Making time for kids? Study says quality trumps quantity

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Anonymous wrote:If so many children are being cared for by non-English speaking caregivers, then why isn't there a crisis in the DC area of American-born children entering kindergarten with broken English skills?

I don't think all those ESOL classes are full of daycare kids.

Wow, it's amazing how far some people will go in claiming daycare is awful in order to justify their own choice in how to raise their children. If you are so pleased as punch with yourselves for being SAHM then just be happy with that. Why are you trying so very hard to prove your way is better?

Plenty of SAHMs are well adjusted, educated, and secure in their life choices. But wow ... some literally have nothing going for them so their entire identity is wrapped up in SAH. My guess is that these are the SAHMs who cannot find a job that will cover the cost of quality childcare or who have absentee spouses so they are default single parents. I feel sorry for your children that your entire self esteem is wrapped up in being a "better" parent than everyone else. The same goes for working moms who get their self esteem from their career and tell SAHMs they are worthless.

To all you normal moms, this post isn't about you. Most of us also have identities (hobbies, possibly careers, volunteer activities, loving marriages, etc.) and don't need to resort to shaming other moms to feel good about ourselves. I wish we could start our own forum and kick out the zealots.

Hello. There IS a crisis. It's politely called "special needs." Speech therapy galore.

Funny how I know SAHMs whose kids have speech and language issues. What can they blame it on if these problems are allegedly caused by childcare? Also, the child mind is much more adept at picking up differences and adapting to hearing multiple languages. I have never seen a single study claim children being exposed to multiple languages are somehow harmed. In fact the opposite is quite true.

I don't care WHO is supposed to be doing the care, but POOR quality care usually has POOR quality results.
Agree?

At least one person here seems to have missed my above comment.
And no, I'm not done here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If so many children are being cared for by non-English speaking caregivers, then why isn't there a crisis in the DC area of American-born children entering kindergarten with broken English skills?

I don't think all those ESOL classes are full of daycare kids.

Wow, it's amazing how far some people will go in claiming daycare is awful in order to justify their own choice in how to raise their children. If you are so pleased as punch with yourselves for being SAHM then just be happy with that. Why are you trying so very hard to prove your way is better?

Plenty of SAHMs are well adjusted, educated, and secure in their life choices. But wow ... some literally have nothing going for them so their entire identity is wrapped up in SAH. My guess is that these are the SAHMs who cannot find a job that will cover the cost of quality childcare or who have absentee spouses so they are default single parents. I feel sorry for your children that your entire self esteem is wrapped up in being a "better" parent than everyone else. The same goes for working moms who get their self esteem from their career and tell SAHMs they are worthless.

To all you normal moms, this post isn't about you. Most of us also have identities (hobbies, possibly careers, volunteer activities, loving marriages, etc.) and don't need to resort to shaming other moms to feel good about ourselves. I wish we could start our own forum and kick out the zealots.

Hello. There IS a crisis. It's politely called "special needs." Speech therapy galore.

Funny how I know SAHMs whose kids have speech and language issues. What can they blame it on if these problems are allegedly caused by childcare? Also, the child mind is much more adept at picking up differences and adapting to hearing multiple languages. I have never seen a single study claim children being exposed to multiple languages are somehow harmed. In fact the opposite is quite true.

I don't care WHO is supposed to be doing the care, but POOR quality care usually has POOR quality results.
Agree?

At least one person here seems to have missed my above comment.
And no, I'm not done here.

Plus, I don't think all the "special needs" children in speech therapy suddenly inherited their parents bad genes. Either too much TV or poor quality care during the first three foundational years of life. Or both. So sad.

[Anonymous]

So my kids hit the jackpot because they have an MBA mom who stays home and lawyer dad who makes a ton, and we all eat dinner together? Nah, they are just average kids with average parents just doing their best like everyone else.

STFU lady. Of course your children are fortunate as are mine.

Signed,

A PhD mom who says home and a physician dad who makes a ton

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:PP, the more you try to convince us all how much more superior and all knowing you are about childcare, the more we all think you are nutso and feel bad for you.

You clearly keep posting because you need to convince yourself of something. You do not sound like a secure person.

Nothing annoys me more than when posters assume it's only one other poster they're responding to. There are mulitple people on this thread, some with (gasp) the same POVs!

