Making time for kids? Study says quality trumps quantity

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Anonymous wrote:If so many children are being cared for by non-English speaking caregivers, then why isn't there a crisis in the DC area of American-born children entering kindergarten with broken English skills?

I don't think all those ESOL classes are full of daycare kids.

Wow, it's amazing how far some people will go in claiming daycare is awful in order to justify their own choice in how to raise their children. If you are so pleased as punch with yourselves for being SAHM then just be happy with that. Why are you trying so very hard to prove your way is better?

Plenty of SAHMs are well adjusted, educated, and secure in their life choices. But wow ... some literally have nothing going for them so their entire identity is wrapped up in SAH. My guess is that these are the SAHMs who cannot find a job that will cover the cost of quality childcare or who have absentee spouses so they are default single parents. I feel sorry for your children that your entire self esteem is wrapped up in being a "better" parent than everyone else. The same goes for working moms who get their self esteem from their career and tell SAHMs they are worthless.

To all you normal moms, this post isn't about you. Most of us also have identities (hobbies, possibly careers, volunteer activities, loving marriages, etc.) and don't need to resort to shaming other moms to feel good about ourselves. I wish we could start our own forum and kick out the zealots.


Hello. There IS a crisis. It's politely called "special needs." Speech therapy galore.


Funny how I know SAHMs whose kids have speech and language issues. What can they blame it on if these problems are allegedly caused by childcare? Also, the child mind is much more adept at picking up differences and adapting to hearing multiple languages. I have never seen a single study claim children being exposed to multiple languages are somehow harmed. In fact the opposite is quite true.

I don't care WHO is supposed to be doing the care, but POOR quality care usually has POOR quality results.
Agree?

At least one person here seems to have missed my above comment.
And no, I'm not done here.

Plus, I don't think all the "special needs" children in speech therapy suddenly inherited their parents bad genes. Either too much TV or poor quality care during the first three foundational years of life. Or both. So sad.



Wait. You're blaming SN parents for causing their children's special needs by letting them watch too much TV or leaving them in a bad daycare?

You are too much of a jerk to be an actual human being. The SN parents I know work harder than anyone else I've ever met -- 24/7.

You're despicable. Please go somewhere and try and find a soul.

Calm down, lady. Let's focus on taking some appropriate responsibility rather than "blaming" anyone.

Here's the question:
Do you believe children with broken-English (at best) primary caregivers, are likely to have a solid command of language by age three?



You are fucking crazy. Seriously. I debated with you a few days ago then let the thread - come back and you're at it with others. What is your end game here?


Nope, sorry - different person you're now "debating". Might want to stop assuming only one person holds any given opinion.
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Anonymous wrote:If so many children are being cared for by non-English speaking caregivers, then why isn't there a crisis in the DC area of American-born children entering kindergarten with broken English skills?

I don't think all those ESOL classes are full of daycare kids.

Wow, it's amazing how far some people will go in claiming daycare is awful in order to justify their own choice in how to raise their children. If you are so pleased as punch with yourselves for being SAHM then just be happy with that. Why are you trying so very hard to prove your way is better?

Plenty of SAHMs are well adjusted, educated, and secure in their life choices. But wow ... some literally have nothing going for them so their entire identity is wrapped up in SAH. My guess is that these are the SAHMs who cannot find a job that will cover the cost of quality childcare or who have absentee spouses so they are default single parents. I feel sorry for your children that your entire self esteem is wrapped up in being a "better" parent than everyone else. The same goes for working moms who get their self esteem from their career and tell SAHMs they are worthless.

To all you normal moms, this post isn't about you. Most of us also have identities (hobbies, possibly careers, volunteer activities, loving marriages, etc.) and don't need to resort to shaming other moms to feel good about ourselves. I wish we could start our own forum and kick out the zealots.


Hello. There IS a crisis. It's politely called "special needs." Speech therapy galore.


Funny how I know SAHMs whose kids have speech and language issues. What can they blame it on if these problems are allegedly caused by childcare? Also, the child mind is much more adept at picking up differences and adapting to hearing multiple languages. I have never seen a single study claim children being exposed to multiple languages are somehow harmed. In fact the opposite is quite true.

I don't care WHO is supposed to be doing the care, but POOR quality care usually has POOR quality results.
Agree?

At least one person here seems to have missed my above comment.
And no, I'm not done here.

Plus, I don't think all the "special needs" children in speech therapy suddenly inherited their parents bad genes. Either too much TV or poor quality care during the first three foundational years of life. Or both. So sad.



