Why do staunch republicans hate electric vehicles?

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Anonymous wrote:My issue is batteries. I like to keep cars a long time. EV batteries are expensive and I don’t want such an expense too early. Maybe leasing makes more sense for them.

Well here's a Tesla that's been used as an airport taxi for years and racked up 430,000 miles on the original battery pack - https://www.thecooldown.com/green-business/tesla-model-s-2016-90d-range-test/

Being used in a fleet to do repeated short trips is pretty much the ideal use for EVs, and I don't think anyone really objects to that. If EVs stay in that lane, then you get a nice net benefit to the environment.

Its the luxury 5,000 pound EV that's leased and ends up in the crusher by the time its 10 years old that is the dubious proposition for the environment. Especially when its being used for the same trips a Vespa could handle.

lol too bad all the EV’s last 15-20 years. That is twice the life cycle of internal combustion vehicles. EVs also draw power from the grid which is 12 times cleaner vs combustion vehicles. You are very uniformed. Why is it conservatives all think their random opinions are fact?

Isn't the average car on the road now 12 years old? And that will be an internal combustion engine. Those who have Japanese cars know you can get 20 years out of the engine with regular care.

I am intrigued by EVs and do think electric is the wave of the future and probably will be my ext car, but it's hard to deny there isn't an element of virtue signaling about them. And the grid cannot support all cars switching to EVs! I also noticed that prices for used (2-3 year old) EVs seen to be lower than comparable gas cars. It's something I need to investigate. Second hand Teslas are surprisingly affordable.

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Anonymous wrote:My issue is batteries. I like to keep cars a long time. EV batteries are expensive and I don’t want such an expense too early. Maybe leasing makes more sense for them.

Well here's a Tesla that's been used as an airport taxi for years and racked up 430,000 miles on the original battery pack - https://www.thecooldown.com/green-business/tesla-model-s-2016-90d-range-test/

Being used in a fleet to do repeated short trips is pretty much the ideal use for EVs, and I don't think anyone really objects to that. If EVs stay in that lane, then you get a nice net benefit to the environment.

Its the luxury 5,000 pound EV that's leased and ends up in the crusher by the time its 10 years old that is the dubious proposition for the environment. Especially when its being used for the same trips a Vespa could handle.

lol too bad all the EV’s last 15-20 years. That is twice the life cycle of internal combustion vehicles. EVs also draw power from the grid which is 12 times cleaner vs combustion vehicles. You are very uniformed. Why is it conservatives all think their random opinions are fact?

While not a perfect example, there is not a single EV at least 15 years old available on Auto Trader within 50 miles of DC. There are 1,859 ICE vehicles that are 15+ years old. That's not counting classic cars, of which so many exist they have their own separate site.

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Anonymous wrote:My issue is batteries. I like to keep cars a long time. EV batteries are expensive and I don’t want such an expense too early. Maybe leasing makes more sense for them.

Well here's a Tesla that's been used as an airport taxi for years and racked up 430,000 miles on the original battery pack - https://www.thecooldown.com/green-business/tesla-model-s-2016-90d-range-test/

Being used in a fleet to do repeated short trips is pretty much the ideal use for EVs, and I don't think anyone really objects to that. If EVs stay in that lane, then you get a nice net benefit to the environment.

Its the luxury 5,000 pound EV that's leased and ends up in the crusher by the time its 10 years old that is the dubious proposition for the environment. Especially when its being used for the same trips a Vespa could handle.

lol too bad all the EV’s last 15-20 years. That is twice the life cycle of internal combustion vehicles. EVs also draw power from the grid which is 12 times cleaner vs combustion vehicles. You are very uniformed. Why is it conservatives all think their random opinions are fact?

Isn't the average car on the road now 12 years old? And that will be an internal combustion engine. Those who have Japanese cars know you can get 20 years out of the engine with regular care.