Really? Nothing annoys you more than the above? You must not have much to worry about in life. Also, I was responding to the one particularly atrocious SAHM who keeps calling everyone sweetie and such while telling us what bad parents we working moms are. She sounds like a real winner. I'm sure her kids love spending all day with her.

Yeah, it's not that hard to pick out some repeat posters by their opinion, writing style, and catch phrases. But maybe annoyed PP has figured out how to differentiate between ALL the posters and is ticked off that the rest of us have not.

Nope, I just don't assume that every person I'm responding to is the same exact person I continue responding to. Kind of makes you look foolish...or simple. Actually, both.

I'm not sure why you're assuming the rest of us are.....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If so many children are being cared for by non-English speaking caregivers, then why isn't there a crisis in the DC area of American-born children entering kindergarten with broken English skills?

I don't think all those ESOL classes are full of daycare kids.

Wow, it's amazing how far some people will go in claiming daycare is awful in order to justify their own choice in how to raise their children. If you are so pleased as punch with yourselves for being SAHM then just be happy with that. Why are you trying so very hard to prove your way is better?

Plenty of SAHMs are well adjusted, educated, and secure in their life choices. But wow ... some literally have nothing going for them so their entire identity is wrapped up in SAH. My guess is that these are the SAHMs who cannot find a job that will cover the cost of quality childcare or who have absentee spouses so they are default single parents. I feel sorry for your children that your entire self esteem is wrapped up in being a "better" parent than everyone else. The same goes for working moms who get their self esteem from their career and tell SAHMs they are worthless.

To all you normal moms, this post isn't about you. Most of us also have identities (hobbies, possibly careers, volunteer activities, loving marriages, etc.) and don't need to resort to shaming other moms to feel good about ourselves. I wish we could start our own forum and kick out the zealots.

Hello. There IS a crisis. It's politely called "special needs." Speech therapy galore.

Funny how I know SAHMs whose kids have speech and language issues. What can they blame it on if these problems are allegedly caused by childcare? Also, the child mind is much more adept at picking up differences and adapting to hearing multiple languages. I have never seen a single study claim children being exposed to multiple languages are somehow harmed. In fact the opposite is quite true.

I don't care WHO is supposed to be doing the care, but POOR quality care usually has POOR quality results.
Agree?

At least one person here seems to have missed my above comment.
And no, I'm not done here.

Nope, didn't miss it. But I think you're either a troll or very ignorant and don't care to feed your fire.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If so many children are being cared for by non-English speaking caregivers, then why isn't there a crisis in the DC area of American-born children entering kindergarten with broken English skills?

I don't think all those ESOL classes are full of daycare kids.

Wow, it's amazing how far some people will go in claiming daycare is awful in order to justify their own choice in how to raise their children. If you are so pleased as punch with yourselves for being SAHM then just be happy with that. Why are you trying so very hard to prove your way is better?

Plenty of SAHMs are well adjusted, educated, and secure in their life choices. But wow ... some literally have nothing going for them so their entire identity is wrapped up in SAH. My guess is that these are the SAHMs who cannot find a job that will cover the cost of quality childcare or who have absentee spouses so they are default single parents. I feel sorry for your children that your entire self esteem is wrapped up in being a "better" parent than everyone else. The same goes for working moms who get their self esteem from their career and tell SAHMs they are worthless.

To all you normal moms, this post isn't about you. Most of us also have identities (hobbies, possibly careers, volunteer activities, loving marriages, etc.) and don't need to resort to shaming other moms to feel good about ourselves. I wish we could start our own forum and kick out the zealots.

Hello. There IS a crisis. It's politely called "special needs." Speech therapy galore.

Funny how I know SAHMs whose kids have speech and language issues. What can they blame it on if these problems are allegedly caused by childcare? Also, the child mind is much more adept at picking up differences and adapting to hearing multiple languages. I have never seen a single study claim children being exposed to multiple languages are somehow harmed. In fact the opposite is quite true.

I don't care WHO is supposed to be doing the care, but POOR quality care usually has POOR quality results.
Agree?

At least one person here seems to have missed my above comment.
And no, I'm not done here.

Plus, I don't think all the "special needs" children in speech therapy suddenly inherited their parents bad genes. Either too much TV or poor quality care during the first three foundational years of life. Or both. So sad.

