Wuhan virus (coronavirus) arrives in the USA

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Anonymous wrote:Italy has reported 3 more deaths, for a total of 17 deaths out of 650 cases.

Yikes. That's a very high mortality rate.

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Anonymous wrote:Arrests for 'spreading rumours'
Iranian police have arrested 24 people accused of spreading rumours about the coronavirus online, AFP news agency reports.

A further 118 internet users were "talked to and let go" with warnings, the head of Iran's cyberpolice force Vahid Majid said.

wow, dont talk about it and it doesnt exist

Just like the USA! If we don’t test, then no one has it! Nothing to see here! We are the greatest!

If people with no known risk factors (no international travel, no close contact with international travelers) are contracting this virus then who the heck do you test?

If you are concerned about Coronavirus assume that *everyone* has it and exercise prudent caution.

You can't go around testing at random and then forcing people who test positive to undergo weeks long quarantine while the lucky ones who are tested are allowed to live their lives. That isn't containing the virus or preventing it from spreading - that's just giving people a false sense of security that something is being "done" about it.

For most of us, this will be a...cold. Assuming we even catch it because we are all going to be super careful to wash our hands and avoid touching our faces, right?

Sheesh. Let's leave this to the experts, shall we? Symptomatic people can be tested -- those who have pneumonia unexplained by influenza. At some point, they can start testing people with any respiratory symptoms, or treating them as if they were coronavirus. Asymptomatic infected people likely aren't that contagious. So it's not about "fairness" but rather targeting efforts to people who are mostly likely to be infectious.

If someone gets sick and presents at the hospital/Urgent Care/there doctor's office with symptoms of pneumonia - absolutely check them for the virus just like you would the flu. But don't try to hunt down every person that has had recent contact with them. It's a pointless waste of resources to do that because most of them won't get sick and the ones that do will seek out medical attention.

Don't make people afraid to seek medical attention by threatening to quarantine everyone that they know. That is not going to help matters.

Right, you can't do the same sort of "contact tracing" with widespread community transmission as you can with isolated cases, like we have now. But you certainly can test family members and ask them to self-quarantine. For example, if the wife of the patient works at a daycare or dr office, I don't think you want her going to work.

There's a good chance that the husband of a preschool teacher or healthcare worker caught the virus from their wife who caught it their student or patient. Just because the husband gotten violently ill from the virus means that he is the source of the virus. You could quarantine his wife, but the kids at preschool and the folks in the doctor's office are still going to be spreading their germs around.

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^ugh, please excuse the grammatical mistakes and typos. I promise you I am not drinking, lol.

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A case fatality rate of between 2% to 4% rivals and even exceeds that of the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic, which is estimated to have killed upwards of 50 million people. Even a case fatality rate of 0.7% — which means 7 out of every 1,000 infected people would die — is sobering. It is seven times the fatality rate for seasonal flu, which is estimated to kill between 290,000 and 650,000 people a year globally.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/25/new-data-from-china-buttress-fears-about-high-coronavirus-fatality-rate-who-expert-says/

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Anonymous wrote:This is unsettling:

"Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, one of the country’s leading experts on viruses and the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infections Diseases, told associates that the White House had instructed him not to say anything else without clearance."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/us-coronavirus-pence.html?fbclid=IwAR1MDiC9FK6PtKPlnnM6kk8GFe8bKUOgpc8vOLZPdyz7NBGsVeSlR-ORPVw

Folks at the White House are not qualified to decide what news should get shared. I sincerely hope they decide to share real time information without concern for the stock market response. This is so aggravating.

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Anonymous wrote:A case fatality rate of between 2% to 4% rivals and even exceeds that of the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic, which is estimated to have killed upwards of 50 million people. Even a case fatality rate of 0.7% — which means 7 out of every 1,000 infected people would die — is sobering. It is seven times the fatality rate for seasonal flu, which is estimated to kill between 290,000 and 650,000 people a year globally.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/25/new-data-from-china-buttress-fears-about-high-coronavirus-fatality-rate-who-expert-says/

Read the whole article:

"Gary Kobinger, director of the Infectious Disease Research Center at Laval University in Quebec, said it would be highly unusual for there not to be mild or symptom-free cases that are being missed. He pointed to the fact that outbreaks have popped up in countries far from China — including Iran and Italy — because people with mild infections were not detected and traveled to other places.

“There are mild cases that are undetected. This is why it’s spreading. Otherwise it would not be spreading because we would know where those cases are and they would be contained and that would be the end of it,” said Kobinger, who insisted that mild, undetected infections cannot be ruled out until people who haven’t been diagnosed with the illness can be tested for antibodies to the virus.

Those kinds of tests, called serology tests, are just becoming available in China, Aylward said.

“As long as we do not have good serology data, I think that it is completely speculative to say that there are no undetected cases,” Kobinger said."

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Coronavirus: California monitoring more than 8,000 people as number of cases soar

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-california-cdc-outbreak-gavin-newsom-us-trump-latest-a9363976.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0KC7gQ7dbloOmXu-WeMReNoZkxmmyGteE0C8TSGwwZrbf8pQH3T2OJRDk#Echobox=1582831692

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Anonymous wrote:This is unsettling:

"Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, one of the country’s leading experts on viruses and the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infections Diseases, told associates that the White House had instructed him not to say anything else without clearance."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/us-coronavirus-pence.html?fbclid=IwAR1MDiC9FK6PtKPlnnM6kk8GFe8bKUOgpc8vOLZPdyz7NBGsVeSlR-ORPVw

Wow. That’s very unsettling.

