McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS

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Anonymous wrote:Just wait until the people in Great Falls realize they are not part of McLean proper.

Just wait until you realize that Great Falls makes up at least half - if not more - of Langley students.

Sounds like McLean is starting to catch up to where Great Falls already was in terms of disappointment with FCPS. If they are allowed to exit, I’m sure they will coordinate and do so together, especially since both Langley HS and McLean HS are in McLean.

Langley, however, is happy with FCPS, not disappointed.

Because Langley HS is practically brand new since 2018 after renovations.

Langley parent here. We’re happy that we finally got a much-needed renovation, but that doesn’t mean we’re all happy with the direction FCPS has been going. I imagine there would be huge support among the Langley community to separate from FCPS, if it came to that.

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Anonymous wrote:Where is special ed in all this? Langley and McLean pyramids don't have a bunch of the FCPS programs. Legally, you have to provide comparable and meet the IEP or get the pants sued off you. So it will have to be set up. And given that it's McLean, you're going to get the pants sued off you anyway constantly, all the time, by parents demanding 1:1 aides and 1:1 Orton-Gillingham and placements at Ivymount and Lab and Oakwood and Fusion. This will add millions in costs. Do people understand how expensive this stuff is? I looked up Greenwich, CT and there are multiple articles over the years about them constantly overrunning their special ed budget due to having to fund out-of-district placements. A drop in the bucket for FCPS, a major balance sheet issue for McLean City Public Schools.

And Greenwich has almost triple the property tax rate of Fairfax County. Brookline is about double. There are some serious rose-tinted glasses going on here.

Excellent point. Either they haven't considered it, or they're banking on people either putting their children with SN in private schools at their own expense.

The more relevant comparison would be taxes in Falls Church City, not Brookline.

No. Falls Church separated in 1949. Decades before IDEA was passed. Therefore the programs developed organically, and they sure don’t seem to have much. McLean will be faced with legal obligations to replicate an existing system. They’re going to need discrete programs like Brookline has. They are also going to have to cope with aggressive, moneyed families with lawyers who will expect the best for their SN students the same way this thread is demanding better for typical students because of wealth. You don’t get one without the other.

It’s telling that you’d try to use SN kids as a pretext to defend the continued under-investment in McLean schools that works to the detriment of all the kids in that area.

Greater McLean would be far better off untethered by those in control from elsewhere in the county who treat it as a cash cow but otherwise ignore it and leave the parents to provide supplemental support.

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People like the PP are so transparent. They’ll keep throwing up hypothetical roadblocks because they can’t stand the thought of the cash cow that is McLean/Great Falls being “allowed” to separate from FCPS.

MCA does not include Great Falls, I don't think they are thinking about including Great Falls.

Great Falls residents make up at least 50% of Langley students - if not more. Of course GF would be included.

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Anonymous wrote:Some basic facts:

McLean does not begrudge Langley getting its scheduled renovation and an addition. Some don’t agree FCPS should have bumped up the size of that addition without more transparency.

Langley welcomes kids from McLean as long as they don’t just overcrowd Cooper or Langley and supports an addition to McLean.

Langley is not racist and would welcome kids from McLean living in apartments in Tysons.

McLean is not racist and would welcome the kids from the 1/2 of its Title I feeder that go to Falls Church if FCPS actually added space at McLean for them.

Both Langley and McLean are tired of super large size classes, uncertainties around boundaries, and the general sense that FCPS likes their tax money but otherwise plans poorly for their pyramids and generally sends them the message to shut up and accept what they are given.

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Well said. It’s pretty obvious the naysayers on this thread don’t have kids at either Langley or McLean.

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Anonymous wrote:Took my kid to Justice HS this morning for SAT and Justice has better facilities than McLean. McLean looks like a dump, and I can’t even play tennis at McLean because they put trailers on the tennis courts. I am paying 25k/yr for my McLean home property tax and get shitty McLean HS facilities. I am for separating Mclean from Fairfax county.

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We were there too for the SAT and I was thinking the same thing.

As a parent of a McLean HS senior, I am so sick and tired of McLean getting run down facilities while McLean property taxes are being used to prop up other high schools in FCPS. I live next to McLean HS and I have to drive to Langley HS to use the Track and Field. The track at McLean HS is quite dirty with leaves and debris near the side of Davidson road and surrounding around the track & Field is not very well maintained, a complete opposite at Langley HS. Everything is so well taken care of at Langley HS. It makes me wonder where my property tax has gone to. I have an 8th grader at Longfellow and we just sold our house in McLean and get a new place in Langley Oaks so that DC can go to Langley HS next year. I've had enough of this drama from McLean HS.