You can't expect children to speak well if they haven't had a foundational primary caregiver with proper speaking skills.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If so many children are being cared for by non-English speaking caregivers, then why isn't there a crisis in the DC area of American-born children entering kindergarten with broken English skills?

I don't think all those ESOL classes are full of daycare kids.

Wow, it's amazing how far some people will go in claiming daycare is awful in order to justify their own choice in how to raise their children. If you are so pleased as punch with yourselves for being SAHM then just be happy with that. Why are you trying so very hard to prove your way is better?

Plenty of SAHMs are well adjusted, educated, and secure in their life choices. But wow ... some literally have nothing going for them so their entire identity is wrapped up in SAH. My guess is that these are the SAHMs who cannot find a job that will cover the cost of quality childcare or who have absentee spouses so they are default single parents. I feel sorry for your children that your entire self esteem is wrapped up in being a "better" parent than everyone else. The same goes for working moms who get their self esteem from their career and tell SAHMs they are worthless.

To all you normal moms, this post isn't about you. Most of us also have identities (hobbies, possibly careers, volunteer activities, loving marriages, etc.) and don't need to resort to shaming other moms to feel good about ourselves. I wish we could start our own forum and kick out the zealots.

Hello. There IS a crisis. It's politely called "special needs." Speech therapy galore.

Funny how I know SAHMs whose kids have speech and language issues. What can they blame it on if these problems are allegedly caused by childcare? Also, the child mind is much more adept at picking up differences and adapting to hearing multiple languages. I have never seen a single study claim children being exposed to multiple languages are somehow harmed. In fact the opposite is quite true.

I don't care WHO is supposed to be doing the care, but POOR quality care usually has POOR quality results.
Agree?

At least one person here seems to have missed my above comment.
And no, I'm not done here.

Plus, I don't think all the "special needs" children in speech therapy suddenly inherited their parents bad genes. Either too much TV or poor quality care during the first three foundational years of life. Or both. So sad.

Wait. You're blaming SN parents for causing their children's special needs by letting them watch too much TV or leaving them in a bad daycare?

You are too much of a jerk to be an actual human being. The SN parents I know work harder than anyone else I've ever met -- 24/7.

You're despicable. Please go somewhere and try and find a soul.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If so many children are being cared for by non-English speaking caregivers, then why isn't there a crisis in the DC area of American-born children entering kindergarten with broken English skills?

I don't think all those ESOL classes are full of daycare kids.

Wow, it's amazing how far some people will go in claiming daycare is awful in order to justify their own choice in how to raise their children. If you are so pleased as punch with yourselves for being SAHM then just be happy with that. Why are you trying so very hard to prove your way is better?

Plenty of SAHMs are well adjusted, educated, and secure in their life choices. But wow ... some literally have nothing going for them so their entire identity is wrapped up in SAH. My guess is that these are the SAHMs who cannot find a job that will cover the cost of quality childcare or who have absentee spouses so they are default single parents. I feel sorry for your children that your entire self esteem is wrapped up in being a "better" parent than everyone else. The same goes for working moms who get their self esteem from their career and tell SAHMs they are worthless.

To all you normal moms, this post isn't about you. Most of us also have identities (hobbies, possibly careers, volunteer activities, loving marriages, etc.) and don't need to resort to shaming other moms to feel good about ourselves. I wish we could start our own forum and kick out the zealots.

Hello. There IS a crisis. It's politely called "special needs." Speech therapy galore.

Funny how I know SAHMs whose kids have speech and language issues. What can they blame it on if these problems are allegedly caused by childcare? Also, the child mind is much more adept at picking up differences and adapting to hearing multiple languages. I have never seen a single study claim children being exposed to multiple languages are somehow harmed. In fact the opposite is quite true.

I don't care WHO is supposed to be doing the care, but POOR quality care usually has POOR quality results.
Agree?

At least one person here seems to have missed my above comment.
And no, I'm not done here.

Plus, I don't think all the "special needs" children in speech therapy suddenly inherited their parents bad genes. Either too much TV or poor quality care during the first three foundational years of life. Or both. So sad.

Wait. You're blaming SN parents for causing their children's special needs by letting them watch too much TV or leaving them in a bad daycare?

You are too much of a jerk to be an actual human being. The SN parents I know work harder than anyone else I've ever met -- 24/7.

You're despicable. Please go somewhere and try and find a soul.

