To people frustrated with Biden who say they won’t vote in 2024

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To everyone who insists the very possibility of Trump’s return means all thoughtful people must support Biden! I don’t necessarily think Trump would do better, but I doubt he would be all that much worse. What would be a little better is the rhetoric of the blue no matter who crowd, they’d then at least hint at pushing back against the powerful. But with a Democrat in the White House, the blue-no-matter-who-crowd give the powerful have blank check, including doing Trump-like things including building a wall, detaining kids, and arming the Israeli right for an all-out MENA war!

The Democrats are Ho-hum in opposition, but an absolute horror show in power.

I have one criterion for a President: they must leave if/when they lose an election.

Everything after that is gravy.

If that’s all that matters to you, you deserve to loose. There are so many more awful things to be concerned about, you are just declaring you have almost no conscience.

[Anonymous]

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President Joe Biden took a double-digit hit in support from the politically crucial Iowa Democratic caucus, losing backing from women and young voters, a new poll shows.In a new Emerson College polling survey, Biden dropped 19 percentage points – from 69% to 50% – in caucus…

https://www.wgmd.com/poll-shows-biden-lost-double-digit-support-among-iowa-dems/

A new Arab American Institute poll finds that only 17% of Arab American voters saying they will vote for President Biden in 2024 — a staggering drop from 59% in 2020.

Said pollster James Zogby: “This is the most dramatic shift over the shortest period of time that I’ve ever seen.”

“The damage isn’t limited to Biden: Just 23% of Arab Americans identify with the Democratic Party, marking the first time a majority did not claim to prefer the Democrats since the institute began tracking party identification in 1996. Those identifying as Independents rose to 31%, the highest it’s ever been.”

https://politicalwire.com/2023/10/31/poll-suggests-biden-losing-support-of-arab-americans/

Swing-state Muslim Americans threaten to vote against Biden
Muslim Americans voted overwhelmingly for Biden. But community leaders in swing states tell NBC News that the president's handling of the war in Gaza risks losing their support. As Israel’s U.S-backed war against Hamas intensifies and Palestinian civilian deaths mount, a growing number of swing-state Muslim American and Arab American leaders are warning President Joe Biden that he is losing support from their communities in ways that could cost him in next year’s election.

Muslim Americans overwhelmingly backed Biden in 2020 and would be expected to again in 2024, especially if his opponent is former President Donald Trump, who has revived his plans to ban many Muslims from entering the United States.
But in multiple battleground states that Biden won with thin margins last time, a growing chorus of community leaders say his handling of the war in Gaza and Islamophobia at home jeopardize his path to victory in the Electoral College, with many Muslim American and Arab American voters saying they plan to either stay home next November, vote for a write-in or a third-party presidential candidate, or simply leave the top of the ticket blank.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/swing-state-muslim-voters-threaten-vote-against-biden-rcna122870

The poll is the latest evidence that Biden's campaign for a second term in office is rapidly losing Muslim and Arab Americans support over his staunch support of Israel. These voters have traditionally voted for Democratic candidates and are prominent in hotly contested states like Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania, that could decide the 2024 presidential election.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/arab-american-support-biden-democrats-plummets-over-israel-poll-2023-10-31/

Looks like trump will win. Good job Joe! This does not even count the progressives and under 40 voters who are pissed off. Maybe Joe will resign or not run? Can only hope.

Most of us want Biden to resign so that a candidate with more guaranteed odds of beating Trump can come forward. This isn't because most of us are pissed off at Biden or because most of us think he has done a terrible job. We're respectful of and thankful for Biden; we just want a more fit candidate to run in 2024.

Oh you mean like how Trump won in 2020?

Honestly. Some of you seem to have completely forgotten that Biden was the same amount of years older than Trump in 2020 and even with Trump’s incumbent advantage he couldn’t close.

The same polls that were pretty close to accurate ahead of the 2020 election when showing Biden with a comfortable lead overall and in swing states are now consistently across the board showing Trump comfortably ahead overall and Trump ahead by small margins in most swing states. We're dreaming of a simple repeat of 2020 while in reality, we're setting ourselves up for a repeat of 2016.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am completely baffled at all of you who believe that if Trump were in power right now that he wouldn’t have told Bibi to bring out the nukes and level Gaza. Trump wouldn’t be doing anything better or more measured and thoughtful than what is going on now.

If Trump is elected, who is going to work for him? There are few if any competent people willing to work for this clown. I shudder to think at what will happen to the U.S. if he gets re-elected.

I am sick to my stomach thinking that there are so many of you out there.