Wait. You're blaming SN parents for causing their children's special needs by letting them watch too much TV or leaving them in a bad daycare?

You are too much of a jerk to be an actual human being. The SN parents I know work harder than anyone else I've ever met -- 24/7.

You're despicable. Please go somewhere and try and find a soul.

Calm down, lady. Let's focus on taking some appropriate responsibility rather than "blaming" anyone.

Here's the question:
Do you believe children with broken-English (at best) primary caregivers, are likely to have a solid command of language by age three?



You are fucking crazy. Seriously. I debated with you a few days ago then let the thread - come back and you're at it with others. What is your end game here?


Nope, sorry - different person you're now "debating". Might want to stop assuming only one person holds any given opinion.


Mhm.
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Anonymous wrote:If so many children are being cared for by non-English speaking caregivers, then why isn't there a crisis in the DC area of American-born children entering kindergarten with broken English skills?

I don't think all those ESOL classes are full of daycare kids.

Wow, it's amazing how far some people will go in claiming daycare is awful in order to justify their own choice in how to raise their children. If you are so pleased as punch with yourselves for being SAHM then just be happy with that. Why are you trying so very hard to prove your way is better?

Plenty of SAHMs are well adjusted, educated, and secure in their life choices. But wow ... some literally have nothing going for them so their entire identity is wrapped up in SAH. My guess is that these are the SAHMs who cannot find a job that will cover the cost of quality childcare or who have absentee spouses so they are default single parents. I feel sorry for your children that your entire self esteem is wrapped up in being a "better" parent than everyone else. The same goes for working moms who get their self esteem from their career and tell SAHMs they are worthless.

To all you normal moms, this post isn't about you. Most of us also have identities (hobbies, possibly careers, volunteer activities, loving marriages, etc.) and don't need to resort to shaming other moms to feel good about ourselves. I wish we could start our own forum and kick out the zealots.


Hello. There IS a crisis. It's politely called "special needs." Speech therapy galore.


Funny how I know SAHMs whose kids have speech and language issues. What can they blame it on if these problems are allegedly caused by childcare? Also, the child mind is much more adept at picking up differences and adapting to hearing multiple languages. I have never seen a single study claim children being exposed to multiple languages are somehow harmed. In fact the opposite is quite true.

I don't care WHO is supposed to be doing the care, but POOR quality care usually has POOR quality results.
Agree?

At least one person here seems to have missed my above comment.
And no, I'm not done here.

Plus, I don't think all the "special needs" children in speech therapy suddenly inherited their parents bad genes. Either too much TV or poor quality care during the first three foundational years of life. Or both. So sad.



Wait. You're blaming SN parents for causing their children's special needs by letting them watch too much TV or leaving them in a bad daycare?

You are too much of a jerk to be an actual human being. The SN parents I know work harder than anyone else I've ever met -- 24/7.

You're despicable. Please go somewhere and try and find a soul.

Calm down, lady. Let's focus on taking some appropriate responsibility rather than "blaming" anyone.

Here's the question:
Do you believe children with broken-English (at best) primary caregivers, are likely to have a solid command of language by age three?



You are fucking crazy. Seriously. I debated with you a few days ago then let the thread - come back and you're at it with others. What is your end game here?


Nope, sorry - different person you're now "debating". Might want to stop assuming only one person holds any given opinion.


Oh good grief- if you're so worried about being mistaken for someone else, sign up for a bloody username!! Seriously, it is not that hard. Otherwise accept that similar posts may be attributed to the same person.
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Anonymous wrote:If so many children are being cared for by non-English speaking caregivers, then why isn't there a crisis in the DC area of American-born children entering kindergarten with broken English skills?

I don't think all those ESOL classes are full of daycare kids.

Wow, it's amazing how far some people will go in claiming daycare is awful in order to justify their own choice in how to raise their children. If you are so pleased as punch with yourselves for being SAHM then just be happy with that. Why are you trying so very hard to prove your way is better?

Plenty of SAHMs are well adjusted, educated, and secure in their life choices. But wow ... some literally have nothing going for them so their entire identity is wrapped up in SAH. My guess is that these are the SAHMs who cannot find a job that will cover the cost of quality childcare or who have absentee spouses so they are default single parents. I feel sorry for your children that your entire self esteem is wrapped up in being a "better" parent than everyone else. The same goes for working moms who get their self esteem from their career and tell SAHMs they are worthless.