Calm down, lady. Let's focus on taking some appropriate responsibility rather than "blaming" anyone.

Here's the question:
Do you believe children with broken-English (at best) primary caregivers, are likely to have a solid command of language by age three?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If so many children are being cared for by non-English speaking caregivers, then why isn't there a crisis in the DC area of American-born children entering kindergarten with broken English skills?

I don't think all those ESOL classes are full of daycare kids.

Wow, it's amazing how far some people will go in claiming daycare is awful in order to justify their own choice in how to raise their children. If you are so pleased as punch with yourselves for being SAHM then just be happy with that. Why are you trying so very hard to prove your way is better?

Plenty of SAHMs are well adjusted, educated, and secure in their life choices. But wow ... some literally have nothing going for them so their entire identity is wrapped up in SAH. My guess is that these are the SAHMs who cannot find a job that will cover the cost of quality childcare or who have absentee spouses so they are default single parents. I feel sorry for your children that your entire self esteem is wrapped up in being a "better" parent than everyone else. The same goes for working moms who get their self esteem from their career and tell SAHMs they are worthless.

To all you normal moms, this post isn't about you. Most of us also have identities (hobbies, possibly careers, volunteer activities, loving marriages, etc.) and don't need to resort to shaming other moms to feel good about ourselves. I wish we could start our own forum and kick out the zealots.

Hello. There IS a crisis. It's politely called "special needs." Speech therapy galore.

Funny how I know SAHMs whose kids have speech and language issues. What can they blame it on if these problems are allegedly caused by childcare? Also, the child mind is much more adept at picking up differences and adapting to hearing multiple languages. I have never seen a single study claim children being exposed to multiple languages are somehow harmed. In fact the opposite is quite true.

I don't care WHO is supposed to be doing the care, but POOR quality care usually has POOR quality results.
Agree?

At least one person here seems to have missed my above comment.
And no, I'm not done here.

Plus, I don't think all the "special needs" children in speech therapy suddenly inherited their parents bad genes. Either too much TV or poor quality care during the first three foundational years of life. Or both. So sad.

Wait. You're blaming SN parents for causing their children's special needs by letting them watch too much TV or leaving them in a bad daycare?

You are too much of a jerk to be an actual human being. The SN parents I know work harder than anyone else I've ever met -- 24/7.

You're despicable. Please go somewhere and try and find a soul.

Calm down, lady. Let's focus on taking some appropriate responsibility rather than "blaming" anyone.

Here's the question:
Do you believe children with broken-English (at best) primary caregivers, are likely to have a solid command of language by age three?

You are fucking crazy. Seriously. I debated with you a few days ago then let the thread - come back and you're at it with others. What is your end game here?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If so many children are being cared for by non-English speaking caregivers, then why isn't there a crisis in the DC area of American-born children entering kindergarten with broken English skills?

I don't think all those ESOL classes are full of daycare kids.

Wow, it's amazing how far some people will go in claiming daycare is awful in order to justify their own choice in how to raise their children. If you are so pleased as punch with yourselves for being SAHM then just be happy with that. Why are you trying so very hard to prove your way is better?

Plenty of SAHMs are well adjusted, educated, and secure in their life choices. But wow ... some literally have nothing going for them so their entire identity is wrapped up in SAH. My guess is that these are the SAHMs who cannot find a job that will cover the cost of quality childcare or who have absentee spouses so they are default single parents. I feel sorry for your children that your entire self esteem is wrapped up in being a "better" parent than everyone else. The same goes for working moms who get their self esteem from their career and tell SAHMs they are worthless.

To all you normal moms, this post isn't about you. Most of us also have identities (hobbies, possibly careers, volunteer activities, loving marriages, etc.) and don't need to resort to shaming other moms to feel good about ourselves. I wish we could start our own forum and kick out the zealots.

Hello. There IS a crisis. It's politely called "special needs." Speech therapy galore.

Funny how I know SAHMs whose kids have speech and language issues. What can they blame it on if these problems are allegedly caused by childcare? Also, the child mind is much more adept at picking up differences and adapting to hearing multiple languages. I have never seen a single study claim children being exposed to multiple languages are somehow harmed. In fact the opposite is quite true.

I don't care WHO is supposed to be doing the care, but POOR quality care usually has POOR quality results.
Agree?