Full disclosure, I’m Jewish. The Jewish community does not wish harm on the Palestinian people. They need to eradicate Hamas. Please tell me all of you armchair military experts, how would you handle this attack? Israel suffered the worst attack on its people since the Holocaust annd anll of you expect them to just take it without responding. Israel is attacked and it is their own fault. Israel would love to live in peace. If Hamas would lay down their arms, there would be peace. If Israel laid down their arms, there would be no more Israel.

The bolded is the lie. WE have decades and decades of evidence that shows the opposite. Palestinians have been murdered at alarming rates by IDF and settlers all signed off by the Israeli government. The Israeli public is far more right wing radical and rabid than the US, and the dehumanization of Palestinians - and Arabs at large - has been rampant. I've not seen peace from the majority of Israelis in a long time. Yes, there is a small group of Israelis who believe in it but they are drowned out by the far right.

[Anonymous]

And the “vote Biden or you’re a Trumper” folks need to realize that, should Biden lose in ‘24, no one is going to wring their hands about how they voted third party.

They’re going to say— we told you a year ago you were on the wrong path. We yelled it. We screamed it. We said it in polls. And you ignored us at your peril.

Here’s the one year warning: do better. Stop marginalizing people. Stop characterizing criticism and dissent as Trumpism.

Because no matter how many times you say “blue no matter who” you will have no one to blame but yourselves. Everyone sees this coming.

[Anonymous]

I don't believe Trump would handle this situation better. I do believe there would be a high, if not certain, likelihood that we would not be in this position.

Oh really? How - with his awesomeness? Reminder: he threw fuel on the fire by moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, thereby removing the US as a good faith arbiter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And the “vote Biden or you’re a Trumper” folks need to realize that, should Biden lose in ‘24, no one is going to wring their hands about how they voted third party.

They’re going to say— we told you a year ago you were on the wrong path. We yelled it. We screamed it. We said it in polls. And you ignored us at your peril.

Here’s the one year warning: do better. Stop marginalizing people. Stop characterizing criticism and dissent as Trumpism.

Because no matter how many times you say “blue no matter who” you will have no one to blame but yourselves. Everyone sees this coming.

And you can be smug about it, knowing that your purity was maintained.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And the “vote Biden or you’re a Trumper” folks need to realize that, should Biden lose in ‘24, no one is going to wring their hands about how they voted third party.

They’re going to say— we told you a year ago you were on the wrong path. We yelled it. We screamed it. We said it in polls. And you ignored us at your peril.

Here’s the one year warning: do better. Stop marginalizing people. Stop characterizing criticism and dissent as Trumpism.

Because no matter how many times you say “blue no matter who” you will have no one to blame but yourselves. Everyone sees this coming.

And we are telling you, even if you think Biden is the wrong path, if he loses, he will leave office. There won't be an insurrection.

You cannot say the same thing about Trump. He is telling you now, if he wins: abortion will be illegal, he will wreck retribution on anyone he feels crossed him, he will pull out of NATO, he will align the US fully with Russia and all that entails. he will deport people back to their "sh#thole" countries; We will have no guardrails on Trump and his cronies raping the US for all of the valuable parts - natural resources, intellectual property etc., workers rights, the environment, you name it, will be mere rumble strips on "unragulated capitalism" but with the crony party as a central piece.

So sure, both sides are the same and it won't matter who wins. Be as forewarned as you are warning about Biden losing.

[Anonymous]

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I don't believe Trump would handle this situation better. I do believe there would be a high, if not certain, likelihood that we would not be in this position.

Oh really? How - with his awesomeness? Reminder: he threw fuel on the fire by moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, thereby removing the US as a good faith arbiter.

Biden said he was a Zionist, covered up Israel bombing the hospital, gave Israel a green light to kill as many Palestinians as they want with unlimited US weapons, is all in on removing Palestinians from Israel, denied any Palestinians have been killed in Gaza, joked about Palestinians deaths, said the Palestinian( not Hamas) needs to aim better, does not recognize Palestinians right to exist, etc, etc.

Biden can do that without my vote.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To everyone who insists the very possibility of Trump’s return means all thoughtful people must support Biden! I don’t necessarily think Trump would do better, but I doubt he would be all that much worse. What would be a little better is the rhetoric of the blue no matter who crowd, they’d then at least hint at pushing back against the powerful. But with a Democrat in the White House, the blue-no-matter-who-crowd give the powerful have blank check, including doing Trump-like things including building a wall, detaining kids, and arming the Israeli right for an all-out MENA war!

The Democrats are Ho-hum in opposition, but an absolute horror show in power.