To all you normal moms, this post isn't about you. Most of us also have identities (hobbies, possibly careers, volunteer activities, loving marriages, etc.) and don't need to resort to shaming other moms to feel good about ourselves. I wish we could start our own forum and kick out the zealots.


Hello. There IS a crisis. It's politely called "special needs." Speech therapy galore.


Funny how I know SAHMs whose kids have speech and language issues. What can they blame it on if these problems are allegedly caused by childcare? Also, the child mind is much more adept at picking up differences and adapting to hearing multiple languages. I have never seen a single study claim children being exposed to multiple languages are somehow harmed. In fact the opposite is quite true.

I don't care WHO is supposed to be doing the care, but POOR quality care usually has POOR quality results.
Agree?

At least one person here seems to have missed my above comment.
And no, I'm not done here.

Plus, I don't think all the "special needs" children in speech therapy suddenly inherited their parents bad genes. Either too much TV or poor quality care during the first three foundational years of life. Or both. So sad.



Wait. You're blaming SN parents for causing their children's special needs by letting them watch too much TV or leaving them in a bad daycare?

You are too much of a jerk to be an actual human being. The SN parents I know work harder than anyone else I've ever met -- 24/7.

You're despicable. Please go somewhere and try and find a soul.

Calm down, lady. Let's focus on taking some appropriate responsibility rather than "blaming" anyone.

Here's the question:
Do you believe children with broken-English (at best) primary caregivers, are likely to have a solid command of language by age three?



You are fucking crazy. Seriously. I debated with you a few days ago then let the thread - come back and you're at it with others. What is your end game here?


Nope, sorry - different person you're now "debating". Might want to stop assuming only one person holds any given opinion.


Oh good grief- if you're so worried about being mistaken for someone else, sign up for a bloody username!! Seriously, it is not that hard. Otherwise accept that similar posts may be attributed to the same person.


Especially when that person is now saying that kids are speech delayed because of ESOL caregivers. And these are the women who claim they're such a great influence on their snowflakes! I just ... I can't.
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I said POOR quality care usually has POOR quality results.
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Please stop MISquoting me, 8:44.


I think we can all agree - duh.
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Please stop MISquoting me, 8:44.


I think we can all agree - duh.

Wouldn't that be a first?
Then why are so many arguing that quality of care doesn't much matter if the parents really love their child?
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Anonymous wrote:PP, the more you try to convince us all how much more superior and all knowing you are about childcare, the more we all think you are nutso and feel bad for you.

You clearly keep posting because you need to convince yourself of something. You do not sound like a secure person.


Nothing annoys me more than when posters assume it's only one other poster they're responding to. There are mulitple people on this thread, some with (gasp) the same POVs!


Really? Nothing annoys you more than the above? You must not have much to worry about in life. Also, I was responding to the one particularly atrocious SAHM who keeps calling everyone sweetie and such while telling us what bad parents we working moms are. She sounds like a real winner. I'm sure her kids love spending all day with her.


Kind of like that insufferable WOHM who referred to everyone as "Darling" and insisted that SAHMs would never work another day in their lives? Yeah, she sounds like a peach to be around too.


Agree -- Darling and Sweetie should team up together and start a mommy blog about how the rest of us are doing it all wrong.
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Please stop MISquoting me, 8:44.


I think we can all agree - duh.

Wouldn't that be a first?
Then why are so many arguing that quality of care doesn't much matter if the parents really love their child?


Is there someone arguing this? Can you point to that post? It seems to me that some posters area automatically equating caregivers for whom English is a second language with low quality care. Most of us would never make that ridiculous mistake. As for the poster who thinks that speech impediments are due to exposure to secondary English speakers, well honestly I have no idea how to refute that level of ignorance. I suspect that you are not concerned with science, but rather with furthering your agenda. Either way, having everyone respond to that is a waste of their time.
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Please stop MISquoting me, 8:44.


I think we can all agree - duh.

Wouldn't that be a first?
Then why are so many arguing that quality of care doesn't much matter if the parents really love their child?


Is there someone arguing this? Can you point to that post? It seems to me that some posters area automatically equating caregivers for whom English is a second language with low quality care. Most of us would never make that ridiculous mistake. As for the poster who thinks that speech impediments are due to exposure to secondary English speakers, well honestly I have no idea how to refute that level of ignorance. I suspect that you are not concerned with science, but rather with furthering your agenda. Either way, having everyone respond to that is a waste of their time.

