Making time for kids? Study says quality trumps quantity

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If so many children are being cared for by non-English speaking caregivers, then why isn't there a crisis in the DC area of American-born children entering kindergarten with broken English skills?

I don't think all those ESOL classes are full of daycare kids.

Wow, it's amazing how far some people will go in claiming daycare is awful in order to justify their own choice in how to raise their children. If you are so pleased as punch with yourselves for being SAHM then just be happy with that. Why are you trying so very hard to prove your way is better?

Plenty of SAHMs are well adjusted, educated, and secure in their life choices. But wow ... some literally have nothing going for them so their entire identity is wrapped up in SAH. My guess is that these are the SAHMs who cannot find a job that will cover the cost of quality childcare or who have absentee spouses so they are default single parents. I feel sorry for your children that your entire self esteem is wrapped up in being a "better" parent than everyone else. The same goes for working moms who get their self esteem from their career and tell SAHMs they are worthless.

To all you normal moms, this post isn't about you. Most of us also have identities (hobbies, possibly careers, volunteer activities, loving marriages, etc.) and don't need to resort to shaming other moms to feel good about ourselves. I wish we could start our own forum and kick out the zealots.

Hello. There IS a crisis. It's politely called "special needs." Speech therapy galore.

Funny how I know SAHMs whose kids have speech and language issues. What can they blame it on if these problems are allegedly caused by childcare? Also, the child mind is much more adept at picking up differences and adapting to hearing multiple languages. I have never seen a single study claim children being exposed to multiple languages are somehow harmed. In fact the opposite is quite true.

I don't care WHO is supposed to be doing the care, but POOR quality care usually has POOR quality results.
Agree?

[Anonymous]

As said previously, we have documented,
"The Hell of American Daycare,"
but nothing yet about
the hell of the American SAHM.

[Anonymous]

You're the one in a bubble, sweets. Just visit your neighborhood park to see for yourself.

Huh? My kids don't have a nanny. You're done here, you know that, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If so many children are being cared for by non-English speaking caregivers, then why isn't there a crisis in the DC area of American-born children entering kindergarten with broken English skills?

I don't think all those ESOL classes are full of daycare kids.

Wow, it's amazing how far some people will go in claiming daycare is awful in order to justify their own choice in how to raise their children. If you are so pleased as punch with yourselves for being SAHM then just be happy with that. Why are you trying so very hard to prove your way is better?

Plenty of SAHMs are well adjusted, educated, and secure in their life choices. But wow ... some literally have nothing going for them so their entire identity is wrapped up in SAH. My guess is that these are the SAHMs who cannot find a job that will cover the cost of quality childcare or who have absentee spouses so they are default single parents. I feel sorry for your children that your entire self esteem is wrapped up in being a "better" parent than everyone else. The same goes for working moms who get their self esteem from their career and tell SAHMs they are worthless.

To all you normal moms, this post isn't about you. Most of us also have identities (hobbies, possibly careers, volunteer activities, loving marriages, etc.) and don't need to resort to shaming other moms to feel good about ourselves. I wish we could start our own forum and kick out the zealots.

Hello. There IS a crisis. It's politely called "special needs." Speech therapy galore.

Funny how I know SAHMs whose kids have speech and language issues. What can they blame it on if these problems are allegedly caused by childcare? Also, the child mind is much more adept at picking up differences and adapting to hearing multiple languages. I have never seen a single study claim children being exposed to multiple languages are somehow harmed. In fact the opposite is quite true.

I don't care WHO is supposed to be doing the care, but POOR quality care usually has POOR quality results.
Agree?

Wow, so are you saying that a speech impediment must be the result of your caregiver's language skills? Do you even know what you're talking about? FWIW, my cousin had a speech impediment when he was little. My aunt is, of all things, a speech therapist herself., and caught it pretty early. But surely, she did not cause the issue. My DH had one as a kid too- and I can assure you he had a very caring SAHM.

You are so ignorant it's frightening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You're the one in a bubble, sweets. Just visit your neighborhood park to see for yourself.

Huh? My kids don't have a nanny. You're done here, you know that, right?

You mean they have a heavenly (no doubt) daycare?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As said previously, we have documented,
"The Hell of American Daycare,"
but nothing yet about
the hell of the American SAHM.

We discussed the "Hell of American Daycare" several pages back. Try to keep up. This term was coined based on low income childcare by a 22 year old daycare provider in Texas. The "Hell of the American SAHM" would be all the moms out there with barely a HS education, who cannot find a job that will even cover the cost of mediocre childcare, and who plop their kids in front of the tv while momma watches her shows.

