Affirmative Action should be income-based, not race-based

[Anonymous]

Yes, in western culture there is White privilege. In eastern culture there is Asian privilege. Why is that?

In the Middle East, there is rich male, Muslim privilege. Why is that?

In India there are castes, with certain castes having much greater privilege than others. Why is that?

Why is there ever privilege and why does it persist?

Answering this question and then pursuing in the manner by which those groups gained their privilege is the only way another group’s status will rise. I can tell you that none of those groups became privileged by having an affirmative action program. AA programs inherently say the following, without admitting it, “you’re not as good as the rest of us, so we’re going to give you an unfair paper advantage, based not on merit but on a natural born trait.” This does two things: it reinforces to the oppressed that they are not considered equal and cannot compete on level terms and makes the privileged class resent the underprivileged even more. While it may have some success stories, it has a net negative affect overall.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, in western culture there is White privilege. In eastern culture there is Asian privilege. Why is that?

In the Middle East, there is rich male, Muslim privilege. Why is that?

In India there are castes, with certain castes having much greater privilege than others. Why is that?

Why is there ever privilege and why does it persist?

Answering this question and then pursuing in the manner by which those groups gained their privilege is the only way another group’s status will rise. I can tell you that none of those groups became privileged by having an affirmative action program. AA programs inherently say the following, without admitting it, “you’re not as good as the rest of us, so we’re going to give you an unfair paper advantage, based not on merit but on a natural born trait.” This does two things: it reinforces to the oppressed that they are not considered equal and cannot compete on level terms and makes the privileged class resent the underprivileged even more. While it may have some success stories, it has a net negative affect overall.

How dare you compare Whitness and its violence to social issues in the Middle East and India?!? Where is the Lebanese Empire? The Indian colonies? Are their slaves in Iraq? Who is more likely to be assaulted, a young woman in Manhattan or Riyadh?

White culture = Violence

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a teachable moment for holders of white privilege. Check yourselves.

Please shut up and run along you utter imbecile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, in western culture there is White privilege. In eastern culture there is Asian privilege. Why is that?

In the Middle East, there is rich male, Muslim privilege. Why is that?

In India there are castes, with certain castes having much greater privilege than others. Why is that?

Why is there ever privilege and why does it persist?

Answering this question and then pursuing in the manner by which those groups gained their privilege is the only way another group’s status will rise. I can tell you that none of those groups became privileged by having an affirmative action program. AA programs inherently say the following, without admitting it, “you’re not as good as the rest of us, so we’re going to give you an unfair paper advantage, based not on merit but on a natural born trait.” This does two things: it reinforces to the oppressed that they are not considered equal and cannot compete on level terms and makes the privileged class resent the underprivileged even more. While it may have some success stories, it has a net negative affect overall.

How dare you compare Whitness and its violence to social issues in the Middle East and India?!? Where is the Lebanese Empire? The Indian colonies? Are their slaves in Iraq? Who is more likely to be assaulted, a young woman in Manhattan or Riyadh?

White culture = Violence

“Social issues in the Middle East?” You actually think that what is going on there is just social issues? Wow! You are too dumb for words!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, in western culture there is White privilege. In eastern culture there is Asian privilege. Why is that?

In the Middle East, there is rich male, Muslim privilege. Why is that?

In India there are castes, with certain castes having much greater privilege than others. Why is that?

Why is there ever privilege and why does it persist?

Answering this question and then pursuing in the manner by which those groups gained their privilege is the only way another group’s status will rise. I can tell you that none of those groups became privileged by having an affirmative action program. AA programs inherently say the following, without admitting it, “you’re not as good as the rest of us, so we’re going to give you an unfair paper advantage, based not on merit but on a natural born trait.” This does two things: it reinforces to the oppressed that they are not considered equal and cannot compete on level terms and makes the privileged class resent the underprivileged even more. While it may have some success stories, it has a net negative affect overall.

