2022 Olympics

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This is obviously what happened. She wasn't willing to give up her US citizenship (and the protections it provides), and China agreed to bend (put kindly) their own laws so that she would be able to compete for them. She's obviously not willing to admit that, of course.

At the moment she has more than 16% of China's total medals in these Olympics.

I've been watching the daily IOC press briefings, due to the Valieva case, and they're regularly asked questions about Eileen Gu's citizenship too (and the Chinese hockey team) and they don't want to admit her status either.

Re-upping this post to the Gu citizenship question/issue:

I don't think she has. She has evaded the question (see article below). And it's hard to formally renounce your US Citizenship. You have to do it in person, at a Consulate, and it takes months. I don't think an actual renunciation would have escaped the notice of the foreign press. And I keep hearing that she's attending Stanford - is she on a J-1 visa then? It could happen but I think it would be a pretty big lift for Stanford to argue that someone that JUST renounced their US Citizenship in favor of Chinese cistizenship needs a J-1 visa. And once that news got out, hoo boy. That does not, as we say, pass the Washington Post test.

This article is pretty brutal - and completely spot on. She's being used. I don't think she's totally innocent here, but she is very young.

The citizenship question is in the middle:

https://www.si.com/olympics/2022/02/08/eileen-gu-b...medal-china-citizenship-status

I feel 100% certain she has not renounced her US citizenship.

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^^ Also, they're airing the live coverage on USA network. Ladies FS will be 5AM on Thursday, and then Pairs is 5 or 6AM on Friday and Saturday.

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Anonymous wrote:You could tell Johnny and Tara were seething with rage during their commentary - they barely tried to conceal it - whereas Terry kept saying, remember, she’s only 15!

I didn't bother watching the skating but saw an interview of the 2 decrying the decision to let Kamila skate. They were pretty clear on where they stood. And really, being 15 shouldn't give her a free pass to doping or reaping the advantage from doping

Which is slightly amusing given that Johnny has been such a Russian cheerleader up until now.

NP. What's the problem with Johnny admiring and saying positive things about Russian skaters and performances? His job is to be a skating commentator, yes, not a Team USA cheerleader? Do you think other countries' commentators should not say anything positive about Nathan Chen or Chock and Bates or other U.S. skaters just because they aren't from their respective countries? Do you think Dick Button was a “Ukrainian cheerleader” when he used to compliment Oksana Baiul?

I'm rooting for Team USA, but I recognize that the Russian and Japanese ladies are far better than our female skaters. I can admire Wakaba Higuchi's talent; that doesn't make me a "Japanese cheerleader."

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Anonymous wrote:She skated well but can't get a medal. She will go and represent China in 4 years.

who?

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Anonymous wrote:She skated well but can't get a medal. She will go and represent China in 4 years.

Who is "she?"

Alysia Liu? No way she will ever represent China and no way will they ever ask her, considering who her father is. Her father is an immigration attorney who has represented people seeking political asylum from China because they've been tortured or persecuted by the Chinese gov't.

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Anonymous wrote:You could tell Johnny and Tara were seething with rage during their commentary - they barely tried to conceal it - whereas Terry kept saying, remember, she’s only 15!

I didn't bother watching the skating but saw an interview of the 2 decrying the decision to let Kamila skate. They were pretty clear on where they stood. And really, being 15 shouldn't give her a free pass to doping or reaping the advantage from doping

Which is slightly amusing given that Johnny has been such a Russian cheerleader up until now.

NP. What's the problem with Johnny admiring and saying positive things about Russian skaters and performances? His job is to be a skating commentator, yes, not a Team USA cheerleader? Do you think other countries' commentators should not say anything positive about Nathan Chen or Chock and Bates or other U.S. skaters just because they aren't from their respective countries? Do you think Dick Button was a “Ukrainian cheerleader” when he used to compliment Oksana Baiul?

I'm rooting for Team USA, but I recognize that the Russian and Japanese ladies are far better than our female skaters. I can admire Wakaba Higuchi's talent; that doesn't make me a "Japanese cheerleader."

he has declared himself a Russophile in the past

you might find this article interesting: https://southfloridagaynews.com/World/russian-society-requests-figure-skater-johnny-weir-be-less-fabulous.html

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone even going to bother to watch the women's skating? That's always my favorite event, and I won't be tuning in. I'm soured on the entire Olympics from that stupid scandal and haven't watched since they said she could compete.

I’m going to watch it (eventually; it’s my least favourite figure skating event tbh so I’m going to finish catching up on men’s and dance first) but I agree that the whole doping thing has made it way less enjoyable. I feel so bad for the Russian kids but also for all the other skaters who might not be getting a fair competition. 😔

I'm pulling so hard for Kaori Sakamoto.

