UVA student missing

[Anonymous]

I have no idea which, if any, of the men discussed so far are guilty of anything, but I will say this:

It was really eye-opening to get a bird's-eye view of how not one but two men zeroed in on Hannah so quickly, and that was just in the span of about one minute on this one particular block of restaurants. "Good samaritan" or not, Guy #1 hid in a doorway to get behind her, and Guy #2 did a total about-face after spotting her, and actually had the brass to physically wrap his arm around her even though they were strangers to each other. I can't help wondering if he just beat Guy #1 to the punch by being bolder and latching right on. Scary s--t. That footage should be required viewing for college freshmen at Orientation. "This is who lies in wait; this is what a sitting duck you are; this is how easy it is for these men to hone in on you when you are so obviously in a vulnerable state."

Of course, it's also possible that Guy #1 really was well-intentioned, and/or that Guy #2 (JM) is innocent, and saw Guy #1 lurking in the doorway and thought he'd help Hannah out by swooping in and pretending they were pals to get Guy #1 to scram. We just don't know. Fleeing town obviously isn't a great strategy if you're innocent, but I'm withholding judgment. Still and all, seeing those guys on tape zeroing on Hannah was pretty scary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have no idea which, if any, of the men discussed so far are guilty of anything, but I will say this:

It was really eye-opening to get a bird's-eye view of how not one but two men zeroed in on Hannah so quickly, and that was just in the span of about one minute on this one particular block of restaurants. "Good samaritan" or not, Guy #1 hid in a doorway to get behind her, and Guy #2 did a total about-face after spotting her, and actually had the brass to physically wrap his arm around her even though they were strangers to each other. I can't help wondering if he just beat Guy #1 to the punch by being bolder and latching right on. Scary s--t. That footage should be required viewing for college freshmen at Orientation. "This is who lies in wait; this is what a sitting duck you are; this is how easy it is for these men to hone in on you when you are so obviously in a vulnerable state."

Of course, it's also possible that Guy #1 really was well-intentioned, and/or that Guy #2 (JM) is innocent, and saw Guy #1 lurking in the doorway and thought he'd help Hannah out by swooping in and pretending they were pals to get Guy #1 to scram. We just don't know. Fleeing town obviously isn't a great strategy if you're innocent, but I'm withholding judgment. Still and all, seeing those guys on tape zeroing on Hannah was pretty scary.

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[Anonymous]

I'm seeing side by side pictures of JM and the sketch of Morgan harrington's suspected killer........there are some resemblances. He used to drive a cab, possibly how he was able to lure her. I hear that DNA results are coming today.......does anyone know if it's from his car, or clothing or something else?

The police had to go back to get more things from his apt, I find that a little odd. They either messed up the first time leaving him able to flee, or they are grasping at straws.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why would she even accept help from him if he had offered? She probably wouldn't have. She had just met the dude! He was much older than her! He was a townie! He was...

Sure, this is strange. Why would she walk down the street allowing a stranger to put his arm around her and why would she go into a bar with him? I can only assume she was very drunk, and therefore her judgment was impaired, and she was lost and disoriented, so a guy offering to help might have been welcome. And then they get a drink in the bar so she's even more impaired and he offers to drive her home. At this point she's probably blind drunk.

She was impaired. He took advantage. Now she's "missing" and he is running. He does not sound so innocent to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have no idea which, if any, of the men discussed so far are guilty of anything, but I will say this:

It was really eye-opening to get a bird's-eye view of how not one but two men zeroed in on Hannah so quickly, and that was just in the span of about one minute on this one particular block of restaurants. "Good samaritan" or not, Guy #1 hid in a doorway to get behind her, and Guy #2 did a total about-face after spotting her, and actually had the brass to physically wrap his arm around her even though they were strangers to each other. I can't help wondering if he just beat Guy #1 to the punch by being bolder and latching right on. Scary s--t. That footage should be required viewing for college freshmen at Orientation. "This is who lies in wait; this is what a sitting duck you are; this is how easy it is for these men to hone in on you when you are so obviously in a vulnerable state."

Of course, it's also possible that Guy #1 really was well-intentioned, and/or that Guy #2 (JM) is innocent, and saw Guy #1 lurking in the doorway and thought he'd help Hannah out by swooping in and pretending they were pals to get Guy #1 to scram. We just don't know. Fleeing town obviously isn't a great strategy if you're innocent, but I'm withholding judgment. Still and all, seeing those guys on tape zeroing on Hannah was pretty scary.

I have seen this scenario play out when I was in my 20s...it is definitely a tactic that girls will use to get a creep from following them (pretending to be with another male).

[Anonymous]

Most people who are "helping" a woman do not put their hands all over her and get her drunk(er) then put them in their car ... and "disappear" them. that not the kind of "help" anyone needs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm seeing side by side pictures of JM and the sketch of Morgan harrington's suspected killer........there are some resemblances. He used to drive a cab, possibly how he was able to lure her. I hear that DNA results are coming today.......does anyone know if it's from his car, or clothing or something else?

The police had to go back to get more things from his apt, I find that a little odd. They either messed up the first time leaving him able to flee, or they are grasping at straws.

The only thing they have in common is that they are black males. Nose and mouth totally different.

[Anonymous]

What about drugs? Does anybody think there was some attempt to procure drugs going on? The whole wandering around just is odd, the fact that Matthews comes over and puts his arm around her and she doesn't try to get away is just bizarre.

