Teacher shot at Newport News elementary school

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“The 6-year-old boy who allegedly shot his elementary school teacher earlier this year will not be criminally charged, Newport News, Virginia, Commonwealth's Attorney Howard Gwynn told CNN affiliate WTKR.”

Of COURSE the kid shouldn't be criminally charged. He should stay in some kind of an institution for the rest of his life though. I'm still waiting for them to charge his parents criminally. And I'm still waiting for them to charge the administrators who either ignored the issue or who openly refused to implement a safety plan. They ALL need to spend time in jail.

I thought it was interesting that the child can’t be part of the juvenile system either. How is the community being assured that he is being rehabilitated? This child needs to be in intensive treatment and it should be mandatory and state monitored.

This child likely cannot be rehabilitated. There are some medical conditions where there is a biologically (brain) based issue, including complete inability to feel any empathy. It may be possible to achieve that he can live in society without killing someone, but it’s going to be difficult and require intense inpatient commitment. There are only a few locations in the US equipped to deal with this. If not addressed appropriately, he will escalate his violence as he gets older.

I have absolutely no idea if the child can be socialized properly. But, I would never claim that he could not be rehabilitated without knowing a whole lot more. I can say that the parent has shown imcompetence by having a gun within reach of the child.

He had a years-established pattern of attacking children, trying to kill his kindergarten teacher via choking, and while he may or may not be DCUM-level ‘gifted’ or ‘twice exceptional’ or, poor bunny, a victim of SPD or ODD or any other similar reality-avoidant diagnosis, when it came to him trying to kill Abigail Zwerner, he showed astonishing, methodical planning and cunning for a 6 year old, in terms of obtaining the gun, getting it to his class, and avoiding having it taken.

He can’t be rehabilitated. He can hopefully be prevented from killing or maiming. But that also can’t happen since a majority of people will think, like, you, dawwwww he’s just 6! He should be institutionalized for many, many years. I have a child who was threatened by one with a gun and am more liberal than probably anyone on this thread with the voting past to match, and I wish to god we could have a reality-based conversation on the impossibility of turning back time and ‘fixing’ sociopath/psychopaths who engage in violence in single-digit ages, or, separately, fixing the thoroughly pulverized brains of addicts who’ve used fent or meth and cannot function near others. We can’t have these conversations at all because we largely don’t want to redistribute public monies for institutions, instead diverting everything to policing and other after the fact mop-up ‘solutions’ that still produce the trauma in the first instance. It’s such a damned shame.

We all know he’s going to reoffend and with more ‘success.’ Stop lying, Pollyanna.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The 6-year-old boy who allegedly shot his elementary school teacher earlier this year will not be criminally charged, Newport News, Virginia, Commonwealth's Attorney Howard Gwynn told CNN affiliate WTKR.”

Of COURSE the kid shouldn't be criminally charged. He should stay in some kind of an institution for the rest of his life though. I'm still waiting for them to charge his parents criminally. And I'm still waiting for them to charge the administrators who either ignored the issue or who openly refused to implement a safety plan. They ALL need to spend time in jail.

I thought it was interesting that the child can’t be part of the juvenile system either. How is the community being assured that he is being rehabilitated? This child needs to be in intensive treatment and it should be mandatory and state monitored.

This child likely cannot be rehabilitated. There are some medical conditions where there is a biologically (brain) based issue, including complete inability to feel any empathy. It may be possible to achieve that he can live in society without killing someone, but it’s going to be difficult and require intense inpatient commitment. There are only a few locations in the US equipped to deal with this. If not addressed appropriately, he will escalate his violence as he gets older.

I have absolutely no idea if the child can be socialized properly. But, I would never claim that he could not be rehabilitated without knowing a whole lot more. I can say that the parent has shown imcompetence by having a gun within reach of the child.

Sorry, but the kid has two assault/attempted manslaughter strikes at the age of 6. He tried to choke his K teacher and he shot his 1rst grade teacher. We know of the destruction of his teachers phone and bringing bullets to school in the week before he shot his teacher. And those are just the instances that we know of. I would bet that his file is pretty darn thick.

