Test optional sucks and Cornell is not elite

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid who was a NMS, had 35 ACT, countless APs and extremely high GPA, three sport athlete and involved in leadership activities got rejected by almost every Ivy League (she didn’t apply to one - rejected by the rest).

Very jaded here.

It isn't her. I know you know that but you need to keep repeating it. It isn't her.

We have 4 kids either graduated from or are currently attending Ivies. Each of our kids have told us the same thing: the scandal has caused all sorts of craziness with Ivy admissions. In the past 2 years our kids have seen an incredible downward trend in the quality of admitted students.

Our kids say they and their friends have noticed and commented about the poor caliber of incoming students. One of their friends is a TA as he is pursuing his PhD and he wrote the most scathing closed blog post about the quality of this year's Freshman class. I don't know if the Ivies admissions groups will be able to get back on course or not. It will be interesting to see.

Just keep repeating, PP, it isn't my daughter, it is the bad process. Hugs to your daughter that she loves where she ends up choosing and knowing that they wanted her for her.

To first pp, jaded really?

To pp, what utter BS. I’m sure none of these low caliber are wealthy white students. Check your privilege or send them to a state school where all the top kids are going since they can’t get into an ivy.

Huh.

Three of our four kids referred to above are black. If you don't believe me then you can ask the Steeles. They don't know us and we always post anonymously; however, they likely will tell you that my husband and I consistently post the same information about our family...so we're probably legit.

But you just keep on keeping on with your racist and bigoted self.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid who was a NMS, had 35 ACT, countless APs and extremely high GPA, three sport athlete and involved in leadership activities got rejected by almost every Ivy League (she didn’t apply to one - rejected by the rest).

Very jaded here.

The DCUM 'tards will tell you that she did not do the right ECs, you should give others (like the girl in the OP) a chance, and you should be happy with her outcomes.. I've seen other posts where they refer to the american uni selection process as "american exceptionalism"!?! Euphemism-much?

Hope your DC thrives wherever they choose to go.

I don't like "what you did wrong" posts as they are not helpful, and this kid sounds amazing, and I am sure she is and will thrive where she goes... And I offer this for the future prospective applicants only:

Many college counselors will tell you if you are applying to 7 Ivies you can't possibly make a case in your application that you are perfect for any one of them. Are they right? I don't know, but with so many super applicants even the tiniest weakness can cost you all of it.

If you are hellbent on "any ivy", pick one of the ones that has ED, and work hard to make sure that college knows you are a perfect fit for them and why.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid who was a NMS, had 35 ACT, countless APs and extremely high GPA, three sport athlete and involved in leadership activities got rejected by almost every Ivy League (she didn’t apply to one - rejected by the rest).

Very jaded here.

seriously you kid doesn't stand out, you tried to play the AP game and you lost. There is a new game in town and it's called being unique.

There are a ton of successful Ivy grads that had low SAT/ACT test scores. Good grades does not = success at that level.

National awards, leading movement, being the top 1% of a sport/art, having rich/influential parents... those are things that point to success... not being a good little girl/boy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid who was a NMS, had 35 ACT, countless APs and extremely high GPA, three sport athlete and involved in leadership activities got rejected by almost every Ivy League (she didn’t apply to one - rejected by the rest).

Very jaded here.

It isn't her. I know you know that but you need to keep repeating it. It isn't her.

We have 4 kids either graduated from or are currently attending Ivies. Each of our kids have told us the same thing: the scandal has caused all sorts of craziness with Ivy admissions. In the past 2 years our kids have seen an incredible downward trend in the quality of admitted students.

Our kids say they and their friends have noticed and commented about the poor caliber of incoming students. One of their friends is a TA as he is pursuing his PhD and he wrote the most scathing closed blog post about the quality of this year's Freshman class. I don't know if the Ivies admissions groups will be able to get back on course or not. It will be interesting to see.

Just keep repeating, PP, it isn't my daughter, it is the bad process. Hugs to your daughter that she loves where she ends up choosing and knowing that they wanted her for her.

All your anecdotes, while lovely, do not = data. If the data shows a substantive drop of class quality, they will change the policies.

Unlikely. Far more likely is that anyone who points it out will be fired.

[Anonymous]

So basically mediocre students can get into Ivies but exceptional hard working students cannot. Hmm.. makes so much sense

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid who was a NMS, had 35 ACT, countless APs and extremely high GPA, three sport athlete and involved in leadership activities got rejected by almost every Ivy League (she didn’t apply to one - rejected by the rest).

Very jaded here.

It isn't her. I know you know that but you need to keep repeating it. It isn't her.

We have 4 kids either graduated from or are currently attending Ivies. Each of our kids have told us the same thing: the scandal has caused all sorts of craziness with Ivy admissions. In the past 2 years our kids have seen an incredible downward trend in the quality of admitted students.

Our kids say they and their friends have noticed and commented about the poor caliber of incoming students. One of their friends is a TA as he is pursuing his PhD and he wrote the most scathing closed blog post about the quality of this year's Freshman class. I don't know if the Ivies admissions groups will be able to get back on course or not. It will be interesting to see.

