More defections from DA to ECNL

[Anonymous]

DA guy

Skip all YNT games as well. No fans in the stands
Skip college as well. Barely any fans in stands.
Skip NWSL games as well. More fans at a local HS football game.

Matter of fact, don't let your kid sign that pro contract for 50,000. Complete waste.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DORRANCE: Dorrance, who coached the U.S. to the inaugural Women’s World Cup tile in 1991, is among those unhappy with the in-fighting.

“Please don’t try and pretend because 70 percent of the players on a youth national team are from the DA, you’re developing them,” he told Soccer America. “You and I both know they ripped these kids off from ECNL teams.”

LOL-AGAIN, was there a GDA three years ago? No!

Where else was GDA going to find the players? These statements say nothing about which environment is better long term for elite development. You are reaching.

It's great that ECNL was a past environment for the better girls over the past 10 years. That doesn't equate to it being the best enviroment for the next 20 or beyond.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The ECNL College Impact for the Ivy League Conference includes all players currently active on Ivy League rosters:

Nov. 2018

138 ECNL Alums are currently playing in the Ivy League Conference.
Ivy League Offensive Player of the Year (Mimi Asom), Ivy League Defensive Player of the Year (Camillia Nwokedi) and Ivy League Rookie of the Year (Rebecca Rosen) are ECNL Alums.

6 of 12 players on the All-Ivy League First Team are ECNL Alums.

The Ivy League Conference includes Brown University, Columbia University, Cornell University, Dartmouth College, Harvard University, University of Pennsylvania, Princeton University and Yale University.

It is just stunning that ECNL teams established long before DA have college commitments.

But what does that mean for your 8th grader who is entering into a far more fractured soccer landscape? ECNL, ECNL 2, DA, NPL, EDP and more.

So lets drop all pretenses. Pugh played in ECNL in a very different time. It seems hard to say but 4 years is forever now in youth soccer. She played in High School because she was so good no coach would ever tell her no. She also played in a league that WAS the destination. In fact ECNL was only formed as a reaction of US Soccer's failure to launch a girls DA when they launched the boys. This only illustrates my point about women's sports being marginalized.

My kid isn't national team material and neither is yours. My kid is an above average player but nothing special. I'll presume that your kid is likely pretty similar. There isn't much difference between our kids because there is just nothing special about them. But, for sake of argument, lets just say that both our kids want to play in college. I think this is a safe assumption since they are playing in either DA or ECNL. With the current landscape so fractured just being on the field of an ECNL or DA team is no longer the separator that it once was from say a CCL player. Because with the fractured landscape brings dilution.

When ECNL was King the fact that Pugh played HS was actually noteworthy because HS was frowned upon by ECNL coaches. ECNL coaches discouraged it and as long as they were the only game in town they could get away with it. It was risky for a bench player or a starter to play HS and risk losing ECNL playing time or even a roster spot. ECNL simply saw a market weakness in DA and used it to exploit nostalgia in parents and promote the illusion of "choice" when just 4 years ago the very same league did not provide it openly or as willingly.

ECNL coaches all argued the exact same reasons then to discourage HS soccer as the DA does now. So yes, it is nice that NOW ECNL is suddenly the Champion of choice and HS Soccer but it is simply for money and not your DD's true best interests for their sudden change of heart.

So with all that said, and nearly 200 "Elite" teams between ECNL and DA for college coaches to look at players the ability to stand out is even more difficult than ever before you believe that giving up 4 months of quality training for HS soccer is really worth it?

I'll say Freshman and Senior year sure, but Sophomore and Junior? No way. But, because ECNL has restructured to accommodate the HS schedule, when it did not do so before if you choose ECNL then you just might as well play HS because for those four months there is just really no longer a ECNL option anymore. They have literally turned themselves into a 6 month training environment.

[Anonymous]

We won't know for another 4 years or more what players who went straight into DA at U13 or U14 look like at U19/college age. Do ECNL boosters really think those players are going to be significantly worse than their ECNL counterparts?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You ever stop to think that maybe is not about HS but rather the ECNL team is better than the DA team....so they chose the ECNL team

That's fair. Every player should choose what she thinks is best for her development.