I said BROKEN English, Einstein.
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Anonymous wrote:My aunt was a SAHM and 3 of her 5 kids have criminal records. My mother also stayed home and me and all of my siblings turned out well, no records, college educated, etc. Obviously it takes more than just having a SAHM for a child to turn out right.


Well...obviously. But whoever seriously argues that being in daycare at 6 moths old for 8 hours a day (or even younger, or even longer...) is better for a child than being home with Mom or Dad is just delusional. Sure...some don't think they have any other option than to go back to work with their baby barely being born and that's what people argue here. You do NOT have to go back to work when your child is 3 months old. If you choose to, fine. But stop justifying your choice with made up reasoning. We all know you could have stayed home but chose not to.


How wonderful for you that you are so knowledgeable about the financial situation of all working parents. Of course we can all take off as much time as we want! Why didn't I know that? Thank you for enlightening me!

Putting my student loans in forebearance (while they continue to accrue interest) and giving up the awesome healthcare that my job provides sounds like a great option for my family.
Maybe you don't know that broken-English nannies usually are paid only half the regular rate of American educated nannies.

My 22 year old cousin without any real work experience who got knocked up by a married man is going to be moving back in with her parents. She'll be able to spend as much time as she wants taking care of her infant. I guess that would be a preferable situation than having a dual income family with job stability, flexible hours, and parents with graduate defrees.

Oh PP, what would I have ever done without you to tell me what I can and cannot do!



Work from home if you need the money...I know you hadn't thought of that so you're welcome.


I work from home, and I know you hadn't thought of this so you're welcome in advance - most employers require that you show you have childcare if you work from home. Working from home requires actual working, not subsidized, extended maternity leave. It's working. I had to sign a contract that shows that my child is taken care of by someone else during work hours. I know the feds do this too. So your flip solution means nothing.


But your child would be so much better off being plopped in front of the TV while you work rather than spending time with an engaged childcare provider doing language activites, crafts, etc. Children must be with their mothers (not even fathers count according to some PPs) ALL THE TIME during the FORMATIVE years or else you are having someone else raise them. There are no other options that count.


Don't forget that it is also better to spend their days in the carseat, strapped into a gross Target cart, staring glassy-eyed at Mommy drinking her Starbucks etc than engaged with an experienced childcare provider who's an expert in development of kids that age.


Again - hilarious. Why is it that I see plenty of "glassy-eyed" babies and toddlers strapped into their Target (or Wal-Mart) seats while accompanied by their non-English speaking nannies, who are usually on the phone while aimlessly walking the aisles? Why is it that most childcare providers aren't "experts in development of kids," but rather extremely poorly paid, immigrant women with little to no English language skills? Do you really think your child is somehow being stimulated in these situations?


Ahh, the racist bitch again? My kids not with a nanny, btw. High quality childcare centers absolutely do the things pp described. Or do you believe classes are pointless too?


How is pointing out that the vast majority of childcare providers don't speak English as their first language in any way "racist"? You're so ridiculous it's painful.


You're despicable.
- new poster


Over dramatic much? And yet, you still haven't even answered the question: how does plainly speaking the obvious (and the truth), "racist"? Answer: it doesn't. PP is exactly right.


Stop! Please stop. You're being terrible and, I agree, racist and xenophobic.
- SAHM


Curious: if your childcare provider wasn't able to communicate with your child in his/her native language, would this be ok with you?


I know someone who specifically hired a nanny who spoke another language so that her child would learn that language. So for them, it was not only OK but preferred.

See how things work? Different strokes for different folks. If it wasn't Ok with someone they wouldn't hire that childcare provider. Done and done.
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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I've never before posted anything on the WOHP/SAHP debate, but I happened upon this article in my Sunday morning reading and decided to post here since I know it's a popular topic. I thought it might be reassuring to both working moms who feel guilty for working, as well as SAHMs who might rather being working at least part-time but worry about detrimental effects on their children.

As I mentioned in my original post, I'm in a different but related field where years ago I had to be acquainted with studies on maternal employment and its effects on child-related outcomes. I decided to do a quick search just now on the current research since I was curious, and have posted citations for a few more studies below. I did find some older studies that found that maternal employment was harmful for children on some variables (e.g., behavioral problems, vocabulary). However, below is a sampling of more current studies (although by no means a comprehensive review of the literature; I just thought these were interesting).

I'm sorry if some of the language in the abstracts below is a bit technical--I've bolded the main findings in each study for ease.

