Why do staunch republicans hate electric vehicles?

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Anonymous wrote:My issue is batteries. I like to keep cars a long time. EV batteries are expensive and I don’t want such an expense too early. Maybe leasing makes more sense for them.

Well here's a Tesla that's been used as an airport taxi for years and racked up 430,000 miles on the original battery pack - https://www.thecooldown.com/green-business/tesla-model-s-2016-90d-range-test/

Being used in a fleet to do repeated short trips is pretty much the ideal use for EVs, and I don't think anyone really objects to that. If EVs stay in that lane, then you get a nice net benefit to the environment.

Its the luxury 5,000 pound EV that's leased and ends up in the crusher by the time its 10 years old that is the dubious proposition for the environment. Especially when its being used for the same trips a Vespa could handle.

lol too bad all the EV’s last 15-20 years. That is twice the life cycle of internal combustion vehicles. EVs also draw power from the grid which is 12 times cleaner vs combustion vehicles. You are very uniformed. Why is it conservatives all think their random opinions are fact?

While not a perfect example, there is not a single EV at least 15 years old available on Auto Trader within 50 miles of DC. There are 1,859 ICE vehicles that are 15+ years old. That's not counting classic cars, of which so many exist they have their own separate site.

Are you intentionally making a stupid argument? There aren’t 15 year old EVs being sold on auto trader because 15 years ago no one was selling EVs. Recordkeeping started in 2011 with under 10,000 sales nationwide. The Tesla model S didn’t go on sale til 2012.

The grid can handle EVs fine. What is stressing the grid now is AI and crypto — ask the Lt Gov of Texas— so if you are really worried about the grid you should shut those down, or at least regulate them reasonably.

Maybe you should have replied to the guy saying EVs last 15-20 years instead. The Tesla Roadster was made in 2008, and there was even a 2011 model for sale on Autotrader (with 0 miles lol). There is also the EV1 from the 90s which all got sent to the crusher. You can still buy ICE Chevys from the late 90s though.

Thanks for confirming you are being intentionally stupid and trollish by conparing the Roadster, of which fewer than 2,000 cars were *ever* sold in the US, with a Chevy, which sold 500k to a million cars *each year* in the 1990s.

Gee, boss oil, I wonder why there are more Chevys on the road? Must be because those EVs aren’t durable.

Once again, the original claim is that EVs last for 15-20 years. There are no 15+ year old EVs on the road or on the used car market. Every EV that old is a museum piece or was crushed already. Therefore, the claim that EVs last 15-20 years is baseless.

Those late 90s Chevy's also are worth more than much newer EVs:
97 Camaro with 130,000 miles for $8,000: https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicle/696317313
14 I3 (tired of picking on the Leaf) 45,000 miles for the same $8,000 (original MSRP of $42,000+): https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicle/696285962
That I3 is on the HOV lane to the crusher after only 10 years.

No EV made is on pace to make it to 20 years.

A Z28 convertible is a collector piece. Not a valid example of an average car.

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Anonymous wrote:My issue is batteries. I like to keep cars a long time. EV batteries are expensive and I don’t want such an expense too early. Maybe leasing makes more sense for them.

Well here's a Tesla that's been used as an airport taxi for years and racked up 430,000 miles on the original battery pack - https://www.thecooldown.com/green-business/tesla-model-s-2016-90d-range-test/

Being used in a fleet to do repeated short trips is pretty much the ideal use for EVs, and I don't think anyone really objects to that. If EVs stay in that lane, then you get a nice net benefit to the environment.

Its the luxury 5,000 pound EV that's leased and ends up in the crusher by the time its 10 years old that is the dubious proposition for the environment. Especially when its being used for the same trips a Vespa could handle.

lol too bad all the EV’s last 15-20 years. That is twice the life cycle of internal combustion vehicles. EVs also draw power from the grid which is 12 times cleaner vs combustion vehicles. You are very uniformed. Why is it conservatives all think their random opinions are fact?

While not a perfect example, there is not a single EV at least 15 years old available on Auto Trader within 50 miles of DC. There are 1,859 ICE vehicles that are 15+ years old. That's not counting classic cars, of which so many exist they have their own separate site.

Are you intentionally making a stupid argument? There aren’t 15 year old EVs being sold on auto trader because 15 years ago no one was selling EVs. Recordkeeping started in 2011 with under 10,000 sales nationwide. The Tesla model S didn’t go on sale til 2012.

The grid can handle EVs fine. What is stressing the grid now is AI and crypto — ask the Lt Gov of Texas— so if you are really worried about the grid you should shut those down, or at least regulate them reasonably.