I am intrigued by EVs and do think electric is the wave of the future and probably will be my ext car, but it's hard to deny there isn't an element of virtue signaling about them. And the grid cannot support all cars switching to EVs! I also noticed that prices for used (2-3 year old) EVs seen to be lower than comparable gas cars. It's something I need to investigate. Second hand Teslas are surprisingly affordable.

The grid isn't ready for a sudden massive switch to EVs, but it will grow as EV utilization grows. Used Tesla prices are low, but keep in mind that batteries lose capacity over time so the range of the older units on the market probably isn't what is was when new.

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Anonymous wrote:My issue is batteries. I like to keep cars a long time. EV batteries are expensive and I don’t want such an expense too early. Maybe leasing makes more sense for them.

Well here's a Tesla that's been used as an airport taxi for years and racked up 430,000 miles on the original battery pack - https://www.thecooldown.com/green-business/tesla-model-s-2016-90d-range-test/

Being used in a fleet to do repeated short trips is pretty much the ideal use for EVs, and I don't think anyone really objects to that. If EVs stay in that lane, then you get a nice net benefit to the environment.

Its the luxury 5,000 pound EV that's leased and ends up in the crusher by the time its 10 years old that is the dubious proposition for the environment. Especially when its being used for the same trips a Vespa could handle.

lol too bad all the EV’s last 15-20 years. That is twice the life cycle of internal combustion vehicles. EVs also draw power from the grid which is 12 times cleaner vs combustion vehicles. You are very uniformed. Why is it conservatives all think their random opinions are fact?

Isn't the average car on the road now 12 years old? And that will be an internal combustion engine. Those who have Japanese cars know you can get 20 years out of the engine with regular care.

I am intrigued by EVs and do think electric is the wave of the future and probably will be my ext car, but it's hard to deny there isn't an element of virtue signaling about them. And the grid cannot support all cars switching to EVs! I also noticed that prices for used (2-3 year old) EVs seen to be lower than comparable gas cars. It's something I need to investigate. Second hand Teslas are surprisingly affordable.

Meanwhile Toyota hybrids are in high demand, it's virtually impossible to find one used and when you do, its resale value is close to retail value, far less depreciation than the typical ICE. Also, they have been becoming legendary for their longevity. I know of several people who have various Toyota hybrids with hundreds of thousands of miles on them, far more than the typical ICE lasts for. Again, barely any issues at all with those batteries or other components that the right wing claimed would fail fast.

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Conservatives hate EVs because they don't go VROOM VROOM like real he-man cars do. Everything else is excuses.

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They have to hate EVs, otherwise it gets in the way of Trump's pay-to-play bribery solicitation scheme with Big Oil.

https://www.citizensforethics.org/legal-action/legal-complaints/crew-files-criminal-bribery-complaint-on-trump-meeting-with-oil-and-gas-executives/

The FBI and Department of Justice should investigate whether Donald Trump violated the law by promising political favors, if re-elected, to the oil and gas industry in exchange for $1 billion in campaign donations, according to a complaint filed today by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. In a closed door meeting in April, Trump reportedly told a group of oil and gas executives that they should raise $1 billion for his campaign and promised that he would take specific actions, including issuing drilling and export permits that some oil and gas companies have pursued for years, on “day one” of his next presidential term.

Trump reportedly described the offer as a “deal,” and public reporting shows that since this meeting, Trump’s fundraising from the oil and gas industry has picked up substantially and that the industry has been drafting executive orders that its members hope Trump would quickly implement as president.

“We cannot have government officials making important policy as a result of corrupt exchanges that benefit them, rather than what is in the interest of the American people. That’s why the law is clear that a request for a benefit, including campaign contributions, in exchange for an official act is a bribe,” said CREW President Noah Bookbinder. “Donald Trump’s actions here follow a pattern of Trump opening himself up to corrupt influence, courting conflicts of interest, and using official positions to enrich himself–and in this case may run afoul of the criminal law.”

Should he regain the presidency, Trump will be in a position to lead and pressure the federal agencies responsible for regulating the oil and gas industries and to issue executive orders that will directly affect those industries.

