900 unvaccinated DC firefighters could lose their jobs Sept 30

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is great until your house burns down or you need to be extricated from a totaled car. I’m pro-vax, but I think this is going to backfire.

Nope.

You see there is a waitlist of people wanting that job. Yay. They will now be moved up. The old boys club will be trashed. Fun stuff.

Let them go idiots.

Firefighters are overpaid PUBLIC funded employees. Their unions fight to keep their pay hire and WMT pay low (who just happen to be more women and people of color). It’s an old boys club racket and I am hear for this. Same with Police. PUBLIC funds, my money, your money.

Get the vaccine or find another line of work.

Anyone worried about them leaving in large numbers is foolish. Firefighters are highly paid and many only have a high school diploma. That salary with that education level is nearly impossible to replicate. If someone quits their job because they don't want a COVID shot then they're to dumb to be a firefighter anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is great until your house burns down or you need to be extricated from a totaled car. I’m pro-vax, but I think this is going to backfire.

On the firefighters. They will just get vaccinated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's really insane that so many 1st responders across this country are unvaccinated. I think it really speaks to the (undiagnosed) PTSD related to their jobs and how they need dehumanize even themselves to cope with the stress and gore.

These guys will wear protective equipment when they take a call. The vaccine is simply another piece of equipment in your locker to help you get home safely to your family.

I do not routinely say this because it sounds really mean, but nurses, EMTs, etc. generally believe a lot of bunk and health/medicine mumbo jumbo. Obviously not all of them, but enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Correction: 900 DC firefighters will voluntarily give up their jobs because they refuse to take a free and easy measure to do the absolute bare minimum for public safety.

+1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is great until your house burns down or you need to be extricated from a totaled car. I’m pro-vax, but I think this is going to backfire.

Nice extortion. Too bad no one's buying your BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is great until your house burns down or you need to be extricated from a totaled car. I’m pro-vax, but I think this is going to backfire.

Nope.

You see there is a waitlist of people wanting that job. Yay. They will now be moved up. The old boys club will be trashed. Fun stuff.

Let them go idiots.

Firefighters are overpaid PUBLIC funded employees. Their unions fight to keep their pay hire and WMT pay low (who just happen to be more women and people of color). It’s an old boys club racket and I am hear for this. Same with Police. PUBLIC funds, my money, your money.

Get the vaccine or find another line of work.

Anyone worried about them leaving in large numbers is foolish. Firefighters are highly paid and many only have a high school diploma. That salary with that education level is nearly impossible to replicate. If someone quits their job because they don't want a COVID shot then they're to dumb to be a firefighter anyway.

Plenty of firefighters have college degrees now. At the very least they’ve gone through training at a fire academy. There are several firefighters in my family and I’ve heard it’s not as difficult to get hired now (ie the waitlist is much shorter). But the skills aren’t really transferable to professions that would not require the vaccine so I don’t believe DC firefighters will quit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most of them probably had Covid. I hope those who support them being fired will step up and replace them.

Won't be necessary. These are highly sought after jobs with excellent benefits. They are flooded with qualified applicants. The few who actually quit will be replaced within days.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's really insane that so many 1st responders across this country are unvaccinated. I think it really speaks to the (undiagnosed) PTSD related to their jobs and how they need dehumanize even themselves to cope with the stress and gore.

These guys will wear protective equipment when they take a call. The vaccine is simply another piece of equipment in your locker to help you get home safely to your family.

Why are so many nurses and nursing home workers unvaccinated? They are at the front lines and seeing all this, and still they don't want the vaccine?

A surprisingly high percentage of nurses are into woo and alternative medicine. There are nurses in my family, and they are always talking about this stuff. At work, they provide the standard of care, but they are not themselves scientists, and many don't have four-year degrees or advanced degrees. They might know a lot about how COVID presents and have experience treating people with COVID, but they don't necessarily know anything more about vaccines than anyone else. Nursing home staff are generally less-educated people who aren't making very much money (one reason it spread so badly in nursing homes is that many workers have to work at more than one home to make ends meet, so they were carrying it from home to home).

They are not a full nurse if they don’t have a 4 year degree.

Um, no. They are not REGISTERED nurses without a 4 year degree.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So why exactly are so many fire fighters refusing to be vaccinated? Is it because they're Republican?

In DC ??

No, not a chance.

Most don't live anywhere near DC. My cousin is a retired firefighter. He lives in Stafford, VA. His colleagues lived in W. Virginia, Fredricksburg, etc. They do 3 day shifts so it's easy to live really far.

Their shifts are 24-hours, not 72.

NP but firefighters I know will trade shifts to get two or three days in a row and then have five or six days off. My cousin moved shifts around so much he had two weeks off without taking a day of vacation. And except for my cousin all the firefighters I know live at least an hour for their respective city. Several live two hours away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So why exactly are so many fire fighters refusing to be vaccinated? Is it because they're Republican?

In DC ??

No, not a chance.