McLean HS quality of education has gone down in recent years. Mclean HS used to be just as good or even better than Langley HS but that's not the case in the past few years. As of 2020 USNews ranking, Langley HS ranks 126th while McLean has gone down to 236th.

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Anonymous wrote:Took my kid to Justice HS this morning for SAT and Justice has better facilities than McLean. McLean looks like a dump, and I can’t even play tennis at McLean because they put trailers on the tennis courts. I am paying 25k/yr for my McLean home property tax and get shitty McLean HS facilities. I am for separating Mclean from Fairfax county.

They have started to unload the cheap modular and it is almost as ugly as the shitty trailers sitting on the tennis courts. Justice is less crowded than McLean and they are getting a $20 million permanent addition designed by an architect. Of course McLean should try to sever its ties from Fairfax County and FCPS. We all now that there is only one School Board member who’ll speak up for a better facility and smaller class in thst area and she’ll be bullied into silence by the other members who just want McLean’s tax money.

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Anonymous wrote:Took my kid to Justice HS this morning for SAT and Justice has better facilities than McLean. McLean looks like a dump, and I can’t even play tennis at McLean because they put trailers on the tennis courts. I am paying 25k/yr for my McLean home property tax and get shitty McLean HS facilities. I am for separating Mclean from Fairfax county.

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We were there too for the SAT and I was thinking the same thing.

As a parent of a McLean HS senior, I am so sick and tired of McLean getting run down facilities while McLean property taxes are being used to prop up other high schools in FCPS. I live next to McLean HS and I have to drive to Langley HS to use the Track and Field. The track at McLean HS is quite dirty with leaves and debris near the side of Davidson road and surrounding around the track & Field is not very well maintained, a complete opposite at Langley HS. Everything is so well taken care of at Langley HS. It makes me wonder where my property tax has gone to. I have an 8th grader at Longfellow and we just sold our house in McLean and get a new place in Langley Oaks so that DC can go to Langley HS next year. I've had enough of this drama from McLean HS.

McLean HS quality of education has gone down in recent years. Mclean HS used to be just as good or even better than Langley HS but that's not the case in the past few years. As of 2020 USNews ranking, Langley HS ranks 126th while McLean has gone down to 236th.

Sorry, but I don’t believe you. I think you are the same Langley poster who shows up on every McLean-related thread with some story about the track, the tennis courts, or the bathrooms.

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Anonymous wrote:Took my kid to Justice HS this morning for SAT and Justice has better facilities than McLean. McLean looks like a dump, and I can’t even play tennis at McLean because they put trailers on the tennis courts. I am paying 25k/yr for my McLean home property tax and get shitty McLean HS facilities. I am for separating Mclean from Fairfax county.

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We were there too for the SAT and I was thinking the same thing.

As a parent of a McLean HS senior, I am so sick and tired of McLean getting run down facilities while McLean property taxes are being used to prop up other high schools in FCPS. I live next to McLean HS and I have to drive to Langley HS to use the Track and Field. The track at McLean HS is quite dirty with leaves and debris near the side of Davidson road and surrounding around the track & Field is not very well maintained, a complete opposite at Langley HS. Everything is so well taken care of at Langley HS. It makes me wonder where my property tax has gone to. I have an 8th grader at Longfellow and we just sold our house in McLean and get a new place in Langley Oaks so that DC can go to Langley HS next year. I've had enough of this drama from McLean HS.

McLean HS quality of education has gone down in recent years. Mclean HS used to be just as good or even better than Langley HS but that's not the case in the past few years. As of 2020 USNews ranking, Langley HS ranks 126th while McLean has gone down to 236th.

Sorry, but I don’t believe you. I think you are the same Langley poster who shows up on every McLean-related thread with some story about the track, the tennis courts, or the bathrooms.

DP. You sound more than a little insecure. There are lots of posters on DCUM, and many are Langley and McLean parents. Plenty of McLean parents have posted about how bad the facilities are at McLean.

