J.K. Rowling’s post on trans-identity and modern misogyny

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Up above there were trans activists who were insisting no trans folks want to force dating partners to date trans folks. But there are articles/commentary online saying exactly that. Here is one, for instance: https://link.medium.com/4hoCDsSDe7

As a woman who has been sexually assaulted, I found this article horrifying. Consent is something women have fought for for years. And yet, here is someone insisting that not allowing access to another person's body is transphobic. People get a right to say no and to exercise consent regardless of the reason. There should be NO entitlement at all to another person's body. None.

It's articles like this that I find very, very difficult to absorb. It absolutely feels like this is the point of view of someone who doesn't understand or care about the history of rape and violence against women at all.

I thought that article was interesting. It demonstrates a lack of understanding that men and women are wired over tens of thousands of years of evolution to be sexually attracted to the opposite sex. Usually, trans people do not look like a non-trans person of the sex that they're changing into. They can wear whatever clothes and get breast implants and plaster whatever amount of makeup on their face but there are usually a lot of subtle and not-so-subtle differences.

It's also lacking the understanding that men and women usually find the opposite sex's genitalia - and the way it functions biologically - to be sexually attractive. I'm not sure how good the surgeries are these days but I'd be shocked if someone couldn't tell the difference.

Frankly, I think the article comes across as clueless and entitled.

And when I read it again with the context that the PP mentions, I see that it's even worse. Nobody owes anyone an explanation. And frankly, it really comes across as very "male" to insist that someone should date someone even if they're not into it. I've never heard a woman imply that a man should date her even when he doesn't want to for ANY reason, it's just something that men tend to pressure women into.

As a sexual assault survivor, the article is horrifying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Women can still have women's rights. They just need to make sure the emotional needs of past and present male identifying people are met first.

As it has always been. Sigh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Women can still have women's rights. They just need to make sure the emotional needs of past and present male identifying people are met first.

As it has always been. Sigh.

This is pathetic. Trans women face discrimination and prejudice and bigotry every single day of their lives. Double that if they’re also Black or a person of color in which case they face increased rates of violence. But yeah you two are def the ones being oppressed here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Women can still have women's rights. They just need to make sure the emotional needs of past and present male identifying people are met first.

As it has always been. Sigh.

This is pathetic. Trans women face discrimination and prejudice and bigotry every single day of their lives. Double that if they’re also Black or a person of color in which case they face increased rates of violence. But yeah you two are def the ones being oppressed here.

Me, me, me. That's all I hear from the trans supporters on this site.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Women can still have women's rights. They just need to make sure the emotional needs of past and present male identifying people are met first.

As it has always been. Sigh.

This is pathetic. Trans women face discrimination and prejudice and bigotry every single day of their lives. Double that if they’re also Black or a person of color in which case they face increased rates of violence. But yeah you two are def the ones being oppressed here.

This isn’t supposed to be a race to the bottom, where the most oppressed party wins. There are principles of equal treatment and human dignity we expect society to uphold.

Women fought long and hard for equal treatment under the law. People aren’t arguing to take away rights from transgender people. But some aspects of our society, like competition in sports, are divided by sex (not gender identity), to give women an equal chance to participate in those activities.

Some accommodations, like homeless shelters or domestic violence services, are divided by sex to give protection to vulnerable members of society. No one is stopping people concerned about vulnerable transgender people from creating programs and services for them. They’re objecting to having to include them in the same programs as natural-born women. If you require everyone to say that transgender women are women, you end up ignoring reality and end up providing cover for men who want access to vulnerable women. Women in those situations have a right to privacy and dignity. Transgender women have those same rights, and can be served by having their own programs and protections.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why she keeps wading into this particular issue. It’s coming across as a hangup or fixation. Does she not have 400 things to do?

This. Makes her look bad and whyyy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Women can still have women's rights. They just need to make sure the emotional needs of past and present male identifying people are met first.

As it has always been. Sigh.

This is pathetic. Trans women face discrimination and prejudice and bigotry every single day of their lives. Double that if they’re also Black or a person of color in which case they face increased rates of violence. But yeah you two are def the ones being oppressed here.

