J.K. Rowling’s post on trans-identity and modern misogyny

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why she keeps wading into this particular issue. It’s coming across as a hangup or fixation. Does she not have 400 things to do?

This. Makes her look bad and whyyy?

Because she wants to support domestic violence and rape shelters. As a survivor, she wants to help others who are vulnerable. It really is that simple.

Only *some* others.

So what are you doing for children in Indian slums, the people fighting for democracy in Hong Kong? Women facing female genital mutilation in Africa? Gotta help everyone at once or you’re ac worthless loser right?

She’s targeting one specific group to exclude.

No, she’s not. She’s supporting women born as women’s right to privacy. She’s supporting girls who shouldn’t be allowed to make life-altering decisions as minors when they’re in the throes of puberty. Many thoughtful people feel the same way she does, but we can’t say it outloud because we’ll be “cancelled”. She has enough resources of her own that she has less to worry about on that front than we do.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why she keeps wading into this particular issue. It’s coming across as a hangup or fixation. Does she not have 400 things to do?

This. Makes her look bad and whyyy?

Because she wants to support domestic violence and rape shelters. As a survivor, she wants to help others who are vulnerable. It really is that simple.

Only *some* others.

So what are you doing for children in Indian slums, the people fighting for democracy in Hong Kong? Women facing female genital mutilation in Africa? Gotta help everyone at once or you’re ac worthless loser right?

She’s targeting one specific group to exclude.

No, she’s not. She’s supporting women born as women’s right to privacy. She’s supporting girls who shouldn’t be allowed to make life-altering decisions as minors when they’re in the throes of puberty. Many thoughtful people feel the same way she does, but we can’t say it outloud because we’ll be “cancelled”. She has enough resources of her own that she has less to worry about on that front than we do.

Repeat after me: other people’s gender identity is none of my business and I don’t need to police it. It’s literally not up to you decide when a person can or should transition

[Anonymous]

Repeat after me: other people’s gender identity is none of my business and I don’t need to police it. It’s literally not up to you decide when a person can or should transition

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[Anonymous]

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Repeat after me: other people’s gender identity is none of my business and I don’t need to police it. It’s literally not up to you decide when a person can or should transition

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In our society we protect children. They’re not allowed to drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, get a tattoo, go to a tanning salon. Yet we’re allowing them to surgically alter their bodies and take hormones. A 4000% increase in girls seeking treatment for gender issues is a cause for serious concern. We should be looking at why so many girls want to opt out of womanhood and boys opt out of manhood. It’s not out of line to raise the alarm over this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Repeat after me: other people’s gender identity is none of my business and I don’t need to police it. It’s literally not up to you decide when a person can or should transition

x1 million

In our society we protect children. They’re not allowed to drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, get a tattoo, go to a tanning salon. Yet we’re allowing them to surgically alter their bodies and take hormones. A 4000% increase in girls seeking treatment for gender issues is a cause for serious concern. We should be looking at why so many girls want to opt out of womanhood and boys opt out of manhood. It’s not out of line to raise the alarm over this.

Are you raising an alarm or are you trying to tell other people what they can do with their bodies?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Repeat after me: other people’s gender identity is none of my business and I don’t need to police it. It’s literally not up to you decide when a person can or should transition

x1 million

In our society we protect children. They’re not allowed to drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, get a tattoo, go to a tanning salon. Yet we’re allowing them to surgically alter their bodies and take hormones. A 4000% increase in girls seeking treatment for gender issues is a cause for serious concern. We should be looking at why so many girls want to opt out of womanhood and boys opt out of manhood. It’s not out of line to raise the alarm over this.

Are you raising an alarm or are you trying to tell other people what they can do with their bodies?

Do you have a counter-argument, or are you trying to dodge the question?

[Anonymous]

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Repeat after me: other people’s gender identity is none of my business and I don’t need to police it. It’s literally not up to you decide when a person can or should transition

x1 million

In our society we protect children. They’re not allowed to drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, get a tattoo, go to a tanning salon. Yet we’re allowing them to surgically alter their bodies and take hormones. A 4000% increase in girls seeking treatment for gender issues is a cause for serious concern. We should be looking at why so many girls want to opt out of womanhood and boys opt out of manhood. It’s not out of line to raise the alarm over this.