At this point, I'm pulling for any woman except the Russians, and I used to be a fan of the Russian ladies. I don't believe any of them are clean now. Why would the coaches stop at just one girl? The other 2 just didn't get caught.

Yup.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You could tell Johnny and Tara were seething with rage during their commentary - they barely tried to conceal it - whereas Terry kept saying, remember, she’s only 15!

I didn't bother watching the skating but saw an interview of the 2 decrying the decision to let Kamila skate. They were pretty clear on where they stood. And really, being 15 shouldn't give her a free pass to doping or reaping the advantage from doping

Which is slightly amusing given that Johnny has been such a Russian cheerleader up until now.

NP. What's the problem with Johnny admiring and saying positive things about Russian skaters and performances? His job is to be a skating commentator, yes, not a Team USA cheerleader? Do you think other countries' commentators should not say anything positive about Nathan Chen or Chock and Bates or other U.S. skaters just because they aren't from their respective countries? Do you think Dick Button was a “Ukrainian cheerleader” when he used to compliment Oksana Baiul?

I'm rooting for Team USA, but I recognize that the Russian and Japanese ladies are far better than our female skaters. I can admire Wakaba Higuchi's talent; that doesn't make me a "Japanese cheerleader."

he has declared himself a Russophile in the past

you might find this article interesting: https://southfloridagaynews.com/World/russian-society-requests-figure-skater-johnny-weir-be-less-fabulous.html

Yes, in 2013, before the Russian sabres started rattling.

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Anonymous wrote:You could tell Johnny and Tara were seething with rage during their commentary - they barely tried to conceal it - whereas Terry kept saying, remember, she’s only 15!

The only reason I tuned in to the short program this morning was to hear Johnny and Tara repeat over and over how wrong it was that she was skating, and they didn't disappoint.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a way to watch the competitions I’ve missed after the fact? I missed the men’s skating and tried to watch during the day on Sunday and the only option seemed to be paying for coverage on Peacock. Is that correct?

Do you have a cable subscription? You might be able to watch on NBC.com or NBCOlympics.com with your cable login.

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Anonymous wrote:

This is obviously what happened. She wasn't willing to give up her US citizenship (and the protections it provides), and China agreed to bend (put kindly) their own laws so that she would be able to compete for them. She's obviously not willing to admit that, of course.

At the moment she has more than 16% of China's total medals in these Olympics.

I've been watching the daily IOC press briefings, due to the Valieva case, and they're regularly asked questions about Eileen Gu's citizenship too (and the Chinese hockey team) and they don't want to admit her status either.

Re-upping this post to the Gu citizenship question/issue:

I don't think she has. She has evaded the question (see article below). And it's hard to formally renounce your US Citizenship. You have to do it in person, at a Consulate, and it takes months. I don't think an actual renunciation would have escaped the notice of the foreign press. And I keep hearing that she's attending Stanford - is she on a J-1 visa then? It could happen but I think it would be a pretty big lift for Stanford to argue that someone that JUST renounced their US Citizenship in favor of Chinese cistizenship needs a J-1 visa. And once that news got out, hoo boy. That does not, as we say, pass the Washington Post test.

This article is pretty brutal - and completely spot on. She's being used. I don't think she's totally innocent here, but she is very young.

The citizenship question is in the middle:

https://www.si.com/olympics/2022/02/08/eileen-gu-b...medal-china-citizenship-status

I feel 100% certain she has not renounced her US citizenship.

Same here. I believe she holds American citizenship and that’s why she is allowed to use social media as she wishes and have freedoms real Chinese do not. And I doubt she would risk her Stanford admission over risk of not getting a J-1 visa. She is way to success minded and self centered for that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You could tell Johnny and Tara were seething with rage during their commentary - they barely tried to conceal it - whereas Terry kept saying, remember, she’s only 15!

I didn't bother watching the skating but saw an interview of the 2 decrying the decision to let Kamila skate. They were pretty clear on where they stood. And really, being 15 shouldn't give her a free pass to doping or reaping the advantage from doping

Which is slightly amusing given that Johnny has been such a Russian cheerleader up until now.

NP. What's the problem with Johnny admiring and saying positive things about Russian skaters and performances? His job is to be a skating commentator, yes, not a Team USA cheerleader? Do you think other countries' commentators should not say anything positive about Nathan Chen or Chock and Bates or other U.S. skaters just because they aren't from their respective countries? Do you think Dick Button was a “Ukrainian cheerleader” when he used to compliment Oksana Baiul?

I'm rooting for Team USA, but I recognize that the Russian and Japanese ladies are far better than our female skaters. I can admire Wakaba Higuchi's talent; that doesn't make me a "Japanese cheerleader."

he has declared himself a Russophile in the past

you might find this article interesting: https://southfloridagaynews.com/World/russian-society-requests-figure-skater-johnny-weir-be-less-fabulous.html

Yes, in 2013, before the Russian sabres started rattling.

