Family of six killed by depressed and suicidal 19-year-old

[Anonymous]

The 19-year-old son created a suicide pact with his twin brother and killed his parents, sister and grandmother on Monday morning with a household gun. Horrifying.



https://www.dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/04/05/allen-murder-suicide-pact-social-media/

[Anonymous]

Farhan writes that the plan he and his brother hatched was simple: 'We get two guns. I take one and shoot my sister and grandma, while my brother kills our parents with the other. Then we take ourselves out.'

He notes that because 'gun control in the US is a joke,' all it took for his brother to get the firearms was to go to a store and sign some forms.

'There was a question asking if he had any mental illnesses but—get this—he lied,' Farhan writes.

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/04/05/allen-murder-suicide-pact-social-media/

[Anonymous]

Guns made them less safe not more safe.

[Anonymous]

Just a note that the 19-year-old created the suicide pact but it was the older brother - the 21-year-old.

The 19-year-old was twins with the girl who died.

[Anonymous]

This is a terrible, sad story and I feel awful for everyone involved, especially their surviving family who must be in such turmoil right now. My heart goes out to them.

Gun control IS a joke.

The thread title makes it sound like depression/suicidal ideation caused this awful event and that's not accurate at all. There is already so much stigma around mental illness, I feel like I must note: depression doesn't make you kill people. And the greatest threat of suicidal ideation is to the person who has it. There are lots of things happening in this story and likely we still don't know what sequence of events led to this terrible outcome. But it wasn't "depression". Please do not further stigmatize people with depression, who already struggle so much and need love, support, and understanding. Not unfounded fear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a terrible, sad story and I feel awful for everyone involved, especially their surviving family who must be in such turmoil right now. My heart goes out to them.

Gun control IS a joke.

The thread title makes it sound like depression/suicidal ideation caused this awful event and that's not accurate at all. There is already so much stigma around mental illness, I feel like I must note: depression doesn't make you kill people. And the greatest threat of suicidal ideation is to the person who has it. There are lots of things happening in this story and likely we still don't know what sequence of events led to this terrible outcome. But it wasn't "depression". Please do not further stigmatize people with depression, who already struggle so much and need love, support, and understanding. Not unfounded fear.

Thank you. This is important. There is more going on here than depression.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a terrible, sad story and I feel awful for everyone involved, especially their surviving family who must be in such turmoil right now. My heart goes out to them.

Gun control IS a joke.

The thread title makes it sound like depression/suicidal ideation caused this awful event and that's not accurate at all. There is already so much stigma around mental illness, I feel like I must note: depression doesn't make you kill people. And the greatest threat of suicidal ideation is to the person who has it. There are lots of things happening in this story and likely we still don't know what sequence of events led to this terrible outcome. But it wasn't "depression". Please do not further stigmatize people with depression, who already struggle so much and need love, support, and understanding. Not unfounded fear.

Thank you. This is important. There is more going on here than depression.

Did you read his suicide note? What else would you call it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a terrible, sad story and I feel awful for everyone involved, especially their surviving family who must be in such turmoil right now. My heart goes out to them.

Gun control IS a joke.

The thread title makes it sound like depression/suicidal ideation caused this awful event and that's not accurate at all. There is already so much stigma around mental illness, I feel like I must note: depression doesn't make you kill people. And the greatest threat of suicidal ideation is to the person who has it. There are lots of things happening in this story and likely we still don't know what sequence of events led to this terrible outcome. But it wasn't "depression". Please do not further stigmatize people with depression, who already struggle so much and need love, support, and understanding. Not unfounded fear.

Thank you. This is important. There is more going on here than depression.

Did you read his suicide note? What else would you call it?

A raging personality disorder

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a terrible, sad story and I feel awful for everyone involved, especially their surviving family who must be in such turmoil right now. My heart goes out to them.

Gun control IS a joke.

The thread title makes it sound like depression/suicidal ideation caused this awful event and that's not accurate at all. There is already so much stigma around mental illness, I feel like I must note: depression doesn't make you kill people. And the greatest threat of suicidal ideation is to the person who has it. There are lots of things happening in this story and likely we still don't know what sequence of events led to this terrible outcome. But it wasn't "depression". Please do not further stigmatize people with depression, who already struggle so much and need love, support, and understanding. Not unfounded fear.

I understand what you’re trying to do here, but it’s misguided. Please understand that I comment from the position of someone who has suffered mental illness for 40+ years. And someone who has spent more than half that time working in the criminal justice system with adults and juveniles and who has read voluminously in the research on the links between mental illness and violent crime.

It’s both naive and wrong to state that there isn’t a correlation between the two, and in many cases causation. It doesn’t help mentally ill people to deny that reality. The stigma of mental illness in our society is awful, but pretending the horrors of mental illness don’t exist does nothing to tear down that stigma. It creates a cognitive dissonance that people will recoil from.

And the fact is - something we should all be able to grasp with little struggle - many policy makers are far from altruistic and won’t be convinced to finance and back expanded mental health resources on the basis that it will help some people who suffer mental illness. Sell it as a means to reduce violent crime and you’ve got a much easier sale.