Did you ever stop to think that players choosing DA think it is better for their development? Maybe another ECNL team overall would be better and maybe it wouldn't. That depends on the club we are talking about in each case. That isn't necessarily the right question. Some players may feel their own development is better with a 10 month schedule over a 5-6 month one.

You ever stop to think that no one posted anything about DA players choosing DA? It's the other way around and you are spearheading most of it. So do yourself a favor. Look in the mirror and state the following: "stop contridicting yourself, (insert name)"

The league doesnt matter!!!!

The DA has great teams and awful teams.
The ECNL has great teams and awful teams.
The DA has some great players and mostly average players
The ECNL has some great players and mostly average players.
The DA has some good coaches and bad coaches
The ECNL has some good coaches and bad coaches

The DA has 4 practices. The 4th practice is on Sunday and used a recovery after Saturdays game. It's not a net gain of a training day like others want you to believe. In reality, the DA and ECNL have 3 real training days.

Some ECNL teams have better players, coaches and will beat DA teams...and vice versa.

DA claims 10 months of training. In other words, they play Spring/Fall and futsal in the winter. Players also play other sports like basketball and track, etc. Nothing special. ECNL kids prior to high school are going the same thing. In fact, the majority of kids playing travel soccer are doing the same thing.

In theory, the ECNL players who choose to play HS (majority do) play a 6 month CLUB SEASON because they are participating in high school. HOWEVER, THEY ARE STILL PLAYING SOCCER FOR THOSE OTHER 4 MONTHS AND STILL DOING COLLEGE SHOWCASES WITH THEIR CLUB. TEAMS.

In reality, ECNL kids play more soccer than the DA kids.

Overload, right? Well the majority of DA kids play 10 months plus other sports plus personal training.....and with the newly implemented champions league cup, more games. more travel, and more money.

The ECNL kids playing HS are not getting the same quality of training during those 4 months, right?....TRUE. They are not. No argument there. HOWEVER, MANY OF THE PLAYERS ARE LEARNING TO PLAY UP AGAINST OLDER KIDS. Much like college...but let me guess, college sucks as well, right?

Maybe it's not considered good soccer. However, that's not the point.

Club sports will typically be better than HS sports IN EVERY SPORT. However, that's not the point.

99.99 percent of players will never get a NT call up.
7 percent will play college soccer.
2 percent will play D1 college soccer.
5 percent will play D2 and D3.

1,156 players in the Girls ECNL Class of 2019 will go on to play soccer at the collegiate level this fall, with 847 players committed to play in NCAA Division I programs.

Playing college soccer is Elite. The above stats prove it. That is the end goal for the vast majority of college

You ever stop to think I don't disagree with that? Or that I find this whole constant ECNl vs DA Internet war meaningless?

Pick the best you can for your DD and don't find validation by patch.

[Anonymous]

Or that some kids really have zero interest in high school soccer? That is a huge point high school boosters keep ignoring.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DORRANCE: Dorrance, who coached the U.S. to the inaugural Women’s World Cup tile in 1991, is among those unhappy with the in-fighting.

“Please don’t try and pretend because 70 percent of the players on a youth national team are from the DA, you’re developing them,” he told Soccer America. “You and I both know they ripped these kids off from ECNL teams.”

LOL-AGAIN, was there a GDA three years ago? No!

Where else was GDA going to find the players? These statements say nothing about which environment is better long term for elite development. You are reaching.

It's great that ECNL was a past environment for the better girls over the past 10 years. That doesn't equate to it being the best enviroment for the next 20 or beyond.

What time does your kid play in Colorado?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We won't know for another 4 years or more what players who went straight into DA at U13 or U14 look like at U19/college age. Do ECNL boosters really think those players are going to be significantly worse than their ECNL counterparts?

Another incoherent statement. Who are you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You ever stop to think that maybe is not about HS but rather the ECNL team is better than the DA team....so they chose the ECNL team

That's fair. Every player should choose what she thinks is best for her development.