“It is crucial that we have a quick and thorough investigation to determine whether Donald Trump’s conduct with oil and gas executives violate core corruption laws which are meant to protect the government from undue influence and corruption,” said Bookbinder. “The public deserves to know whether Trump’s request for $1 billion went beyond merely epitomizing our system of excessive corporate influence on politics and in fact crossed the legal line.”

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Anonymous wrote:My issue is batteries. I like to keep cars a long time. EV batteries are expensive and I don’t want such an expense too early. Maybe leasing makes more sense for them.

Well here's a Tesla that's been used as an airport taxi for years and racked up 430,000 miles on the original battery pack - https://www.thecooldown.com/green-business/tesla-model-s-2016-90d-range-test/

Being used in a fleet to do repeated short trips is pretty much the ideal use for EVs, and I don't think anyone really objects to that. If EVs stay in that lane, then you get a nice net benefit to the environment.

Its the luxury 5,000 pound EV that's leased and ends up in the crusher by the time its 10 years old that is the dubious proposition for the environment. Especially when its being used for the same trips a Vespa could handle.

lol too bad all the EV’s last 15-20 years. That is twice the life cycle of internal combustion vehicles. EVs also draw power from the grid which is 12 times cleaner vs combustion vehicles. You are very uniformed. Why is it conservatives all think their random opinions are fact?

Isn't the average car on the road now 12 years old? And that will be an internal combustion engine. Those who have Japanese cars know you can get 20 years out of the engine with regular care.

I am intrigued by EVs and do think electric is the wave of the future and probably will be my ext car, but it's hard to deny there isn't an element of virtue signaling about them. And the grid cannot support all cars switching to EVs! I also noticed that prices for used (2-3 year old) EVs seen to be lower than comparable gas cars. It's something I need to investigate. Second hand Teslas are surprisingly affordable.

Meanwhile Toyota hybrids are in high demand, it's virtually impossible to find one used and when you do, its resale value is close to retail value, far less depreciation than the typical ICE. Also, they have been becoming legendary for their longevity. I know of several people who have various Toyota hybrids with hundreds of thousands of miles on them, far more than the typical ICE lasts for. Again, barely any issues at all with those batteries or other components that the right wing claimed would fail fast.

Advise you to stop talking about "right wing" as it only makes your posts nonsensical. There are many concerns about buying EVs right now that have nothing to do with right wing or left wing and that's leaving aside the most famous EV car on the road is Tesla, owned by Musk, who, from what I gather, is categorized as "right wing" by people like you.

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Anonymous wrote:My issue is batteries. I like to keep cars a long time. EV batteries are expensive and I don’t want such an expense too early. Maybe leasing makes more sense for them.

Well here's a Tesla that's been used as an airport taxi for years and racked up 430,000 miles on the original battery pack - https://www.thecooldown.com/green-business/tesla-model-s-2016-90d-range-test/

Being used in a fleet to do repeated short trips is pretty much the ideal use for EVs, and I don't think anyone really objects to that. If EVs stay in that lane, then you get a nice net benefit to the environment.

Its the luxury 5,000 pound EV that's leased and ends up in the crusher by the time its 10 years old that is the dubious proposition for the environment. Especially when its being used for the same trips a Vespa could handle.

lol too bad all the EV’s last 15-20 years. That is twice the life cycle of internal combustion vehicles. EVs also draw power from the grid which is 12 times cleaner vs combustion vehicles. You are very uniformed. Why is it conservatives all think their random opinions are fact?

While not a perfect example, there is not a single EV at least 15 years old available on Auto Trader within 50 miles of DC. There are 1,859 ICE vehicles that are 15+ years old. That's not counting classic cars, of which so many exist they have their own separate site.

Are you intentionally making a stupid argument? There aren’t 15 year old EVs being sold on auto trader because 15 years ago no one was selling EVs. Recordkeeping started in 2011 with under 10,000 sales nationwide. The Tesla model S didn’t go on sale til 2012.