How dare you compare Whitness and its violence to social issues in the Middle East and India?!? Where is the Lebanese Empire? The Indian colonies? Are their slaves in Iraq? Who is more likely to be assaulted, a young woman in Manhattan or Riyadh?

White culture = Violence

If you truly believe that, and you choose to live here, you are deeply dumb.

No affirmative action will ever help you. Other than a one-way ticket to the non-white country of your choosing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, in western culture there is White privilege. In eastern culture there is Asian privilege. Why is that?

In the Middle East, there is rich male, Muslim privilege. Why is that?

In India there are castes, with certain castes having much greater privilege than others. Why is that?

Why is there ever privilege and why does it persist?

Answering this question and then pursuing in the manner by which those groups gained their privilege is the only way another group’s status will rise. I can tell you that none of those groups became privileged by having an affirmative action program. AA programs inherently say the following, without admitting it, “you’re not as good as the rest of us, so we’re going to give you an unfair paper advantage, based not on merit but on a natural born trait.” This does two things: it reinforces to the oppressed that they are not considered equal and cannot compete on level terms and makes the privileged class resent the underprivileged even more. While it may have some success stories, it has a net negative affect overall.

How dare you compare Whitness and its violence to social issues in the Middle East and India?!? Where is the Lebanese Empire? The Indian colonies? Are their slaves in Iraq? Who is more likely to be assaulted, a young woman in Manhattan or Riyadh?

White culture = Violence

If you truly believe that, and you choose to live here, you are deeply dumb.

No affirmative action will ever help you. Other than a one-way ticket to the non-white country of your choosing.

PP doesn't have to wait long for things to change:
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/05/17/explaining-why-minority-births-now-outnumber-white-births/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, in western culture there is White privilege. In eastern culture there is Asian privilege. Why is that?

In the Middle East, there is rich male, Muslim privilege. Why is that?

In India there are castes, with certain castes having much greater privilege than others. Why is that?

Why is there ever privilege and why does it persist?

Answering this question and then pursuing in the manner by which those groups gained their privilege is the only way another group’s status will rise. I can tell you that none of those groups became privileged by having an affirmative action program. AA programs inherently say the following, without admitting it, “you’re not as good as the rest of us, so we’re going to give you an unfair paper advantage, based not on merit but on a natural born trait.” This does two things: it reinforces to the oppressed that they are not considered equal and cannot compete on level terms and makes the privileged class resent the underprivileged even more. While it may have some success stories, it has a net negative affect overall.

How dare you compare Whitness and its violence to social issues in the Middle East and India?!? Where is the Lebanese Empire? The Indian colonies? Are their slaves in Iraq? Who is more likely to be assaulted, a young woman in Manhattan or Riyadh?

White culture = Violence

If you truly believe that, and you choose to live here, you are deeply dumb.

No affirmative action will ever help you. Other than a one-way ticket to the non-white country of your choosing.

PP doesn't have to wait long for things to change:
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/05/17/explaining-why-minority-births-now-outnumber-white-births/

Some groups are too busy chasing material goods to make babies. They are old, tired and wanting to rest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, in western culture there is White privilege. In eastern culture there is Asian privilege. Why is that?

In the Middle East, there is rich male, Muslim privilege. Why is that?

In India there are castes, with certain castes having much greater privilege than others. Why is that?

Why is there ever privilege and why does it persist?

Answering this question and then pursuing in the manner by which those groups gained their privilege is the only way another group’s status will rise. I can tell you that none of those groups became privileged by having an affirmative action program. AA programs inherently say the following, without admitting it, “you’re not as good as the rest of us, so we’re going to give you an unfair paper advantage, based not on merit but on a natural born trait.” This does two things: it reinforces to the oppressed that they are not considered equal and cannot compete on level terms and makes the privileged class resent the underprivileged even more. While it may have some success stories, it has a net negative affect overall.

How dare you compare Whitness and its violence to social issues in the Middle East and India?!? Where is the Lebanese Empire? The Indian colonies? Are their slaves in Iraq? Who is more likely to be assaulted, a young woman in Manhattan or Riyadh?

