pace up the hill. I have obese relatives and they couldn't do it, so that was very unrealistic even if it was supposed to by symbolic of Kate "finally reaching the top"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Kate is so unlikeable. She doesn’t like that Toby is happy and healthy. She didn’t address his point that they need more money to help meet Jack’s needs.

I have to admit that I can't side with Kate even though I kind of identify with her a little bit and frankly hit a mental health wall and pulled back from a cross-country move with my spouse.

My job circumstances are different, kids are much older and that was a part of it, etc., so I feel guilty about feeling that Kate is unreasonable.

But this is a TV show and not real life so while I think Toby was heavy handed and wrong not to talk about the LA offer to her, I also think Toby is right. Kate has a part time job as a music teacher. She has no degree or certification. Are they planning to live forever in the same house that they are in right now so Jack never has to adapt? Better than he move and adapt now.

Team Toby.

If the difference in LA salary is made up by Kate’s job , the moving to SF is wrong. Toby never said what the difference was. But it unreasonable for Kate to assume he would be in SF and she in LA forever. She should have been looking to move as soon as she realized his job was working out.

I wonder if Kate gets her act together and at Rebecca’s bedside she shows up skinny. Probably not.

It sounds like the LA offer came long after he took the SF job.

Yes, that's what he said. He's clearly thriving there and she should be happy for him and supportive. He's absolutely right that they need resources for Jack's care. She could get a degree in her new field and work with the blind in SF. https://viprogram.sfsu.edu Her only good argument is wanting to be there for Rebecca, but it's an easy trip and she could see her often. It's sweet Toby was thinking about a guest house for them.

DP. The devil is in the details, though. Yeah, he was depressed and now is better as he's improved his life, but that isn't a pass on behaviors like in last night's episode. He still never answered Kate about a dollar figure. That felt very wrong to me; what married couple doesn't talk in concrete dollar amounts? But he won't allow a discussion of dollars, which any real couple would at least have even if in the end it didn't change things. That felt manipulative on his part. And so did his ultimatum at the end because that's what he did -- gave Kate a flat out ultimatum: The only way to be a family is in SF. Not LA, not anywhere else. Neither wants to compromise, I get that, but Toby's behavior re: the LA job offer, the refusal to discuss money seriously, and the ultimatum were very selfish, to me. Kate could be more supportive, but his whole demeanor last night was "I'm the one making the decisions." The clincher was how he apologized, the next morning, for not telling her about the job offer -- and after that small apology, he immediately wallops her with the "SF or nothing" ultimatum. Wow.

IRL, SF to LA is not an "easy trip" if you're juggling two young children and your husband is super busy with his job. It's more than six hours by car, not counting any traffic issues. While only 90 minutes by plane, that's not including navigating to and from two major airports and city traffic, which in those cities (especially LA) can add a lot more time. And those "easy" plane trips would add up and suck away $$. Not at all realistic to pop back and forth with young kids and if you're trying to save money for assistive technology and special schooling.

Yet you are forgetting that this family does cross country travel at the drop of a hat like it is nothing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Team Toby.

Toby got his act together and improved his life. Kate still hasn't gotten her act together and improved her life - and it doesn't seem she wants to. She also doesn't want Toby to improve and get ahead. She doesn't want him to succeed.

I agree! Kate is acting like a brat. Not surprising given her past behavior but she's not even trying to see Toby's side of this. Just stamping her feet and walking away because she's not getting her way.

I get the mom issue, and I feel for her there, but she should have at least considered what Toby was offering. He's making an effort to keep his family together and he's right--Kate is perfectly happy being financially supported by Toby and living with her brother for emotional support. It's so weird.

But if she's so in love with the old Toby and can't stand this together Toby, how does she fall in love with that jerk at the blind school?

Plus, as the other flashbacks showed - Kate always hated to take risks. She was content hanging onto her dad in the swimming pool instead of learning to swim. She didn't want to scale the fence in order to escape the pool. She complained about being stuck in Pittsburgh but she never did anything to better her situation like going to college.

[Anonymous]

I think Kate has some strong arguments here-- mom is in LA, brother is in LA, cousins are in LA, son knows the house in LA, she has a job she loves.
But does her marriage trump all of that?