Just keep repeating, PP, it isn't my daughter, it is the bad process. Hugs to your daughter that she loves where she ends up choosing and knowing that they wanted her for her.

To first pp, jaded really?

To pp, what utter BS. I’m sure none of these low caliber are wealthy white students. Check your privilege or send them to a state school where all the top kids are going since they can’t get into an ivy.

Huh.

Three of our four kids referred to above are black. If you don't believe me then you can ask the Steeles. They don't know us and we always post anonymously; however, they likely will tell you that my husband and I consistently post the same information about our family...so we're probably legit.

But you just keep on keeping on with your racist and bigoted self.

Your kids sound like idiots... "in 2 years there is a downward trend in admits" WTF even is that. Did they do a study? Are they just talking to kids in the Starbucks? Are they doing a cross comparison in all Ivy's and drawing data from the 80's/90's....

You just sound dumb AF, did you adopt because you don't sound like you could break a 3.0 in HS.

[Anonymous]

I’m racist and bigoted for calling you out, when white high HHI folks spend day in and out on these boards complaining about first gen and affirmation action — okay. I could throw a dart with that statement and hit a white person 99% of the time. I’m sure jaded is wealthy and white. But, whatevs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So basically mediocre students can get into Ivies but exceptional hard working students cannot. Hmm.. makes so much sense

only if those mediocre students are first gen students, the right kind of minority, athletes, or have parents who write very large checks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So basically mediocre students can get into Ivies but exceptional hard working students cannot. Hmm.. makes so much sense

No. Great people get into ivy's ... boring, only get good grades kids don't.

It's no different than before, it's just you bought the AP/SAT snake oil drank it and it made you sick.. you were duped, it was never about AP/SAT scores.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So basically mediocre students can get into Ivies but exceptional hard working students cannot. Hmm.. makes so much sense

only if those mediocre students are first gen students, the right kind of minority, athletes, or have parents who write very large checks

or lead national movements, perform in the top 1% of the nation at something, are self made.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically mediocre students can get into Ivies but exceptional hard working students cannot. Hmm.. makes so much sense

only if those mediocre students are first gen students, the right kind of minority, athletes, or have parents who write very large checks

or lead national movements, perform in the top 1% of the nation at something, are self made.

that probably accounts for a dozen kids a year, if that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But they’re continuing test optional for future years.

Ridiculous. As it is, the top student applicants are essentially lottery.

Maybe the colleges are just happy taking anyone’s money. What a scam.

[Anonymous]

My gosh, people! There are a limited number of spots! There are a lot of applicants with similar credentials, and schools aren't strictly looking at stats and numbers. Not everyone can be admitted. That's it. You apply to a broad spectrum and see what happens.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMe57FM2M/
Into Cornell with an 1130.

This is my family's school. Just remember Cornell will sometimes take a chance or someone knowing that they may or may not make it. So, the trick will be to stay in Cornell .

There is a reason why other countries are pulling ahead of us academically—they base admittance to top colleges on actual results. Tests. Performance. That is ridiculous this girl with 1130 SATs (and you can see 1040 PSATs) gets accepted to one of the most elite schools in the world. I know so many kids getting into no top schools with close to perfect test scores. Keeping test optional is bs. Every kid applying for Fall 2022 can take either test they want before Fall applications. There is zero cancelation for SATs coming up. Our country has really gone nuts. No problem with a college discounting a wealthy private school kid’s SAT 50 points but doesn’t this video show we have gone crazy???

+1
I predict “holistic admissions” will backfire in a few years.

My concern is that where will it stop. Test scores are basic math and reading. Will college professors have to start boosting grades? Will colleges have to tutor all these students through? Will the MCAT become test optional because that would be scary.

+1. It is the everyone gets s trophy mentality and that's not how I want my surgeon educated...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid who was a NMS, had 35 ACT, countless APs and extremely high GPA, three sport athlete and involved in leadership activities got rejected by almost every Ivy League (she didn’t apply to one - rejected by the rest).

Very jaded here.

It isn't her. I know you know that but you need to keep repeating it. It isn't her.

We have 4 kids either graduated from or are currently attending Ivies. Each of our kids have told us the same thing: the scandal has caused all sorts of craziness with Ivy admissions. In the past 2 years our kids have seen an incredible downward trend in the quality of admitted students.

Our kids say they and their friends have noticed and commented about the poor caliber of incoming students. One of their friends is a TA as he is pursuing his PhD and he wrote the most scathing closed blog post about the quality of this year's Freshman class. I don't know if the Ivies admissions groups will be able to get back on course or not. It will be interesting to see.

Just keep repeating, PP, it isn't my daughter, it is the bad process. Hugs to your daughter that she loves where she ends up choosing and knowing that they wanted her for her.

All your anecdotes, while lovely, do not = data. If the data shows a substantive drop of class quality, they will change the policies.

Unlikely. Far more likely is that anyone who points it out will be fired.

Now you are just being petulant. No reason to continue a dialog with that.