Family of six killed by depressed and suicidal 19-year-old

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:gun control. gun control. gun control.

good luck with that. What reform would have prevented this?

High cost insurance requirement gun ownership.

This is also a good idea.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:gun control. gun control. gun control.

good luck with that. What reform would have prevented this?

He mentioned in his note that the gun shop owner asked his brother if he had any 'mental health issues'. The brother lied. The gun was handed over.

How about we start with that?

National database accessible by firearms sellers and updated by medical service providers with a simple read-out - you put your driver's license or ID under the scanner, you get DENIED if you're on certain prescriptions or restrictions.

And don't tell me they can't do it. I went into my local alcohol store and when carded - they had me swipe it under a non-tactile scanner.

so you want to create a national registry of anyone who has ever had mental health issues? I'm sure there will be no objections at all to that

I mean...the majority of our homeless have mental health issues, almost all of our mass shooters have had documented mental health issues (Columbine, Sandy Hook, Majory Stoneman Douglass), and most of the recent assaults against Asian americans has been by perpetrators with mental health issues.

IDK maybe we should just keep ignoring this subset of society and letting them have all the guns they want though.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4318286/

The population of people with "mental health issues" who do not commit violence is so much larger than the population that does that a registry created this way would be garbage data.

Military disqualifies based on a bunch of mental health disorders. Should be the same for gun ownership.

[Anonymous]

If you have a depressed family member, PLEASE get all guns out of your home.

I realize that these boys got the gun on their own...but it is a reminder that families can try to keep weapons out of their loved one's hands (though of course, US society needs to do much more as well, in this regard).

Voting for democrats is a start people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:gun control. gun control. gun control.

good luck with that. What reform would have prevented this?

He mentioned in his note that the gun shop owner asked his brother if he had any 'mental health issues'. The brother lied. The gun was handed over.

How about we start with that?

National database accessible by firearms sellers and updated by medical service providers with a simple read-out - you put your driver's license or ID under the scanner, you get DENIED if you're on certain prescriptions or restrictions.

And don't tell me they can't do it. I went into my local alcohol store and when carded - they had me swipe it under a non-tactile scanner.

so you want to create a national registry of anyone who has ever had mental health issues? I'm sure there will be no objections at all to that

I mean...the majority of our homeless have mental health issues, almost all of our mass shooters have had documented mental health issues (Columbine, Sandy Hook, Majory Stoneman Douglass), and most of the recent assaults against Asian americans has been by perpetrators with mental health issues.

IDK maybe we should just keep ignoring this subset of society and letting them have all the guns they want though.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4318286/

The population of people with "mental health issues" who do not commit violence is so much larger than the population that does that a registry created this way would be garbage data.

Military disqualifies based on a bunch of mental health disorders. Should be the same for gun ownership.

How about driving a car? And voting? And being allowed to have a credit card?

It's a slippery slope and there's no real reason to have such a large population of people on it when the actual predictors of violence are so much more fine-grained than "was the person diagnosed with a mental illness or not?".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Guns made them less safe not more safe.

It's not the gun or knife, it's mental illness or pure evil. They simply find another weapon, or way to kill them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you have a depressed family member, PLEASE get all guns out of your home.

I realize that these boys got the gun on their own...but it is a reminder that families can try to keep weapons out of their loved one's hands (though of course, US society needs to do much more as well, in this regard).

Voting for democrats is a start people.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you have a depressed family member, PLEASE get all guns out of your home.

I realize that these boys got the gun on their own...but it is a reminder that families can try to keep weapons out of their loved one's hands (though of course, US society needs to do much more as well, in this regard).

Voting for democrats is a start people.

.....and the knives, hammers, poison, crow bar, brick, fire poker, and for heavens sake pad the stairs!!! Oh and make sure there's no gas in the car so they can't run you over!

[Anonymous]

This just supports my argument of no guns, for anyone, ever. With all of the weapons mentioned above by PP, the victims would have had a fighting chance to defend themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:gun control. gun control. gun control.

good luck with that. What reform would have prevented this?

He mentioned in his note that the gun shop owner asked his brother if he had any 'mental health issues'. The brother lied. The gun was handed over.

How about we start with that?

National database accessible by firearms sellers and updated by medical service providers with a simple read-out - you put your driver's license or ID under the scanner, you get DENIED if you're on certain prescriptions or restrictions.