[Anonymous]

Eyes are different too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have no idea which, if any, of the men discussed so far are guilty of anything, but I will say this:

It was really eye-opening to get a bird's-eye view of how not one but two men zeroed in on Hannah so quickly, and that was just in the span of about one minute on this one particular block of restaurants. "Good samaritan" or not, Guy #1 hid in a doorway to get behind her, and Guy #2 did a total about-face after spotting her, and actually had the brass to physically wrap his arm around her even though they were strangers to each other. I can't help wondering if he just beat Guy #1 to the punch by being bolder and latching right on. Scary s--t. That footage should be required viewing for college freshmen at Orientation. "This is who lies in wait; this is what a sitting duck you are; this is how easy it is for these men to hone in on you when you are so obviously in a vulnerable state."

Of course, it's also possible that Guy #1 really was well-intentioned, and/or that Guy #2 (JM) is innocent, and saw Guy #1 lurking in the doorway and thought he'd help Hannah out by swooping in and pretending they were pals to get Guy #1 to scram. We just don't know. Fleeing town obviously isn't a great strategy if you're innocent, but I'm withholding judgment. Still and all, seeing those guys on tape zeroing on Hannah was pretty scary.

I completely agree with you about the required viewing element. I have been talking with my teen daughter about this case and do plan to show her the video at some point. I also think it would be worthwhile for the police to do some more routine monitoring of that area.

One thing I do wonder about the suspect: Do we know for sure they were strangers to each other? I know this doesn't fit with what we know about Hannah, but is there any chance she was on the downtown mall to meet him to pick up drugs (Molly or whatever else)? That would explain why she was wandering around down there, and in that case, he might have just been hanging around waiting to meet up with her to do the transaction. I recognize that it is unlikely that a dealer would want to do business with a client at a bar, so this is not the most plausible scenario, but it would explain some of the mysteries of what she was doing there.

[Anonymous]

I posted a while back that maybe he was her dealer, but it seems less likely now. The police didn't seem to find any evidence of drugs/ drug money in his car or apt, or I'm sure they would have jumped on it. His arrest record shows no priors for drug offenses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Eyes are different too.

It has been a few years. The sketch looks a bit more like the picture of him with the cab. But definitely not a perfect match. The sketch came from the Fairfax county victim who got away but the DNA was connectee to Morgan's killer, right? It would have been dark. The sketch looks like an older man, but DNA evidence will say for certain whether he is or is not not connected to Morgan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm seeing side by side pictures of JM and the sketch of Morgan harrington's suspected killer........there are some resemblances. He used to drive a cab, possibly how he was able to lure her. I hear that DNA results are coming today.......does anyone know if it's from his car, or clothing or something else?

The police had to go back to get more things from his apt, I find that a little odd. They either messed up the first time leaving him able to flee, or they are grasping at straws.

Since I read about this case in an International newspaper, I would think they are being extra careful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Question for the lawyers out there: the police can't make this alleged person of interest speak if he doesn't want to, right? He can remain silent from here on out, I think? Does anyone ever have to actually speak to the police?

Have you never heard of the Miranda Rights?

Miranda only applies if you are in custody. They do not have to read Miranda rights to a person who is free to leave, who hasn't been charged.But you always have the right to remain silent. I'm sure the lawyer who spoke with him told him not to speak. There is nothing this lawyer could have said to make him run. he wouldn't be familiar with the evidence against him, which isn't enough for an arrest at this point. All he could tell him was not to speak.

Arresting him for reckless driving is not a pretext -- he could have killed someone. Of course they want him because of the other thing, especially because he's clearly a flight risk.

I have no idea why folks here think he's innocent. Because his mother loves him? Obviously we don't know, but he was the last person to be with her. if he was such a good guy, why did he let her leave, drunk and lost in the middle of the night?

I don't think he did.

You obviously don't know that part of Charlottesville. There's a lot more creeps running around at that hour than just one. Why would he, a complete stranger, be responsible for her safety? She was drunk.

Why in gods name are you feeling so sympathetic to this guy? He was the last person known to be with a girl who in all likelihood is now dead. At a minimum, he is not fully cooperating with the police to help them catch whomever is responsible. The more likely scenario, given the warrants that have issued, is that he is responsible for her disappearance (giving that the search of his car created probable cause for the apartment searches). His erratic behavior just supports this conclusion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question for the lawyers out there: the police can't make this alleged person of interest speak if he doesn't want to, right? He can remain silent from here on out, I think? Does anyone ever have to actually speak to the police?

Have you never heard of the Miranda Rights?

Miranda only applies if you are in custody. They do not have to read Miranda rights to a person who is free to leave, who hasn't been charged.But you always have the right to remain silent. I'm sure the lawyer who spoke with him told him not to speak. There is nothing this lawyer could have said to make him run. he wouldn't be familiar with the evidence against him, which isn't enough for an arrest at this point. All he could tell him was not to speak.

Arresting him for reckless driving is not a pretext -- he could have killed someone. Of course they want him because of the other thing, especially because he's clearly a flight risk.

I have no idea why folks here think he's innocent. Because his mother loves him? Obviously we don't know, but he was the last person to be with her. if he was such a good guy, why did he let her leave, drunk and lost in the middle of the night?

I don't think he did.

You obviously don't know that part of Charlottesville. There's a lot more creeps running around at that hour than just one. Why would he, a complete stranger, be responsible for her safety? She was drunk.

Why in gods name are you feeling so sympathetic to this guy? He was the last person known to be with a girl who in all likelihood is now dead. At a minimum, he is not fully cooperating with the police to help them catch whomever is responsible. The more likely scenario, given the warrants that have issued, is that he is responsible for her disappearance (giving that the search of his car created probable cause for the apartment searches). His erratic behavior just supports this conclusion.

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