Did you ever stop to think that players choosing DA think it is better for their development? Maybe another ECNL team overall would be better and maybe it wouldn't. That depends on the club we are talking about in each case. That isn't necessarily the right question. Some players may feel their own development is better with a 10 month schedule over a 5-6 month one.

You ever stop to think that no one posted anything about DA players choosing DA? It's the other way around and you are spearheading most of it. So do yourself a favor. Look in the mirror and state the following: "stop contridicting yourself, (insert name)"

The league doesnt matter!!!!

The DA has great teams and awful teams.
The ECNL has great teams and awful teams.
The DA has some great players and mostly average players
The ECNL has some great players and mostly average players.
The DA has some good coaches and bad coaches
The ECNL has some good coaches and bad coaches

The DA has 4 practices. The 4th practice is on Sunday and used a recovery after Saturdays game. It's not a net gain of a training day like others want you to believe. In reality, the DA and ECNL have 3 real training days.

Some ECNL teams have better players, coaches and will beat DA teams...and vice versa.

DA claims 10 months of training. In other words, they play Spring/Fall and futsal in the winter. Players also play other sports like basketball and track, etc. Nothing special. ECNL kids prior to high school are going the same thing. In fact, the majority of kids playing travel soccer are doing the same thing.

In theory, the ECNL players who choose to play HS (majority do) play a 6 month CLUB SEASON because they are participating in high school. HOWEVER, THEY ARE STILL PLAYING SOCCER FOR THOSE OTHER 4 MONTHS AND STILL DOING COLLEGE SHOWCASES WITH THEIR CLUB. TEAMS.

In reality, ECNL kids play more soccer than the DA kids.

Overload, right? Well the majority of DA kids play 10 months plus other sports plus personal training.....and with the newly implemented champions league cup, more games. more travel, and more money.

The ECNL kids playing HS are not getting the same quality of training during those 4 months, right?....TRUE. They are not. No argument there. HOWEVER, MANY OF THE PLAYERS ARE LEARNING TO PLAY UP AGAINST OLDER KIDS. Much like college...but let me guess, college sucks as well, right?

Maybe it's not considered good soccer. However, that's not the point.

Club sports will typically be better than HS sports IN EVERY SPORT. However, that's not the point.

99.99 percent of players will never get a NT call up.
7 percent will play college soccer.
2 percent will play D1 college soccer.
5 percent will play D2 and D3.

1,156 players in the Girls ECNL Class of 2019 will go on to play soccer at the collegiate level this fall, with 847 players committed to play in NCAA Division I programs.

Playing college soccer is Elite. The above stats prove it. That is the end goal for the vast majority of kids.

Are you really this ignorant? What 4th practice is on Sunday? Training is Monday through Thursday.

DA outdoor Training Season skips only July and a month between early December and early January. Futsal is not included but would be additional.

The boys abs girls DA truly trains 4 times a week for 10 months. Anybody telling you otherwise is full of manure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You ever stop to think that maybe is not about HS but rather the ECNL team is better than the DA team....so they chose the ECNL team

That's fair. Every player should choose what she thinks is best for her development.

Did you ever stop to think that players choosing DA think it is better for their development? Maybe another ECNL team overall would be better and maybe it wouldn't. That depends on the club we are talking about in each case. That isn't necessarily the right question. Some players may feel their own development is better with a 10 month schedule over a 5-6 month one.

You ever stop to think that no one posted anything about DA players choosing DA? It's the other way around and you are spearheading most of it. So do yourself a favor. Look in the mirror and state the following: "stop contridicting yourself, (insert name)"

The league doesnt matter!!!!

The DA has great teams and awful teams.
The ECNL has great teams and awful teams.
The DA has some great players and mostly average players
The ECNL has some great players and mostly average players.
The DA has some good coaches and bad coaches
The ECNL has some good coaches and bad coaches

The DA has 4 practices. The 4th practice is on Sunday and used a recovery after Saturdays game. It's not a net gain of a training day like others want you to believe. In reality, the DA and ECNL have 3 real training days.

Some ECNL teams have better players, coaches and will beat DA teams...and vice versa.

