UVA student missing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's a good question.
If JM wasn't charged with a crime, why / how did he ask for a lawyer?
And was he granted one?

Why did he flee Charlottesville? He looks creepy ... And acts guilty!

What exactly looks creepy about him? I think he looks perfectly nice. Is it the blackness? The dreads? Come on. He's being sought by police in a country where black people are persecuted and prosecuted and convicted more than whites. I'd be freaked out, too. Not saying he's not guilty, just that I don't think he looks creepy and that he may just be freaked out.

I am sure those dreads are gone by now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's a good question.
If JM wasn't charged with a crime, why / how did he ask for a lawyer?
And was he granted one?

Why did he flee Charlottesville? He looks creepy ... And acts guilty!

What exactly looks creepy about him? I think he looks perfectly nice. Is it the blackness? The dreads? Come on. He's being sought by police in a country where black people are persecuted and prosecuted and convicted more than whites. I'd be freaked out, too. Not saying he's not guilty, just that I don't think he looks creepy and that he may just be freaked out.

I am sure those dreads are gone by now.

If he did something to Hannah, don't you think he would have done that or fled in the entire WEEK in between Hannah's disappearance, and the police taking an interest in him?

It makes no sense. I think the police are getting tunnel vision and missing other information.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question for the lawyers out there: the police can't make this alleged person of interest speak if he doesn't want to, right? He can remain silent from here on out, I think? Does anyone ever have to actually speak to the police?

Have you never heard of the Miranda Rights?

Miranda only applies if you are in custody. They do not have to read Miranda rights to a person who is free to leave, who hasn't been charged.But you always have the right to remain silent. I'm sure the lawyer who spoke with him told him not to speak. There is nothing this lawyer could have said to make him run. he wouldn't be familiar with the evidence against him, which isn't enough for an arrest at this point. All he could tell him was not to speak.

Arresting him for reckless driving is not a pretext -- he could have killed someone. Of course they want him because of the other thing, especially because he's clearly a flight risk.

I have no idea why folks here think he's innocent. Because his mother loves him? Obviously we don't know, but he was the last person to be with her. if he was such a good guy, why did he let her leave, drunk and lost in the middle of the night?

I don't think he did.

You obviously don't know that part of Charlottesville. There's a lot more creeps running around at that hour than just one. Why would he, a complete stranger, be responsible for her safety? She was drunk.

Oh for christ's sake. I hope nothing happened to Hannah, but she's an adult. A grownup. No one was pouring drinks down her throat against her will, and she seemed to be willingly drinking alcohol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's a good question.
If JM wasn't charged with a crime, why / how did he ask for a lawyer?
And was he granted one?

Why did he flee Charlottesville? He looks creepy ... And acts guilty!

What exactly looks creepy about him? I think he looks perfectly nice. Is it the blackness? The dreads? Come on. He's being sought by police in a country where black people are persecuted and prosecuted and convicted more than whites. I'd be freaked out, too. Not saying he's not guilty, just that I don't think he looks creepy and that he may just be freaked out.

I am sure those dreads are gone by now.

If he did something to Hannah, don't you think he would have done that or fled in the entire WEEK in between Hannah's disappearance, and the police taking an interest in him?

It makes no sense. I think the police are getting tunnel vision and missing other information.

I find this odd too. He is very distinctive looking bc of the dreads, was apparently a regular on the mall so tons of people knew him and saw him with her. If he did something to her why did he just hang around? Very weird.

[Anonymous]

Why would she even accept help from him if he had offered? She probably wouldn't have. She had just met the dude! He was much older than her! He was a townie! He was...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question for the lawyers out there: the police can't make this alleged person of interest speak if he doesn't want to, right? He can remain silent from here on out, I think? Does anyone ever have to actually speak to the police?

Have you never heard of the Miranda Rights?

Miranda only applies if you are in custody. They do not have to read Miranda rights to a person who is free to leave, who hasn't been charged.But you always have the right to remain silent. I'm sure the lawyer who spoke with him told him not to speak. There is nothing this lawyer could have said to make him run. he wouldn't be familiar with the evidence against him, which isn't enough for an arrest at this point. All he could tell him was not to speak.

Arresting him for reckless driving is not a pretext -- he could have killed someone. Of course they want him because of the other thing, especially because he's clearly a flight risk.

I have no idea why folks here think he's innocent. Because his mother loves him? Obviously we don't know, but he was the last person to be with her. if he was such a good guy, why did he let her leave, drunk and lost in the middle of the night?

I don't think he did.

You obviously don't know that part of Charlottesville. There's a lot more creeps running around at that hour than just one. Why would he, a complete stranger, be responsible for her safety? She was drunk.

Well this older dude apparently got this impaired teenage girl even more drunk - assuming that they did indeed have alcoholic beverages at Tempo. Even if they did go their separate ways, she left that bar even more impaired, even more of a target for the various random creeps around. Right?

Do we know all this for sure? I have yet to see a timeline of her degree of impaired-ness. A lot of assumptions thrown around and interpretations of her walking/stumbling in a grainy video, but has it even been established that they got drinks at that bar? They were supposedly only in there 15 min.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's a good question.
If JM wasn't charged with a crime, why / how did he ask for a lawyer?
And was he granted one?

Why did he flee Charlottesville? He looks creepy ... And acts guilty!

What exactly looks creepy about him? I think he looks perfectly nice. Is it the blackness? The dreads? Come on. He's being sought by police in a country where black people are persecuted and prosecuted and convicted more than whites. I'd be freaked out, too. Not saying he's not guilty, just that I don't think he looks creepy and that he may just be freaked out.

I am sure those dreads are gone by now.

If he did something to Hannah, don't you think he would have done that or fled in the entire WEEK in between Hannah's disappearance, and the police taking an interest in him?

