Test optional sucks and Cornell is not elite

[Anonymous]

My 1590 kid/3.96 unweighted gpa was waitlisted last year...definitely a community college level school...sure

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I predict “holistic admissions” will backfire in a few years.

Really? Why? It's been around a long time you know. Seems to be working fine for the colleges that choose it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I predict “holistic admissions” will backfire in a few years.

Really? Why? It's been around a long time you know. Seems to be working fine for the colleges that choose it.

test scores were part of it, maybe there were ignored in a case or two, but you weren't getting into an Ivy League school with a 1050 SAT. Now that they're gone, I think you're going to have more kids struggling with the college course load. You can get good grades and do a ton of great volunteer work and still be wholly unprepared for college. The tests gave schools an indication this, but without them, you'll have kids showing up to Ivy League schools needing remedial classes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I predict “holistic admissions” will backfire in a few years.

Really? Why? It's been around a long time you know. Seems to be working fine for the colleges that choose it.

test scores were part of it, maybe there were ignored in a case or two, but you weren't getting into an Ivy League school with a 1050 SAT. Now that they're gone, I think you're going to have more kids struggling with the college course load. You can get good grades and do a ton of great volunteer work and still be wholly unprepared for college. The tests gave schools an indication this, but without them, you'll have kids showing up to Ivy League schools needing remedial classes

But you didn't say "test optional". You said "holistic admissions", and you put it in quotes. Please clarify if you really meant "test optional".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I predict “holistic admissions” will backfire in a few years.

Really? Why? It's been around a long time you know. Seems to be working fine for the colleges that choose it.

test scores were part of it, maybe there were ignored in a case or two, but you weren't getting into an Ivy League school with a 1050 SAT. Now that they're gone, I think you're going to have more kids struggling with the college course load. You can get good grades and do a ton of great volunteer work and still be wholly unprepared for college. The tests gave schools an indication this, but without them, you'll have kids showing up to Ivy League schools needing remedial classes

But you didn't say "test optional". You said "holistic admissions", and you put it in quotes. Please clarify if you really meant "test optional".

The best part of this board is when someone thinks they are responding to a single person

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I predict “holistic admissions” will backfire in a few years.

Really? Why? It's been around a long time you know. Seems to be working fine for the colleges that choose it.

test scores were part of it, maybe there were ignored in a case or two, but you weren't getting into an Ivy League school with a 1050 SAT. Now that they're gone, I think you're going to have more kids struggling with the college course load. You can get good grades and do a ton of great volunteer work and still be wholly unprepared for college. The tests gave schools an indication this, but without them, you'll have kids showing up to Ivy League schools needing remedial classes

But you didn't say "test optional". You said "holistic admissions", and you put it in quotes. Please clarify if you really meant "test optional".

previously test scores were available to inform holistic decisions. Scores alone wouldn't get you in, but you'd be naive to think that they wouldn't disqualify a kid. Now, that's gone and there are will be far more unqualified and unprepared kids showing up in the fall

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I predict “holistic admissions” will backfire in a few years.

Really? Why? It's been around a long time you know. Seems to be working fine for the colleges that choose it.

test scores were part of it, maybe there were ignored in a case or two, but you weren't getting into an Ivy League school with a 1050 SAT. Now that they're gone, I think you're going to have more kids struggling with the college course load. You can get good grades and do a ton of great volunteer work and still be wholly unprepared for college. The tests gave schools an indication this, but without them, you'll have kids showing up to Ivy League schools needing remedial classes

But you didn't say "test optional". You said "holistic admissions", and you put it in quotes. Please clarify if you really meant "test optional".

previously test scores were available to inform holistic decisions. Scores alone wouldn't get you in, but you'd be naive to think that they wouldn't disqualify a kid. Now, that's gone and there are will be far more unqualified and unprepared kids showing up in the fall

So, to be clear -- and I have to make this assumption because you did not explicitly answer the question - you DO mean "test optional", and not holistic admissions per se.

Fair enough. Time and data will tell if you are correct. Others believe adcoms know what they are doing and that the colleges will pick the path that helps them build the best class. Obviously they all felt COVID would prohibit their ability to select the class they wanted this year. They'll go back to requiring them if they determine they are necessary. Up to them and they will act in their own interests, as they should.

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I predict “holistic admissions” will backfire in a few years.

Really? Why? It's been around a long time you know. Seems to be working fine for the colleges that choose it.

test scores were part of it, maybe there were ignored in a case or two, but you weren't getting into an Ivy League school with a 1050 SAT. Now that they're gone, I think you're going to have more kids struggling with the college course load. You can get good grades and do a ton of great volunteer work and still be wholly unprepared for college. The tests gave schools an indication this, but without them, you'll have kids showing up to Ivy League schools needing remedial classes

I am the person the pp was responding too. I agree with this response. I also think grades from half of junior year were pass/fail or inconsistent.
So if you’re not going off test scores and GPAs are not all that comparable, how are you choosing students who will succeed in college classes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I predict “holistic admissions” will backfire in a few years.