The grid can handle EVs fine. What is stressing the grid now is AI and crypto — ask the Lt Gov of Texas— so if you are really worried about the grid you should shut those down, or at least regulate them reasonably.

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Anonymous wrote:My issue is batteries. I like to keep cars a long time. EV batteries are expensive and I don’t want such an expense too early. Maybe leasing makes more sense for them.

Well here's a Tesla that's been used as an airport taxi for years and racked up 430,000 miles on the original battery pack - https://www.thecooldown.com/green-business/tesla-model-s-2016-90d-range-test/

Being used in a fleet to do repeated short trips is pretty much the ideal use for EVs, and I don't think anyone really objects to that. If EVs stay in that lane, then you get a nice net benefit to the environment.

Its the luxury 5,000 pound EV that's leased and ends up in the crusher by the time its 10 years old that is the dubious proposition for the environment. Especially when its being used for the same trips a Vespa could handle.

lol too bad all the EV’s last 15-20 years. That is twice the life cycle of internal combustion vehicles. EVs also draw power from the grid which is 12 times cleaner vs combustion vehicles. You are very uniformed. Why is it conservatives all think their random opinions are fact?

Isn't the average car on the road now 12 years old? And that will be an internal combustion engine. Those who have Japanese cars know you can get 20 years out of the engine with regular care.

I am intrigued by EVs and do think electric is the wave of the future and probably will be my ext car, but it's hard to deny there isn't an element of virtue signaling about them. And the grid cannot support all cars switching to EVs! I also noticed that prices for used (2-3 year old) EVs seen to be lower than comparable gas cars. It's something I need to investigate. Second hand Teslas are surprisingly affordable.

Meanwhile Toyota hybrids are in high demand, it's virtually impossible to find one used and when you do, its resale value is close to retail value, far less depreciation than the typical ICE. Also, they have been becoming legendary for their longevity. I know of several people who have various Toyota hybrids with hundreds of thousands of miles on them, far more than the typical ICE lasts for. Again, barely any issues at all with those batteries or other components that the right wing claimed would fail fast.

Advise you to stop talking about "right wing" as it only makes your posts nonsensical. There are many concerns about buying EVs right now that have nothing to do with right wing or left wing and that's leaving aside the most famous EV car on the road is Tesla, owned by Musk, who, from what I gather, is categorized as "right wing" by people like you.

LOL don't #bothsides this. NOBODY on the left is concerned about EVs. But they do think Musk has lost his marbles. Musk losing his marbles has nothing to do with EVs.

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Anonymous wrote:My issue is batteries. I like to keep cars a long time. EV batteries are expensive and I don’t want such an expense too early. Maybe leasing makes more sense for them.

Well here's a Tesla that's been used as an airport taxi for years and racked up 430,000 miles on the original battery pack - https://www.thecooldown.com/green-business/tesla-model-s-2016-90d-range-test/

Being used in a fleet to do repeated short trips is pretty much the ideal use for EVs, and I don't think anyone really objects to that. If EVs stay in that lane, then you get a nice net benefit to the environment.

Its the luxury 5,000 pound EV that's leased and ends up in the crusher by the time its 10 years old that is the dubious proposition for the environment. Especially when its being used for the same trips a Vespa could handle.

lol too bad all the EV’s last 15-20 years. That is twice the life cycle of internal combustion vehicles. EVs also draw power from the grid which is 12 times cleaner vs combustion vehicles. You are very uniformed. Why is it conservatives all think their random opinions are fact?

Isn't the average car on the road now 12 years old? And that will be an internal combustion engine. Those who have Japanese cars know you can get 20 years out of the engine with regular care.

I am intrigued by EVs and do think electric is the wave of the future and probably will be my ext car, but it's hard to deny there isn't an element of virtue signaling about them. And the grid cannot support all cars switching to EVs! I also noticed that prices for used (2-3 year old) EVs seen to be lower than comparable gas cars. It's something I need to investigate. Second hand Teslas are surprisingly affordable.