I have one criterion for a President: they must leave if/when they lose an election.

Everything after that is gravy.

If that’s all that matters to you, you deserve to loose. There are so many more awful things to be concerned about, you are just declaring you have almost no conscience.

Given, you know, all of recorded history, I'd say that peaceful transition of power is of the utmost importance.

Your disdain for it shows that you have almost no knowledge of history.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don't believe Trump would handle this situation better. I do believe there would be a high, if not certain, likelihood that we would not be in this position.

Oh really? How - with his awesomeness? Reminder: he threw fuel on the fire by moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, thereby removing the US as a good faith arbiter.

Biden said he was a Zionist, covered up Israel bombing the hospital, gave Israel a green light to kill as many Palestinians as they want with unlimited US weapons, is all in on removing Palestinians from Israel, denied any Palestinians have been killed in Gaza, joked about Palestinians deaths, said the Palestinian( not Hamas) needs to aim better, does not recognize Palestinians right to exist, etc, etc.

Biden can do that without my vote.

SMH. Could you at least criticize using reality instead of fantasy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don't believe Trump would handle this situation better. I do believe there would be a high, if not certain, likelihood that we would not be in this position.

Oh really? How - with his awesomeness? Reminder: he threw fuel on the fire by moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, thereby removing the US as a good faith arbiter.

Biden said he was a Zionist, covered up Israel bombing the hospital, gave Israel a green light to kill as many Palestinians as they want with unlimited US weapons, is all in on removing Palestinians from Israel, denied any Palestinians have been killed in Gaza, joked about Palestinians deaths, said the Palestinian( not Hamas) needs to aim better, does not recognize Palestinians right to exist, etc, etc.

Biden can do that without my vote.

SMH. Could you at least criticize using reality instead of fantasy?

The reality is that people like PP finally feel comfortable letting their anti-semitism out in public. Used to be only Republicans felt good about that - now unfortunately we've got the far feeling pretty good saying out loud the hateful things they used to have to hide, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I don't believe Trump would handle this situation better. I do believe there would be a high, if not certain, likelihood that we would not be in this position.

Oh really? How - with his awesomeness? Reminder: he threw fuel on the fire by moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, thereby removing the US as a good faith arbiter.

Look at Wray's face expression when Scott asked him if the US is safer under President Biden? No response, but his face expression is very telling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don't believe Trump would handle this situation better. I do believe there would be a high, if not certain, likelihood that we would not be in this position.

Oh really? How - with his awesomeness? Reminder: he threw fuel on the fire by moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, thereby removing the US as a good faith arbiter.

Biden said he was a Zionist, covered up Israel bombing the hospital, gave Israel a green light to kill as many Palestinians as they want with unlimited US weapons, is all in on removing Palestinians from Israel, denied any Palestinians have been killed in Gaza, joked about Palestinians deaths, said the Palestinian( not Hamas) needs to aim better, does not recognize Palestinians right to exist, etc, etc.

Biden can do that without my vote.

SMH. Could you at least criticize using reality instead of fantasy?

The reality is that people like PP finally feel comfortable letting their anti-semitism out in public. Used to be only Republicans felt good about that - now unfortunately we've got the far feeling pretty good saying out loud the hateful things they used to have to hide, too.

+1

The far left has a long and vulgar history of anti-Semitism, and we're seeing it on full display.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you live in a state that was at all a close Biden victory, just know that you are making it more likely that Trump will win again.

Be frustrated all you want, but ask yourself whether it’s worth a second Trump term.

I will vote for Biden but he is not doing enough to fight anti semitism. He needs to take action now and come down hard on immigrants and refugees committing these acts plus anyone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And the “vote Biden or you’re a Trumper” folks need to realize that, should Biden lose in ‘24, no one is going to wring their hands about how they voted third party.

They’re going to say— we told you a year ago you were on the wrong path. We yelled it. We screamed it. We said it in polls. And you ignored us at your peril.

Here’s the one year warning: do better. Stop marginalizing people. Stop characterizing criticism and dissent as Trumpism.

Because no matter how many times you say “blue no matter who” you will have no one to blame but yourselves. Everyone sees this coming.

I think the polling data from the past few weeks is something the DNC won't ignore. The alarm bells are ringing. It will be interesting to see the messaging that comes out of the Biden campaign in the coming weeks. If there is any chance of Biden being convinced to back out of the race for a second term, it would be best if that decision and announcement is made much sooner than later. If Biden were replaced by a normal candidate, the RNC's hand could be forced into getting Trump off the ticket mode as they will quickly realize Trump would have zero chance against a normal Dem candidate.