Most don't live anywhere near DC. My cousin is a retired firefighter. He lives in Stafford, VA. His colleagues lived in W. Virginia, Fredricksburg, etc. They do 3 day shifts so it's easy to live really far.

Their shifts are 24-hours, not 72.

NP but firefighters I know will trade shifts to get two or three days in a row and then have five or six days off. My cousin moved shifts around so much he had two weeks off without taking a day of vacation. And except for my cousin all the firefighters I know live at least an hour for their respective city. Several live two hours away.

I don’t know firefighters who do this. Yes they trade days occasionally, but they have families and spouses who work and it’s not realistic to be away more than 48 hours. They get extra days off (kelly days) every few weeks that give them 5-7 days off in a row. That’s probably what you’re noticing.

DC firefighters work one day on and then three off. Or that’s how it was around 2010. The most common schedule seems to be one day on and then two off but DC can be busy so they need more rest. They send an obscene amount of vehicles to every call.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's really insane that so many 1st responders across this country are unvaccinated. I think it really speaks to the (undiagnosed) PTSD related to their jobs and how they need dehumanize even themselves to cope with the stress and gore.

These guys will wear protective equipment when they take a call. The vaccine is simply another piece of equipment in your locker to help you get home safely to your family.

Why are so many nurses and nursing home workers unvaccinated? They are at the front lines and seeing all this, and still they don't want the vaccine?

A surprisingly high percentage of nurses are into woo and alternative medicine. There are nurses in my family, and they are always talking about this stuff. At work, they provide the standard of care, but they are not themselves scientists, and many don't have four-year degrees or advanced degrees. They might know a lot about how COVID presents and have experience treating people with COVID, but they don't necessarily know anything more about vaccines than anyone else. Nursing home staff are generally less-educated people who aren't making very much money (one reason it spread so badly in nursing homes is that many workers have to work at more than one home to make ends meet, so they were carrying it from home to home).

They are not a full nurse if they don’t have a 4 year degree.

Um, no. They are not REGISTERED nurses without a 4 year degree.

Of course they are. You can get your ADN and then complete the RN licensing requirement.
https://nursejournal.org/degrees/bsn/rn-and-bsn-degree-differences/

[Anonymous]

The classism on this thread is shocking. Yes, they should be vaccinated and no doubt will choose to be with the above 'encouragement'. But the bashing of people who do needed and dangerous jobs is unecessary. If you want them all to have Masters degrees so they are more 'fit company' for you, be ready to pay much higher salaries and find the rare bird with a Masters or PhD willing to rush into a fire for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The classism on this thread is shocking. Yes, they should be vaccinated and no doubt will choose to be with the above 'encouragement'. But the bashing of people who do needed and dangerous jobs is unecessary. If you want them all to have Masters degrees so they are more 'fit company' for you, be ready to pay much higher salaries and find the rare bird with a Masters or PhD willing to rush into a fire for you.

I don’t care what degree they have as long as they get vaccinated. The discussion about degrees was related to speculation about why they are low-information anti-vaxxers. Point being many first responders and medical personnel are not that well educated and hence anti-vax.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So why exactly are so many fire fighters refusing to be vaccinated? Is it because they're Republican?

In DC ??

No, not a chance.

Most don't live anywhere near DC. My cousin is a retired firefighter. He lives in Stafford, VA. His colleagues lived in W. Virginia, Fredricksburg, etc. They do 3 day shifts so it's easy to live really far.

Their shifts are 24-hours, not 72.

NP but firefighters I know will trade shifts to get two or three days in a row and then have five or six days off. My cousin moved shifts around so much he had two weeks off without taking a day of vacation. And except for my cousin all the firefighters I know live at least an hour for their respective city. Several live two hours away.

must be a nice quiet station…… the couple of DC firefighters I know are up most of their 24 shift and generally not looking to be awake for another 24.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So why exactly are so many fire fighters refusing to be vaccinated? Is it because they're Republican?

In DC ??

No, not a chance.

Most don't live anywhere near DC. My cousin is a retired firefighter. He lives in Stafford, VA. His colleagues lived in W. Virginia, Fredricksburg, etc. They do 3 day shifts so it's easy to live really far.

Their shifts are 24-hours, not 72.

NP but firefighters I know will trade shifts to get two or three days in a row and then have five or six days off. My cousin moved shifts around so much he had two weeks off without taking a day of vacation. And except for my cousin all the firefighters I know live at least an hour for their respective city. Several live two hours away.

I don’t know firefighters who do this. Yes they trade days occasionally, but they have families and spouses who work and it’s not realistic to be away more than 48 hours. They get extra days off (kelly days) every few weeks that give them 5-7 days off in a row. That’s probably what you’re noticing.

DC firefighters work one day on and then three off. Or that’s how it was around 2010. The most common schedule seems to be one day on and then two off but DC can be busy so they need more rest. They send an obscene amount of vehicles to every call.

For the firefighters I know (none in DC though) they don’t use the chunks of time for vacation, they use it for side jobs.

Also, doesn’t the new OSHA regulation on all workplaces over 50 employees testing weekly or being vaccinated make this whole issue moot?