Meanwhile Toyota hybrids are in high demand, it's virtually impossible to find one used and when you do, its resale value is close to retail value, far less depreciation than the typical ICE. Also, they have been becoming legendary for their longevity. I know of several people who have various Toyota hybrids with hundreds of thousands of miles on them, far more than the typical ICE lasts for. Again, barely any issues at all with those batteries or other components that the right wing claimed would fail fast.

Advise you to stop talking about "right wing" as it only makes your posts nonsensical. There are many concerns about buying EVs right now that have nothing to do with right wing or left wing and that's leaving aside the most famous EV car on the road is Tesla, owned by Musk, who, from what I gather, is categorized as "right wing" by people like you.

LOL don't #bothsides this. NOBODY on the left is concerned about EVs. But they do think Musk has lost his marbles. Musk losing his marbles has nothing to do with EVs.

While Democrats generally have a more positive view of EVs, to claim there is no concern on the left is a flat out lie.



https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/06/27/about-3-in-10-americans-would-seriously-consider-buying-an-electric-vehicle/

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Anonymous wrote:My issue is batteries. I like to keep cars a long time. EV batteries are expensive and I don’t want such an expense too early. Maybe leasing makes more sense for them.

Well here's a Tesla that's been used as an airport taxi for years and racked up 430,000 miles on the original battery pack - https://www.thecooldown.com/green-business/tesla-model-s-2016-90d-range-test/

Being used in a fleet to do repeated short trips is pretty much the ideal use for EVs, and I don't think anyone really objects to that. If EVs stay in that lane, then you get a nice net benefit to the environment.

Its the luxury 5,000 pound EV that's leased and ends up in the crusher by the time its 10 years old that is the dubious proposition for the environment. Especially when its being used for the same trips a Vespa could handle.

lol too bad all the EV’s last 15-20 years. That is twice the life cycle of internal combustion vehicles. EVs also draw power from the grid which is 12 times cleaner vs combustion vehicles. You are very uniformed. Why is it conservatives all think their random opinions are fact?

While not a perfect example, there is not a single EV at least 15 years old available on Auto Trader within 50 miles of DC. There are 1,859 ICE vehicles that are 15+ years old. That's not counting classic cars, of which so many exist they have their own separate site.

Are you intentionally making a stupid argument? There aren’t 15 year old EVs being sold on auto trader because 15 years ago no one was selling EVs. Recordkeeping started in 2011 with under 10,000 sales nationwide. The Tesla model S didn’t go on sale til 2012.

The grid can handle EVs fine. What is stressing the grid now is AI and crypto — ask the Lt Gov of Texas— so if you are really worried about the grid you should shut those down, or at least regulate them reasonably.

Maybe you should have replied to the guy saying EVs last 15-20 years instead. The Tesla Roadster was made in 2008, and there was even a 2011 model for sale on Autotrader (with 0 miles lol). There is also the EV1 from the 90s which all got sent to the crusher. You can still buy ICE Chevys from the late 90s though.

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Anonymous wrote:My issue is batteries. I like to keep cars a long time. EV batteries are expensive and I don’t want such an expense too early. Maybe leasing makes more sense for them.

Well here's a Tesla that's been used as an airport taxi for years and racked up 430,000 miles on the original battery pack - https://www.thecooldown.com/green-business/tesla-model-s-2016-90d-range-test/

Being used in a fleet to do repeated short trips is pretty much the ideal use for EVs, and I don't think anyone really objects to that. If EVs stay in that lane, then you get a nice net benefit to the environment.

Its the luxury 5,000 pound EV that's leased and ends up in the crusher by the time its 10 years old that is the dubious proposition for the environment. Especially when its being used for the same trips a Vespa could handle.

lol too bad all the EV’s last 15-20 years. That is twice the life cycle of internal combustion vehicles. EVs also draw power from the grid which is 12 times cleaner vs combustion vehicles. You are very uniformed. Why is it conservatives all think their random opinions are fact?

Isn't the average car on the road now 12 years old? And that will be an internal combustion engine. Those who have Japanese cars know you can get 20 years out of the engine with regular care.

