Test optional sucks and Cornell is not elite

[Anonymous]

I love how she swears in the video, Real quality catch you picked there Cornell.

[Anonymous]

Just think, OP and PPs, without this tik-tok and test optional to blame for your kid not getting into the schools you feel entitled to, you'd have to find something else! It's really a blessing/scape-goat in disguise.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So basically mediocre students can get into Ivies but exceptional hard working students cannot. Hmm.. makes so much sense

only if those mediocre students are first gen students, the right kind of minority, athletes, or have parents who write very large checks

or lead national movements, perform in the top 1% of the nation at something, are self made.

My kid does an international sport as Team USA and went in with 1530 SAT. Rejected from four ivies. Who knows what it takes?

[Anonymous]

https://www.k12dive.com/news/high-school-gpa-5-times-more-likely-to-predict-college-success-than-act-sco/571287/

https://edpolicyinca.org/publications/predicting-college-success-how-do-different-high-school-assessments-measure-2019

https://cae.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Zahner-Ramsaran-Steedle-2012-Comparing_Alternatives_in_the_Prediction_of_College_Success.pdf

Stay mad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I love how she swears in the video, Real quality catch you picked there Cornell.

You know your kid probably swears, just not in front of you, right?

This thread is bizarre. Don't you remember how much the SAT sucked? Don't you remember being miserable on a Saturday morning as you had to take the damn thing? Feeling like no matter how good a student you were, Monday-Friday, how you did on this one thing was more important?

Thank goodness that isn't the case anymore.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMe57FM2M/
Into Cornell with an 1130.

This is my family's school. Just remember Cornell will sometimes take a chance or someone knowing that they may or may not make it. So, the trick will be to stay in Cornell .

There is a reason why other countries are pulling ahead of us academically—they base admittance to top colleges on actual results. Tests. Performance. That is ridiculous this girl with 1130 SATs (and you can see 1040 PSATs) gets accepted to one of the most elite schools in the world. I know so many kids getting into no top schools with close to perfect test scores. Keeping test optional is bs. Every kid applying for Fall 2022 can take either test they want before Fall applications. There is zero cancelation for SATs coming up. Our country has really gone nuts. No problem with a college discounting a wealthy private school kid’s SAT 50 points but doesn’t this video show we have gone crazy???

Most elite schools IN THE WORLD?? Not quite.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid who was a NMS, had 35 ACT, countless APs and extremely high GPA, three sport athlete and involved in leadership activities got rejected by almost every Ivy League (she didn’t apply to one - rejected by the rest).

Very jaded here.

It isn't her. I know you know that but you need to keep repeating it. It isn't her.

We have 4 kids either graduated from or are currently attending Ivies. Each of our kids have told us the same thing: the scandal has caused all sorts of craziness with Ivy admissions. In the past 2 years our kids have seen an incredible downward trend in the quality of admitted students.

Our kids say they and their friends have noticed and commented about the poor caliber of incoming students. One of their friends is a TA as he is pursuing his PhD and he wrote the most scathing closed blog post about the quality of this year's Freshman class. I don't know if the Ivies admissions groups will be able to get back on course or not. It will be interesting to see.

Just keep repeating, PP, it isn't my daughter, it is the bad process. Hugs to your daughter that she loves where she ends up choosing and knowing that they wanted her for her.

DP. Wow, the TA sounds like a really great guy. Not snobby or elitist in the slightest. Same with your own kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I love how she swears in the video, Real quality catch you picked there Cornell.

You know your kid probably swears, just not in front of you, right?

This thread is bizarre. Don't you remember how much the SAT sucked? Don't you remember being miserable on a Saturday morning as you had to take the damn thing? Feeling like no matter how good a student you were, Monday-Friday, how you did on this one thing was more important?

Thank goodness that isn't the case anymore.

We complain the SAT is biased and we complain when it is no used too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how she swears in the video, Real quality catch you picked there Cornell.

You know your kid probably swears, just not in front of you, right?

This thread is bizarre. Don't you remember how much the SAT sucked? Don't you remember being miserable on a Saturday morning as you had to take the damn thing? Feeling like no matter how good a student you were, Monday-Friday, how you did on this one thing was more important?

Thank goodness that isn't the case anymore.

We complain the SAT is biased and we complain when it is no used too.

I doubt there is much overlap between those two groups

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid who was a NMS, had 35 ACT, countless APs and extremely high GPA, three sport athlete and involved in leadership activities got rejected by almost every Ivy League (she didn’t apply to one - rejected by the rest).

Very jaded here.