This isn’t supposed to be a race to the bottom, where the most oppressed party wins. There are principles of equal treatment and human dignity we expect society to uphold.

Women fought long and hard for equal treatment under the law. People aren’t arguing to take away rights from transgender people. But some aspects of our society, like competition in sports, are divided by sex (not gender identity), to give women an equal chance to participate in those activities.

Some accommodations, like homeless shelters or domestic violence services, are divided by sex to give protection to vulnerable members of society. No one is stopping people concerned about vulnerable transgender people from creating programs and services for them. They’re objecting to having to include them in the same programs as natural-born women. If you require everyone to say that transgender women are women, you end up ignoring reality and end up providing cover for men who want access to vulnerable women. Women in those situations have a right to privacy and dignity. Transgender women have those same rights, and can be served by having their own programs and protections.

Guess you haven’t read the news.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why she keeps wading into this particular issue. It’s coming across as a hangup or fixation. Does she not have 400 things to do?

This. Makes her look bad and whyyy?

Because she wants to support domestic violence and rape shelters. As a survivor, she wants to help others who are vulnerable. It really is that simple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why she keeps wading into this particular issue. It’s coming across as a hangup or fixation. Does she not have 400 things to do?

This. Makes her look bad and whyyy?

Because she wants to support domestic violence and rape shelters. As a survivor, she wants to help others who are vulnerable. It really is that simple.

Only *some* others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Women can still have women's rights. They just need to make sure the emotional needs of past and present male identifying people are met first.

As it has always been. Sigh.

This is pathetic. Trans women face discrimination and prejudice and bigotry every single day of their lives. Double that if they’re also Black or a person of color in which case they face increased rates of violence. But yeah you two are def the ones being oppressed here.

This isn’t supposed to be a race to the bottom, where the most oppressed party wins. There are principles of equal treatment and human dignity we expect society to uphold.

Women fought long and hard for equal treatment under the law. People aren’t arguing to take away rights from transgender people. But some aspects of our society, like competition in sports, are divided by sex (not gender identity), to give women an equal chance to participate in those activities.

Some accommodations, like homeless shelters or domestic violence services, are divided by sex to give protection to vulnerable members of society. No one is stopping people concerned about vulnerable transgender people from creating programs and services for them. They’re objecting to having to include them in the same programs as natural-born women. If you require everyone to say that transgender women are women, you end up ignoring reality and end up providing cover for men who want access to vulnerable women. Women in those situations have a right to privacy and dignity. Transgender women have those same rights, and can be served by having their own programs and protections.

Guess you haven’t read the news.

DP. There has even an onslaught of news in the last three years attacking women’s rights too. Which isn’t me saying women have it worse than trans women...I agree that trans women are probably the most vulnerable group (of adults) in our society.

I actually find the fact that the trans activists here don’t acknowledge this to be the greatest indication of where their head is here. If you don’t think women are still fighting for equality than it makes sense that there’s no difference and you can call yourself and be what you want.

But that isn’t true. Women’s rights are also being attacked every day in this country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why she keeps wading into this particular issue. It’s coming across as a hangup or fixation. Does she not have 400 things to do?

This. Makes her look bad and whyyy?

Because she wants to support domestic violence and rape shelters. As a survivor, she wants to help others who are vulnerable. It really is that simple.

Only *some* others.

So what are you doing for children in Indian slums, the people fighting for democracy in Hong Kong? Women facing female genital mutilation in Africa? Gotta help everyone at once or you’re ac worthless loser right?

[Anonymous]

FYI this is why this matters:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/12/politics/trump-administration-transgender-health-care-protections/index.html

Not supporting people who are trans means you actually align more with Trump whose administration just rolled back a policy that prohibited healthcare providers from denying service based on gender identity. This roll back means doctors can now provide care based only on traditional definitions of biological sex.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Women can still have women's rights. They just need to make sure the emotional needs of past and present male identifying people are met first.

As it has always been. Sigh.

This is pathetic. Trans women face discrimination and prejudice and bigotry every single day of their lives. Double that if they’re also Black or a person of color in which case they face increased rates of violence. But yeah you two are def the ones being oppressed here.