And don't tell me they can't do it. I went into my local alcohol store and when carded - they had me swipe it under a non-tactile scanner.

so you want to create a national registry of anyone who has ever had mental health issues? I'm sure there will be no objections at all to that

I mean...the majority of our homeless have mental health issues, almost all of our mass shooters have had documented mental health issues (Columbine, Sandy Hook, Majory Stoneman Douglass), and most of the recent assaults against Asian americans has been by perpetrators with mental health issues.

IDK maybe we should just keep ignoring this subset of society and letting them have all the guns they want though.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4318286/

The population of people with "mental health issues" who do not commit violence is so much larger than the population that does that a registry created this way would be garbage data.

Military disqualifies based on a bunch of mental health disorders. Should be the same for gun ownership.

The strangest thing about America. Hell no, you can't fire military grade weapons for us and kill foreign enemies. Hells yes, you can own your own version of the military grade weapons with no training.


https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/shootings/guns-used-in-las-vegas-shooting-caught-in-legal-limbo-1622164/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:gun control. gun control. gun control.

good luck with that. What reform would have prevented this?

2 year wait to buy, mandatory classes and health screens.

somehow I don't see this supreme court doing anything other than laughing at that idea (assuming you could convince state legislatures to pass it)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:gun control. gun control. gun control.

good luck with that. What reform would have prevented this?

He mentioned in his note that the gun shop owner asked his brother if he had any 'mental health issues'. The brother lied. The gun was handed over.

How about we start with that?

National database accessible by firearms sellers and updated by medical service providers with a simple read-out - you put your driver's license or ID under the scanner, you get DENIED if you're on certain prescriptions or restrictions.

And don't tell me they can't do it. I went into my local alcohol store and when carded - they had me swipe it under a non-tactile scanner.

so you want to create a national registry of anyone who has ever had mental health issues? I'm sure there will be no objections at all to that

I mean...the majority of our homeless have mental health issues, almost all of our mass shooters have had documented mental health issues (Columbine, Sandy Hook, Majory Stoneman Douglass), and most of the recent assaults against Asian americans has been by perpetrators with mental health issues.

IDK maybe we should just keep ignoring this subset of society and letting them have all the guns they want though.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4318286/

The population of people with "mental health issues" who do not commit violence is so much larger than the population that does that a registry created this way would be garbage data.

Military disqualifies based on a bunch of mental health disorders. Should be the same for gun ownership.

How about driving a car? And voting? And being allowed to have a credit card?

It's a slippery slope and there's no real reason to have such a large population of people on it when the actual predictors of violence are so much more fine-grained than "was the person diagnosed with a mental illness or not?".

Well, military does it, so we are on the slippery slope already.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:gun control. gun control. gun control.

good luck with that. What reform would have prevented this?

2 year wait to buy, mandatory classes and health screens.

somehow I don't see this supreme court doing anything other than laughing at that idea (assuming you could convince state legislatures to pass it)

Right, it will never happen - because of the gun lobby and the gun culture in this country. Not because it's a bad idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you have a depressed family member, PLEASE get all guns out of your home.

I realize that these boys got the gun on their own...but it is a reminder that families can try to keep weapons out of their loved one's hands (though of course, US society needs to do much more as well, in this regard).

Voting for democrats is a start people.

.....and the knives, hammers, poison, crow bar, brick, fire poker, and for heavens sake pad the stairs!!! Oh and make sure there's no gas in the car so they can't run you over!

Before the invention of rapid-reload guns it took actual militias and armies to kill with the same level of destruction as one person with one assault rifle can do today.

The Mandalay Bay shooter mowed down over 800 people. That is just not possible with a knife, hammer, poison, crow bar, brick, fire poker, a car, or stairs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Guns made them less safe not more safe.

It's not the gun or knife, it's mental illness or pure evil. They simply find another weapon, or way to kill them.

No way they manage to kill their entire family with a knife. Without anyone escaping or disarming him. Please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you have a depressed family member, PLEASE get all guns out of your home.

I realize that these boys got the gun on their own...but it is a reminder that families can try to keep weapons out of their loved one's hands (though of course, US society needs to do much more as well, in this regard).

Voting for democrats is a start people.

.....and the knives, hammers, poison, crow bar, brick, fire poker, and for heavens sake pad the stairs!!! Oh and make sure there's no gas in the car so they can't run you over!

Before the invention of rapid-reload guns it took actual militias and armies to kill with the same level of destruction as one person with one assault rifle can do today.

The Mandalay Bay shooter mowed down over 800 people. That is just not possible with a knife, hammer, poison, crow bar, brick, fire poker, a car, or stairs.

Besides, all the objects you listed have a different primary purpose. Weapons are made to kill. No other purpose, no other use.