If you want to point out that some outside childcare is of a poor quality then you also need to acknowledge that some SAHMs provide poor quality care. It goes both ways, but this seems to fly right over the heads of certain posters. I guess we know which category of SAHM you fall into if you can't even apply basic reasoning and logic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As said previously, we have documented,
"The Hell of American Daycare,"
but nothing yet about
the hell of the American SAHM.

We discussed the "Hell of American Daycare" several pages back. Try to keep up. This term was coined based on low income childcare by a 22 year old daycare provider in Texas. The "Hell of the American SAHM" would be all the moms out there with barely a HS education, who cannot find a job that will even cover the cost of mediocre childcare, and who plop their kids in front of the tv while momma watches her shows.

If you want to point out that some outside childcare is of a poor quality then you also need to acknowledge that some SAHMs provide poor quality care. It goes both ways, but this seems to fly right over the heads of certain posters. I guess we know which category of SAHM you fall into if you can't even apply basic reasoning and logic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If so many children are being cared for by non-English speaking caregivers, then why isn't there a crisis in the DC area of American-born children entering kindergarten with broken English skills?

I don't think all those ESOL classes are full of daycare kids.

Wow, it's amazing how far some people will go in claiming daycare is awful in order to justify their own choice in how to raise their children. If you are so pleased as punch with yourselves for being SAHM then just be happy with that. Why are you trying so very hard to prove your way is better?

Plenty of SAHMs are well adjusted, educated, and secure in their life choices. But wow ... some literally have nothing going for them so their entire identity is wrapped up in SAH. My guess is that these are the SAHMs who cannot find a job that will cover the cost of quality childcare or who have absentee spouses so they are default single parents. I feel sorry for your children that your entire self esteem is wrapped up in being a "better" parent than everyone else. The same goes for working moms who get their self esteem from their career and tell SAHMs they are worthless.

To all you normal moms, this post isn't about you. Most of us also have identities (hobbies, possibly careers, volunteer activities, loving marriages, etc.) and don't need to resort to shaming other moms to feel good about ourselves. I wish we could start our own forum and kick out the zealots.

You think all these kids now in speech therapy suddenly got their parents bad genes? Okay.

Hello. There IS a crisis. It's politely called "special needs." Speech therapy galore.

Funny how I know SAHMs whose kids have speech and language issues. What can they blame it on if these problems are allegedly caused by childcare? Also, the child mind is much more adept at picking up differences and adapting to hearing multiple languages. I have never seen a single study claim children being exposed to multiple languages are somehow harmed. In fact the opposite is quite true.

I don't care WHO is supposed to be doing the care, but POOR quality care usually has POOR quality results.
Agree?

Wow, so are you saying that a speech impediment must be the result of your caregiver's language skills? Do you even know what you're talking about? FWIW, my cousin had a speech impediment when he was little. My aunt is, of all things, a speech therapist herself., and caught it pretty early. But surely, she did not cause the issue. My DH had one as a kid too- and I can assure you he had a very caring SAHM.

You are so ignorant it's frightening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If so many children are being cared for by non-English speaking caregivers, then why isn't there a crisis in the DC area of American-born children entering kindergarten with broken English skills?

I don't think all those ESOL classes are full of daycare kids.

Wow, it's amazing how far some people will go in claiming daycare is awful in order to justify their own choice in how to raise their children. If you are so pleased as punch with yourselves for being SAHM then just be happy with that. Why are you trying so very hard to prove your way is better?

Plenty of SAHMs are well adjusted, educated, and secure in their life choices. But wow ... some literally have nothing going for them so their entire identity is wrapped up in SAH. My guess is that these are the SAHMs who cannot find a job that will cover the cost of quality childcare or who have absentee spouses so they are default single parents. I feel sorry for your children that your entire self esteem is wrapped up in being a "better" parent than everyone else. The same goes for working moms who get their self esteem from their career and tell SAHMs they are worthless.

To all you normal moms, this post isn't about you. Most of us also have identities (hobbies, possibly careers, volunteer activities, loving marriages, etc.) and don't need to resort to shaming other moms to feel good about ourselves. I wish we could start our own forum and kick out the zealots.

You think all these kids now in speech therapy suddenly got their parents bad genes? Okay.

Hello. There IS a crisis. It's politely called "special needs." Speech therapy galore.