It makes no sense. I think the police are getting tunnel vision and missing other information.

No. The guy that did nothing came forward immediately and talked to the police. Those that have things to hide run.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's a good question.
If JM wasn't charged with a crime, why / how did he ask for a lawyer?
And was he granted one?

Why did he flee Charlottesville? He looks creepy ... And acts guilty!

What exactly looks creepy about him? I think he looks perfectly nice. Is it the blackness? The dreads? Come on. He's being sought by police in a country where black people are persecuted and prosecuted and convicted more than whites. I'd be freaked out, too. Not saying he's not guilty, just that I don't think he looks creepy and that he may just be freaked out.

I am sure those dreads are gone by now.

If he did something to Hannah, don't you think he would have done that or fled in the entire WEEK in between Hannah's disappearance, and the police taking an interest in him?

It makes no sense. I think the police are getting tunnel vision and missing other information.

Not necessarily. Why leave his job, home, family with little money and no place to go? Why draw attention to himself like that? Especially when the police seemed to be looking for another guy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's a good question.
If JM wasn't charged with a crime, why / how did he ask for a lawyer?
And was he granted one?

Why did he flee Charlottesville? He looks creepy ... And acts guilty!

What exactly looks creepy about him? I think he looks perfectly nice. Is it the blackness? The dreads? Come on. He's being sought by police in a country where black people are persecuted and prosecuted and convicted more than whites. I'd be freaked out, too. Not saying he's not guilty, just that I don't think he looks creepy and that he may just be freaked out.

I am sure those dreads are gone by now.

If he did something to Hannah, don't you think he would have done that or fled in the entire WEEK in between Hannah's disappearance, and the police taking an interest in him?

It makes no sense. I think the police are getting tunnel vision and missing other information.

He had no reason to flee until he became a suspect. if he did do something, up until that point he thought he was getting away with it and fleeing is not so easy -- where do you go? With what money? But once he did become a subject, he fled.

So, actually, it does make sense.

[Anonymous]

They know he bought drinks, either from receipts or the bartender. They were pretty clear that they have no direct evidence that Hannah drank at the bar but since he bought drinks, plural, its pretty likely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question for the lawyers out there: the police can't make this alleged person of interest speak if he doesn't want to, right? He can remain silent from here on out, I think? Does anyone ever have to actually speak to the police?

Have you never heard of the Miranda Rights?

Miranda only applies if you are in custody. They do not have to read Miranda rights to a person who is free to leave, who hasn't been charged.But you always have the right to remain silent. I'm sure the lawyer who spoke with him told him not to speak. There is nothing this lawyer could have said to make him run. he wouldn't be familiar with the evidence against him, which isn't enough for an arrest at this point. All he could tell him was not to speak.

Arresting him for reckless driving is not a pretext -- he could have killed someone. Of course they want him because of the other thing, especially because he's clearly a flight risk.

I have no idea why folks here think he's innocent. Because his mother loves him? Obviously we don't know, but he was the last person to be with her. if he was such a good guy, why did he let her leave, drunk and lost in the middle of the night?

I don't think he did.

You obviously don't know that part of Charlottesville. There's a lot more creeps running around at that hour than just one. Why would he, a complete stranger, be responsible for her safety? She was drunk.

My point was that there were several posts saying this guy likes women, has a great relationship with his mother and grandmother, seems like a nice guy. Well, either he was a guy whole let a drunk girl wander off alone, drunk and in an unsafe neighborhood in the middle of the night (and anyone would know that was dangerous) or he's a guy who did something terrible to her. Either way, not a nice guy.

[Anonymous]

To. 6:46-stop slamming the victim. Yes, college students willing drink alcohol. And, you are delusional if you think 18 year olds always behave like grown ups. Grown ups don't even always behave that way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why would she even accept help from him if he had offered? She probably wouldn't have. She had just met the dude! He was much older than her! He was a townie! He was...

Sure, this is strange. Why would she walk down the street allowing a stranger to put his arm around her and why would she go into a bar with him? I can only assume she was very drunk, and therefore her judgment was impaired, and she was lost and disoriented, so a guy offering to help might have been welcome. And then they get a drink in the bar so she's even more impaired and he offers to drive her home. At this point she's probably blind drunk.

[Anonymous]

Meant willingly

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question for the lawyers out there: the police can't make this alleged person of interest speak if he doesn't want to, right? He can remain silent from here on out, I think? Does anyone ever have to actually speak to the police?

Have you never heard of the Miranda Rights?

Miranda only applies if you are in custody. They do not have to read Miranda rights to a person who is free to leave, who hasn't been charged.But you always have the right to remain silent. I'm sure the lawyer who spoke with him told him not to speak. There is nothing this lawyer could have said to make him run. he wouldn't be familiar with the evidence against him, which isn't enough for an arrest at this point. All he could tell him was not to speak.

Arresting him for reckless driving is not a pretext -- he could have killed someone. Of course they want him because of the other thing, especially because he's clearly a flight risk.

I have no idea why folks here think he's innocent. Because his mother loves him? Obviously we don't know, but he was the last person to be with her. if he was such a good guy, why did he let her leave, drunk and lost in the middle of the night?

I don't think he did.

You obviously don't know that part of Charlottesville. There's a lot more creeps running around at that hour than just one. Why would he, a complete stranger, be responsible for her safety? She was drunk.

My point was that there were several posts saying this guy likes women, has a great relationship with his mother and grandmother, seems like a nice guy. Well, either he was a guy whole let a drunk girl wander off alone, drunk and in an unsafe neighborhood in the middle of the night (and anyone would know that was dangerous) or he's a guy who did something terrible to her. Either way, not a nice guy.

He may have offered to give her a ride home but she may have declined his offer. Would you have accepted a ride home from him as a young co-ed?