Really? Why? It's been around a long time you know. Seems to be working fine for the colleges that choose it.

test scores were part of it, maybe there were ignored in a case or two, but you weren't getting into an Ivy League school with a 1050 SAT. Now that they're gone, I think you're going to have more kids struggling with the college course load. You can get good grades and do a ton of great volunteer work and still be wholly unprepared for college. The tests gave schools an indication this, but without them, you'll have kids showing up to Ivy League schools needing remedial classes

But you didn't say "test optional". You said "holistic admissions", and you put it in quotes. Please clarify if you really meant "test optional".

previously test scores were available to inform holistic decisions. Scores alone wouldn't get you in, but you'd be naive to think that they wouldn't disqualify a kid. Now, that's gone and there are will be far more unqualified and unprepared kids showing up in the fall

So, to be clear -- and I have to make this assumption because you did not explicitly answer the question - you DO mean "test optional", and not holistic admissions per se.

Fair enough. Time and data will tell if you are correct. Others believe adcoms know what they are doing and that the colleges will pick the path that helps them build the best class. Obviously they all felt COVID would prohibit their ability to select the class they wanted this year. They'll go back to requiring them if they determine they are necessary. Up to them and they will act in their own interests, as they should.

You are responding to different people. I mean holistic admission and not test optional. You are free to disagree.

[Anonymous]

It's really easy to doctor stuff like that. I don't believe it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I predict “holistic admissions” will backfire in a few years.

Really? Why? It's been around a long time you know. Seems to be working fine for the colleges that choose it.

test scores were part of it, maybe there were ignored in a case or two, but you weren't getting into an Ivy League school with a 1050 SAT. Now that they're gone, I think you're going to have more kids struggling with the college course load. You can get good grades and do a ton of great volunteer work and still be wholly unprepared for college. The tests gave schools an indication this, but without them, you'll have kids showing up to Ivy League schools needing remedial classes

I am the person the pp was responding too. I agree with this response. I also think grades from half of junior year were pass/fail or inconsistent.
So if you’re not going off test scores and GPAs are not all that comparable, how are you choosing students who will succeed in college classes?

All th eoher parts of the application which have alway been present and considered. And what exactly did you want all the ivies and every other college to do? Just carry on as if we are not in the middle of a pandemic?

[Anonymous]

But they’re continuing test optional for future years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I predict “holistic admissions” will backfire in a few years.

Really? Why? It's been around a long time you know. Seems to be working fine for the colleges that choose it.

test scores were part of it, maybe there were ignored in a case or two, but you weren't getting into an Ivy League school with a 1050 SAT. Now that they're gone, I think you're going to have more kids struggling with the college course load. You can get good grades and do a ton of great volunteer work and still be wholly unprepared for college. The tests gave schools an indication this, but without them, you'll have kids showing up to Ivy League schools needing remedial classes

But you didn't say "test optional". You said "holistic admissions", and you put it in quotes. Please clarify if you really meant "test optional".

previously test scores were available to inform holistic decisions. Scores alone wouldn't get you in, but you'd be naive to think that they wouldn't disqualify a kid. Now, that's gone and there are will be far more unqualified and unprepared kids showing up in the fall

So, to be clear -- and I have to make this assumption because you did not explicitly answer the question - you DO mean "test optional", and not holistic admissions per se.

Fair enough. Time and data will tell if you are correct. Others believe adcoms know what they are doing and that the colleges will pick the path that helps them build the best class. Obviously they all felt COVID would prohibit their ability to select the class they wanted this year. They'll go back to requiring them if they determine they are necessary. Up to them and they will act in their own interests, as they should.

You are responding to different people. I mean holistic admission and not test optional. You are free to disagree.

OK sorry, DP did not indicate he was a DP and answered the question I asked you. So now I will explicitly ask you:

Why? Holistic admissions has been around a long time and seems to be working well for the colleges that use it. Why will it suddenly “backfire in a few years”? Seriously asking what makes you think that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I predict “holistic admissions” will backfire in a few years.

Really? Why? It's been around a long time you know. Seems to be working fine for the colleges that choose it.

test scores were part of it, maybe there were ignored in a case or two, but you weren't getting into an Ivy League school with a 1050 SAT. Now that they're gone, I think you're going to have more kids struggling with the college course load. You can get good grades and do a ton of great volunteer work and still be wholly unprepared for college. The tests gave schools an indication this, but without them, you'll have kids showing up to Ivy League schools needing remedial classes

I am the person the pp was responding too. I agree with this response. I also think grades from half of junior year were pass/fail or inconsistent.
So if you’re not going off test scores and GPAs are not all that comparable, how are you choosing students who will succeed in college classes?

All th eoher parts of the application which have alway been present and considered. And what exactly did you want all the ivies and every other college to do? Just carry on as if we are not in the middle of a pandemic?

Florida colleges didn’t waive tests. Everybody was able to make it happen if they needed to.
This was an easy way to put more emphasis on diversity and first gen students.