I am intrigued by EVs and do think electric is the wave of the future and probably will be my ext car, but it's hard to deny there isn't an element of virtue signaling about them. And the grid cannot support all cars switching to EVs! I also noticed that prices for used (2-3 year old) EVs seen to be lower than comparable gas cars. It's something I need to investigate. Second hand Teslas are surprisingly affordable.

Meanwhile Toyota hybrids are in high demand, it's virtually impossible to find one used and when you do, its resale value is close to retail value, far less depreciation than the typical ICE. Also, they have been becoming legendary for their longevity. I know of several people who have various Toyota hybrids with hundreds of thousands of miles on them, far more than the typical ICE lasts for. Again, barely any issues at all with those batteries or other components that the right wing claimed would fail fast.

Those bulletproof Toyota hybrids all used NiMH batteries. We'll see how they hold up now that they are lithium based.

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Anonymous wrote:My issue is batteries. I like to keep cars a long time. EV batteries are expensive and I don’t want such an expense too early. Maybe leasing makes more sense for them.

Well here's a Tesla that's been used as an airport taxi for years and racked up 430,000 miles on the original battery pack - https://www.thecooldown.com/green-business/tesla-model-s-2016-90d-range-test/

Being used in a fleet to do repeated short trips is pretty much the ideal use for EVs, and I don't think anyone really objects to that. If EVs stay in that lane, then you get a nice net benefit to the environment.

Its the luxury 5,000 pound EV that's leased and ends up in the crusher by the time its 10 years old that is the dubious proposition for the environment. Especially when its being used for the same trips a Vespa could handle.

lol too bad all the EV’s last 15-20 years. That is twice the life cycle of internal combustion vehicles. EVs also draw power from the grid which is 12 times cleaner vs combustion vehicles. You are very uniformed. Why is it conservatives all think their random opinions are fact?

While not a perfect example, there is not a single EV at least 15 years old available on Auto Trader within 50 miles of DC. There are 1,859 ICE vehicles that are 15+ years old. That's not counting classic cars, of which so many exist they have their own separate site.

Are you intentionally making a stupid argument? There aren’t 15 year old EVs being sold on auto trader because 15 years ago no one was selling EVs. Recordkeeping started in 2011 with under 10,000 sales nationwide. The Tesla model S didn’t go on sale til 2012.

The grid can handle EVs fine. What is stressing the grid now is AI and crypto — ask the Lt Gov of Texas— so if you are really worried about the grid you should shut those down, or at least regulate them reasonably.

Maybe you should have replied to the guy saying EVs last 15-20 years instead. The Tesla Roadster was made in 2008, and there was even a 2011 model for sale on Autotrader (with 0 miles lol). There is also the EV1 from the 90s which all got sent to the crusher. You can still buy ICE Chevys from the late 90s though.

Thanks for confirming you are being intentionally stupid and trollish by conparing the Roadster, of which fewer than 2,000 cars were *ever* sold in the US, with a Chevy, which sold 500k to a million cars *each year* in the 1990s.

Gee, boss oil, I wonder why there are more Chevys on the road? Must be because those EVs aren’t durable.

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Anonymous wrote:My issue is batteries. I like to keep cars a long time. EV batteries are expensive and I don’t want such an expense too early. Maybe leasing makes more sense for them.

Well here's a Tesla that's been used as an airport taxi for years and racked up 430,000 miles on the original battery pack - https://www.thecooldown.com/green-business/tesla-model-s-2016-90d-range-test/

Being used in a fleet to do repeated short trips is pretty much the ideal use for EVs, and I don't think anyone really objects to that. If EVs stay in that lane, then you get a nice net benefit to the environment.

Its the luxury 5,000 pound EV that's leased and ends up in the crusher by the time its 10 years old that is the dubious proposition for the environment. Especially when its being used for the same trips a Vespa could handle.

lol too bad all the EV’s last 15-20 years. That is twice the life cycle of internal combustion vehicles. EVs also draw power from the grid which is 12 times cleaner vs combustion vehicles. You are very uniformed. Why is it conservatives all think their random opinions are fact?