At the very least, this child needs to be removed from his parents care and placed in intensive therapy. He should not be in a mainstream school or classroom. His track record sure screams future murderer to me. I would be pissed if I found out that he was in kids classroom, not to mention petrified.

[Anonymous]

https://nypost.com/2023/04/03/virginia-teacher-shot-by-6-yr-old-student-files-40m-lawsuit/

She’s filed suit. I’m so disgusted by the board, and by these parents. In addition to his acts of violence, the boy is alleged to have pulled up a classmate’s dress to touch her inappropriately. He should NEVER have been in that classroom, and I think it’s a shame that the parents have not been publicly identified, since they chose to put out an appalling statement after their son almost killed Zwerner.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The 6-year-old boy who allegedly shot his elementary school teacher earlier this year will not be criminally charged, Newport News, Virginia, Commonwealth's Attorney Howard Gwynn told CNN affiliate WTKR.”

Of COURSE the kid shouldn't be criminally charged. He should stay in some kind of an institution for the rest of his life though. I'm still waiting for them to charge his parents criminally. And I'm still waiting for them to charge the administrators who either ignored the issue or who openly refused to implement a safety plan. They ALL need to spend time in jail.

I thought it was interesting that the child can’t be part of the juvenile system either. How is the community being assured that he is being rehabilitated? This child needs to be in intensive treatment and it should be mandatory and state monitored.

This child likely cannot be rehabilitated. There are some medical conditions where there is a biologically (brain) based issue, including complete inability to feel any empathy. It may be possible to achieve that he can live in society without killing someone, but it’s going to be difficult and require intense inpatient commitment. There are only a few locations in the US equipped to deal with this. If not addressed appropriately, he will escalate his violence as he gets older.

I have absolutely no idea if the child can be socialized properly. But, I would never claim that he could not be rehabilitated without knowing a whole lot more. I can say that the parent has shown imcompetence by having a gun within reach of the child.

Sorry, but the kid has two assault/attempted manslaughter strikes at the age of 6. He tried to choke his K teacher and he shot his 1rst grade teacher. We know of the destruction of his teachers phone and bringing bullets to school in the week before he shot his teacher. And those are just the instances that we know of. I would bet that his file is pretty darn thick.

At the very least, this child needs to be removed from his parents care and placed in intensive therapy. He should not be in a mainstream school or classroom. His track record sure screams future murderer to me. I would be pissed if I found out that he was in kids classroom, not to mention petrified.

The kid is 6, not 16. Anything is possible but he will definitely grow and mature before he reaches his majority. Y'all need to get a grip.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“The 6-year-old boy who allegedly shot his elementary school teacher earlier this year will not be criminally charged, Newport News, Virginia, Commonwealth's Attorney Howard Gwynn told CNN affiliate WTKR.”

Of COURSE the kid shouldn't be criminally charged. He should stay in some kind of an institution for the rest of his life though. I'm still waiting for them to charge his parents criminally. And I'm still waiting for them to charge the administrators who either ignored the issue or who openly refused to implement a safety plan. They ALL need to spend time in jail.

I thought it was interesting that the child can’t be part of the juvenile system either. How is the community being assured that he is being rehabilitated? This child needs to be in intensive treatment and it should be mandatory and state monitored.

This child likely cannot be rehabilitated. There are some medical conditions where there is a biologically (brain) based issue, including complete inability to feel any empathy. It may be possible to achieve that he can live in society without killing someone, but it’s going to be difficult and require intense inpatient commitment. There are only a few locations in the US equipped to deal with this. If not addressed appropriately, he will escalate his violence as he gets older.

At this point it doesn’t seem that anything has been done. If the state can’t charge him, how can they mandate therapy?

[Anonymous]

“He was so troubled, in fact, at least one of his parents was required to attend school with him “because of his violent tendencies.”

If this is true, then this child should never have been in public school.

[Anonymous]

If I’m on that jury, I find for the plaintiff and recommend triple what she is seeking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“He was so troubled, in fact, at least one of his parents was required to attend school with him “because of his violent tendencies.”