What a funny article. lol!! Russia says they are protecting the children from homosexuality and that protecting children is the main goal. Meanwhile, they are doping children…

You can’t make up this kind of crazy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You could tell Johnny and Tara were seething with rage during their commentary - they barely tried to conceal it - whereas Terry kept saying, remember, she’s only 15!

I didn't bother watching the skating but saw an interview of the 2 decrying the decision to let Kamila skate. They were pretty clear on where they stood. And really, being 15 shouldn't give her a free pass to doping or reaping the advantage from doping

Which is slightly amusing given that Johnny has been such a Russian cheerleader up until now.

NP. What's the problem with Johnny admiring and saying positive things about Russian skaters and performances? His job is to be a skating commentator, yes, not a Team USA cheerleader? Do you think other countries' commentators should not say anything positive about Nathan Chen or Chock and Bates or other U.S. skaters just because they aren't from their respective countries? Do you think Dick Button was a “Ukrainian cheerleader” when he used to compliment Oksana Baiul?

I'm rooting for Team USA, but I recognize that the Russian and Japanese ladies are far better than our female skaters. I can admire Wakaba Higuchi's talent; that doesn't make me a "Japanese cheerleader."

he has declared himself a Russophile in the past

you might find this article interesting: https://southfloridagaynews.com/World/russian-society-requests-figure-skater-johnny-weir-be-less-fabulous.html

Yes, in 2013, before the Russian sabres started rattling.

What a funny article. lol!! Russia says they are protecting the children from homosexuality and that protecting children is the main goal. Meanwhile, they are doping children…

You can’t make up this kind of crazy.

Welcome to Putin's Russia

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Anonymous wrote:How horrific is it that a 15 year old was given a cardiac medication for performance enhancement?
I mean, she's f-ing 15. She has youth and a freaking ton of natural energy. And yet, they wanted to eek out what, an hour more of practice per day?
At the expense of possibly damaging her heart?

Seriously, this is the stuff of nightmares.

It isn't just to practice longer, it's so they have more stamina at the end of their long program, which is huge advantage in the scoring system. Remember, in the 2018 olympics, the difference between the gold and silver was that the gold medalist put most of her triples in the second half of her long program, which earns you extra points. The gold medalist had the same coach as Kamila.

And at last year's World, the gold medal winner (same Russian coach) was so out of breath after her short program and there was a rumor that she was sick and could barely stay awake. Then during the long program, she was flawless and looked as if she had enough stamina for a redo if necessary.

That Russian coach specialized in teaching young girls not to eat so they weigh less. When they begin breaking bones or getting otherwise injured, the coach tosses them aside and the next baby girl takes the old one’s place. You can look back at the history of the coach’s former pupils to see the wake of destruction.


I’m over the skating and won’t be watching. If I see a product endorsed by an Olympian, I won’t buy it. Won’t watch the Olympics. It’s a waste of time if the winner is the one who is best at hiding their doping.

A medal means little if you can just switch countries overnight. No way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This is obviously what happened. She wasn't willing to give up her US citizenship (and the protections it provides), and China agreed to bend (put kindly) their own laws so that she would be able to compete for them. She's obviously not willing to admit that, of course.

At the moment she has more than 16% of China's total medals in these Olympics.

I've been watching the daily IOC press briefings, due to the Valieva case, and they're regularly asked questions about Eileen Gu's citizenship too (and the Chinese hockey team) and they don't want to admit her status either.

Re-upping this post to the Gu citizenship question/issue:

I don't think she has. She has evaded the question (see article below). And it's hard to formally renounce your US Citizenship. You have to do it in person, at a Consulate, and it takes months. I don't think an actual renunciation would have escaped the notice of the foreign press. And I keep hearing that she's attending Stanford - is she on a J-1 visa then? It could happen but I think it would be a pretty big lift for Stanford to argue that someone that JUST renounced their US Citizenship in favor of Chinese cistizenship needs a J-1 visa. And once that news got out, hoo boy. That does not, as we say, pass the Washington Post test.

This article is pretty brutal - and completely spot on. She's being used. I don't think she's totally innocent here, but she is very young.

The citizenship question is in the middle:

https://www.si.com/olympics/2022/02/08/eileen-gu-b...medal-china-citizenship-status

I feel 100% certain she has not renounced her US citizenship.

Same here. I believe she holds American citizenship and that’s why she is allowed to use social media as she wishes and have freedoms real Chinese do not. And I doubt she would risk her Stanford admission over risk of not getting a J-1 visa. She is way to success minded and self centered for that.

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Which makes this her last olympics unless she chooses to compete for the US in 4 years.