Affirmative Action should be income-based, not race-based

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Anonymous wrote:Actually, the drop-out rate for blacks is disappointing. Less than half who enter graduate within six years, whereas the majority of whites do.

Which brings up another consideration....besides being unfair to whites with better grades, is it to the benefit of the taxpayers to fund black stidents admitted under the lower AA standards with Pell grants, subsidized federal loans, and so forth? Or, for that matter, is it doing a disservice to let black kids into a competitive program to which they not qualify without the AA "boost" - only for them to take in loans, drop out, and have no degree to show for it?

Wouldn't it be better for these students for them to be admitted under their own merits to whatever achool they would normally qualify for? That way, they are with their peer group - in terms of academic achievement - and more likely to complete the program and earn a college-level salary?

+1.

The whole thing ia a diagrace.

For whites and for blacks and for Asian Americans and for Hispanics.

Time to move on.

Yes, and what's also disgraceful is when a black poster* says that high-achieving white kids rejected as a result need to STFU about it, or another poster refers to "white trash," or still another say that the smart, top-scoring white kid needs to suck it up at community college so that a mediocre minority can go the a 4-year University,

*I assume that poster was black. I can't see how a white person would say that white peoples need to STFU.

“Disgraceful”?

It’s disgraceful that racist POSs like you walk on earth.

ME???? I don't hear you calling the liberal calling low-income Caucasians "white trash". Or that white people need to STFU. Or that white people can just go to community college so blacks can go to university.

Now what would be racist would be if someone were to call low-income blacks "black scum". Or the black people need to STFU. Or that black people can just go to community college and let the whites go to university.

See how that works, you racist POS.

I DGAF what the other posters say. I’m calling YOU out for your bad actions. YOU want to shit all over black people. That makes YOU a racist POS. YOU are disgraceful.

You nasty liberals are really impossible. How is wanting to include poor whites in AA, rather than reserving all benefits to blacks, racist?

And it's very telling how tolerant you are with posters who call low-income whites "white trash" and tell whites to STFU. You are a BIG anti-white racist. YOU are disgraceful.

Clap clap clap clap

Thank you! I am really getting exasperated with this poster who is so tolerant of people calling disadvantaged white people "white trash" and yet admonishes someone who wants to give poor whites a chance a racist.

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Anonymous wrote:Actually, the drop-out rate for blacks is disappointing. Less than half who enter graduate within six years, whereas the majority of whites do.

Which brings up another consideration....besides being unfair to whites with better grades, is it to the benefit of the taxpayers to fund black stidents admitted under the lower AA standards with Pell grants, subsidized federal loans, and so forth? Or, for that matter, is it doing a disservice to let black kids into a competitive program to which they not qualify without the AA "boost" - only for them to take in loans, drop out, and have no degree to show for it?

Wouldn't it be better for these students for them to be admitted under their own merits to whatever achool they would normally qualify for? That way, they are with their peer group - in terms of academic achievement - and more likely to complete the program and earn a college-level salary?

+1.

The whole thing ia a diagrace.

For whites and for blacks and for Asian Americans and for Hispanics.

Time to move on.

Yes, and what's also disgraceful is when a black poster* says that high-achieving white kids rejected as a result need to STFU about it, or another poster refers to "white trash," or still another say that the smart, top-scoring white kid needs to suck it up at community college so that a mediocre minority can go the a 4-year University,

*I assume that poster was black. I can't see how a white person would say that white peoples need to STFU.

“Disgraceful”?

It’s disgraceful that racist POSs like you walk on earth.

ME???? I don't hear you calling the liberal calling low-income Caucasians "white trash". Or that white people need to STFU. Or that white people can just go to community college so blacks can go to university.

Now what would be racist would be if someone were to call low-income blacks "black scum". Or the black people need to STFU. Or that black people can just go to community college and let the whites go to university.

See how that works, you racist POS.

I DGAF what the other posters say. I’m calling YOU out for your bad actions. YOU want to shit all over black people. That makes YOU a racist POS. YOU are disgraceful.

You nasty liberals are really impossible. How is wanting to include poor whites in AA, rather than reserving all benefits to blacks, racist?

And it's very telling how tolerant you are with posters who call low-income whites "white trash" and tell whites to STFU. You are a BIG anti-white racist. YOU are disgraceful.

Clap clap clap clap

Such an original response.

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Anonymous wrote:Actually, the drop-out rate for blacks is disappointing. Less than half who enter graduate within six years, whereas the majority of whites do.