You’re very misinformed. Most teens who transition do not have any type of surgery. The medication they take essentially puts hormonal development “on pause” to allow them time to transition or, if necessary, transition back if they decide to do that. Coming off the medication would continue development as usual. They’re not “opting out” of anything - they are opting into living life that is true to who they are. your faux concern is way off base.

[Anonymous]

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Repeat after me: other people’s gender identity is none of my business and I don’t need to police it. It’s literally not up to you decide when a person can or should transition

x1 million

In our society we protect children. They’re not allowed to drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, get a tattoo, go to a tanning salon. Yet we’re allowing them to surgically alter their bodies and take hormones. A 4000% increase in girls seeking treatment for gender issues is a cause for serious concern. We should be looking at why so many girls want to opt out of womanhood and boys opt out of manhood. It’s not out of line to raise the alarm over this.

You’re very misinformed. Most teens who transition do not have any type of surgery. The medication they take essentially puts hormonal development “on pause” to allow them time to transition or, if necessary, transition back if they decide to do that. Coming off the medication would continue development as usual. They’re not “opting out” of anything - they are opting into living life that is true to who they are. your faux concern is way off base.

Also, just as many don’t do any treatment at all but simply dress for their gender identity, perhaps change their name or go by a nickname, and use the pronouns they identify with. None of which are objectionable.

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Anonymous wrote:Women can still have women's rights. They just need to make sure the emotional needs of past and present male identifying people are met first.

As it has always been. Sigh.

This is pathetic. Trans women face discrimination and prejudice and bigotry every single day of their lives. Double that if they’re also Black or a person of color in which case they face increased rates of violence. But yeah you two are def the ones being oppressed here.

This isn’t supposed to be a race to the bottom, where the most oppressed party wins. There are principles of equal treatment and human dignity we expect society to uphold.

Women fought long and hard for equal treatment under the law. People aren’t arguing to take away rights from transgender people. But some aspects of our society, like competition in sports, are divided by sex (not gender identity), to give women an equal chance to participate in those activities.

Some accommodations, like homeless shelters or domestic violence services, are divided by sex to give protection to vulnerable members of society. No one is stopping people concerned about vulnerable transgender people from creating programs and services for them. They’re objecting to having to include them in the same programs as natural-born women. If you require everyone to say that transgender women are women, you end up ignoring reality and end up providing cover for men who want access to vulnerable women. Women in those situations have a right to privacy and dignity. Transgender women have those same rights, and can be served by having their own programs and protections.

Guess you haven’t read the news.

DP. There has even an onslaught of news in the last three years attacking women’s rights too. Which isn’t me saying women have it worse than trans women...I agree that trans women are probably the most vulnerable group (of adults) in our society.

I actually find the fact that the trans activists here don’t acknowledge this to be the greatest indication of where their head is here. If you don’t think women are still fighting for equality than it makes sense that there’s no difference and you can call yourself and be what you want.

But that isn’t true. Women’s rights are also being attacked every day in this country.

“Trans activists”?

My #1 issue for the last 30 years has been women’s rights. I welcome all women to the fold. And I support trans men as well. That does not take away my support for women’s issues in any way.

We all would benefit from civil rights, access to health care, etc.

Just yesterday:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/us/politics/trump-transgender-rights.html

It’s not a zero sum game.

I don’t know why the term trans activist would offend you. It is what you’re doing and it’s great there should be trans activists. I know you would disagree but I think of myself as one. Someone above said I’m like a close trump supporter which is like, literally hilarious in its absurdity.