White culture = Violence

If you truly believe that, and you choose to live here, you are deeply dumb.

No affirmative action will ever help you. Other than a one-way ticket to the non-white country of your choosing.

PP doesn't have to wait long for things to change:
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/05/17/explaining-why-minority-births-now-outnumber-white-births/

Some groups are too busy chasing material goods to make babies. They are old, tired and wanting to rest.

Not to mention they are too busy building things, inventing things, making the world go around, and supporting everyone else.

[Anonymous]

White liberals are so enlightened on issues of justice and oppression right up until the moment Junior has to go to Harvey Mudd instead of Stanford. Then it’s time to scream on the internet.

[Anonymous]

I am the OP, and I still fail to see what is racist about my initial proposal - top 5% of every high school in the country, with family incomes under $100,000 (or maybe lower) will be beneficiaries of AA and, to solve the "free college for everyone" impossibility, also qualify for a free ride to the 4-year university in their state. It addresses so many issues at once:

1) Black children from low-income families with uneducated parents, who obviously started life at a disadvantage to the middle class, get an "assist" via AA and free state college IF they are among the top 5% in their high schools. The beauty of this proposal is that we go high school-by-high school, so kids from impoverished, primarily black inner-city schools will compete only against each other, and not the more affluent suburban high school students who, regardless of race, clearly had a running start in life.

2) Granted, this will not help the black child of professional parents earning high salaries (unless she is among the exceptional top 5%). This is fair. Assuming that AA was started to reverse the discrimination toward black students generations earlier - and that the effect of that discrimination has impacted black kids today - affluent black children are not among that group. Their parents, or even grandparents, went to college.

3) On the white side, the children living in poor rural areas OR in the inner-city (since not everyone in the inner-city is black) will also gain. They too have been disadvantaged in life via their poor, uneducated parents - and the top 5% of them, who got top grades and entrance scores despite the hardships, should also benefit from an "assist".

4) Combining academic achievement (the 5%) with low SES (the income requirement) helps the students that a FAIR-MINDED individual would want to help, black, white, or green.

5) To those arguing that this is an attempt to keep blacks "in their place," how so? To the contrary, a low SES hits black families to a much greater degree than white families, and thus this proposal would still see that AA policies disproportionally assist them. Beyond that, the proposal would PAY for their college!

6) Finally, the only black kids this would adversely affect are the ones, who I mentioned, whose parents are educated professionals. These kids have advantages that the poor - white and black - do not have, including access to private tutors if needed and even better caliber private schools.

I still say this proposal is much more fair than the current AA policies. It factors together low SES and academic achievement and still, indirectly, disproportionately provides an assist to blacks. It merely gives poor whites (those who have excelled in high schoo) better access to higher education, which could otherwise be beyond their reach due to financial pressures.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, in western culture there is White privilege. In eastern culture there is Asian privilege. Why is that?

In the Middle East, there is rich male, Muslim privilege. Why is that?

In India there are castes, with certain castes having much greater privilege than others. Why is that?

Why is there ever privilege and why does it persist?

Answering this question and then pursuing in the manner by which those groups gained their privilege is the only way another group’s status will rise. I can tell you that none of those groups became privileged by having an affirmative action program. AA programs inherently say the following, without admitting it, “you’re not as good as the rest of us, so we’re going to give you an unfair paper advantage, based not on merit but on a natural born trait.” This does two things: it reinforces to the oppressed that they are not considered equal and cannot compete on level terms and makes the privileged class resent the underprivileged even more. While it may have some success stories, it has a net negative affect overall.

How dare you compare Whitness and its violence to social issues in the Middle East and India?!? Where is the Lebanese Empire? The Indian colonies? Are their slaves in Iraq? Who is more likely to be assaulted, a young woman in Manhattan or Riyadh?

White culture = Violence

If you truly believe that, and you choose to live here, you are deeply dumb.