This isn’t supposed to be a race to the bottom, where the most oppressed party wins. There are principles of equal treatment and human dignity we expect society to uphold.

Women fought long and hard for equal treatment under the law. People aren’t arguing to take away rights from transgender people. But some aspects of our society, like competition in sports, are divided by sex (not gender identity), to give women an equal chance to participate in those activities.

Some accommodations, like homeless shelters or domestic violence services, are divided by sex to give protection to vulnerable members of society. No one is stopping people concerned about vulnerable transgender people from creating programs and services for them. They’re objecting to having to include them in the same programs as natural-born women. If you require everyone to say that transgender women are women, you end up ignoring reality and end up providing cover for men who want access to vulnerable women. Women in those situations have a right to privacy and dignity. Transgender women have those same rights, and can be served by having their own programs and protections.

Guess you haven’t read the news.

DP. There has even an onslaught of news in the last three years attacking women’s rights too. Which isn’t me saying women have it worse than trans women...I agree that trans women are probably the most vulnerable group (of adults) in our society.

I actually find the fact that the trans activists here don’t acknowledge this to be the greatest indication of where their head is here. If you don’t think women are still fighting for equality than it makes sense that there’s no difference and you can call yourself and be what you want.

But that isn’t true. Women’s rights are also being attacked every day in this country.

Obviously we understand that. But a) trans women fighting for womens rights helps all of us so why would we exclude them and b) excluding trans women doesn’t magically give us all rights. My rights are no more or less threatened by validating trans women as women. We don’t lose anything by doing it nor do we gain anything by not doing it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Women can still have women's rights. They just need to make sure the emotional needs of past and present male identifying people are met first.

As it has always been. Sigh.

This is pathetic. Trans women face discrimination and prejudice and bigotry every single day of their lives. Double that if they’re also Black or a person of color in which case they face increased rates of violence. But yeah you two are def the ones being oppressed here.

This isn’t supposed to be a race to the bottom, where the most oppressed party wins. There are principles of equal treatment and human dignity we expect society to uphold.

Women fought long and hard for equal treatment under the law. People aren’t arguing to take away rights from transgender people. But some aspects of our society, like competition in sports, are divided by sex (not gender identity), to give women an equal chance to participate in those activities.

Some accommodations, like homeless shelters or domestic violence services, are divided by sex to give protection to vulnerable members of society. No one is stopping people concerned about vulnerable transgender people from creating programs and services for them. They’re objecting to having to include them in the same programs as natural-born women. If you require everyone to say that transgender women are women, you end up ignoring reality and end up providing cover for men who want access to vulnerable women. Women in those situations have a right to privacy and dignity. Transgender women have those same rights, and can be served by having their own programs and protections.

Guess you haven’t read the news.

DP. There has even an onslaught of news in the last three years attacking women’s rights too. Which isn’t me saying women have it worse than trans women...I agree that trans women are probably the most vulnerable group (of adults) in our society.

I actually find the fact that the trans activists here don’t acknowledge this to be the greatest indication of where their head is here. If you don’t think women are still fighting for equality than it makes sense that there’s no difference and you can call yourself and be what you want.

But that isn’t true. Women’s rights are also being attacked every day in this country.

“Trans activists”?

My #1 issue for the last 30 years has been women’s rights. I welcome all women to the fold. And I support trans men as well. That does not take away my support for women’s issues in any way.

We all would benefit from civil rights, access to health care, etc.

Just yesterday:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/us/politics/trump-transgender-rights.html

It’s not a zero sum game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why she keeps wading into this particular issue. It’s coming across as a hangup or fixation. Does she not have 400 things to do?

This. Makes her look bad and whyyy?

Because she wants to support domestic violence and rape shelters. As a survivor, she wants to help others who are vulnerable. It really is that simple.

Only *some* others.

So what are you doing for children in Indian slums, the people fighting for democracy in Hong Kong? Women facing female genital mutilation in Africa? Gotta help everyone at once or you’re ac worthless loser right?

She’s targeting one specific group to exclude.