If you think that I, a person who believes deeply in supporting trans people’s ability to lead whatever longer they wish, call themselves whatever gender they want, use whatever pronouns they want, be able to marry freely and be protected from discrimination. If you think all of that counts for nothing and the fact that my concerns about language diluting women’s advocacy erase all that and turn me into a trump supporter bigot than you really need to examine why you require 1000% agreement too be satisfied. The country will never ever move forward and grow under those types of purity tests

[Anonymous]

^do you agree that trans people should only be allowed to receive healthcare based on their biological sex or not? If you agree with that and you support providers withholding healthcare from individuals who are trans based on their biological sex, it’s hard to see how you’re pro-trans. You might not be anti-trans but you can’t claim to support trans rights while also being okay with them being denied healthcare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^do you agree that trans people should only be allowed to receive healthcare based on their biological sex or not? If you agree with that and you support providers withholding healthcare from individuals who are trans based on their biological sex, it’s hard to see how you’re pro-trans. You might not be anti-trans but you can’t claim to support trans rights while also being okay with them being denied healthcare.

Pp never said anything about denying healthcare.

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Anonymous wrote:^do you agree that trans people should only be allowed to receive healthcare based on their biological sex or not? If you agree with that and you support providers withholding healthcare from individuals who are trans based on their biological sex, it’s hard to see how you’re pro-trans. You might not be anti-trans but you can’t claim to support trans rights while also being okay with them being denied healthcare.

I’m not sure what I said in that post to even somewhat imply I believed that. I think trans people having access to healthcare is a key component of advocating for their wellbeing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Repeat after me: other people’s gender identity is none of my business and I don’t need to police it. It’s literally not up to you decide when a person can or should transition

x1 million

In our society we protect children. They’re not allowed to drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, get a tattoo, go to a tanning salon. Yet we’re allowing them to surgically alter their bodies and take hormones. A 4000% increase in girls seeking treatment for gender issues is a cause for serious concern. We should be looking at why so many girls want to opt out of womanhood and boys opt out of manhood. It’s not out of line to raise the alarm over this.

Are you raising an alarm or are you trying to tell other people what they can do with their bodies?

Do you have a counter-argument, or are you trying to dodge the question?

What question?

Sounds like you want to tell other people what they can do with their bodies. As a woman who values bodily autonomy, I have a problem with that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Repeat after me: other people’s gender identity is none of my business and I don’t need to police it. It’s literally not up to you decide when a person can or should transition

x1 million

In our society we protect children. They’re not allowed to drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, get a tattoo, go to a tanning salon. Yet we’re allowing them to surgically alter their bodies and take hormones. A 4000% increase in girls seeking treatment for gender issues is a cause for serious concern. We should be looking at why so many girls want to opt out of womanhood and boys opt out of manhood. It’s not out of line to raise the alarm over this.

Are you raising an alarm or are you trying to tell other people what they can do with their bodies?

Do you have a counter-argument, or are you trying to dodge the question?

What question?

Sounds like you want to tell other people what they can do with their bodies. As a woman who values bodily autonomy, I have a problem with that.

NP here. So...since what is being specifically discussed here is changes to the bodies of minors, do you feel that restrictions on tattoos for minors should be lifted? Restrictions on cigarettes and alcohol for minors?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Repeat after me: other people’s gender identity is none of my business and I don’t need to police it. It’s literally not up to you decide when a person can or should transition

x1 million

In our society we protect children. They’re not allowed to drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, get a tattoo, go to a tanning salon. Yet we’re allowing them to surgically alter their bodies and take hormones. A 4000% increase in girls seeking treatment for gender issues is a cause for serious concern. We should be looking at why so many girls want to opt out of womanhood and boys opt out of manhood. It’s not out of line to raise the alarm over this.

Are you raising an alarm or are you trying to tell other people what they can do with their bodies?

Do you have a counter-argument, or are you trying to dodge the question?

What question?

Sounds like you want to tell other people what they can do with their bodies. As a woman who values bodily autonomy, I have a problem with that.

NP here. So...since what is being specifically discussed here is changes to the bodies of minors, do you feel that restrictions on tattoos for minors should be lifted? Restrictions on cigarettes and alcohol for minors?

I think families should work with their doctors to make those decisions. They don't need other people involved in medical decisions.