DA claims 10 months of training. In other words, they play Spring/Fall and futsal in the winter. Players also play other sports like basketball and track, etc. Nothing special. ECNL kids prior to high school are going the same thing. In fact, the majority of kids playing travel soccer are doing the same thing.

In theory, the ECNL players who choose to play HS (majority do) play a 6 month CLUB SEASON because they are participating in high school. HOWEVER, THEY ARE STILL PLAYING SOCCER FOR THOSE OTHER 4 MONTHS AND STILL DOING COLLEGE SHOWCASES WITH THEIR CLUB. TEAMS.

In reality, ECNL kids play more soccer than the DA kids.

Overload, right? Well the majority of DA kids play 10 months plus other sports plus personal training.....and with the newly implemented champions league cup, more games. more travel, and more money.

The ECNL kids playing HS are not getting the same quality of training during those 4 months, right?....TRUE. They are not. No argument there. HOWEVER, MANY OF THE PLAYERS ARE LEARNING TO PLAY UP AGAINST OLDER KIDS. Much like college...but let me guess, college sucks as well, right?

Maybe it's not considered good soccer. However, that's not the point.

Club sports will typically be better than HS sports IN EVERY SPORT. However, that's not the point.

99.99 percent of players will never get a NT call up.
7 percent will play college soccer.
2 percent will play D1 college soccer.
5 percent will play D2 and D3.

1,156 players in the Girls ECNL Class of 2019 will go on to play soccer at the collegiate level this fall, with 847 players committed to play in NCAA Division I programs.

Playing college soccer is Elite. The above stats prove it. That is the end goal for the vast majority of kids.

Are you really this ignorant? What 4th practice is on Sunday? Training is Monday through Thursday.

DA outdoor Training Season skips only July and a month between early December and early January. Futsal is not included but would be additional.

The boys abs girls DA truly trains 4 times a week for 10 months. Anybody telling you otherwise is full of manure.

m

Are you really this ignorant? What 4th practice is on Sunday? Training is Monday through Thursday.

DA outdoor Training Season skips only July and a month between early December and early January. Futsal is not included but would be additional.

The boys abs girls DA truly trains 4 times a week for 10 months. Anybody telling you otherwise is full of manure

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We won't know for another 4 years or more what players who went straight into DA at U13 or U14 look like at U19/college age. Do ECNL boosters really think those players are going to be significantly worse than their ECNL counterparts?

Boys DA is in its 11year. A player who.enterd at 13 is now 24.
For the first time in nearly 30 years, the US men's team has failed to qualify for the World Cup.

1st Time Ever in the weakest group in the World.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You ever stop to think that maybe is not about HS but rather the ECNL team is better than the DA team....so they chose the ECNL team

That's fair. Every player should choose what she thinks is best for her development.

Did you ever stop to think that players choosing DA think it is better for their development? Maybe another ECNL team overall would be better and maybe it wouldn't. That depends on the club we are talking about in each case. That isn't necessarily the right question. Some players may feel their own development is better with a 10 month schedule over a 5-6 month one.

You ever stop to think that no one posted anything about DA players choosing DA? It's the other way around and you are spearheading most of it. So do yourself a favor. Look in the mirror and state the following: "stop contridicting yourself, (insert name)"

The league doesnt matter!!!!

The DA has great teams and awful teams.
The ECNL has great teams and awful teams.
The DA has some great players and mostly average players
The ECNL has some great players and mostly average players.
The DA has some good coaches and bad coaches
The ECNL has some good coaches and bad coaches

The DA has 4 practices. The 4th practice is on Sunday and used a recovery after Saturdays game. It's not a net gain of a training day like others want you to believe. In reality, the DA and ECNL have 3 real training days.

Some ECNL teams have better players, coaches and will beat DA teams...and vice versa.

DA claims 10 months of training. In other words, they play Spring/Fall and futsal in the winter. Players also play other sports like basketball and track, etc. Nothing special. ECNL kids prior to high school are going the same thing. In fact, the majority of kids playing travel soccer are doing the same thing.