Funny how I know SAHMs whose kids have speech and language issues. What can they blame it on if these problems are allegedly caused by childcare? Also, the child mind is much more adept at picking up differences and adapting to hearing multiple languages. I have never seen a single study claim children being exposed to multiple languages are somehow harmed. In fact the opposite is quite true.

I don't care WHO is supposed to be doing the care, but POOR quality care usually has POOR quality results.
Agree?

Wow, so are you saying that a speech impediment must be the result of your caregiver's language skills? Do you even know what you're talking about? FWIW, my cousin had a speech impediment when he was little. My aunt is, of all things, a speech therapist herself., and caught it pretty early. But surely, she did not cause the issue. My DH had one as a kid too- and I can assure you he had a very caring SAHM.

You are so ignorant it's frightening.

Sorry about my misplaced comment above.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP, the more you try to convince us all how much more superior and all knowing you are about childcare, the more we all think you are nutso and feel bad for you.

You clearly keep posting because you need to convince yourself of something. You do not sound like a secure person.

Nothing annoys me more than when posters assume it's only one other poster they're responding to. There are mulitple people on this thread, some with (gasp) the same POVs!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You're the one in a bubble, sweets. Just visit your neighborhood park to see for yourself.

Huh? My kids don't have a nanny. You're done here, you know that, right?

She's "done here"?! And you are...?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP, the more you try to convince us all how much more superior and all knowing you are about childcare, the more we all think you are nutso and feel bad for you.

You clearly keep posting because you need to convince yourself of something. You do not sound like a secure person.

Nothing annoys me more than when posters assume it's only one other poster they're responding to. There are mulitple people on this thread, some with (gasp) the same POVs!

Really? Nothing annoys you more than the above? You must not have much to worry about in life. Also, I was responding to the one particularly atrocious SAHM who keeps calling everyone sweetie and such while telling us what bad parents we working moms are. She sounds like a real winner. I'm sure her kids love spending all day with her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP, the more you try to convince us all how much more superior and all knowing you are about childcare, the more we all think you are nutso and feel bad for you.

You clearly keep posting because you need to convince yourself of something. You do not sound like a secure person.

Nothing annoys me more than when posters assume it's only one other poster they're responding to. There are mulitple people on this thread, some with (gasp) the same POVs!

Really? Nothing annoys you more than the above? You must not have much to worry about in life. Also, I was responding to the one particularly atrocious SAHM who keeps calling everyone sweetie and such while telling us what bad parents we working moms are. She sounds like a real winner. I'm sure her kids love spending all day with her.

Yeah, it's not that hard to pick out some repeat posters by their opinion, writing style, and catch phrases. But maybe annoyed PP has figured out how to differentiate between ALL the posters and is ticked off that the rest of us have not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP, the more you try to convince us all how much more superior and all knowing you are about childcare, the more we all think you are nutso and feel bad for you.

You clearly keep posting because you need to convince yourself of something. You do not sound like a secure person.

Nothing annoys me more than when posters assume it's only one other poster they're responding to. There are mulitple people on this thread, some with (gasp) the same POVs!

Really? Nothing annoys you more than the above? You must not have much to worry about in life. Also, I was responding to the one particularly atrocious SAHM who keeps calling everyone sweetie and such while telling us what bad parents we working moms are. She sounds like a real winner. I'm sure her kids love spending all day with her.

Kind of like that insufferable WOHM who referred to everyone as "Darling" and insisted that SAHMs would never work another day in their lives? Yeah, she sounds like a peach to be around too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP, the more you try to convince us all how much more superior and all knowing you are about childcare, the more we all think you are nutso and feel bad for you.

You clearly keep posting because you need to convince yourself of something. You do not sound like a secure person.

Nothing annoys me more than when posters assume it's only one other poster they're responding to. There are mulitple people on this thread, some with (gasp) the same POVs!

Really? Nothing annoys you more than the above? You must not have much to worry about in life. Also, I was responding to the one particularly atrocious SAHM who keeps calling everyone sweetie and such while telling us what bad parents we working moms are. She sounds like a real winner. I'm sure her kids love spending all day with her.

Yeah, it's not that hard to pick out some repeat posters by their opinion, writing style, and catch phrases. But maybe annoyed PP has figured out how to differentiate between ALL the posters and is ticked off that the rest of us have not.

Nope, I just don't assume that every person I'm responding to is the same exact person I continue responding to. Kind of makes you look foolish...or simple. Actually, both.