At least one person here seems to have missed my above comment.
And no, I'm not done here.

Plus, I don't think all the "special needs" children in speech therapy suddenly inherited their parents bad genes. Either too much TV or poor quality care during the first three foundational years of life. Or both. So sad.

Wait. You're blaming SN parents for causing their children's special needs by letting them watch too much TV or leaving them in a bad daycare?

You are too much of a jerk to be an actual human being. The SN parents I know work harder than anyone else I've ever met -- 24/7.

You're despicable. Please go somewhere and try and find a soul.

Calm down, lady. Let's focus on taking some appropriate responsibility rather than "blaming" anyone.

Here's the question:
Do you believe children with broken-English (at best) primary caregivers, are likely to have a solid command of language by age three?

You are fucking crazy. Seriously. I debated with you a few days ago then let the thread - come back and you're at it with others. What is your end game here?

Such furious anger for posing a question? Why not address the issue? Too close to home?

[Anonymous]

I am a sahm, and I positively disgusted with the nutcase who is posting such mean and horrid things...pl stop replying to him/ her. It will stop eventually

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If so many children are being cared for by non-English speaking caregivers, then why isn't there a crisis in the DC area of American-born children entering kindergarten with broken English skills?

I don't think all those ESOL classes are full of daycare kids.

Wow, it's amazing how far some people will go in claiming daycare is awful in order to justify their own choice in how to raise their children. If you are so pleased as punch with yourselves for being SAHM then just be happy with that. Why are you trying so very hard to prove your way is better?

Plenty of SAHMs are well adjusted, educated, and secure in their life choices. But wow ... some literally have nothing going for them so their entire identity is wrapped up in SAH. My guess is that these are the SAHMs who cannot find a job that will cover the cost of quality childcare or who have absentee spouses so they are default single parents. I feel sorry for your children that your entire self esteem is wrapped up in being a "better" parent than everyone else. The same goes for working moms who get their self esteem from their career and tell SAHMs they are worthless.

To all you normal moms, this post isn't about you. Most of us also have identities (hobbies, possibly careers, volunteer activities, loving marriages, etc.) and don't need to resort to shaming other moms to feel good about ourselves. I wish we could start our own forum and kick out the zealots.

Hello. There IS a crisis. It's politely called "special needs." Speech therapy galore.

Funny how I know SAHMs whose kids have speech and language issues. What can they blame it on if these problems are allegedly caused by childcare? Also, the child mind is much more adept at picking up differences and adapting to hearing multiple languages. I have never seen a single study claim children being exposed to multiple languages are somehow harmed. In fact the opposite is quite true.

I don't care WHO is supposed to be doing the care, but POOR quality care usually has POOR quality results.
Agree?

At least one person here seems to have missed my above comment.
And no, I'm not done here.

Plus, I don't think all the "special needs" children in speech therapy suddenly inherited their parents bad genes. Either too much TV or poor quality care during the first three foundational years of life. Or both. So sad.

Wait. You're blaming SN parents for causing their children's special needs by letting them watch too much TV or leaving them in a bad daycare?

You are too much of a jerk to be an actual human being. The SN parents I know work harder than anyone else I've ever met -- 24/7.

You're despicable. Please go somewhere and try and find a soul.

Calm down, lady. Let's focus on taking some appropriate responsibility rather than "blaming" anyone.

Here's the question:
Do you believe children with broken-English (at best) primary caregivers, are likely to have a solid command of language by age three?

You are fucking crazy. Seriously. I debated with you a few days ago then let the thread - come back and you're at it with others. What is your end game here?

Such furious anger for posing a question? Why not address the issue? Too close to home?

Hardly. You've posed it 20 times. Want an answer, really? My nearly 4 year old has been in a top notch area daycare since 3 months. He has a fabulous vocabulary, is a beginning reader, and can write about 30 words. The caregivers in the infant and toddler rooms often have English as a second language. They are fabulous, loving women who take such joy in the little ones in their care. I'd rather have them with my kids any day of the week than with a racist, nasty bitch like you. Your comments make me even more grateful for the village that's helping raise my boys.

I suppose you'll have to try another tack now.

[Anonymous]

Perhaps learn what a racist is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps learn what a racist is.

Another tack, as predicted.

[Anonymous]

Speech delayed children are born that way. Their environment makes no difference.