In theory, the ECNL players who choose to play HS (majority do) play a 6 month CLUB SEASON because they are participating in high school. HOWEVER, THEY ARE STILL PLAYING SOCCER FOR THOSE OTHER 4 MONTHS AND STILL DOING COLLEGE SHOWCASES WITH THEIR CLUB. TEAMS.

In reality, ECNL kids play more soccer than the DA kids.

Overload, right? Well the majority of DA kids play 10 months plus other sports plus personal training.....and with the newly implemented champions league cup, more games. more travel, and more money.

The ECNL kids playing HS are not getting the same quality of training during those 4 months, right?....TRUE. They are not. No argument there. HOWEVER, MANY OF THE PLAYERS ARE LEARNING TO PLAY UP AGAINST OLDER KIDS. Much like college...but let me guess, college sucks as well, right?

Maybe it's not considered good soccer. However, that's not the point.

Club sports will typically be better than HS sports IN EVERY SPORT. However, that's not the point.

99.99 percent of players will never get a NT call up.
7 percent will play college soccer.
2 percent will play D1 college soccer.
5 percent will play D2 and D3.

1,156 players in the Girls ECNL Class of 2019 will go on to play soccer at the collegiate level this fall, with 847 players committed to play in NCAA Division I programs.

Playing college soccer is Elite. The above stats prove it. That is the end goal for the vast majority of kids.

Are you really this ignorant? What 4th practice is on Sunday? Training is Monday through Thursday.

DA outdoor Training Season skips only July and a month between early December and early January. Futsal is not included but would be additional.

The boys abs girls DA truly trains 4 times a week for 10 months. Anybody telling you otherwise is full of manure.

m

Are you really this ignorant? What 4th practice is on Sunday? Training is Monday through Thursday.

DA outdoor Training Season skips only July and a month between early December and early January. Futsal is not included but would be additional.

The boys abs girls DA truly trains 4 times a week for 10 months. Anybody telling you otherwise is full of manure

Spirit practices Sunday, Monday, Wednesday, and Thursday.

Everyone say Hello to the FCV or Arlington guy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We won't know for another 4 years or more what players who went straight into DA at U13 or U14 look like at U19/college age. Do ECNL boosters really think those players are going to be significantly worse than their ECNL counterparts?

Boys DA is in its 11year. A player who.enterd at 13 is now 24.
For the first time in nearly 30 years, the US men's team has failed to qualify for the World Cup.

1st Time Ever in the weakest group in the World.

We are caught between one group of players that is too old (Howard, Dempsey, etc.) and one group that isn't old enough yet (Pulisic, McKennie, etc.). If we had nabbed one goal in Trinidad, we were through and then who knows what happens. Are you really going to take this small sample size on the men's side to extrapolate the value of a program on the women's side? As if there are no other factors at work in any way?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We won't know for another 4 years or more what players who went straight into DA at U13 or U14 look like at U19/college age. Do ECNL boosters really think those players are going to be significantly worse than their ECNL counterparts?

Boys DA is in its 11year. A player who.enterd at 13 is now 24.
For the first time in nearly 30 years, the US men's team has failed to qualify for the World Cup.

1st Time Ever in the weakest group in the World.

We are caught between one group of players that is too old (Howard, Dempsey, etc.) and one group that isn't old enough yet (Pulisic, McKennie, etc.). If we had nabbed one goal in Trinidad, we were through and then who knows what happens. Are you really going to take this small sample size on the men's side to extrapolate the value of a program on the women's side? As if there are no other factors at work in any way?

Are you really not?

Trinidad. For real...Trinidad? Tell me, do kids in Trinidad play USSDA? How about kids in Iceland? Ghana? Argentinia? Mexico?

If you believe that a league is going to produce world class players then you need an education on how athletes are developed. Our scouts are lazy and incompetent. Our Federation is lazy and incompetent. The development academy is not an academy at all.

How about our YNT's?

Constantly getting beat by under funded programs?

How about the US YN team getting beat by the Mexican Youth National Teams with American born players who were not good enough for the US YNT. Read that three time and let it sink in

[Anonymous]

I think the last few posters are lost in the wrong thread