Which brings up another consideration....besides being unfair to whites with better grades, is it to the benefit of the taxpayers to fund black stidents admitted under the lower AA standards with Pell grants, subsidized federal loans, and so forth? Or, for that matter, is it doing a disservice to let black kids into a competitive program to which they not qualify without the AA "boost" - only for them to take in loans, drop out, and have no degree to show for it?

Wouldn't it be better for these students for them to be admitted under their own merits to whatever achool they would normally qualify for? That way, they are with their peer group - in terms of academic achievement - and more likely to complete the program and earn a college-level salary?

+1.

The whole thing ia a diagrace.

For whites and for blacks and for Asian Americans and for Hispanics.

Time to move on.

Yes, and what's also disgraceful is when a black poster* says that high-achieving white kids rejected as a result need to STFU about it, or another poster refers to "white trash," or still another say that the smart, top-scoring white kid needs to suck it up at community college so that a mediocre minority can go the a 4-year University,

*I assume that poster was black. I can't see how a white person would say that white peoples need to STFU.

“Disgraceful”?

It’s disgraceful that racist POSs like you walk on earth.

ME???? I don't hear you calling the liberal calling low-income Caucasians "white trash". Or that white people need to STFU. Or that white people can just go to community college so blacks can go to university.

Now what would be racist would be if someone were to call low-income blacks "black scum". Or the black people need to STFU. Or that black people can just go to community college and let the whites go to university.

See how that works, you racist POS.

I DGAF what the other posters say. I’m calling YOU out for your bad actions. YOU want to shit all over black people. That makes YOU a racist POS. YOU are disgraceful.

You nasty liberals are really impossible. How is wanting to include poor whites in AA, rather than reserving all benefits to blacks, racist?

And it's very telling how tolerant you are with posters who call low-income whites "white trash" and tell whites to STFU. You are a BIG anti-white racist. YOU are disgraceful.

Clap clap clap clap

Thank you! I am really getting exasperated with this poster who is so tolerant of people calling disadvantaged white people "white trash" and yet admonishes someone who wants to give poor whites a chance a racist.

Uh, is this person “clapping” sarcastically?

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Anonymous wrote:Actually, the drop-out rate for blacks is disappointing. Less than half who enter graduate within six years, whereas the majority of whites do.

Which brings up another consideration....besides being unfair to whites with better grades, is it to the benefit of the taxpayers to fund black stidents admitted under the lower AA standards with Pell grants, subsidized federal loans, and so forth? Or, for that matter, is it doing a disservice to let black kids into a competitive program to which they not qualify without the AA "boost" - only for them to take in loans, drop out, and have no degree to show for it?

Wouldn't it be better for these students for them to be admitted under their own merits to whatever achool they would normally qualify for? That way, they are with their peer group - in terms of academic achievement - and more likely to complete the program and earn a college-level salary?

+1.

The whole thing ia a diagrace.

For whites and for blacks and for Asian Americans and for Hispanics.

Time to move on.

Yes, and what's also disgraceful is when a black poster* says that high-achieving white kids rejected as a result need to STFU about it, or another poster refers to "white trash," or still another say that the smart, top-scoring white kid needs to suck it up at community college so that a mediocre minority can go the a 4-year University,

*I assume that poster was black. I can't see how a white person would say that white peoples need to STFU.

“Disgraceful”?

It’s disgraceful that racist POSs like you walk on earth.

ME???? I don't hear you calling the liberal calling low-income Caucasians "white trash". Or that white people need to STFU. Or that white people can just go to community college so blacks can go to university.

Now what would be racist would be if someone were to call low-income blacks "black scum". Or the black people need to STFU. Or that black people can just go to community college and let the whites go to university.

See how that works, you racist POS.

I DGAF what the other posters say. I’m calling YOU out for your bad actions. YOU want to shit all over black people. That makes YOU a racist POS. YOU are disgraceful.

You nasty liberals are really impossible. How is wanting to include poor whites in AA, rather than reserving all benefits to blacks, racist?

And it's very telling how tolerant you are with posters who call low-income whites "white trash" and tell whites to STFU. You are a BIG anti-white racist. YOU are disgraceful.

Clap clap clap clap

Such an original response.

And calling people racist POS is so original?

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Anonymous wrote:Actually, the drop-out rate for blacks is disappointing. Less than half who enter graduate within six years, whereas the majority of whites do.

