Government Shutdown - Sep 2025 Thread

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No deal from the talk but Dems are starting to sound like they are preparing to cave.

They probably will cave, but that's not what Schumer's remarks sound like.

It would be pretty dumb to cave at this point. They can't keep threatening to play tough and then bend over at that last minute. Losing all credibility is worse than being blamed for a shutdown.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain to me why do some of us hate government workers so much ?? There are bad colleagues everywhere private, public, semi private, semi public etc? This hatred for federal workers is frankly disturbing. And the lie that they make a lot give me a break. At 35 I make far more than most federal workers and I enjoy steady career progression.

Do some Americans believe that our soldiers and air traffic controllers are private sector workers? The engineers who investigate air crashes, the civil engineers who work on big massive projects, the scientists who trace very rare but deadly diseases etc? Have Americans been brainwashed into thinking that these guys work for Goldman Sacks?

I am discouraged by our hatred for other Americans for no valid reasons.

No. It’s just that many Americans believe all these people should be private sector workers.

It's interesting you are saying that. I took a course in corporate finance and it was eye opening. If these people want you have highlighted were working for the private sector who do you think will benefit more? Hint hint: who do you think the capital owners are? And take capital owners, what are they driven by? If that's the country that some Americans want good luck.

In a few years a 5'8 person won't be able to sit in an economy seat on airplane thanks to our reference to the capital owners who will such up every dime that we have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No deal from the talk but Dems are starting to sound like they are preparing to cave.

They probably will cave, but that's not what Schumer's remarks sound like.

It would be pretty dumb to cave at this point. They can't keep threatening to play tough and then bend over at that last minute. Losing all credibility is worse than being blamed for a shutdown.

That's the problem too many of them like being over for someone else to run them through.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No deal from the talk but Dems are starting to sound like they are preparing to cave.

I want them to cave because I don't want fed workers to lose their jobs. And remember the Supreme court has signaled that the executive branch can do pretty much whatever it wants.

For strategic reasons we should punt, because anything that ends up at the supreme court will end up being permanent.

That doesn't make any sense. If Trump can do whatever he wants, then he will. Why would Democrats want to go along with that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No deal from the talk but Dems are starting to sound like they are preparing to cave.

I want them to cave because I don't want fed workers to lose their jobs. And remember the Supreme court has signaled that the executive branch can do pretty much whatever it wants.

For strategic reasons we should punt, because anything that ends up at the supreme court will end up being permanent.

That doesn't make any sense. If Trump can do whatever he wants, then he will. Why would Democrats want to go along with that?

PP here you have a point. But my point is the least of his issues end up at the supreme Court the better ..so give him what he wants because if you don't and he goes to the supreme court the supreme court will make it permanent

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How does it work when you are essential but you are just a normally appropriated agency without dedicated funding (I’m at NIST).

If you are essential, you work, but your don't get paid. Usually there is backpay...not so sure about this time around. All bets are off.

If you are required to work, you get backpay. Otherwise it's wage theft. Even in today's world, the government cannot require you to work for no pay (outside the prison system).

If you aren't allowed to work, by law you are to be paid but that law could be changed or, I guess, ignored. It's a weaker position than if you were required to work during the shutdown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No deal from the talk but Dems are starting to sound like they are preparing to cave.

I want them to cave because I don't want fed workers to lose their jobs. And remember the Supreme court has signaled that the executive branch can do pretty much whatever it wants.

For strategic reasons we should punt, because anything that ends up at the supreme court will end up being permanent.

That doesn't make any sense. If Trump can do whatever he wants, then he will. Why would Democrats want to go along with that?

PP here you have a point. But my point is the least of his issues end up at the supreme Court the better ..so give him what he wants because if you don't and he goes to the supreme court the supreme court will make it permanent

But if you're going to give in, then it's effectively permanent.

Maybe I don't understand what you mean by permanent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain to me why do some of us hate government workers so much ?? There are bad colleagues everywhere private, public, semi private, semi public etc? This hatred for federal workers is frankly disturbing. And the lie that they make a lot give me a break. At 35 I make far more than most federal workers and I enjoy steady career progression.

Do some Americans believe that our soldiers and air traffic controllers are private sector workers? The engineers who investigate air crashes, the civil engineers who work on big massive projects, the scientists who trace very rare but deadly diseases etc? Have Americans been brainwashed into thinking that these guys work for Goldman Sacks?