If this is true, then this child should never have been in public school.

Lawsuit also says that the child's parents refused any type of controlled classroom and demanded their son be placed only with other nonIEP (or whatever it's called, sorry, I am not sure of the term/mainstream?) students, even after the K incident with choking his teacher.

I don't understand why the school agreed to this.

[Anonymous]

I don’t understand the refusal to search the boy’s person. There are big signs at all of my kids public schools (LCPS) that state entry onto the premises constitutes permission to surveillance and search. I would assume most large school systems have the same.

The fact pattern sounds pretty damning. Assuming all those people at the school testify, the goose is cooked for Newport News.

[Anonymous]

I ask this question sincerely:
With this child’s track record, or at least what we know of it, what should have been done with him?
What do we do as a society with these kids?
I ask because I honestly don’t know.

[Anonymous]

I'm sorry. The child is a menace and should NEVER have been put back in a mainstream classroom. It's beyond ridiculous that that's what we do now.

Also, school is 1000% responsible and should pay. The asst principal that would not allow a search of the backpack should be made to pay monetary damages and NEVER work in education again.

Not much to be done about the parents other than they should be charged with allowing a violent kid to gain access to a firearm. Complete and utter losers.


This story makes me incensed on so many levels

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I ask this question sincerely:
With this child’s track record, or at least what we know of it, what should have been done with him?
What do we do as a society with these kids?
I ask because I honestly don’t know.

Well the local or state government forced the family to have him committed, he was not allowed to just go back home. Details specifically re what is involved have not been released because he’s a juvenile but there have been several statements re the boy receiving “the treatment/care he needs” and that he is in some sort of residential treatment away from home.

As for long term, I do not know what you do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry. The child is a menace and should NEVER have been put back in a mainstream classroom. It's beyond ridiculous that that's what we do now.

Also, school is 1000% responsible and should pay. The asst principal that would not allow a search of the backpack should be made to pay monetary damages and NEVER work in education again.

Not much to be done about the parents other than they should be charged with allowing a violent kid to gain access to a firearm. Complete and utter losers.


This story makes me incensed on so many levels

I don't understand WHY backpack searches weren't allowed. What was the reasoning??

Thankfully I work at a school where my admin trust us - if we felt a need to look through backpacks, it wouldn't be a problem. We're touching kids things all day long (coats, water bottles, lunch boxes, things left behind). A backpack is no different. Hell, all that's in a 1st grader's backpack are their lunch/water/snack, weekly folder, and maybe extra clothing.

Has the school admin give a reason why backpack searches were not allowed??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry. The child is a menace and should NEVER have been put back in a mainstream classroom. It's beyond ridiculous that that's what we do now.

Also, school is 1000% responsible and should pay. The asst principal that would not allow a search of the backpack should be made to pay monetary damages and NEVER work in education again.

Not much to be done about the parents other than they should be charged with allowing a violent kid to gain access to a firearm. Complete and utter losers.


This story makes me incensed on so many levels

Well said.

The school should have recommended alternate placement long ago. If the parents refused (which sounds likely) the school should have insisted and forced parents ot take them to court. (I'm not sure how it works, but it seems there was plenty of evidence to insist upon alternate placement.

I find it very intersting that the parents have not yet been charged. Makes me wonder if they are contemplating charges beyond the weapon.

It is also interesting that no information about family has been leaked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“He was so troubled, in fact, at least one of his parents was required to attend school with him “because of his violent tendencies.”

If this is true, then this child should never have been in public school.

Lawsuit also says that the child's parents refused any type of controlled classroom and demanded their son be placed only with other nonIEP (or whatever it's called, sorry, I am not sure of the term/mainstream?) students, even after the K incident with choking his teacher.

I don't understand why the school agreed to this.

We have a situation in our DCPS classroom where the kid has a very serious established history of violence of all sorts. But the child’s parents refuse to acknowledge the problem. Kid is still in class. I truly believe the only thing that will result in removal is actually bringing a gun to school. It’s pathetic. I hope this teacher gets everything and I hope the school administration gets roasted.