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Anonymous wrote:Took my kid to Justice HS this morning for SAT and Justice has better facilities than McLean. McLean looks like a dump, and I can’t even play tennis at McLean because they put trailers on the tennis courts. I am paying 25k/yr for my McLean home property tax and get shitty McLean HS facilities. I am for separating Mclean from Fairfax county.

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We were there too for the SAT and I was thinking the same thing.

As a parent of a McLean HS senior, I am so sick and tired of McLean getting run down facilities while McLean property taxes are being used to prop up other high schools in FCPS. I live next to McLean HS and I have to drive to Langley HS to use the Track and Field. The track at McLean HS is quite dirty with leaves and debris near the side of Davidson road and surrounding around the track & Field is not very well maintained, a complete opposite at Langley HS. Everything is so well taken care of at Langley HS. It makes me wonder where my property tax has gone to. I have an 8th grader at Longfellow and we just sold our house in McLean and get a new place in Langley Oaks so that DC can go to Langley HS next year. I've had enough of this drama from McLean HS.

McLean HS quality of education has gone down in recent years. Mclean HS used to be just as good or even better than Langley HS but that's not the case in the past few years. As of 2020 USNews ranking, Langley HS ranks 126th while McLean has gone down to 236th.

Sorry, but I don’t believe you. I think you are the same Langley poster who shows up on every McLean-related thread with some story about the track, the tennis courts, or the bathrooms.

DP. You sound more than a little insecure. There are lots of posters on DCUM, and many are Langley and McLean parents. Plenty of McLean parents have posted about how bad the facilities are at McLean.

True, but there’s only one dude who constantly ties his observations to some purported concern with the track, tennis courts, or bathrooms. That doesn’t mean they are in great condition, but it’s only one poster who constantly claims he’s pulling his kids from McLean because a trailer was temporarily on a tennis court, a bathroom stall didn’t have a door, etc . The people who’ll actually move their kids are more concerned about the crowding in the halls or the kids having to attend classes in trailers at one school and not the other. Not leaves on a track.

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Anonymous wrote:True, but there’s only one dude who constantly ties his observations to some purported concern with the track, tennis courts, or bathrooms. That doesn’t mean they are in great condition, but it’s only one poster who constantly claims he’s pulling his kids from McLean because a trailer was temporarily on a tennis court, a bathroom stall didn’t have a door, etc . The people who’ll actually move their kids are more concerned about the crowding in the halls or the kids having to attend classes in trailers at one school and not the other. Not leaves on a track.

Have you seen how bad the facilities at McLean HS are, especially with the new modular that they just installed? You don't think those run down facilities are not impacting kids education?

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Anonymous wrote:True, but there’s only one dude who constantly ties his observations to some purported concern with the track, tennis courts, or bathrooms. That doesn’t mean they are in great condition, but it’s only one poster who constantly claims he’s pulling his kids from McLean because a trailer was temporarily on a tennis court, a bathroom stall didn’t have a door, etc . The people who’ll actually move their kids are more concerned about the crowding in the halls or the kids having to attend classes in trailers at one school and not the other. Not leaves on a track.

Have you seen how bad the facilities at McLean HS are, especially with the new modular that they just installed? You don't think those run down facilities are not impacting kids education?

The main building at McLean is in decent shape. It is not as nice as Langley now but it’s nicer than Langley was before its renovation. The modular isn’t fully installed yet; it will be ugly AF but functional. What hurts a school over the long term are class sizes that are too large and the message from the school system that it simply doesn’t care about a school because it’s decided other school communities are more important. That is certainly the case at McLean now, where FCPS is saddling the school with a modular but building permanent additions, outside the normal renovation cycle, at other schools that were built after McLean and are less overcrowded. It’s not a promising future, and it’s one reason why a lot of McLean folks are interested in the MCA’s upcoming review of potential incorporation.

But, having said that, I don’t believe PP who claims he’s sold his house because there are leaves on the McLean track or trailers on the tennis court, etc. is legit. His posts are never about what his kids want, or aren’t getting, at their school, but instead always based on some reaction on his own part to the age or condition of some aspect of McLean’s facilities.

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Anonymous wrote:True, but there’s only one dude who constantly ties his observations to some purported concern with the track, tennis courts, or bathrooms. That doesn’t mean they are in great condition, but it’s only one poster who constantly claims he’s pulling his kids from McLean because a trailer was temporarily on a tennis court, a bathroom stall didn’t have a door, etc . The people who’ll actually move their kids are more concerned about the crowding in the halls or the kids having to attend classes in trailers at one school and not the other. Not leaves on a track.