Which brings up another consideration....besides being unfair to whites with better grades, is it to the benefit of the taxpayers to fund black stidents admitted under the lower AA standards with Pell grants, subsidized federal loans, and so forth? Or, for that matter, is it doing a disservice to let black kids into a competitive program to which they not qualify without the AA "boost" - only for them to take in loans, drop out, and have no degree to show for it?

Wouldn't it be better for these students for them to be admitted under their own merits to whatever achool they would normally qualify for? That way, they are with their peer group - in terms of academic achievement - and more likely to complete the program and earn a college-level salary?

+1.

The whole thing ia a diagrace.

For whites and for blacks and for Asian Americans and for Hispanics.

Time to move on.

Yes, and what's also disgraceful is when a black poster* says that high-achieving white kids rejected as a result need to STFU about it, or another poster refers to "white trash," or still another say that the smart, top-scoring white kid needs to suck it up at community college so that a mediocre minority can go the a 4-year University,

*I assume that poster was black. I can't see how a white person would say that white peoples need to STFU.

“Disgraceful”?

It’s disgraceful that racist POSs like you walk on earth.

ME???? I don't hear you calling the liberal calling low-income Caucasians "white trash". Or that white people need to STFU. Or that white people can just go to community college so blacks can go to university.

Now what would be racist would be if someone were to call low-income blacks "black scum". Or the black people need to STFU. Or that black people can just go to community college and let the whites go to university.

See how that works, you racist POS.

I DGAF what the other posters say. I’m calling YOU out for your bad actions. YOU want to shit all over black people. That makes YOU a racist POS. YOU are disgraceful.

You nasty liberals are really impossible. How is wanting to include poor whites in AA, rather than reserving all benefits to blacks, racist?

And it's very telling how tolerant you are with posters who call low-income whites "white trash" and tell whites to STFU. You are a BIG anti-white racist. YOU are disgraceful.

Clap clap clap clap

Thank you! I am really getting exasperated with this poster who is so tolerant of people calling disadvantaged white people "white trash" and yet admonishes someone who wants to give poor whites a chance a racist.

Uh, is this person “clapping” sarcastically?

Of course not. The only one who would think that would be an arrogant liberal.

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Anonymous wrote:Actually, the drop-out rate for blacks is disappointing. Less than half who enter graduate within six years, whereas the majority of whites do.

Which brings up another consideration....besides being unfair to whites with better grades, is it to the benefit of the taxpayers to fund black stidents admitted under the lower AA standards with Pell grants, subsidized federal loans, and so forth? Or, for that matter, is it doing a disservice to let black kids into a competitive program to which they not qualify without the AA "boost" - only for them to take in loans, drop out, and have no degree to show for it?

Wouldn't it be better for these students for them to be admitted under their own merits to whatever achool they would normally qualify for? That way, they are with their peer group - in terms of academic achievement - and more likely to complete the program and earn a college-level salary?

+1.

The whole thing ia a diagrace.

For whites and for blacks and for Asian Americans and for Hispanics.

Time to move on.

Yes, and what's also disgraceful is when a black poster* says that high-achieving white kids rejected as a result need to STFU about it, or another poster refers to "white trash," or still another say that the smart, top-scoring white kid needs to suck it up at community college so that a mediocre minority can go the a 4-year University,

*I assume that poster was black. I can't see how a white person would say that white peoples need to STFU.

“Disgraceful”?

It’s disgraceful that racist POSs like you walk on earth.

ME???? I don't hear you calling the liberal calling low-income Caucasians "white trash". Or that white people need to STFU. Or that white people can just go to community college so blacks can go to university.

Now what would be racist would be if someone were to call low-income blacks "black scum". Or the black people need to STFU. Or that black people can just go to community college and let the whites go to university.

See how that works, you racist POS.

I DGAF what the other posters say. I’m calling YOU out for your bad actions. YOU want to shit all over black people. That makes YOU a racist POS. YOU are disgraceful.

You nasty liberals are really impossible. How is wanting to include poor whites in AA, rather than reserving all benefits to blacks, racist?

And it's very telling how tolerant you are with posters who call low-income whites "white trash" and tell whites to STFU. You are a BIG anti-white racist. YOU are disgraceful.

Clap clap clap clap

Such an original response.

And calling people racist POS is so original?

No, sorry. Thought you were being sarcastic. I’m actually on your side. It’s disgusting and hypocritical to call people white trash while acting like you are an enlightened savior for POC.