Maybe you should have replied to the guy saying EVs last 15-20 years instead. The Tesla Roadster was made in 2008, and there was even a 2011 model for sale on Autotrader (with 0 miles lol). There is also the EV1 from the 90s which all got sent to the crusher. You can still buy ICE Chevys from the late 90s though.

Thanks for confirming you are being intentionally stupid and trollish by conparing the Roadster, of which fewer than 2,000 cars were *ever* sold in the US, with a Chevy, which sold 500k to a million cars *each year* in the 1990s.

Gee, boss oil, I wonder why there are more Chevys on the road? Must be because those EVs aren’t durable.

Once again, the original claim is that EVs last for 15-20 years. There are no 15+ year old EVs on the road or on the used car market. Every EV that old is a museum piece or was crushed already. Therefore, the claim that EVs last 15-20 years is baseless.

Those late 90s Chevy's also are worth more than much newer EVs:
97 Camaro with 130,000 miles for $8,000: https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicle/696317313
14 I3 (tired of picking on the Leaf) 45,000 miles for the same $8,000 (original MSRP of $42,000+): https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicle/696285962
That I3 is on the HOV lane to the crusher after only 10 years.

No EV made is on pace to make it to 20 years.

A Z28 convertible is a collector piece. Not a valid example of an average car.

It was the cheapest of the bunch. Here is a Silverado (2wd lol) for $13,000 on an original MSRP of $20,000 or so: https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicle/711695431
That beat up old truck is almost as expensive as this 2013 Tesla Model S with fewer miles and an original MSRP of $60,000 or so: https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicle/699787662

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Anyone else notice how cheap EV rentals are? They often are cheaper than whatever compact car is available on the lot. Are they so cheap because the rental companies don't charge them?

I honestly thought daily rentals would be one of the few places EVs would make sense, but the prices seem to indicate otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:I keep seeing this pop up online and social media. What’s the deal?

Big Oil propaganda on Fox News, Newsmax, AM radio and the rest of the right wing grifter apparatus. We don't have an electric car but I personally couldn't give a damn either way. Why would anyone care what other people drive? My neighbor has a Rivian and it seems neat. I can't imagine becoming enraged because my neighbor bought a Rivian. If EVs make you animated it's because you're dimwitted and have been sucking down propaganda.

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More irrational EV hate: https://www.autoblog.com/2024/07/16/genesis-wont-launch-only-evs-after-2025-plans-a-range-of-hybrids-instead/

I've lost track of all the companies that have backtracked their EV commitments. Seems the only people that loved EVs were regulators.

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Republicans continue to win, so much winning: https://www.autonews.com/manufacturing/ford-moves-super-duty-production-canada-instead-evs

They are probably just gearing up for a super-duty mandate. Trumps going to mandate everyone get rid of EVs and drive super-duties instead. Super-duties basically last forever, so in the long run they are better for the environment than EVs.

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I'm going to really enjoy the Trump turnaround on EVs as Musk's money starts flowing in and Musk makes it clear that Trump isn't allowed to complain about them anymore... and I'm going to enjoy the low-level backlash as they all try to figure out why Trump is suddenly on the other side of the issue that he got them all so riled about.

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I'm going to really enjoy the Trump turnaround on EVs as Musk's money starts flowing in and Musk makes it clear that Trump isn't allowed to complain about them anymore... and I'm going to enjoy the low-level backlash as they all try to figure out why Trump is suddenly on the other side of the issue that he got them all so riled about.

+1 This is what I don't understand about the Trumpers. How is it that they can't figure this out?

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I'm going to really enjoy the Trump turnaround on EVs as Musk's money starts flowing in and Musk makes it clear that Trump isn't allowed to complain about them anymore... and I'm going to enjoy the low-level backlash as they all try to figure out why Trump is suddenly on the other side of the issue that he got them all so riled about.

+1 This is what I don't understand about the Trumpers. How is it that they can't figure this out?

Trump's entire opposition comes down to one thing: $$$. He's already promised the oil companies increased drilling rights on federal land in exchange for campaign bucks (and probably a little something-something on the side for the effort). Trump is 100% transactional - he doesn't fart without a financial incentive.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else notice how cheap EV rentals are? They often are cheaper than whatever compact car is available on the lot. Are they so cheap because the rental companies don't charge them?

I honestly thought daily rentals would be one of the few places EVs would make sense, but the prices seem to indicate otherwise.

Yes! We rented a Tesla in Canada and it was dirt cheap. Fun experience but what a pita finding charging stations, and it shocked me how slow it is to charge. We sat in supermarket parking lots a lot.

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I'm going to really enjoy the Trump turnaround on EVs as Musk's money starts flowing in and Musk makes it clear that Trump isn't allowed to complain about them anymore... and I'm going to enjoy the low-level backlash as they all try to figure out why Trump is suddenly on the other side of the issue that he got them all so riled about.