While not a perfect example, there is not a single EV at least 15 years old available on Auto Trader within 50 miles of DC. There are 1,859 ICE vehicles that are 15+ years old. That's not counting classic cars, of which so many exist they have their own separate site.

Are you intentionally making a stupid argument? There aren’t 15 year old EVs being sold on auto trader because 15 years ago no one was selling EVs. Recordkeeping started in 2011 with under 10,000 sales nationwide. The Tesla model S didn’t go on sale til 2012.

The grid can handle EVs fine. What is stressing the grid now is AI and crypto — ask the Lt Gov of Texas— so if you are really worried about the grid you should shut those down, or at least regulate them reasonably.

Maybe you should have replied to the guy saying EVs last 15-20 years instead. The Tesla Roadster was made in 2008, and there was even a 2011 model for sale on Autotrader (with 0 miles lol). There is also the EV1 from the 90s which all got sent to the crusher. You can still buy ICE Chevys from the late 90s though.

Thanks for confirming you are being intentionally stupid and trollish by conparing the Roadster, of which fewer than 2,000 cars were *ever* sold in the US, with a Chevy, which sold 500k to a million cars *each year* in the 1990s.

Gee, boss oil, I wonder why there are more Chevys on the road? Must be because those EVs aren’t durable.

Once again, the original claim is that EVs last for 15-20 years. There are no 15+ year old EVs on the road or on the used car market. Every EV that old is a museum piece or was crushed already. Therefore, the claim that EVs last 15-20 years is baseless.

Those late 90s Chevy's also are worth more than much newer EVs:
97 Camaro with 130,000 miles for $8,000: https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicle/696317313
14 I3 (tired of picking on the Leaf) 45,000 miles for the same $8,000 (original MSRP of $42,000+): https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicle/696285962
That I3 is on the HOV lane to the crusher after only 10 years.

No EV made is on pace to make it to 20 years.

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Anonymous wrote:My issue is batteries. I like to keep cars a long time. EV batteries are expensive and I don’t want such an expense too early. Maybe leasing makes more sense for them.

Well here's a Tesla that's been used as an airport taxi for years and racked up 430,000 miles on the original battery pack - https://www.thecooldown.com/green-business/tesla-model-s-2016-90d-range-test/

Being used in a fleet to do repeated short trips is pretty much the ideal use for EVs, and I don't think anyone really objects to that. If EVs stay in that lane, then you get a nice net benefit to the environment.

Its the luxury 5,000 pound EV that's leased and ends up in the crusher by the time its 10 years old that is the dubious proposition for the environment. Especially when its being used for the same trips a Vespa could handle.

lol too bad all the EV’s last 15-20 years. That is twice the life cycle of internal combustion vehicles. EVs also draw power from the grid which is 12 times cleaner vs combustion vehicles. You are very uniformed. Why is it conservatives all think their random opinions are fact?

While not a perfect example, there is not a single EV at least 15 years old available on Auto Trader within 50 miles of DC. There are 1,859 ICE vehicles that are 15+ years old. That's not counting classic cars, of which so many exist they have their own separate site.

Are you intentionally making a stupid argument? There aren’t 15 year old EVs being sold on auto trader because 15 years ago no one was selling EVs. Recordkeeping started in 2011 with under 10,000 sales nationwide. The Tesla model S didn’t go on sale til 2012.

The grid can handle EVs fine. What is stressing the grid now is AI and crypto — ask the Lt Gov of Texas— so if you are really worried about the grid you should shut those down, or at least regulate them reasonably.

Maybe you should have replied to the guy saying EVs last 15-20 years instead. The Tesla Roadster was made in 2008, and there was even a 2011 model for sale on Autotrader (with 0 miles lol). There is also the EV1 from the 90s which all got sent to the crusher. You can still buy ICE Chevys from the late 90s though.

The percentage of ICE Chevies made in the 1990s still running fine compared to how many were originally built is pretty tiny.