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Anonymous wrote:Actually, the drop-out rate for blacks is disappointing. Less than half who enter graduate within six years, whereas the majority of whites do.

Which brings up another consideration....besides being unfair to whites with better grades, is it to the benefit of the taxpayers to fund black stidents admitted under the lower AA standards with Pell grants, subsidized federal loans, and so forth? Or, for that matter, is it doing a disservice to let black kids into a competitive program to which they not qualify without the AA "boost" - only for them to take in loans, drop out, and have no degree to show for it?

Wouldn't it be better for these students for them to be admitted under their own merits to whatever achool they would normally qualify for? That way, they are with their peer group - in terms of academic achievement - and more likely to complete the program and earn a college-level salary?

+1.

The whole thing ia a diagrace.

For whites and for blacks and for Asian Americans and for Hispanics.

Time to move on.

Yes, and what's also disgraceful is when a black poster* says that high-achieving white kids rejected as a result need to STFU about it, or another poster refers to "white trash," or still another say that the smart, top-scoring white kid needs to suck it up at community college so that a mediocre minority can go the a 4-year University,

*I assume that poster was black. I can't see how a white person would say that white peoples need to STFU.

“Disgraceful”?

It’s disgraceful that racist POSs like you walk on earth.

ME???? I don't hear you calling the liberal calling low-income Caucasians "white trash". Or that white people need to STFU. Or that white people can just go to community college so blacks can go to university.

Now what would be racist would be if someone were to call low-income blacks "black scum". Or the black people need to STFU. Or that black people can just go to community college and let the whites go to university.

See how that works, you racist POS.

I DGAF what the other posters say. I’m calling YOU out for your bad actions. YOU want to shit all over black people. That makes YOU a racist POS. YOU are disgraceful.

You nasty liberals are really impossible. How is wanting to include poor whites in AA, rather than reserving all benefits to blacks, racist?

And it's very telling how tolerant you are with posters who call low-income whites "white trash" and tell whites to STFU. You are a BIG anti-white racist. YOU are disgraceful.

Clap clap clap clap

Thank you! I am really getting exasperated with this poster who is so tolerant of people calling disadvantaged white people "white trash" and yet admonishes someone who wants to give poor whites a chance a racist.

Why do you think poor whites AREN’T getting a chance? You have yet to provide any data to support that.

And if you want to give those poor white kids a chance then why are you so focused on removing just the black kids? There are plenty of other kids getting some kind of preference. Athletes. Musicians. Legacies. International.

Why are positioning this as MC black vs poor white when there is zero evidence that these are the same kids competing for the same spots? Seems like you just want to stir the racial pot.

Race baiting.
Focusing only on black kids.

Why wouldn’t we think you’re a racist?

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Anonymous wrote:Actually, the drop-out rate for blacks is disappointing. Less than half who enter graduate within six years, whereas the majority of whites do.

Which brings up another consideration....besides being unfair to whites with better grades, is it to the benefit of the taxpayers to fund black stidents admitted under the lower AA standards with Pell grants, subsidized federal loans, and so forth? Or, for that matter, is it doing a disservice to let black kids into a competitive program to which they not qualify without the AA "boost" - only for them to take in loans, drop out, and have no degree to show for it?

Wouldn't it be better for these students for them to be admitted under their own merits to whatever achool they would normally qualify for? That way, they are with their peer group - in terms of academic achievement - and more likely to complete the program and earn a college-level salary?

+1.

The whole thing ia a diagrace.

For whites and for blacks and for Asian Americans and for Hispanics.

Time to move on.

Yes, and what's also disgraceful is when a black poster* says that high-achieving white kids rejected as a result need to STFU about it, or another poster refers to "white trash," or still another say that the smart, top-scoring white kid needs to suck it up at community college so that a mediocre minority can go the a 4-year University,

*I assume that poster was black. I can't see how a white person would say that white peoples need to STFU.

“Disgraceful”?

It’s disgraceful that racist POSs like you walk on earth.

ME???? I don't hear you calling the liberal calling low-income Caucasians "white trash". Or that white people need to STFU. Or that white people can just go to community college so blacks can go to university.

Now what would be racist would be if someone were to call low-income blacks "black scum". Or the black people need to STFU. Or that black people can just go to community college and let the whites go to university.

See how that works, you racist POS.

I DGAF what the other posters say. I’m calling YOU out for your bad actions. YOU want to shit all over black people. That makes YOU a racist POS. YOU are disgraceful.