Have you seen how bad the facilities at McLean HS are, especially with the new modular that they just installed? You don't think those run down facilities are not impacting kids education?

The only thing these so-called run down facilities are impacting is your snobby and deluded sense of entitlement, which makes you believe your local public high school should look more like an elite private academy or country club.

And it’s your deluded sense of entitlement that’s negatively impacting your kids, not some silly modular classroom.

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Anonymous wrote:Took my kid to Justice HS this morning for SAT and Justice has better facilities than McLean. McLean looks like a dump, and I can’t even play tennis at McLean because they put trailers on the tennis courts. I am paying 25k/yr for my McLean home property tax and get shitty McLean HS facilities. I am for separating Mclean from Fairfax county.

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We were there too for the SAT and I was thinking the same thing.

As a parent of a McLean HS senior, I am so sick and tired of McLean getting run down facilities while McLean property taxes are being used to prop up other high schools in FCPS. I live next to McLean HS and I have to drive to Langley HS to use the Track and Field. The track at McLean HS is quite dirty with leaves and debris near the side of Davidson road and surrounding around the track & Field is not very well maintained, a complete opposite at Langley HS. Everything is so well taken care of at Langley HS. It makes me wonder where my property tax has gone to. I have an 8th grader at Longfellow and we just sold our house in McLean and get a new place in Langley Oaks so that DC can go to Langley HS next year. I've had enough of this drama from McLean HS.

McLean HS quality of education has gone down in recent years. Mclean HS used to be just as good or even better than Langley HS but that's not the case in the past few years. As of 2020 USNews ranking, Langley HS ranks 126th while McLean has gone down to 236th.

Sorry, but I don’t believe you. I think you are the same Langley poster who shows up on every McLean-related thread with some story about the track, the tennis courts, or the bathrooms.

DP. You sound more than a little insecure. There are lots of posters on DCUM, and many are Langley and McLean parents. Plenty of McLean parents have posted about how bad the facilities are at McLean.

True, but there’s only one dude who constantly ties his observations to some purported concern with the track, tennis courts, or bathrooms. That doesn’t mean they are in great condition, but it’s only one poster who constantly claims he’s pulling his kids from McLean because a trailer was temporarily on a tennis court, a bathroom stall didn’t have a door, etc . The people who’ll actually move their kids are more concerned about the crowding in the halls or the kids having to attend classes in trailers at one school and not the other. Not leaves on a track.

Whatever - there’s no need to blame a “Langley poster” for what you seem to be super sensitive about. Langley has consistently been supportive of McLean getting an addition and of taking McLean kids in the meantime.

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Anonymous wrote:The only thing these so-called run down facilities are impacting is your snobby and deluded sense of entitlement, which makes you believe your local public high school should look more like an elite private academy or country club.

And it’s your deluded sense of entitlement that’s negatively impacting your kids, not some silly modular classroom.

As a McLean tax payer, I am not expecting McLean HS to look like an elite private school like Potomac school but I expect it to be in a good shape at least like Justice HS. Even Justice HS is in better maintenance than McLean HS. That’s not right.

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Anonymous wrote:True, but there’s only one dude who constantly ties his observations to some purported concern with the track, tennis courts, or bathrooms. That doesn’t mean they are in great condition, but it’s only one poster who constantly claims he’s pulling his kids from McLean because a trailer was temporarily on a tennis court, a bathroom stall didn’t have a door, etc . The people who’ll actually move their kids are more concerned about the crowding in the halls or the kids having to attend classes in trailers at one school and not the other. Not leaves on a track.

Have you seen how bad the facilities at McLean HS are, especially with the new modular that they just installed? You don't think those run down facilities are not impacting kids education?

The only thing these so-called run down facilities are impacting is your snobby and deluded sense of entitlement, which makes you believe your local public high school should look more like an elite private academy or country club.

And it’s your deluded sense of entitlement that’s negatively impacting your kids, not some silly modular classroom.

If you want to blather on about entitlement, go talk to people at schools that are getting expensive additions or renovations even though they are less overcrowded than McLean. You are obviously full of resentment and delighted that FCPS is destroying a school through neglect and under-investment. McLean would be so much better off without having to deal with your BS.

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Mclean. And Langley should look like high end private schools when considering the taxes that zone pays, contributes the best students / residents to the future.