+1 This is what I don't understand about the Trumpers. How is it that they can't figure this out?

LOL! The ads write themselves...

Trump keeps flip-flopping his policy positions after meeting with rich people
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/22/trump-policy-flip-flop-00164538

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I'm going to really enjoy the Trump turnaround on EVs as Musk's money starts flowing in and Musk makes it clear that Trump isn't allowed to complain about them anymore... and I'm going to enjoy the low-level backlash as they all try to figure out why Trump is suddenly on the other side of the issue that he got them all so riled about.

+1 This is what I don't understand about the Trumpers. How is it that they can't figure this out?

LOL! The ads write themselves...

Trump keeps flip-flopping his policy positions after meeting with rich people
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/22/trump-policy-flip-flop-00164538

Like I said - 100% transactional. He'd sell his grandchildren into slavery for the right price.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a staunch Republican. I drive a Tesla. I used to be a democrat until I watched the disgusting throwing of children under the bus during the pandemic.

Sure, Chad.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else notice how cheap EV rentals are? They often are cheaper than whatever compact car is available on the lot. Are they so cheap because the rental companies don't charge them?

I honestly thought daily rentals would be one of the few places EVs would make sense, but the prices seem to indicate otherwise.

I’ve noticed this from my travel this summer and admit, double checked when they “upgraded” me at pick up that I didn’t have one. When I’m traveling in a new city I don’t want to worry about figuring out how to charge a car. I know how to go to a gas station.

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Anonymous wrote:My issue is batteries. I like to keep cars a long time. EV batteries are expensive and I don’t want such an expense too early. Maybe leasing makes more sense for them.

Well here's a Tesla that's been used as an airport taxi for years and racked up 430,000 miles on the original battery pack - https://www.thecooldown.com/green-business/tesla-model-s-2016-90d-range-test/

Being used in a fleet to do repeated short trips is pretty much the ideal use for EVs, and I don't think anyone really objects to that. If EVs stay in that lane, then you get a nice net benefit to the environment.

Its the luxury 5,000 pound EV that's leased and ends up in the crusher by the time its 10 years old that is the dubious proposition for the environment. Especially when its being used for the same trips a Vespa could handle.

lol too bad all the EV’s last 15-20 years. That is twice the life cycle of internal combustion vehicles. EVs also draw power from the grid which is 12 times cleaner vs combustion vehicles. You are very uniformed. Why is it conservatives all think their random opinions are fact?

While not a perfect example, there is not a single EV at least 15 years old available on Auto Trader within 50 miles of DC. There are 1,859 ICE vehicles that are 15+ years old. That's not counting classic cars, of which so many exist they have their own separate site.

Are you intentionally making a stupid argument? There aren’t 15 year old EVs being sold on auto trader because 15 years ago no one was selling EVs. Recordkeeping started in 2011 with under 10,000 sales nationwide. The Tesla model S didn’t go on sale til 2012.

The grid can handle EVs fine. What is stressing the grid now is AI and crypto — ask the Lt Gov of Texas— so if you are really worried about the grid you should shut those down, or at least regulate them reasonably.

Maybe you should have replied to the guy saying EVs last 15-20 years instead. The Tesla Roadster was made in 2008, and there was even a 2011 model for sale on Autotrader (with 0 miles lol). There is also the EV1 from the 90s which all got sent to the crusher. You can still buy ICE Chevys from the late 90s though.

Thanks for confirming you are being intentionally stupid and trollish by conparing the Roadster, of which fewer than 2,000 cars were *ever* sold in the US, with a Chevy, which sold 500k to a million cars *each year* in the 1990s.

Gee, boss oil, I wonder why there are more Chevys on the road? Must be because those EVs aren’t durable.

Once again, the original claim is that EVs last for 15-20 years. There are no 15+ year old EVs on the road or on the used car market. Every EV that old is a museum piece or was crushed already. Therefore, the claim that EVs last 15-20 years is baseless.

Those late 90s Chevy's also are worth more than much newer EVs:
97 Camaro with 130,000 miles for $8,000: https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicle/696317313
14 I3 (tired of picking on the Leaf) 45,000 miles for the same $8,000 (original MSRP of $42,000+): https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicle/696285962
That I3 is on the HOV lane to the crusher after only 10 years.

No EV made is on pace to make it to 20 years.

Lol you must’ve forgotten, or maybe you never really knew.

The reason you don’t see older EVs on the street is because oil industry and Detroit auto oligarchs forcibly took away electric cars and destroyed them.

https://youtu.be/c1vphD11b3Y?si=WtbLlauTcUVeB3Lf