Mentally ill people experiencing unstable illness (untreated) kill themselves, kill their children, kill their parents, kill strangers, commit violence assaults, etc. The rate at which this happens varies depending on the research you look at, but the fact that it happens and is not by any means anomalous is undisputed among the professionals who study this issue and treat the afflicted. It doesn’t help anyone to pretend this isn’t so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a terrible, sad story and I feel awful for everyone involved, especially their surviving family who must be in such turmoil right now. My heart goes out to them.

Gun control IS a joke.

The thread title makes it sound like depression/suicidal ideation caused this awful event and that's not accurate at all. There is already so much stigma around mental illness, I feel like I must note: depression doesn't make you kill people. And the greatest threat of suicidal ideation is to the person who has it. There are lots of things happening in this story and likely we still don't know what sequence of events led to this terrible outcome. But it wasn't "depression". Please do not further stigmatize people with depression, who already struggle so much and need love, support, and understanding. Not unfounded fear.

I understand what you’re trying to do here, but it’s misguided. Please understand that I comment from the position of someone who has suffered mental illness for 40+ years. And someone who has spent more than half that time working in the criminal justice system with adults and juveniles and who has read voluminously in the research on the links between mental illness and violent crime.

It’s both naive and wrong to state that there isn’t a correlation between the two, and in many cases causation. It doesn’t help mentally ill people to deny that reality. The stigma of mental illness in our society is awful, but pretending the horrors of mental illness don’t exist does nothing to tear down that stigma. It creates a cognitive dissonance that people will recoil from.

And the fact is - something we should all be able to grasp with little struggle - many policy makers are far from altruistic and won’t be convinced to finance and back expanded mental health resources on the basis that it will help some people who suffer mental illness. Sell it as a means to reduce violent crime and you’ve got a much easier sale.

Mentally ill people experiencing unstable illness (untreated) kill themselves, kill their children, kill their parents, kill strangers, commit violence assaults, etc. The rate at which this happens varies depending on the research you look at, but the fact that it happens and is not by any means anomalous is undisputed among the professionals who study this issue and treat the afflicted. It doesn’t help anyone to pretend this isn’t so.

Personality disorders are mental illness. Also, there’s every indication he was receiving treatment. Pretending as though depression explains a mass murder event is harmful to those suffering from depression.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a terrible, sad story and I feel awful for everyone involved, especially their surviving family who must be in such turmoil right now. My heart goes out to them.

Gun control IS a joke.

The thread title makes it sound like depression/suicidal ideation caused this awful event and that's not accurate at all. There is already so much stigma around mental illness, I feel like I must note: depression doesn't make you kill people. And the greatest threat of suicidal ideation is to the person who has it. There are lots of things happening in this story and likely we still don't know what sequence of events led to this terrible outcome. But it wasn't "depression". Please do not further stigmatize people with depression, who already struggle so much and need love, support, and understanding. Not unfounded fear.

Thank you. This is important. There is more going on here than depression.

Did you read his suicide note? What else would you call it?

A raging personality disorder

Yup. Not depression. A personality disorder. I know he was young but damn do I feel rage reading that note excerpt. Those young men robbed their parents, sister and grandmother of everything.

[Anonymous]

In America the line between suicidal ideation and shooting sprees seems much thinner than everywhere else, for some reason...

[Anonymous]

Or, perhaps you are only aware of garden variety depression and unaware that 20% of people with depression suffer from psychosis. It’s well established. I encourage you to do some research and reading - there are lots of reputable sources readily searchable online.

And yes, psychosis leads to violent behavior in some patients. Including a delusional belief that killing your whole family is better than just killing yourself because leaving them to suffer would be worse than killing them and taking them with you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a terrible, sad story and I feel awful for everyone involved, especially their surviving family who must be in such turmoil right now. My heart goes out to them.

Gun control IS a joke.

The thread title makes it sound like depression/suicidal ideation caused this awful event and that's not accurate at all. There is already so much stigma around mental illness, I feel like I must note: depression doesn't make you kill people. And the greatest threat of suicidal ideation is to the person who has it. There are lots of things happening in this story and likely we still don't know what sequence of events led to this terrible outcome. But it wasn't "depression". Please do not further stigmatize people with depression, who already struggle so much and need love, support, and understanding. Not unfounded fear.

Thank you. This is important. There is more going on here than depression.

Did you read his suicide note? What else would you call it?

A raging personality disorder

Yup. Not depression. A personality disorder. I know he was young but damn do I feel rage reading that note excerpt. Those young men robbed their parents, sister and grandmother of everything.

There is nothing in that note that qualifies anyone to diagnose a personality disorder over depressive psychosis. Stop pretending you have the qualifications to make that call. I’m sorry that family annihilation scares you - it’s rational that it should - but it doesn’t give you license to diagnose someone.

[Anonymous]

The full note. This is terrifying. All of the access as a adult to guns but none of the control needed to stop himself.