1) Wills, J. B., & Brauer, J. R. (2012). Have children adapted to their mothers working, or was adaptation unnecessary? Cohort effects and the relationship between maternal employment and child well-being. Social science research, 41(2), 425-443.

Drawing on previous theoretical and empirical work, we posit that maternal employment influences on child well-being vary across birth cohorts. We investigate this possibility by analyzing longitudinal data from a sample of children and their mothers drawn from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth. We introduce a series of age, cohort, and maternal employment interaction terms into multilevel models predicting child well-being to assess whether any potential short-term or long-term effects of early and current maternal employment vary across birth cohorts. Results indicate that maternal employment largely is inconsequential to child well-being regardless of birth cohort, with a few exceptions. For instance, children born in earlier cohorts may have experienced long-term positive effects of having an employed mother; however, as maternal employment became more commonplace in recent cohorts, these beneficial effects appear to have disappeared. We discuss theoretical and methodological implications of these findings.

2) Chatterji, P., Markowitz, S., & Brooks-Gunn, J. (2013). Effects of early maternal employment on maternal health and well-being. Journal of population economics, 26(1), 285-301.

This study uses data from the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development Study on Early Child Care to examine the effects of maternal employment on maternal mental and overall health, self-reported parenting stress, and parenting quality. These outcomes are measured when children are 6 months old. Among mothers of 6-month-old infants, maternal work hours are positively associated with depressive symptoms and parenting stress and negatively associated with self-rated overall health. However, maternal employment is not associated with quality of parenting at 6 months, based on trained assessors' observations of maternal sensitivity.

3) McMunn, A., Kelly, Y., Cable, N., & Bartley, M. (2011). Maternal employment and child socio-emotional behaviour in the UK: longitudinal evidence from the UK Millennium Cohort Study. Journal of epidemiology and community health, jech-2010.

Background Mothers of young children are increasingly combining paid work with childrearing. Empirical evidence on the effects of maternal employment on children is contradictory and little work has considered the impact of maternal employment within the context of the employment patterns of both parents. Methods Data on parental employment across three sweeps (when children were in infancy, age 3 and age 5 y) of the Millennium Cohort Study, a large nationally representative prospective birth cohort study, were used to investigate the relation between parental employment and child socio-emotional behaviour at age 5 years independent of maternal education, maternal depression or household income. The cumulative effect of maternal employment across the early years was investigated. The impact of maternal employment in the first year of life was separately examined as a potentially 'sensitive period'. Results There was no evidence of detrimental effects of maternal employment in the early years on subsequent child socio-emotional behaviour. There were significant gender differences in the effects of parental employment on behavioural outcomes. The most beneficial working arrangement for both girls and boys was that in which both mothers and fathers were present in the household and in paid work independent of maternal educational attainment and household income. Conclusion No detrimental effects of maternal employment in the early years were seen. There were important gender differences in relationships between parental working arrangements and child socio-emotional outcomes.

4) Lombardi, C. M., & Coley, R. L. (2014). Early maternal employment and children’s school readiness in contemporary families. Developmental psychology, 50(8), 2071.

This study assessed whether previous findings linking early maternal employment to lower cognitive and behavioral skills among children generalized to modern families. Using a representative sample of children born in the United States in 2001 (N = 10,100), ordinary least squares regression models weighted with propensity scores assessed links between maternal employment in the 2 years after childbearing and children's school readiness skills at kindergarten. There were neutral associations between maternal employment and children's school readiness, which were not differentiated by maternal time, stress, or wages. However, as nonmaternal household income decreased, maternal employment begun prior to 9 months was linked with higher cognitive skills, while employment begun between 9 and 24 months was linked with lower conduct problems.

5) Hsin, A., & Felfe, C. (2014). When Does Time Matter? Maternal Employment, Children’s Time With Parents, and Child Development. Demography, 51(5), 1867-1894.

This study tests the two assumptions underlying popularly held notions that maternal employment negatively affects children because it reduces time spent with parents: (1) that maternal employment reduces children’s time with parents, and (2) that time with parents affects child outcomes. We analyze children’s time-diary data from the Child Development Supplement of the Panel Study of Income Dynamics and use child fixed-effects and IV estimations to account for unobserved heterogeneity. We find that working mothers trade quantity of time for better “quality” of time. On average, maternal work has no effect on time in activities that positively influence children’s development, but it reduces time in types of activities that may be detrimental to children’s development. Stratification by mothers’ education reveals that although all children, regardless of mother’s education, benefit from spending educational and structured time with their mothers, mothers who are high school graduates have the greatest difficulty balancing work and childcare. We find some evidence that fathers compensate for maternal employment by increasing types of activities that can foster child development as well as types of activities that may be detrimental. Overall, we find that the effects of maternal employment are ambiguous because (1) employment does not necessarily reduce children’s time with parents, and (2) not all types of parental time benefit child development.