I am discouraged by our hatred for other Americans for no valid reasons.

No. It’s just that many Americans believe all these people should be private sector workers.

Is there a market for say the EPA in the private sector? The Navy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No deal from the talk but Dems are starting to sound like they are preparing to cave.

I want them to cave because I don't want fed workers to lose their jobs. And remember the Supreme court has signaled that the executive branch can do pretty much whatever it wants.

For strategic reasons we should punt, because anything that ends up at the supreme court will end up being permanent.

That doesn't make any sense. If Trump can do whatever he wants, then he will. Why would Democrats want to go along with that?

PP here you have a point. But my point is the least of his issues end up at the supreme Court the better ..so give him what he wants because if you don't and he goes to the supreme court the supreme court will make it permanent

No, it is strictly worse for Democrats to not challenge this. If they don't, then Republicans will keep doing whatever they want when they're in the White House, while Democrats will keep trying to play by the rules.

If the Supreme Court says there are no rules, then Democrats can do the same thing.

[Anonymous]

This is so depressing. To be placed on furlough not knowing if you’ll have a job at the end of this. I feel hopeless and sad both for myself and my colleagues knowing that some of us (all of us?) could be facing a RIF. This is cruelty at its best-using federal employees as political pawns. It’s sick.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is so depressing. To be placed on furlough not knowing if you’ll have a job at the end of this. I feel hopeless and sad both for myself and my colleagues knowing that some of us (all of us?) could be facing a RIF. This is cruelty at its best-using federal employees as political pawns. It’s sick.

No one is losing their job that wouldn't otherwise lose their job. If Trump and the agency head want you gone, you're going to be gone regardless of whether or not the Democrats cave right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No deal from the talk but Dems are starting to sound like they are preparing to cave.

Where are you reading they’re caving? Schumer can’t have a 10 day CR. There’s no option to amend the CR that’s on the table without the House voting and they’re out until 10/6

Politico was reporting senate dems being ok with just starting negotiations on the healthcare issues. That seems like a pretty soft ask.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No deal from the talk but Dems are starting to sound like they are preparing to cave.

I want them to cave because I don't want fed workers to lose their jobs. And remember the Supreme court has signaled that the executive branch can do pretty much whatever it wants.

For strategic reasons we should punt, because anything that ends up at the supreme court will end up being permanent.

That doesn't make any sense. If Trump can do whatever he wants, then he will. Why would Democrats want to go along with that?

PP here you have a point. But my point is the least of his issues end up at the supreme Court the better ..so give him what he wants because if you don't and he goes to the supreme court the supreme court will make it permanent

But if you're going to give in, then it's effectively permanent.

Maybe I don't understand what you mean by permanent.

You seem to be raising a practical point. PP is raising a legal one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No deal from the talk but Dems are starting to sound like they are preparing to cave.

I want them to cave because I don't want fed workers to lose their jobs. And remember the Supreme court has signaled that the executive branch can do pretty much whatever it wants.

For strategic reasons we should punt, because anything that ends up at the supreme court will end up being permanent.

That doesn't make any sense. If Trump can do whatever he wants, then he will. Why would Democrats want to go along with that?

PP here you have a point. But my point is the least of his issues end up at the supreme Court the better ..so give him what he wants because if you don't and he goes to the supreme court the supreme court will make it permanent

But if you're going to give in, then it's effectively permanent.

Maybe I don't understand what you mean by permanent.

You seem to be raising a practical point. PP is raising a legal one.

Legally it is also better for the Democrats to know what rules they get to play by. Otherwise only the Republicans can do the shady shit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so depressing. To be placed on furlough not knowing if you’ll have a job at the end of this. I feel hopeless and sad both for myself and my colleagues knowing that some of us (all of us?) could be facing a RIF. This is cruelty at its best-using federal employees as political pawns. It’s sick.

No one is losing their job that wouldn't otherwise lose their job. If Trump and the agency head want you gone, you're going to be gone regardless of whether or not the Democrats cave right now.

Disagree-the doge cuts were haphazard and weren’t tied to program proposed to elimination by the Admin. My agency already went through the doge cuts. Now in a shut down and per the memo, they’ll want to cut programs that they want to get rid of-problem is that once the govt is funded, ppl need to be around to administer those programs so they wouldnt cut them under normal circumstances if the govt were funded. Now they just won’t care bc Vought will have ultimate control. The executive branch will have full power of the purse.