It isn't her. I know you know that but you need to keep repeating it. It isn't her.

We have 4 kids either graduated from or are currently attending Ivies. Each of our kids have told us the same thing: the scandal has caused all sorts of craziness with Ivy admissions. In the past 2 years our kids have seen an incredible downward trend in the quality of admitted students.

Our kids say they and their friends have noticed and commented about the poor caliber of incoming students. One of their friends is a TA as he is pursuing his PhD and he wrote the most scathing closed blog post about the quality of this year's Freshman class. I don't know if the Ivies admissions groups will be able to get back on course or not. It will be interesting to see.

Just keep repeating, PP, it isn't my daughter, it is the bad process. Hugs to your daughter that she loves where she ends up choosing and knowing that they wanted her for her.

All your anecdotes, while lovely, do not = data. If the data shows a substantive drop of class quality, they will change the policies.

Unlikely. Far more likely is that anyone who points it out will be fired.

Now you are just being petulant. No reason to continue a dialog with that.

Particularly when you have no response on the merits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how she swears in the video, Real quality catch you picked there Cornell.

You know your kid probably swears, just not in front of you, right?

This thread is bizarre. Don't you remember how much the SAT sucked? Don't you remember being miserable on a Saturday morning as you had to take the damn thing? Feeling like no matter how good a student you were, Monday-Friday, how you did on this one thing was more important?

Thank goodness that isn't the case anymore.

Right. Let’s not do anything hard or stressful.
I’m sure my kid swears. I also know they would be smart enough not to be doing this and posting it online. It is 100% trashy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how she swears in the video, Real quality catch you picked there Cornell.

You know your kid probably swears, just not in front of you, right?

This thread is bizarre. Don't you remember how much the SAT sucked? Don't you remember being miserable on a Saturday morning as you had to take the damn thing? Feeling like no matter how good a student you were, Monday-Friday, how you did on this one thing was more important?

Thank goodness that isn't the case anymore.

Oh no! On one Saturday morning? Awful. Thank goodness that our "elite" scholars will never, ever have to be miserable on a Saturday morning, ever again. After graduating from their Ivy, they will go on to only feel how good they are (Monday-Friday, of course!) and never do anything that "sucks."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid who was a NMS, had 35 ACT, countless APs and extremely high GPA, three sport athlete and involved in leadership activities got rejected by almost every Ivy League (she didn’t apply to one - rejected by the rest).

Very jaded here.

It isn't her. I know you know that but you need to keep repeating it. It isn't her.

We have 4 kids either graduated from or are currently attending Ivies. Each of our kids have told us the same thing: the scandal has caused all sorts of craziness with Ivy admissions. In the past 2 years our kids have seen an incredible downward trend in the quality of admitted students.

Our kids say they and their friends have noticed and commented about the poor caliber of incoming students. One of their friends is a TA as he is pursuing his PhD and he wrote the most scathing closed blog post about the quality of this year's Freshman class. I don't know if the Ivies admissions groups will be able to get back on course or not. It will be interesting to see.

Just keep repeating, PP, it isn't my daughter, it is the bad process. Hugs to your daughter that she loves where she ends up choosing and knowing that they wanted her for her.

All your anecdotes, while lovely, do not = data. If the data shows a substantive drop of class quality, they will change the policies.

Unlikely. Far more likely is that anyone who points it out will be fired.

Now you are just being petulant. No reason to continue a dialog with that.

Particularly when you have no response on the merits.

Lol, what the heck about your post warrants a meritorious response? OK, if you insist, I will respond exactly in kind: “no they won’t”.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I love how she swears in the video, Real quality catch you picked there Cornell.

You know your kid probably swears, just not in front of you, right?

This thread is bizarre. Don't you remember how much the SAT sucked? Don't you remember being miserable on a Saturday morning as you had to take the damn thing? Feeling like no matter how good a student you were, Monday-Friday, how you did on this one thing was more important?

Thank goodness that isn't the case anymore.

Oh no! On one Saturday morning? Awful. Thank goodness that our "elite" scholars will never, ever have to be miserable on a Saturday morning, ever again. After graduating from their Ivy, they will go on to only feel how good they are (Monday-Friday, of course!) and never do anything that "sucks."

Miserable on a Saturday morning? I remember feeling lucky that I had a chance to prove that I was more qualified than all the legacies, rich kids, recruited athletes, and faculty children at my fancy prep school. Not all of us are too dumb to get a good score.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cornell is the community college of the Ivy League.

+1. Cornell should be ranked below 30 by US news.