No affirmative action will ever help you. Other than a one-way ticket to the non-white country of your choosing.

PP doesn't have to wait long for things to change:
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/05/17/explaining-why-minority-births-now-outnumber-white-births/

Some groups are too busy chasing material goods to make babies. They are old, tired and wanting to rest.

Not to mention they are too busy building things, inventing things, making the world go around, and supporting everyone else.

Oh look, David Duke joined us. Aren't we lucky?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am the OP, and I still fail to see what is racist about my initial proposal - top 5% of every high school in the country, with family incomes under $100,000 (or maybe lower) will be beneficiaries of AA and, to solve the "free college for everyone" impossibility, also qualify for a free ride to the 4-year university in their state. It addresses so many issues at once:

1) Black children from low-income families with uneducated parents, who obviously started life at a disadvantage to the middle class, get an "assist" via AA and free state college IF they are among the top 5% in their high schools. The beauty of this proposal is that we go high school-by-high school, so kids from impoverished, primarily black inner-city schools will compete only against each other, and not the more affluent suburban high school students who, regardless of race, clearly had a running start in life.

2) Granted, this will not help the black child of professional parents earning high salaries (unless she is among the exceptional top 5%). This is fair. Assuming that AA was started to reverse the discrimination toward black students generations earlier - and that the effect of that discrimination has impacted black kids today - affluent black children are not among that group. Their parents, or even grandparents, went to college.

3) On the white side, the children living in poor rural areas OR in the inner-city (since not everyone in the inner-city is black) will also gain. They too have been disadvantaged in life via their poor, uneducated parents - and the top 5% of them, who got top grades and entrance scores despite the hardships, should also benefit from an "assist".

4) Combining academic achievement (the 5%) with low SES (the income requirement) helps the students that a FAIR-MINDED individual would want to help, black, white, or green.

5) To those arguing that this is an attempt to keep blacks "in their place," how so? To the contrary, a low SES hits black families to a much greater degree than white families, and thus this proposal would still see that AA policies disproportionally assist them. Beyond that, the proposal would PAY for their college!

6) Finally, the only black kids this would adversely affect are the ones, who I mentioned, whose parents are educated professionals. These kids have advantages that the poor - white and black - do not have, including access to private tutors if needed and even better caliber private schools.

I still say this proposal is much more fair than the current AA policies. It factors together low SES and academic achievement and still, indirectly, disproportionately provides an assist to blacks. It merely gives poor whites (those who have excelled in high schoo) better access to higher education, which could otherwise be beyond their reach due to financial pressures.

Why does your post sound racist?
- You are focused on eliminating opportunities/preferences ONLY for blacks. Not other URMs, athletes, legacies, musicians, women, etc.

- Because you could propose this plan and still keep race as a factor. You want to completely eliminate it as if there still isn't a great amount of underlying racism in our country. We still have huge opportunity/achievement gaps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, in western culture there is White privilege. In eastern culture there is Asian privilege. Why is that?

In the Middle East, there is rich male, Muslim privilege. Why is that?

In India there are castes, with certain castes having much greater privilege than others. Why is that?

Why is there ever privilege and why does it persist?

Answering this question and then pursuing in the manner by which those groups gained their privilege is the only way another group’s status will rise. I can tell you that none of those groups became privileged by having an affirmative action program. AA programs inherently say the following, without admitting it, “you’re not as good as the rest of us, so we’re going to give you an unfair paper advantage, based not on merit but on a natural born trait.” This does two things: it reinforces to the oppressed that they are not considered equal and cannot compete on level terms and makes the privileged class resent the underprivileged even more. While it may have some success stories, it has a net negative affect overall.

How dare you compare Whitness and its violence to social issues in the Middle East and India?!? Where is the Lebanese Empire? The Indian colonies? Are their slaves in Iraq? Who is more likely to be assaulted, a young woman in Manhattan or Riyadh?

White culture = Violence

If you truly believe that, and you choose to live here, you are deeply dumb.