6) Goldberg, W. A., & Lucas-Thompson, R. G. (2014). College Women Miss the Mark When Estimating the Impact of Full-Time Maternal Employment on Children’s Achievement and Behavior. Psychology of Women Quarterly, 0361684314529738.

The goals of the current study were to apply the construct of stereotype accuracy to the domain of college women’s perceptions of the effects of full-time maternal employment on children. Both accuracy/inaccuracy and positive/negative direction were examined. Participants were 1,259 college women who provided stereotyped projections about the effects of full-time employment on children’s IQ scores, formal achievement tests, school grades, and internalizing and externalizing behavior problems. Their stereotype effect sizes were compared to meta-analytic effect sizes used to estimate the “actual” effects of maternal employment on children. Individual differences in these stereotypes were also examined. Results indicate that, on average, college women overestimated the negative effects of full-time maternal employment on child outcomes, especially behavior problems. Significant variability in the direction and accuracy of the stereotypes was explained by individual characteristics such as gender ideology, extrinsic work values, and beliefs about the costs of maternal employment. Concerns are that college-educated young women may retreat from the labor force due to stereotypes about the effects of their future employment on children. Efforts by researchers, practitioners, and policy makers should be directed toward disseminating accurate information and dispelling myths about the likely impact of maternal employment on children’s development.


OP here. Reposting my earlier post above in case anyone missed it. I posted a sampling of studies that overall seem to suggest that there are not many differences between having a SAHP and a WOHP on a number of different outcomes of interest (intelligence, child well-being, etc.).

I posted the original Post article hoping it would do more good than harm for those reading. Specifically, I hoped that both mothers that feel guilty about working, and SAHMs who feel guilty about contemplating a return to work, would feel reassured that studies suggest that quality of parental engagement matters more than spending all of your available time with your child(ren). I figured that those who are either happily working or happily staying at home need not read the above, as this is targeted more so to those who may be conflicted about working.

Of course there are extreme cases of parents working crazy hours and not seeing their kids at all, but in the aggregate these data seem to suggest that if kids have a warm, stable environment during the early years, even infancy, that this is what is most important for their later wellbeing.

Of course, there will be some people who read the above and completely disregard the data and choose what they want to believe, as is the case with those who choose not to believe the data re: the safety of vaccines. I didn't post the above data for this group, since there's no convincing them. I posted this solely for parents who might be reassured by the above.
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Anonymous wrote:I said POOR quality care usually has POOR quality results.
Please stop MISquoting me, 8:44.


I think we can all agree - duh.

Wouldn't that be a first?
Then why are so many arguing that quality of care doesn't much matter if the parents really love their child?


NP. Wow. You are really crazy. Nobody is arguing that. Not a single person.

Also, we've used 3 different daycare centers and in all of them, every single woman spoke fluent English -- they've all been American-born black women. Maybe things are different where you are, but in my part of MD, it just isn't true that daycare providers speak "broken English".
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If you can find someone else to do a decent job, fine. Chase your passions. But to leave a baby with the typically overburdened worker (with zero connection to you or your kid) isn't something I can see as being a good thing.
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Anonymous wrote:I said POOR quality care usually has POOR quality results.
Please stop MISquoting me, 8:44.


I think we can all agree - duh.

Wouldn't that be a first?
Then why are so many arguing that quality of care doesn't much matter if the parents really love their child?


Is there someone arguing this? Can you point to that post? It seems to me that some posters area automatically equating caregivers for whom English is a second language with low quality care. Most of us would never make that ridiculous mistake. As for the poster who thinks that speech impediments are due to exposure to secondary English speakers, well honestly I have no idea how to refute that level of ignorance. I suspect that you are not concerned with science, but rather with furthering your agenda. Either way, having everyone respond to that is a waste of their time.

I said BROKEN English, Einstein.


Einstein here. I am afraid I need more enlightenment. Can you please define what you mean by broken English, since apparently you didn't mean English as spoken by non-native speakers?
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