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Anonymous wrote:This is unsettling:

"Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, one of the country’s leading experts on viruses and the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infections Diseases, told associates that the White House had instructed him not to say anything else without clearance."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/us-coronavirus-pence.html?fbclid=IwAR1MDiC9FK6PtKPlnnM6kk8GFe8bKUOgpc8vOLZPdyz7NBGsVeSlR-ORPVw

Wow. That’s very unsettling.

Surprised?

Trump only sees the virus as a possible pain in the neck for him getting reelected.

For goodness sake he put Pence the man who literally said "smoking doesn't kill' in charge.

Dr Fauci is calm, an incredible professional and well versed in his skills, yet Trump appoints Pence. Anyone who still supports Trump is a complete idiot.

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Anonymous wrote:This is unsettling:

"Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, one of the country’s leading experts on viruses and the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infections Diseases, told associates that the White House had instructed him not to say anything else without clearance."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/us-coronavirus-pence.html?fbclid=IwAR1MDiC9FK6PtKPlnnM6kk8GFe8bKUOgpc8vOLZPdyz7NBGsVeSlR-ORPVw

Folks at the White House are not qualified to decide what news should get shared. I sincerely hope they decide to share real time information without concern for the stock market response. This is so aggravating.

it's a weird time.

In the past, information was released in volume and people panic, better to err on the side of caution. Now : VITAL information is being kept from the public to keep them in denial and not give them time to prepare. Zero transparency and medical community is in opposition to administration.

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Anonymous wrote:This is unsettling:

"Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, one of the country’s leading experts on viruses and the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infections Diseases, told associates that the White House had instructed him not to say anything else without clearance."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/us-coronavirus-pence.html?fbclid=IwAR1MDiC9FK6PtKPlnnM6kk8GFe8bKUOgpc8vOLZPdyz7NBGsVeSlR-ORPVw

Wow. That’s very unsettling.

Surprised?

Trump only sees the virus as a possible pain in the neck for him getting reelected.

For goodness sake he put Pence the man who literally said "smoking doesn't kill' in charge.

Dr Fauci is calm, an incredible professional and well versed in his skills, yet Trump appoints Pence. Anyone who still supports Trump is a complete idiot.

+1,000. This is what you get when you elect a pathological liar with paranoia. He's going to try to control the information.
Fauci is so well respected. He does a lot of work on HIV transmission. Crazy to see him in this position.

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Surprised?

Trump only sees the virus as a possible pain in the neck for him getting reelected.

For goodness sake he put Pence the man who literally said "smoking doesn't kill' in charge.

Dr Fauci is calm, an incredible professional and well versed in his skills, yet Trump appoints Pence. Anyone who still supports Trump is a complete idiot.

Did you all see the news conference yesterday? When Dr. Fauci started talking, someone in the pool asked who is was and he was like "I'm...Dr. Anthony Fauci?" Even I knew who he was! He's been talking to every news channel for over a week. I really appreciate his efforts to get the word out. What a shame he's not in charge.

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Anonymous wrote:A case fatality rate of between 2% to 4% rivals and even exceeds that of the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic, which is estimated to have killed upwards of 50 million people. Even a case fatality rate of 0.7% — which means 7 out of every 1,000 infected people would die — is sobering. It is seven times the fatality rate for seasonal flu, which is estimated to kill between 290,000 and 650,000 people a year globally.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/25/new-data-from-china-buttress-fears-about-high-coronavirus-fatality-rate-who-expert-says/

Read the whole article:

"Gary Kobinger, director of the Infectious Disease Research Center at Laval University in Quebec, said it would be highly unusual for there not to be mild or symptom-free cases that are being missed. He pointed to the fact that outbreaks have popped up in countries far from China — including Iran and Italy — because people with mild infections were not detected and traveled to other places.

“There are mild cases that are undetected. This is why it’s spreading. Otherwise it would not be spreading because we would know where those cases are and they would be contained and that would be the end of it,” said Kobinger, who insisted that mild, undetected infections cannot be ruled out until people who haven’t been diagnosed with the illness can be tested for antibodies to the virus.

Those kinds of tests, called serology tests, are just becoming available in China, Aylward said.

“As long as we do not have good serology data, I think that it is completely speculative to say that there are no undetected cases,” Kobinger said."

WHICH MEANS, since I think you implied this but skipped the key point, that we don't have an accurate denominator. We know how many people have died, and we know how many people we know about. But they are estimating 80% of cases are mild. So we have NO IDEA how many actual infections there are. I suspect we are off by an order of magnitude.

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Anonymous wrote:Coronavirus: California monitoring more than 8,000 people as number of cases soar

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-california-cdc-outbreak-gavin-newsom-us-trump-latest-a9363976.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0KC7gQ7dbloOmXu-WeMReNoZkxmmyGteE0C8TSGwwZrbf8pQH3T2OJRDk#Echobox=1582831692

Gulp.

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Dow down 1200 points today.