No affirmative action will ever help you. Other than a one-way ticket to the non-white country of your choosing.

PP doesn't have to wait long for things to change:
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/05/17/explaining-why-minority-births-now-outnumber-white-births/

What many anglos don't seem to realize is that most Hispanics are fully or partially white on racial terms, so this anti-white obsession sounds completely foreign (and quite stupid) to us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, in western culture there is White privilege. In eastern culture there is Asian privilege. Why is that?

In the Middle East, there is rich male, Muslim privilege. Why is that?

In India there are castes, with certain castes having much greater privilege than others. Why is that?

Why is there ever privilege and why does it persist?

Answering this question and then pursuing in the manner by which those groups gained their privilege is the only way another group’s status will rise. I can tell you that none of those groups became privileged by having an affirmative action program. AA programs inherently say the following, without admitting it, “you’re not as good as the rest of us, so we’re going to give you an unfair paper advantage, based not on merit but on a natural born trait.” This does two things: it reinforces to the oppressed that they are not considered equal and cannot compete on level terms and makes the privileged class resent the underprivileged even more. While it may have some success stories, it has a net negative affect overall.

How dare you compare Whitness and its violence to social issues in the Middle East and India?!? Where is the Lebanese Empire? The Indian colonies? Are their slaves in Iraq? Who is more likely to be assaulted, a young woman in Manhattan or Riyadh?

White culture = Violence

If you truly believe that, and you choose to live here, you are deeply dumb.

No affirmative action will ever help you. Other than a one-way ticket to the non-white country of your choosing.

PP doesn't have to wait long for things to change:
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/05/17/explaining-why-minority-births-now-outnumber-white-births/

What many anglos don't seem to realize is that most Hispanics are fully or partially white on racial terms, so this anti-white obsession sounds completely foreign (and quite stupid) to us.

Do you think 08:14 considers Hispanics to be white?

Do you think Trump considers the illegal aliens to be white?

Do you think the white supremacists and garden-variety racists consider Hispanics to be white?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, in western culture there is White privilege. In eastern culture there is Asian privilege. Why is that?

In the Middle East, there is rich male, Muslim privilege. Why is that?

In India there are castes, with certain castes having much greater privilege than others. Why is that?

Why is there ever privilege and why does it persist?

Answering this question and then pursuing in the manner by which those groups gained their privilege is the only way another group’s status will rise. I can tell you that none of those groups became privileged by having an affirmative action program. AA programs inherently say the following, without admitting it, “you’re not as good as the rest of us, so we’re going to give you an unfair paper advantage, based not on merit but on a natural born trait.” This does two things: it reinforces to the oppressed that they are not considered equal and cannot compete on level terms and makes the privileged class resent the underprivileged even more. While it may have some success stories, it has a net negative affect overall.

How dare you compare Whitness and its violence to social issues in the Middle East and India?!? Where is the Lebanese Empire? The Indian colonies? Are their slaves in Iraq? Who is more likely to be assaulted, a young woman in Manhattan or Riyadh?

White culture = Violence

If you truly believe that, and you choose to live here, you are deeply dumb.

No affirmative action will ever help you. Other than a one-way ticket to the non-white country of your choosing.

PP doesn't have to wait long for things to change:
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/05/17/explaining-why-minority-births-now-outnumber-white-births/

What many anglos don't seem to realize is that most Hispanics are fully or partially white on racial terms, so this anti-white obsession sounds completely foreign (and quite stupid) to us.

Do you think 08:14 considers Hispanics to be white?

Do you think Trump considers the illegal aliens to be white?

Do you think the white supremacists and garden-variety racists consider Hispanics to be white?

While Obama deported 4 million immigrants, largely Hispanic and Asian, do you think Dems and the media and YOU viewed us as people of color?

Point is, we don't fall neatly into your racist thinking. The world doesn't fall neatly into outdated US racist thinking.

Time to, as OP says, prioritize SES over skin color in affirmative action.