You nasty liberals are really impossible. How is wanting to include poor whites in AA, rather than reserving all benefits to blacks, racist?

And it's very telling how tolerant you are with posters who call low-income whites "white trash" and tell whites to STFU. You are a BIG anti-white racist. YOU are disgraceful.

Clap clap clap clap

Thank you! I am really getting exasperated with this poster who is so tolerant of people calling disadvantaged white people "white trash" and yet admonishes someone who wants to give poor whites a chance a racist.

I’m not the thread police. I’m not responsible for addressing all of the crappy posts on DCUM. Take some initiative and call out the white trash poster yourself. You need everything done for you?

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Anonymous wrote:For a number of reasons, I think some form of race-based affirmative action probably makes sense. At the same time, I get why some think it’s unfair.

That said, I struggle to understand why white people care so much. I mean, If you’re a white kid kept out of Harvard by affirmative action, where do you end up going? Brown? Cornell? Georgetown? Is that really so bad?

This just feels like another parable about the power of marketing—here, the universities’.

You're assuming that the white kids rejected in favor of black kids with worse grades are getting into a comparable institution. If all institutions are favoring minorities, the white kid runs into the same problem - and, depending on the program, may not get accepted at all. That's why there are so many white kids with a 3.7 rejected from all med schools, while a minority with a 3.4 gets acceptances from multiple schools.

No I’m not. Harvard is better than those schools.

Thing is, Harvard won't be better if it keeps admitting under-qualified people who only take easy nonsense majors.

And the qualified ones who are financially successful won't donate to a uni that hates them.

Have you seen the garbage the current Harvard Dean is on the record saying and doing? No thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:For a number of reasons, I think some form of race-based affirmative action probably makes sense. At the same time, I get why some think it’s unfair.

That said, I struggle to understand why white people care so much. I mean, If you’re a white kid kept out of Harvard by affirmative action, where do you end up going? Brown? Cornell? Georgetown? Is that really so bad?

This just feels like another parable about the power of marketing—here, the universities’.

You're assuming that the white kids rejected in favor of black kids with worse grades are getting into a comparable institution. If all institutions are favoring minorities, the white kid runs into the same problem - and, depending on the program, may not get accepted at all. That's why there are so many white kids with a 3.7 rejected from all med schools, while a minority with a 3.4 gets acceptances from multiple schools.

No I’m not. Harvard is better than those schools.

What are you talking about? You're acting as if a white kid with excellent grades and scores gets bumped out of a top school due to the lower standards for minorities, he'll get into SOME sort of decent school. I am telling you that it is so bad that WHITE students with a 3.6 applying to med school will be laughed out by virtually every med school in the country, whereas a black kid with a 3.3 still has a very good chance of getting accepted.

But what you are saying is just racist bullshit. My daughter and dozens of her classmates and friends in DC, Montgomery County, and NOVA, public & private schools, rich, middle, working class, white, black, Hispanic, Asian, all got into exactly the level of schools they deserved to get into. I can’t think of one person who had to drop down a level or anyone who was in over his/her head. You are exaggerating everything way beyond reality to incite racial grievance. You remind me of David Duke with this bullshit.

We don't see that. And my spouse and I both alumni interview.

We see a racially, SES, and gender curated class that backs in to a 6-7% acceptance rate for each individual school, system and geo area. Good luck!

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think schools should be compelled to make up their classes based on some sort of formula using only academic test scores? Harvard (and everyone else) is trying to come up with some sort of ideal class composition that happens along multiple axes (race being one but far from the only). They have a secret sauce that they protect so that if you are offered admission, your peers and experience will give you the exposure they want for you in your four years. So they want kids they identify as “smart” or “going to make an impact” in some way other than only using GPAs and test scores. This is why this idea of “taking someone else’s spot” is so bizarre. Even if they didn’t take the black kid, they wouldn’t want your kid with the higher stats because nothing distinguishes them from the other members of the class.

It's not so secret nor noble after the sauce got subpoenaed in the Boston court system for discriminating against Asians. It's on full, disgusting display now.

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This is a teachable moment for holders of white privilege. Check yourselves.

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Get woke like titania mcgrath.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a teachable moment for holders of white privilege. Check yourselves.

Ha ha! Yeah, sure. Thanks for the PSA.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a teachable moment for holders of white privilege. Check yourselves.

With white privileged, why would I need a teachable moment from a lesser sort?